From nilsf Sat May 1 00:00:37 2010 Received: (qmail 15704 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2010 22:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 22:00:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F222E180A8 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8C0E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A634CE47222 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BF6E47220 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-100-84.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.100.84]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o3UM0O3t025469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:00:26 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 08:00:19 +1000 Message-ID: <009e01cae8b0$879816a0$96c843e0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acroib4KAbwDJRjwRlSTGf4j4AEepAAJj3lA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 00:00:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb530565721076813867 > > The first Iris of the season bloomed today. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/First+Iris.jpg.html > > Oly E-1 with Leica Elmarit-R 60/2.8 Macro > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > Excellent shot Jim. Good DOF on the flower itself with a smooth background. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 00:42:31 2010 Received: (qmail 1358 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2010 22:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 22:42:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C07E1809A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E7DE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2B2E4720F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031FEE53289 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2080 invoked by uid 504); 30 Apr 2010 22:42:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 00:53:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb5f78132761234514069 My upstate New York backyard doesn't have any cane at all. There's = plenty of cane in Florida but most of it is about 150-200 miles away = from my winter place. The cane is on the south side of Lake Okeechobee. = While I've never seen a sugar beet I just learned that the US is the = 4th largest producer of sugar in the world and that 50% of that is from = sugar beets. But I can't find one in the supermarket. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Took the tuber word out of my mouth, Andrew. And you are right to prefer > "beetroot" to "beet", though I think the root reason is not the right > reason, so to speak. I have not found authoritative support for this, bu= t I > would bet a beet that "root" in "beetroot" is a corrupted reference to the > colour red, used to distinguish it from the white variety of beet, which = we > use for sugar production. I assume in Chuck's backyard there is no end of > cane for that purpose, with no need to produce white beet, and thus no > genral familiarity with any beet other than the red one, and thus no need > for the "red" qualifier. > = > I was tempted to propose that "-rot" in carrot was a corruption of "root", > but it seems that word is direct from Greek. = > = > In Danish and Norwegian, beetroot is known as r=F8dbeder/r=F8dbete - redb= eet, > while carrot is known as gulerod/gulrot - yellow roots. > = > Piers = > = > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] = > Sent: 30 April 2010 08:02 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool > = > That's because it's a tuber - a different thing altogether. > Hmmm - carrotroot - OK, you win. > However, the green tops are quite edible. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > = > = > = > On 30/04/2010, at 10:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > = >> But we >> don't call it potatoroot. :-) > = > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 00:58:11 2010 Received: (qmail 2643 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2010 22:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 22:58:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8340E1809D for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469BDE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17458E47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9383BE4720F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11552 invoked by uid 504); 30 Apr 2010 22:58:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 27/4/2010: abandoned X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 00:58:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb6083178451560218263 Oh, dear. I do hope Muriel is found soon. That's just awful for both the granddaughter and the great aunt. As to Tampa Bay you're probably more familiar with it than I am. We've only just spent our first winter there. I'm much more knowledgeable about south Florida between Palm Beach and Miami since I lived in Boca Raton for 10 years. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Just my thoughts. My granddaughter lost "Muriel" last week, a doll > knitted by a great-aunt :-(. > > Thanks for showing me the spot on Tampa Bay. I used to fly over > there twice or three times a day when I was based at MacDill: we > operated in the manoeuvring areas over the Gulf of Mexico and that > was the passage out and in. > > Chris > > On 29 Apr 2010, at 22:47, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> All I could think of when I saw it was some sad little kid. I'll >> bet it's still there but I hope it's not. There's a lot of >> territory in which to lose your puppy here: >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 01:02:54 2010 Received: (qmail 1964 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2010 23:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 23:02:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC916E18093 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5080EE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57767E47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115F9E53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so361556gwj.20 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.82.17 with SMTP id j17mr844995agl.40.1272668560563; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.69.6 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com> <6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au> <4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 09:02:40 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 01:02:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb619e258419752976205 I shouldn't expect too (find one at the supermarket). Apart from sugar production, I don't think sugarbeets generally have another culinary purpose. Cheers, Marc (close to old sugar cane fields and rusting cane-car railway lines) On Saturday, May 1, 2010, Chuck Norcutt wro= te: > My upstate New York backyard doesn't have any cane at all. =A0There's > plenty of cane in Florida but most of it is about 150-200 miles away > from my winter place. =A0The cane is on the south side of Lake Okeechobee. > =A0While I've never seen a sugar beet I just learned that the US is the > 4th largest producer of sugar in the world and that 50% of that is from > sugar beets. > > But I can't find one in the supermarket. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 01:58:21 2010 Received: (qmail 28795 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2010 23:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 23:58:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F87E18093 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903D0E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DE9E53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43137E47219 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca (mta01.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.8]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-12.01 64bit (built Oct 15 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L1P00575RX7PD71@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:58:19 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAHUL20tMC2xu/2dsb2JhbACIcJUvvXoOhQQEhmU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,305,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="598807886" Received: from blk-11-108-110.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.108.110]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:58:14 -0300 Message-id: <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:58:14 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7039 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 01:58:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb6e9d8461220213263 Would a photograph of Michelangelo's Statue of David be, or not be, work safe in most countries? The Danish Snow White and Seven Dwarfs' rendition is unquestionably pornographic. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; "LEG" ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:01 AM Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White > Continuing the drip feed of pictures from my week in Denmark. Yesterday my > friend Lars and I went to a couple of local galleries, including the Aros > art museum where we saw several exhibitions, including one called Love, of > which this sculpture is part. I must warn you that this rendition of Snow > White and the dwarfs is quite different from the Disney version and is NOT > work safe in most countries: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#852220684_yCVUB-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5076 (20100430) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5076 (20100430) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 02:05:58 2010 Received: (qmail 18049 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 00:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 00:05:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40010E18086 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4DBE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1F2E47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBCCE47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4105uBt019034 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:05:59 GMT Message-ID: <94549C6BFEA944F5ABB98AD65DC8D58B@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <009e01cae8b0$879816a0$96c843e0$@com.au> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:05:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 02:05:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb706699471073733319 Thanks, Wayne. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday >> >> The first Iris of the season bloomed today. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/First+Iris.jpg.html >> >> Oly E-1 with Leica Elmarit-R 60/2.8 Macro >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> > > Excellent shot Jim. > > Good DOF on the flower itself with a smooth background. > > ...Wayne > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:04:05 2010 Received: (qmail 29645 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:04:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EBEE1809B for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10B9E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633D934AC031 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0343234AC030 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9488 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:03:54 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 May 2010 01:03:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDB7DF9.10007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:03:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20100429154707.GG10168@the.earth.li> <4BD9FC7D.6030805@chucknorcutt.com> <5024DD8C4B604A258D68CCF85A63497B@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <5024DD8C4B604A258D68CCF85A63497B@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:04:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb7e05116176789618724 Well, that one certainly takes the cake. The closest I've come to that is identifying my friend's car parked in his driveway in Florida. :-) In fact, I think this is the only one of my 5 previously owned houses that has ever been Google street viewed... but I left this house 15 years ago... long before Google appeared on the scene. But it still looks the same now as it did then except for a missing tree. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Sparkling colour indeed, Paddy, very nice. > > But helping Google out can include providing "local colour" of a different > sort when their Streetview cameras roll into view, as they did round these > parts last summer - and as I did on this frame: > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2cgcaby > > It's no doubt a bit of a long shot to identify someone you know on > Streetview, but a whole lot simpler (though somewhat strange) to identify > yourself! I can't recall if I had any Olympus stuff in the car that day, so > I had better admit that this is OT. > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: 29 April 2010 22:39 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. > > You should volunteer to help Google out. Yours has very much better color. > :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Patrick Moore wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Once again I pop up to throw a photo your way. Contrary to promises >> made previously I've singularly failed to migrate away from my old >> photo album, but I hope you'll all forgive me this once. >> >> Anyway: >> http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=20100408-TorrHead&phot >> o=20100408-TorrHead-007.jpg >> >> taken somewhere around here: >> >> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=torr+head&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie >> =UTF8&hl=en&hq=&hnear=Torr+Head&ll=55.195785,-6.064625&spn=0.007826,0. >> 01781&t=h&z=16 >> >> All the best, >> >> paddy > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:06:53 2010 Received: (qmail 25398 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:06:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE1DE180A1 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618BFE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E7634AC027 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4FE34AC031 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10819 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:06:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:06:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb7ead228312439112457 That's lovely. But I've gotta ask what's a "wide angle pinhole"? What's the focal length of a pinhole... the distance of the hole from the image plane? Do you simply shorten the distance to make a wide angle pinhole? Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2010/index.php?id=2090 > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:12:13 2010 Received: (qmail 12318 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:12:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405F7E180AB for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27EAE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D569A34AC032 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA3B34AC031 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13218 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:12:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:12:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb7fed15351234514069 I see that it contains chicory root. That by itself or mixed with coffee is a common coffee substitute in the south. Betcha Charlie knows about it. Chuck Norcutt Willie Wonka wrote: > Not sure about beets/beets root on burger. Dont care about them that > much to be honest and I love veggies. But they are great as coffee > substitute... > > Inka, it comes from Poland. You wouldnt know it is not a decaf, it > looks and tastes like the best instant coffee around. Prepared > entirely from beets. It was the only coffee I was allowed to drink > as a kid, now it is the only coffee that my son is allowed to > drink...:) > > They recently changed the packaging, it was sold in the same glass > jar with a brown lid for the past 35 years. > > http://www.amazon.com/NATURALIS-Inka-Coffee-Substitute-5-25-Ounce/dp/B002Q2EMBI > > > Best > > Boris > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:19:18 2010 Received: (qmail 28454 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:19:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC46E1809B for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53799E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526FDE47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3ECE47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16432 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:19:12 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:19:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb819644441234514069 Nice job. How long do you suppose that bee had been waiting for lunch? Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > The first Iris of the season bloomed today. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/First+Iris.jpg.html > > Oly E-1 with Leica Elmarit-R 60/2.8 Macro > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:21:37 2010 Received: (qmail 567 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C13E180A8 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197EEE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8C6E47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C0FE47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:21:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17379 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:21:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 May 2010 01:21:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDB821A.6030604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:21:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BDAF991.900@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:21:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb8221249241234514069 Try the two together. You can't go wrong if they're sugar beets. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Cox wrote: > The OM list always provides such interesting turns of conversation. Gmail > is now offering me adds for Premium Beets in a Can and iced coffee. > > Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:24:47 2010 Received: (qmail 30517 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FEAE180AC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E5BE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D7934AC030 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64F34AC02A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18534 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 01:24:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 May 2010 01:24:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDB82D8.3030201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:24:40 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com> <6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au> <4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:24:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb82df87435034211378 And a million cane toads as well? Chuck Norcutt Marc Lawrence wrote: > > Cheers, > Marc (close to old sugar cane fields and rusting cane-car railway lines) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:36:43 2010 Received: (qmail 32256 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:36:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCF4E18090 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AE1E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A9F34AC02A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C01634AC027 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn4 with SMTP id 4so935903iwn.31 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.204 with SMTP id dj12mr5142724ibb.9.1272677797696; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:36:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDB7EA6.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> References: <24483.7a075f15.390737fe@aol.com> <4BD6022E.9060201@gmail.com> <007f01cae85b$edf53ae0$c9dfb0a0$@com.au> <4BDB7EA6.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:36:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d70ff9f0b9b128ee Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:36:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb85ab277731234514069 That's lovely. But I've gotta ask what's a "wide angle pinhole"? > What's the focal length of a pinhole... the distance of the hole from > the image plane? Do you simply shorten the distance to make a wide > angle pinhole? > Yes. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 03:50:08 2010 Received: (qmail 21241 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 01:50:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561C9E1805D for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066AEE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5168E53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5206FE47217 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-100-84.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.100.84]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o411nxTH022238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 11:50:00 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <24483.7a075f15.390737fe@aol.com> <4BD6022E.9060201@gmail.com> <007f01cae85b$edf53ae0$c9dfb0a0$@com.au> <4BDB7EA6.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BDB7EA6.4000507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 11:49:54 +1000 Message-ID: <00b401cae8d0$99b24840$cd16d8c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcroypaHjlAd/bjfQaiYMrjYYiR3SQABNA/Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 03:50:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb88d0196711946193717 > > That's lovely. But I've gotta ask what's a "wide angle pinhole"? > What's the focal length of a pinhole... the distance of the hole from > the image plane? Do you simply shorten the distance to make a wide > angle pinhole? > Correct, this old Folding 6x9 camera's shutter stopped working so I removed the bellows and supporting structure and glued a flat panel onto the body. The pinhole is about 35mm from the film, unfortunately I get some vignetting from the primitive shutter so I need to crop a bit to get a rectangular image. Also the pinhole is a little large (~0.3mm) so I really should make/buy a smaller one to get a sharper image. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 05:09:11 2010 Received: (qmail 23937 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 03:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 03:09:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C16E18090 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32526E24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A095E47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:09:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE7DE47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o41399x3024390 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:09:12 GMT Message-ID: <4B2F323564B94C2289D300E6BD59EFF0@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <884114.95975.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BDB7FE3.80205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:09:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 05:09:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb9b57157301950411718 Chuck, I buy Luzianne by the case. Have used it for years. In my opinion, its the best coffee out there. Of course, my doctor says I should drink decaf, so I compromise: 1 part decaf to 2 parts Luzianne, which is already cut with chicory. Blend it all together, and place it in the coffee maker. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool >I see that it contains chicory root. That by itself or mixed with > coffee is a common coffee substitute in the south. > > Betcha Charlie knows about it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Willie Wonka wrote: >> Not sure about beets/beets root on burger. Dont care about them that >> much to be honest and I love veggies. But they are great as coffee >> substitute... >> >> Inka, it comes from Poland. You wouldnt know it is not a decaf, it >> looks and tastes like the best instant coffee around. Prepared >> entirely from beets. It was the only coffee I was allowed to drink >> as a kid, now it is the only coffee that my son is allowed to >> drink...:) >> >> They recently changed the packaging, it was sold in the same glass >> jar with a brown lid for the past 35 years. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/NATURALIS-Inka-Coffee-Substitute-5-25-Ounce/dp/B002Q2EMBI >> >> >> Best >> >> Boris >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 05:11:09 2010 Received: (qmail 7882 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5754EE1809E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D83BE24A9E for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421C834AC027 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBE334AC025 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o413AtMn021686 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:10:57 GMT Message-ID: <64158038BB294B49964A2D1B40D56F1C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4BDB818F.30109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 05:11:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdb9bcd93327801554290 Thanks, Chuck. He landed just as I approached the plant, so I shot as quickly as I could, before he got frustrated and left. I'm not sure that he could see a way into the sweet stuff. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Occasional Flower on Friday > Nice job. How long do you suppose that bee had been waiting for lunch? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> The first Iris of the season bloomed today. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/First+Iris.jpg.html >> >> Oly E-1 with Leica Elmarit-R 60/2.8 Macro >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 06:05:37 2010 Received: (qmail 5454 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 04:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 04:05:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36F2E180AD for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DD8E240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88507E47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DC9E5328A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 67363 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2010 04:05:30 -0000 Message-ID: <577885.66546.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sps_dP4VM1lrQMw_yWF8D5iXqSn1FbhdQ9zoY.xX.8Xxadz _h6vdAIbiDPV.VMU5ahR0R04ifpIoZGkd688IiyXaiHTkYl_Tgycs4t_0Ooe Xk91oxmywh.8yAFS4GFcJnGfpSUmlBwh7g.D4nTZND7nWJD3FeavZOzhzmGv 2BSYYpIA67XRsj6iv_nVbyGRttgjVKSL9MWEqBhZyeWH_hY42gxDbDlho1il 3o.EDrSxSAztSB2Y.ZICDsMLKK8.GCDxj80H9QIjlvDQsPZLcjxHffp33Dgr iu3cJs9NiVecA265Sb7bS9w-- Received: from [98.118.186.113] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20100429154707.GG10168@the.earth.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 06:05:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdba891172281076813867 Stunning! --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Patrick Moore wrote: > From: Patrick Moore > Subject: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:47 AM > Hi all, > = > Once again I pop up to throw a photo your way.=A0 > Contrary to promises made > previously I've singularly failed to migrate away from my > old photo album, > but I hope you'll all forgive me this once. > = > Anyway: > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=3D20100408-TorrHead&photo= =3D20100408-TorrHead-007.jpg > = > taken somewhere around here: > = > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=3Dtorr+head&oe=3Dutf-8&client=3Dfirefox-a= &ie=3DUTF8&hl=3Den&hq=3D&hnear=3DTorr+Head&ll=3D55.195785,-6.064625&spn=3D0= .007826,0.01781&t=3Dh&z=3D16 > = > All the best, > = > paddy > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 06:08:29 2010 Received: (qmail 24898 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 04:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 04:08:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B5AE1809A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E416AE240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16C7E47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99540E4720F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68905 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2010 04:08:22 -0000 Message-ID: <809141.68218.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: n2vZuAoVM1l7pkrSHtt1nWEBCWj_tiP2ZWjwKtJ6EFOFsQu iET1Rcj5jcSyeapbVvAkGIax1QXJP4dJtymNSgJHhIYBnm6TASZX_ehQdTsS 4P4_k8sBi.TcAvxQh8DZZ0qgpMuaUEmvENXI5mwqDoX5.Sj1bYdXTx30we.o va7B1Q_1KuibTeksJ4gF.mpYf7r7rGsyoWbfmY9Ej9Q76DYuuqEusCZsNWYh 47DwkyW5bAAlSbdNkyZF_m8GV99IEa2CUXaBME8lUjwgOwidbUqmM6tXg5R_ CvLyZyo0DV6Jo4XsD6iW1BGPtb9gdrKdo Received: from [98.118.186.113] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BD60BDB.3050906@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 06:08:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdba93d171881136683642 Beautiful. Did you use any filters (non-photoshop)? --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida > To: "Olympus mail list" > Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:55 PM > I've been playing with some of the > images I took in Florida this past = > winter and decided to convert a few to B&W.=A0 I > rather liked this one. = > It's taken at Bishop Harbor near the south end of Tampa > Bay.=A0 Probably = > less than a mile from my place in Palmetto FL.=A0 > Looking east, away from = > the bay in late afternoon. Those are live oaks and cabbage > palms across = > the way covered in wind blown Spanish moss.=A0 24mm on > the Tamron 24-135 = > on Canon 5D. > = > > = > There aren't too many pictures this year.=A0 It was too > cold and windy to = > inspire much photography.=A0 The shot immediately after > this one shows a = > small pile of dead fish which had succumbed to the > cold.=A0 The bay water = > here is only a couple of feet deep. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 06:30:47 2010 Received: (qmail 4161 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 04:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 04:30:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD452E180B8 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4098E240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0D434AC027 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F52834AC026 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so433804gwj.20 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.66.8 with SMTP id o8mr4214946yba.28.1272688240115; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.69.6 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:30:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDB82D8.3030201@chucknorcutt.com> References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com> <6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au> <4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDB82D8.3030201@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:30:20 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 06:30:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbae77307941879814018 Yeah, that's a problem (especially with dogs around). I've had to fridge-and-freezer quite a few of them. There were suspicions our local crows had started to figure out how to flip them to go for the bufotoxin-free, soft underbelly, but, while I wouldn't put it past them, I think this might be a wishful hypothesis looking for data. Cheers, Marc On 1 May 2010 11:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > And a million cane toads as well? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Marc Lawrence wrote: >> >> Cheers, >> Marc (close to old sugar cane fields and rusting cane-car railway lines) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:05:25 2010 Received: (qmail 14972 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:05:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5F6E180A6 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7CDE240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE5CE5328A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AD2E53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so659624wwb.20 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.209 with SMTP id c59mr3624951wef.87.1272693915818; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x14sm21676014wbs.0.2010.04.30.23.05.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 07:05:13 +0100 Message-Id: <0597AEC1-3792-4A60-B5FE-119D04AD2718@threeshoes.net> References: <2977EDB0-39AA-4F72-819C-4FF9EFF931D8@frozenlight.eu> <20A16F5C-0719-4735-840A-E2FC172B96A3@threeshoes.net> <4FF1C30B-75A8-4261-B06B-B11F5C2CFB47@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:05:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbc4a5214801006886880 Ah, you've been there. Well it should be OK then. :-) Chris On 30 Apr 2010, at 19:55, Ken Norton wrote: > > Well, Tourist Botox is always something to keep an eye out for, but as of > ten years ago (when I was there last), it was one of the better meal > experiences I've had in Europe and most certainly in Ireland. They did > seafood right. My wife won't let us move to Ireland because all her meal > experiences, except for one, was, uh, a bit underwhelming. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:07:17 2010 Received: (qmail 5780 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:07:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B054AE1805D for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71570E240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739283610001 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DC334AC026 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so659891wwb.20 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.170.83 with SMTP id o61mr1137189wel.37.1272693985776; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm21142433wbc.5.2010.04.30.23.06.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 07:06:24 +0100 Message-Id: <46F15AF3-E770-4D81-B209-8F57C85E9EC5@threeshoes.net> References: <20100429154707.GG10168@the.earth.li><4BD9FC7D.6030805@chucknorcutt.com><5024DD8C4B604A258D68CCF85A63497B@your9ya3hf92n3> <0E397292-C535-487B-82F6-3475B6D89709@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:07:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbc51585431234514069 Serendipitous, indeed, Piers :-) Chris On 30 Apr 2010, at 13:21, Piers Hemy wrote: > > I think it qualifies as a serendipitous coincidence - moments after I > passed, it turned off the main road, and I would have missed it if I had not > been on the road in that five miunte window. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:08:55 2010 Received: (qmail 9434 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:08:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A4AE180A6 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA91E240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198C0E53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:08:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531BEE4720F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10175 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:03:14 -0000 Message-Id: <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:08:06 +1000 References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:08:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbc577158665368819438 Unquestionably? _ I can easily make a good argument that it is no such thing. Start by defining 'pornographic'... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/05/2010, at 9:58 AM, John Hudson wrote: > The Danish Snow White and Seven Dwarfs' rendition is unquestionably > pornographic. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:12:05 2010 Received: (qmail 19014 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:12:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F304E180AB for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A6DE240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C6CE53265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EBEE47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so659745wyf.20 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.86.142 with SMTP id w14mr4227545wee.33.1272694317825; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm21677215wbs.16.2010.04.30.23.11.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BDB6078.9030301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 07:11:56 +0100 Message-Id: References: <45BD8300-3A64-4A04-8ACA-11F992CF167B@frozenlight.eu> <4BD76568.1030005@chucknorcutt.com> <4BD7DCBD.4060605@picturepedia.org> <4BD9FE6D.9080003@chucknorcutt.com> <0FE26E19-BAFC-4DFE-9072-54B5495D3885@threeshoes.net> <4BDB6078.9030301@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 27/4/2010: abandoned X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:12:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbc635111305368819438 Perhaps, Chuck, but it was 20 years ago ... And we would like to visit again, to see the places we took our boys. But I know that it's risky to re-visit places with too much expectation. Chris On 30 Apr 2010, at 23:58, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > As to Tampa Bay you're probably more familiar with it than I am. We've > only just spent our first winter there. I'm much more knowledgeable > about south Florida between Palm Beach and Miami since I lived in Boca > Raton for 10 years. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:19:26 2010 Received: (qmail 4517 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:19:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142AAE1808F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2553EE240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14081E47217 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B135E47214 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11474 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 06:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:14:25 -0000 Message-Id: <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:19:16 +1000 References: <2977EDB0-39AA-4F72-819C-4FF9EFF931D8@frozenlight.eu> <20A16F5C-0719-4735-840A-E2FC172B96A3@threeshoes.net> <4FF1C30B-75A8-4261-B06B-B11F5C2CFB47@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:19:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbc7ee167512439112457 This is very much the tradition here - the sausage sizzle. The implement is referred to as a barbecue but it's really a griddle - outdoor frying as you note. This one is run outside the local butcher's shop every Saturday morning and probably shifts 5-800 sausages every weekend. The queue gets deep by mid-morning but this was early and they'd barely started. The sausages are 'gourmet' and include kransky, turkey, chicken, beef and with various flavouring. All rather irrelevant as the tradition requires that they be wrapped in white foam rubber referred to as 'bread' and doused in cheap 'tomato' sauce. Odd, really. I've been known to front with my own roll and HP. Later he'll throw on a few burgers, veggie burgers, rissoles, whatever and there's onions and bacon bits going there too as a dressing. Fried sauerkraut is definitely a step too far! Today he had a new prettyblonde assistant so there's senorita content. Contrast was a bit harsh for the20mm Panny tho'. The gratuitous blonde shot after was taken in the cafe later - she sat down opposite and several of us spent a pleasant 45mins, just watching. Hard to get focus with the old Canon 100/2 on the PEN at f2 - or perhaps I was just finding it hard to concentrate. http://www.pbase.com/afildes/snags Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/05/2010, at 12:03 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > There were many food vendors setup on the streets but this one drew > me in > from at least three blocks away. He was grilling (flat-surfaced frying > grill) these hotdogs/sausages and had copious amounts of onions > frying up at > the same time. I think he even had 'crout going on the grill too. > To make > things even better, the guy had hamburger AND sausage on the grill > and would > move everything around so the dogs were cooked in and around the other > stuff. This guy had the longest line of people waiting I've ever > seen for a > food court item. Must have been 50 people ahead of me. Seeing the > line, I > figured whatever the guy was serving must have been good. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 08:36:01 2010 Received: (qmail 1335 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 06:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 06:35:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F6CE1809A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EF9E240CC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64482E47211 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2B7E4720F for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C6U41e0011u4NiLA56bvyX; Sat, 01 May 2010 06:35:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([76.115.42.101]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C6bu1e0092Axmu48h6bu9u; Sat, 01 May 2010 06:35:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4BDBCBC5.7090707@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:35:49 -0700 From: Paul Laughlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1DC1B891-4774-400F-B791-9991CB49EB0F@people.net.au> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com><6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au><4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 08:36:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbcbd1193315683411216 Sugar Beets are not much used for cooking for a meal. Although, when I was a boy on an Idaho farm, there were harvest laboreres from Missouri and other states that would take home a couple of sugar beets and slice them up, flour them and fry them for their supper. In those days, the production of sugar beets was a bit labor intensive. In the spring the beets had to be blocked. That meant one single plant every few inches. Done with a short handled hoe while bending over. Then came the harvest. The beats were manually topped with a long knife that had a kind of hook on the end of it. The hook was used to pick up the beet, which was placed across the knee and the knife was used to whack off the top. Then when the truck came, it involved manually throwing the topped beets onto the truck. As I said, it was labor intensive. The pulp, that was left after the juice containing the sugar was removed, made great feed for cows. Each grower was entitled to a certain amount of the pulp from the factory. Just a little history from some one that was there and done that. Paul in Portland OR On 4/30/2010 3:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My upstate New York backyard doesn't have any cane at all. There's > plenty of cane in Florida but most of it is about 150-200 miles away > from my winter place. The cane is on the south side of Lake Okeechobee. > While I've never seen a sugar beet I just learned that the US is the > 4th largest producer of sugar in the world and that 50% of that is from > sugar beets. > > But I can't find one in the supermarket. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 09:23:43 2010 Received: (qmail 24804 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 07:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 07:23:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34A6E18091 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E789DE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651773610002 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4603610001 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-100-84.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.100.84]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o417NWbi010877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 17:23:33 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <2977EDB0-39AA-4F72-819C-4FF9EFF931D8@frozenlight.eu> <20A16F5C-0719-4735-840A-E2FC172B96A3@threeshoes.net> <4FF1C30B-75A8-4261-B06B-B11F5C2CFB47@people.net.au> <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:23:27 +1000 Message-ID: <00cb01cae8ff$326932a0$973b97e0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acro9j+XqYoDN/LWRaq8nGwSJnoGOAACNPqw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 09:23:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbd6ff48041136683642 > The gratuitous blonde shot after was taken in the cafe later - she sat > down opposite and several of us spent a pleasant 45mins, just > watching. Hard to get focus with the old Canon 100/2 on the PEN at f2 > - or perhaps I was just finding it hard to concentrate. > > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/snags > I think I worked out where the narrow band of sharp focus lies ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 09:57:52 2010 Received: (qmail 8260 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 07:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 07:57:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13AFE1809B for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CAEE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F29E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6138E53265 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17516 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 07:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 07:52:49 -0000 Message-Id: <944EF974-130D-4FAB-907E-5A92AFC0C810@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDBCBC5.7090707@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:57:41 +1000 References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1DC1B891-4774-400F-B791-9991CB49EB0F@people.net.au> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com><6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au><4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDBCBC5.7090707@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 09:57:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbdf00158345368819438 My parents lived in Norfolk for a while - where they are grown. I don't think the English bothered with them much until the second major global unpleasantness when the traditional trade from the West Indies into Liverpool was interrupted. I do remember the stink of the processing plants - rather nasty. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/05/2010, at 4:35 PM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > Sugar Beets are not much used for cooking for a meal. Although, > when I > was a boy on an Idaho farm, there were harvest laboreres from Missouri > and other states that would take home a couple of sugar beets and > slice > them up, flour them and fry them for their supper. In those days, the > production of sugar beets was a bit labor intensive. In the spring > the > beets had to be blocked. That meant one single plant every few > inches. > Done with a short handled hoe while bending over. Then came the > harvest. The beats were manually topped with a long knife that had a > kind of hook on the end of it. The hook was used to pick up the beet, > which was placed across the knee and the knife was used to whack off > the > top. Then when the truck came, it involved manually throwing the > topped > beets onto the truck. As I said, it was labor intensive. The pulp, > that was left after the juice containing the sugar was removed, made > great feed for cows. Each grower was entitled to a certain amount of > the pulp from the factory. Just a little history from some one that > was > there and done that. > Paul in Portland OR > > > On 4/30/2010 3:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> My upstate New York backyard doesn't have any cane at all. There's >> plenty of cane in Florida but most of it is about 150-200 miles away >> from my winter place. The cane is on the south side of Lake >> Okeechobee. >> While I've never seen a sugar beet I just learned that the US is >> the >> 4th largest producer of sugar in the world and that 50% of that is >> from >> sugar beets. >> > > >> But I can't find one in the supermarket. >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 11:16:28 2010 Received: (qmail 23417 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 09:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 09:16:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D57EE1808B for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB76E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D162E47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC41BE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so712552wwb.20 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 02:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.147 with SMTP id y19mr3352844wek.0.1272705378188; Sat, 01 May 2010 02:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm22794789wbs.16.2010.05.01.02.16.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 May 2010 02:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <944EF974-130D-4FAB-907E-5A92AFC0C810@people.net.au> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:16:16 +0100 Message-Id: <48FA42D8-193B-4F1F-B5C0-DC5CB6C9707C@threeshoes.net> References: <904186.42423.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1DC1B891-4774-400F-B791-9991CB49EB0F@people.net.au> <4BD9FC1A.3010602@chucknorcutt.com><6920A790-9679-454E-9DEB-30C1C0767829@people.net.au><4BDA22C7.8070908@chucknorcutt.com> <4E4F81CD-6F45-42C9-B44B-61E6DC035B40@people.net.au> <4BDB5F6D.7010702@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDBCBC5.7090707@comcast.net> <944EF974-130D-4FAB-907E-5A92AFC0C810@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 11:16:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbf16c249811560218263 They're still there, Andrew, and a jolly good landmark a sugar beet factory makes as well. But the smell isn't unpleasant, sort of sweetly smoky. Chris On 1 May 2010, at 08:57, Andrew Fildes wrote: > My parents lived in Norfolk for a while - where they are grown. I > don't think the English bothered with them much until the second major > global unpleasantness when the traditional trade from the West Indies > into Liverpool was interrupted. I do remember the stink of the > processing plants - rather nasty. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 11:24:16 2010 Received: (qmail 8461 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 09:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 09:24:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3388AE180A9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32FAE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557134AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FF534AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (217.147.81.2 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 6.2) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O88vg-0001uD-BD for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 01 May 2010 10:24:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:24:08 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100501092408.GM10168@the.earth.li> References: <20100429154707.GG10168@the.earth.li> <4BD9FC7D.6030805@chucknorcutt.com> <20100430080921.GI10168@the.earth.li> <4BDB5CCC.3000402@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BDB5CCC.3000402@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [OM] a picture to brighten the day. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 11:24:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbf34031204877110844 * On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:42:20PM -0400, Chuck Norcutt said: > What, you don't play with the saturation slider? Actually, in Adobe > Camera Raw I rarely touch the saturation slider. The "clarity" slider > usually adds all that's required while also adding a bit of "snap". > Adding a little bit of the "vibrance" slider helps in tough cases. I > generally leave the saturation slider alone since it very easy to go way > past what even Provia would do. Oh, I do. Often far too much (as my pictures show) but it has a slightly different tonality than I managed with Superia. It's subtle, but on an overcast day it just reacted so nicely. p -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 12:15:21 2010 Received: (qmail 7378 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 10:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 10:15:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E6BE180A0 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F046CE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF97934AC028 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C934AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9077 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 10:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?77.208.95.58?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@77.208.95.58) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 1 May 2010 10:15:11 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:15:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2977EDB0-39AA-4F72-819C-4FF9EFF931D8@frozenlight.eu> <20A16F5C-0719-4735-840A-E2FC172B96A3@threeshoes.net> <4FF1C30B-75A8-4261-B06B-B11F5C2CFB47@people.net.au> <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> Message-Id: <6ED07DFD-D773-4D10-835E-986B0579E0F2@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 12:15:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdbff39183821220213263 I like gratuitous blonde shots. What were you focusing on? :-) Nathan On 1 May, 2010, at 8:19 , Andrew Fildes wrote: > > The gratuitous blonde shot after was taken in the cafe later - she sat > down opposite and several of us spent a pleasant 45mins, just > watching. Hard to get focus with the old Canon 100/2 on the PEN at f2 > - or perhaps I was just finding it hard to concentrate. > > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/snags > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 12:31:52 2010 Received: (qmail 13555 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 10:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 10:31:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C9EE180A8 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9EFE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC134AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D485B34AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:31:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 03:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26341 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 10:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 10:31:43 -0000 Message-Id: <8BB31B4E-D89B-4F66-8FE4-26D8139AE4FD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6ED07DFD-D773-4D10-835E-986B0579E0F2@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:31:42 +1000 References: <2977EDB0-39AA-4F72-819C-4FF9EFF931D8@frozenlight.eu> <20A16F5C-0719-4735-840A-E2FC172B96A3@threeshoes.net> <4FF1C30B-75A8-4261-B06B-B11F5C2CFB47@people.net.au> <0FF5ABB8-A4A8-4E4F-8788-E15EF478D83E@people.net.au> <6ED07DFD-D773-4D10-835E-986B0579E0F2@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 12:31:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc0318195932013633067 Hard to tell. She was with friends, very animated and everything just sort of kept moving - some bits long after the rest of her had stopped. Oh dear...I'm bound for a special kind of eternal punishment I suspect. Good job I don't believe in it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/05/2010, at 8:15 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I like gratuitous blonde shots. What were you focusing on? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 14:13:37 2010 Received: (qmail 5220 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 12:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 12:13:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF12E18093 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98564E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD8CE47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82455E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22852 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 12:13:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 14:13:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc1af074801744846740 Cane toads are also a problem in south Florida (in the vicinity of the cane fields) where they're usually just called bufos. I've killed and disposed of many of them because of the dog. As to crow intelligence I wouldn't be surprised. I was just reading an article about intelligence in corvids (crows, jays) and the research shows some intelligent behaviors that seem to be competitive with chimps. Chuck Norcutt Marc Lawrence wrote: > Yeah, that's a problem (especially with dogs around). I've had to > fridge-and-freezer quite a few of them. There were suspicions our > local crows had started to figure out how to flip them to go for the > bufotoxin-free, soft underbelly, but, while I wouldn't put it past > them, I think this might be a wishful hypothesis looking for data. > > Cheers, > Marc > > On 1 May 2010 11:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> And a million cane toads as well? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Marc Lawrence wrote: >>> Cheers, >>> Marc (close to old sugar cane fields and rusting cane-car railway lines) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 14:17:25 2010 Received: (qmail 20420 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 12:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 12:17:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B3FE180A5 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C23E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EC234AC028 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC0F34AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24594 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 12:17:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/4/2010: Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 14:17:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc1bd5265601413256596 You should invite her to the studio for a more thorough showing. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > This is very much the tradition here - the sausage sizzle. The > implement is referred to as a barbecue but it's really a griddle - > outdoor frying as you note. This one is run outside the local > butcher's shop every Saturday morning and probably shifts 5-800 > sausages every weekend. The queue gets deep by mid-morning but this > was early and they'd barely started. The sausages are 'gourmet' and > include kransky, turkey, chicken, beef and with various flavouring. > All rather irrelevant as the tradition requires that they be wrapped > in white foam rubber referred to as 'bread' and doused in cheap > 'tomato' sauce. Odd, really. I've been known to front with my own roll > and HP. > Later he'll throw on a few burgers, veggie burgers, rissoles, whatever > and there's onions and bacon bits going there too as a dressing. Fried > sauerkraut is definitely a step too far! > Today he had a new prettyblonde assistant so there's senorita content. > Contrast was a bit harsh for the20mm Panny tho'. > The gratuitous blonde shot after was taken in the cafe later - she sat > down opposite and several of us spent a pleasant 45mins, just > watching. Hard to get focus with the old Canon 100/2 on the PEN at f2 > - or perhaps I was just finding it hard to concentrate. > > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/snags > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/05/2010, at 12:03 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> There were many food vendors setup on the streets but this one drew >> me in >> from at least three blocks away. He was grilling (flat-surfaced frying >> grill) these hotdogs/sausages and had copious amounts of onions >> frying up at >> the same time. I think he even had 'crout going on the grill too. >> To make >> things even better, the guy had hamburger AND sausage on the grill >> and would >> move everything around so the dogs were cooked in and around the other >> stuff. This guy had the longest line of people waiting I've ever >> seen for a >> food court item. Must have been 50 people ahead of me. Seeing the >> line, I >> figured whatever the guy was serving must have been good. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 14:21:31 2010 Received: (qmail 18953 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 12:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 12:21:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153FAE180B9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C9FE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85A34AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA6134AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26663 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 12:21:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 14:21:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc1ccb231481076813867 Thanks. Very interesting. Based on this discussion I looked a little more closely in the market last night and discovered another type of beet called "golden". No idea what it tastes like but is apparently meant to be eaten raw. Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > Sugar Beets are not much used for cooking for a meal. Although, when I > was a boy on an Idaho farm, there were harvest laboreres from Missouri > and other states that would take home a couple of sugar beets and slice > them up, flour them and fry them for their supper. In those days, the > production of sugar beets was a bit labor intensive. In the spring the > beets had to be blocked. That meant one single plant every few inches. > Done with a short handled hoe while bending over. Then came the > harvest. The beats were manually topped with a long knife that had a > kind of hook on the end of it. The hook was used to pick up the beet, > which was placed across the knee and the knife was used to whack off the > top. Then when the truck came, it involved manually throwing the topped > beets onto the truck. As I said, it was labor intensive. The pulp, > that was left after the juice containing the sugar was removed, made > great feed for cows. Each grower was entitled to a certain amount of > the pulp from the factory. Just a little history from some one that was > there and done that. > Paul in Portland OR > > > On 4/30/2010 3:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> My upstate New York backyard doesn't have any cane at all. There's >> plenty of cane in Florida but most of it is about 150-200 miles away >> from my winter place. The cane is on the south side of Lake Okeechobee. >> While I've never seen a sugar beet I just learned that the US is the >> 4th largest producer of sugar in the world and that 50% of that is from >> sugar beets. >> >> But I can't find one in the supermarket. >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 14:32:31 2010 Received: (qmail 6957 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 12:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 12:32:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7BE180B3 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA64E24AA3 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6B5E47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654A1E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31830 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 12:32:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 14:32:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc1f5f195771342116753 Nope. No filters, just a bit of PhotoShop manipulation in the conversion to B&W. I don't use filters at all anymore except for the occasional use of a polarizer. But the only circular polarizer I own is a 77mm to fit the two Tokina 2.8 lenses. It's too big to fit the Tamron 24-135 without a step-up ring (which I'd be hard pressed to locate at the moment). It does fit the Tamron 20-40 but I've never tried it. It would probably vignette horribly. I used to view a polarizer as a means of darkening skies but I think PhotoShop works better for that. Now I only use it for actually cutting reflections so it doesn't get much use. If you're just catching up to this you'll see that some folks thought this was too dark and it did get Moosified. I'm still ambivalent on the lightening up. If I printed this I'd print it large where it does show a lot more detail even in the darker version. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Beautiful. Did you use any filters (non-photoshop)? > > --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> Subject: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida >> To: "Olympus mail list" >> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:55 PM >> I've been playing with some of the >> images I took in Florida this past >> winter and decided to convert a few to B&W. I >> rather liked this one. >> It's taken at Bishop Harbor near the south end of Tampa >> Bay. Probably >> less than a mile from my place in Palmetto FL. >> Looking east, away from >> the bay in late afternoon. Those are live oaks and cabbage >> palms across >> the way covered in wind blown Spanish moss. 24mm on >> the Tamron 24-135 >> on Canon 5D. >> >> >> >> There aren't too many pictures this year. It was too >> cold and windy to >> inspire much photography. The shot immediately after >> this one shows a >> small pile of dead fish which had succumbed to the >> cold. The bay water >> here is only a couple of feet deep. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 14:47:13 2010 Received: (qmail 32126 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 12:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 12:47:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34426E18091 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77563E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EF8E47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E8EE4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 05:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5847 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 12:47:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 14:47:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc22d162541220213263 I meant to add this Google link to show where the photo was taken It was taken near the bend in Bishop Harbor road and looking east. Where I live is about a mile away to the southeast. Look in the lower right corner for the "T" in "Tangerine St." I didn't realize it until now but there's a street view available along Bishop Harbor road. If you position yourself at the bend in the road at the point where you see a white sign while facing east you'll recognize the scraggly live oak that appears at the far left of my shot. It's just off the left edge of the sign. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nope. No filters, just a bit of PhotoShop manipulation in the > conversion to B&W. I don't use filters at all anymore except for the > occasional use of a polarizer. But the only circular polarizer I own is > a 77mm to fit the two Tokina 2.8 lenses. It's too big to fit the Tamron > 24-135 without a step-up ring (which I'd be hard pressed to locate at > the moment). It does fit the Tamron 20-40 but I've never tried it. It > would probably vignette horribly. > > I used to view a polarizer as a means of darkening skies but I think > PhotoShop works better for that. Now I only use it for actually cutting > reflections so it doesn't get much use. > > If you're just catching up to this you'll see that some folks thought > this was too dark and it did get Moosified. I'm still ambivalent on the > lightening up. If I printed this I'd print it large where it does show > a lot more detail even in the darker version. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > AS wrote: >> Beautiful. Did you use any filters (non-photoshop)? >> >> --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> From: Chuck Norcutt >>> Subject: [OM] Bishop Harbor, Palmetto, Florida >>> To: "Olympus mail list" >>> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:55 PM >>> I've been playing with some of the >>> images I took in Florida this past winter and decided to convert a >>> few to B&W. I >>> rather liked this one. It's taken at Bishop Harbor near the south end >>> of Tampa >>> Bay. Probably less than a mile from my place in Palmetto FL. Looking >>> east, away from the bay in late afternoon. Those are live oaks and >>> cabbage >>> palms across the way covered in wind blown Spanish moss. 24mm on >>> the Tamron 24-135 on Canon 5D. >>> >>> >>> >>> There aren't too many pictures this year. It was too >>> cold and windy to inspire much photography. The shot immediately after >>> this one shows a small pile of dead fish which had succumbed to the >>> cold. The bay water here is only a couple of feet deep. > >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 15:17:56 2010 Received: (qmail 27206 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 13:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 13:17:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A7DE18093 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 06:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48692E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC5AE47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DDCE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20501 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 13:17:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100430-1, 04/30/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 15:17:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc2a0468771234514069 According to the calculator here The diffraction limit on my 5D (12.7 MP on 35mm format) at f/128 would be about 0.025 megapixels. That's interpolated since the calculator only goes to f/64. However, the interpolation is easy since the airy circle simply doubles in size for each full step in smaller aperture. It's obvious that to get much detail from a pinhole camera you've got to use a much larger format. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Chromatic aberration influenced by the minute aperture, maybe? > > What is the diffraction limit of a pinhole? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: 30 April 2010 14:01 > To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' > Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 > >> Nice - but B&W surely!!! >> Andrew Fildes > > I probably should have converted it to b&w. > > Anyone like to explain to me why the colour balance never seems correct with > pinhole shots ? > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 17:03:12 2010 Received: (qmail 25391 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 15:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 15:03:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A01CE180A3 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB05FE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B028734AC029 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894F034AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.211.66]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1Q006INXSWW8R3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 01 May 2010 10:02:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BDC42A0.90108@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 11:02:56 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] 55mm 1.2 hood X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 17:03:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc42b048281234514069 I don't know if this will appeal to anyone, but I seem to remember someone searching for a hood for the 55mm f1.2. I have (2) NIB original Olympus metal slip-on hood for this lens. $30 ea. to list members ($39 on my site). -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 17:05:59 2010 Received: (qmail 25804 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 15:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 15:05:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC16E18083 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C712E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDA334AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B093634AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9436 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 15:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 15:05:41 -0000 Message-Id: <68B6D61C-B0D1-45BA-99CF-14779BD92FD5@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDC29FA.1070808@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 01:05:40 +1000 References: <24483.7a075f15.390737fe@aol.com><4BD6022E.9060201@gmail.com> <007f01cae85b$edf53ae0$c9dfb0a0$@com.au> <008601cae865$3b9c4b40$b2d4e1c0$@com.au> <4BDC29FA.1070808@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 17:05:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc4357200207801554290 An airy circle is what you do after 2-3 standard drinks? After that it's all circles of confusion I suppose. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/05/2010, at 11:17 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > However, the interpolation is easy since the airy > circle simply doubles in size for each full step in smaller aperture. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 18:22:32 2010 Received: (qmail 31812 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 16:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 16:22:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05F2E18094 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5510BE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4951FE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E86E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 May 2010 12:22:26 -0400 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.9-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id DWQ45659 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sat, 1 May 2010 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.10.9-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20100501122224.DWQ45659@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OM] OT Sugar beets (was OT Liverpool) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 18:22:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc5548103541950411718 > I shouldn't expect too (find one at the supermarket). > Apart from sugar production, I don't think sugarbeets > generally have another culinary purpose. I remember street vendors in eastern Iran in the 1970's with carts that sold sugar beets boiling in a brown mosasses-ish liquid, presumably their own juices. Can't say I tried it, though. How did we get from Liverpool to sugar beets? ----- Larry Woods -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 18:45:48 2010 Received: (qmail 21768 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 16:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 16:45:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2870E180AA for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CCEE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FF4E47214 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97642E47213 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 May 2010 12:45:43 -0400 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.9-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id DWQ47479 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sat, 1 May 2010 12:45:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.10.9-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100501124542.DWQ47479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OM] OT Copenhagen food culture X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 18:45:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc5abc78631946193717 I will be in Copenhagen for two days in July, and would be interested in places to eat besides Nathan's sausage cart. Any uniquely Danish/Scandinavian experiences people can suggest? An example of what I am _not_ looking for is this "world's greatest pub" in Stockholm: http://www.thelocal.se/26306/20100427/ ----- Larry Woods -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 20:59:42 2010 Received: (qmail 3487 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FCCE180A3 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 11:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DF5E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 11:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B63E47211 for ; 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(VPS 100501-0, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] WPPD 2010 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 21:24:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc800b141871612113968 Sounds about right. Circles of confusion at about 4 drinks. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > An airy circle is what you do after 2-3 standard drinks? After that > it's all circles of confusion I suppose. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/05/2010, at 11:17 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> However, the interpolation is easy since the airy >> circle simply doubles in size for each full step in smaller aperture. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 22:41:34 2010 Received: (qmail 16473 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFC8E18088 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72934E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED5E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63F3E47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so254543fgg.8 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.13 with SMTP id e13mr1218847hbh.27.1272746486474; Sat, 01 May 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Sat, 1 May 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDB7FE3.80205@chucknorcutt.com> References: <884114.95975.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BDB7FE3.80205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 22:41:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdc91fe204901879814018 Indeed I do Chuck but my mother wasn't too keen on chicory so I didn't grow up drinking it in my coffee. People drink it in SC but it's more a Louisiana/ Alabama thing. Charlie On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > I see that it contains chicory root. That by itself or mixed with > coffee is a common coffee substitute in the south. > > Betcha Charlie knows about it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Willie Wonka wrote: > > Not sure about beets/beets root on burger. Dont care about them that > > much to be honest and I love veggies. But they are great as coffee > > substitute... > > > > Inka, it comes from Poland. You wouldnt know it is not a decaf, it > > looks and tastes like the best instant coffee around. Prepared > > entirely from beets. It was the only coffee I was allowed to drink > > as a kid, now it is the only coffee that my son is allowed to > > drink...:) > > > > They recently changed the packaging, it was sold in the same glass > > jar with a brown lid for the past 35 years. > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/NATURALIS-Inka-Coffee-Substitute-5-25-Ounce/dp/B002Q2EMBI > > > > > > Best > > > > Boris > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 1 23:50:39 2010 Received: (qmail 9008 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5D8E18095 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795F6E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50184E47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC79E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-28-189-208.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.28.189.208]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 749 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 22:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 23:50:26 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 1 23:50:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdca22f134381234514069 On 30 Apr 2010, at 5:14 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > Thanks, Dawid. I appreciate your comments as I'm highly impressed > with your > own work and actually found it to be an inspiration for this > particular > shot. Well, as promised, my 50/1.4 has been glued to my OM-1 today (and will be tomorrow), only temporarily making way for the 135/3.5. What a beautiful combination... My OM-1 keeps dragging me out of Leica-land. One "L" (Linhof) is surely enough :-) Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 00:10:00 2010 Received: (qmail 26842 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 22:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 22:09:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E590E180A1 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B42E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99821E47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3844E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:09:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28545 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 22:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 May 2010 22:09:48 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20100501122224.DWQ45659@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:09:46 +1000 References: <20100501122224.DWQ45659@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT Sugar beets (was OT Liverpool) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 00:10:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdca6b895031234514069 Liverpool has a long history with the sugar importing trade (Tate & Lyle, etc.) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/05/2010, at 2:22 AM, Lawrence Woods wrote: > How did we get from Liverpool to sugar beets? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 00:24:09 2010 Received: (qmail 26307 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2010 22:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2010 22:24:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA44E180BE for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A19E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9192634AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337F334AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3355 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2010 22:23:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 May 2010 22:23:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDCA9FF.7010203@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 18:23:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <884114.95975.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BDB7FE3.80205@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100501-1, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT. Liverpool X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 00:24:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcaa0924741879814018 I think we used to buy it when we lived in Virginia but that was 35 years ago. Possibly Florida too but not recently in Florida. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Indeed I do Chuck but my mother wasn't too keen on chicory so I didn't > grow up drinking it in my coffee. People drink it in SC but it's more a > Louisiana/ Alabama thing. > > Charlie > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Chuck Norcutt < > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > >> I see that it contains chicory root. That by itself or mixed with >> coffee is a common coffee substitute in the south. >> >> Betcha Charlie knows about it. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Willie Wonka wrote: >>> Not sure about beets/beets root on burger. Dont care about them that >>> much to be honest and I love veggies. But they are great as coffee >>> substitute... >>> >>> Inka, it comes from Poland. You wouldnt know it is not a decaf, it >>> looks and tastes like the best instant coffee around. Prepared >>> entirely from beets. It was the only coffee I was allowed to drink >>> as a kid, now it is the only coffee that my son is allowed to >>> drink...:) >>> >>> They recently changed the packaging, it was sold in the same glass >>> jar with a brown lid for the past 35 years. >>> >>> >> http://www.amazon.com/NATURALIS-Inka-Coffee-Substitute-5-25-Ounce/dp/B002Q2EMBI >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 03:05:04 2010 Received: (qmail 30186 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7120E180A4 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30730E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2422434AC028 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:04:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E3234AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4214j2Y022070 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 21:04:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e18.41f9ae8 (43815) for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 21:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC014-d3d64bdccfa3375; Sat, 01 May 2010 21:04:41 -0400 Received: from webmail-m007 (webmail-m007.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.90]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC028-d3d64bdccfa3375; Sat, 01 May 2010 21:04:35 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:04:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31509-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.90) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 01 May 2010 21:04:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 03:05:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdccfc0167331234514069 Just checked with the manager of the lab I use. She did not quite have everything ready due to trouble with their Frontier, but noted that much of the Portra 160 roll was underexposed beyond salvage due to a flash issue. Whaattt???? Jolt of disappointment went through me as my out of town guests will not have nearly as nice prints this year. I have some digital back-ups but the potential best where in the OM. Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. I use a Lumiquest thingie and sometimes trigger an additional bounce flash via yabe radio remote to help in a long room. Manager said no sign of exceeding synch speed , so accidental bumping of shutter speed not an issue and wouldn't lead to this result anyway. I did use a Tam 35-105 and sometime the Z. 85 F2 ro Z 50 1.4. The aperture ring (only on the Tamron) would bind on the front of the bracket sometimes if I didn't mount it far enough in front. I can't imagine DOF preview getting bound up at F11 w/o noticing it. I usually check for the adequate expose signal on the flash once with a test flash but then the Lumiquest thingie covers it up. Dropped everything after the call: Checked the flash with the sensor in the flash and not remotely, but auto mode seems grossly OK. Mounted the OM-2/Tam combination on the bracket, but could not reproduce any issue except the binding of the aperture ring as expected if not positioned properly. Could the sensor send a quench signal so prematurely that I wouldn't notice something was up? Perhaps bumped the aperture ring 3 stops and didn't notice even changing lenses? Was able to snipe a very reasonable Metz MZ-3 and already had the OM shoe but had to clean the contacts to get it to work. I wanted simple and reliable with little chance of foul-ups. Excuse me while I enter sulk mode. Dr. Ineffective Flash Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 03:28:00 2010 Received: (qmail 2373 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 01:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 01:27:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D580E1809F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E254E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24FE47212 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C6CE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11358 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 01:27:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 01:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDCD518.8090004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:27:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100501-1, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 03:28:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcd520152041136683642 That's a bummer. Reproduce your physical setup without film in the camera, open the film door and fire. Did you see the flash through the lens? The other question has to do with "much of the Portra 160 roll was underexposed beyond salvage". So, what about the stuff that was salvaged? Was it ugly too but had enough ambient light to save it? Or were some of the flash shots actually OK? I don't know if you have a flash meter to measure actual output but you can probably judge well enough if there's at least enough light that you should have gotten a salvageable shot. I don't think there's too many things that can go dramatically wrong. The camera's sync could be totally off but if that's the case you won't see any flash through the lens looking through the film gate. The alternative is premature quenching by the flash but I'm guessing you can eyeball that viewing through the lens... at least well enough to be in the ballpark. Or, could you have really been at f/11? I think even 3 stops down would find something visible but maybe not really recoverable. Good luck, Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just checked with the manager of the lab I use. She did not quite have > everything ready due to trouble with their Frontier, but > noted that much of the Portra 160 roll was underexposed beyond salvage > due to a flash issue. Whaattt???? Jolt of disappointment went through > me > as my out of town guests will not have nearly as nice prints this year. > I have some digital back-ups but the potential best where in the OM. > Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with > remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. I use a Lumiquest > thingie and sometimes > trigger an additional bounce flash via yabe radio remote to help in a > long room. Manager said no sign of exceeding synch speed , so > accidental bumping > of shutter speed not an issue and wouldn't lead to this result anyway. > I did use a Tam 35-105 and sometime the Z. 85 F2 ro Z 50 1.4. The > aperture > ring (only on the Tamron) would bind on the front of the bracket > sometimes if I didn't mount it far enough in front. I can't imagine > DOF preview getting bound up > at F11 w/o noticing it. I usually check for the adequate expose signal > on the flash once with a test flash but then the Lumiquest thingie > covers it up. > > Dropped everything after the call: > Checked the flash with the sensor in the flash and not remotely, but > auto mode seems grossly OK. Mounted the OM-2/Tam combination on the > bracket, but could not > reproduce any issue except the binding of the aperture ring as expected > if not positioned properly. Could the sensor send a quench signal so > prematurely that I wouldn't notice something was up? Perhaps bumped > the aperture ring 3 stops and didn't notice even changing lenses? > Was able to snipe a very reasonable Metz MZ-3 and already had the OM > shoe but had to clean the contacts to get it to work. I wanted simple > and reliable with little chance of foul-ups. > Excuse me while I enter sulk mode. > > Dr. Ineffective Flash > Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 03:34:30 2010 Received: (qmail 21799 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB47EE180AD for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F80FE24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A6BE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8221E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn4 with SMTP id 4so1674639iwn.31 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.144.145 with SMTP id z17mr5193970ibu.92.1272764063240; Sat, 01 May 2010 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:34:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6ca36063c806ae9a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 03:34:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcd6a61167801554290 1. What is the ISO setting on the camera? 2. Is the film rebate exposed properly? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 03:55:15 2010 Received: (qmail 6953 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 01:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 01:55:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8615DE18035 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D239DE24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61EEE47213 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B258E47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21638 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 01:55:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 01:55:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDCDB7B.50205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:55:07 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100501-1, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 03:55:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcdb83301776789618724 He was shooting in manual on an OM-2 using a Vivitar 283. So the ISO setting on the camera doesn't matter but the ISO setting of the flash does. The flash was supposedly set for auto mode at f/4 but he never mentioned the ISO setting. He was shooting Portra 160. Lets hope the ISO wasn't set at 800 but my 283 has been long gone and I can't remember if that's an easily made error on the 283. I hope the flash hasn't been diddled with since the photos were taken. A glance at the calculator dial will tell all. Film rebate exposed properly???? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > 1. What is the ISO setting on the camera? > > 2. Is the film rebate exposed properly? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 04:51:59 2010 Received: (qmail 14690 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 02:51:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3B4E1809C for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EB6E24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A6A34AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325CA34AC025 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o422pnWq005211 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 02:51:52 GMT Message-ID: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 21:51:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 04:51:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdce8cf11021220213263 Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote shutter release? The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, compared to the Asian versions on the auction site. This device seems to offer more release options than the IR remote. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 04:54:14 2010 Received: (qmail 5041 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 02:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 02:54:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865AFE1808A for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ABCE24A9E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2CE47211 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91074E4720F for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 19:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o422sDe5016835 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 02:54:17 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 21:54:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 04:54:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdce95628801413256596 Next time run spell checker! ones, not once! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 > Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote > shutter release? The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, > compared to the Asian versions on the auction site. > > This device seems to offer more release options than the IR remote. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 05:35:11 2010 Received: (qmail 19335 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 03:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 03:35:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE252E180B2 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC0AE240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC4234AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D1F34AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1760 invoked by uid 502); 2 May 2010 03:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 05:35:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcf2ef226825368819438 Huh? Dr. No Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 05:42:47 2010 Received: (qmail 24562 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 03:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 03:42:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FD0E180AA for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E654E240CC for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA7634AC027 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273FD34AC026 for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn4 with SMTP id 4so1731969iwn.31 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.182.79 with SMTP id cb15mr2977991ibb.71.1272771762652; Sat, 01 May 2010 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Sat, 1 May 2010 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDCDB7B.50205@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <4BDCDB7B.50205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 22:42:42 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b8e2f4e56a76c36b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 05:42:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdcf4b7323881136683642 > Film rebate exposed properly???? I asked that question because if the rebate is light as compared to other rolls of film then it was a processing problem. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 09:55:17 2010 Received: (qmail 20102 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF667E180A9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F87E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0C9E4720F for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E90CE47211 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15822 invoked by uid 502); 2 May 2010 07:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 09:55:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd2fe5321413256596 On 5/1/2010 8:42 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> Film rebate exposed properly???? >> > I asked that question because if the rebate is light as compared to other > rolls of film then it was a processing problem. > Finally, you're starting to make sense. A. Senseless Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 09:57:04 2010 Received: (qmail 6891 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 07:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 07:57:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2690E1809E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E82CE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD8D3610001 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAB834AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 00:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17574 invoked by uid 502); 2 May 2010 07:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 07:56:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDD303C.1040906@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 00:56:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1997150421.17157981272740375941.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1997150421.17157981272740375941.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT Sugar beets (was OT Liverpool) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 09:57:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd3050236425368819438 On 5/1/2010 11:59 AM, JTimpe@comcast.net wrote: > Jim, whose wife is recovering quite nicely from the total hip. Excellent! I've wondered how one recovers from being terminally hip. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 12:24:22 2010 Received: (qmail 10078 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 10:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 10:24:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35071E1808D for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BE8E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C9234AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8933B34AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1453421fxm.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.139 with SMTP id s11mr1278492hbe.10.1272795852228; Sun, 02 May 2010 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.131.193 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:24:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 12:24:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd52d6132389730998309 Hi Mike and all, > From: usher99@aol.com > Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with > remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. > You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the position of the X/FP switch... All the best, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 13:14:11 2010 Received: (qmail 15076 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 11:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 11:14:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB8DE1808B for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 04:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A604EE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952BDE47205 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5AAE47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 04:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13000 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 11:14:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 11:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDD5E77.5090806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 07:13:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100501-1, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 13:14:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd5e83276632439112457 Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) Chuck Norcutt Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Mike and all, > > >> From: usher99@aol.com >> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with >> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >> > > You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the position of > the X/FP switch... > > All the best, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 14:35:46 2010 Received: (qmail 16314 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 12:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 12:35:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823C7E180B9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 05:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC89E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCC334AC029 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE28A34AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 05:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (daniel.sepke@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 05:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so755206gya.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 05:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.145.35 with SMTP id x35mr394183ann.236.1272803737198; Sun, 02 May 2010 05:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 (209-255-192-210.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.192.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b9sm3692213ana.11.2010.05.02.05.35.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 05:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4bdd7198.0935640a.6549.07f2@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrpom+cUQecQfoLR0ycTTrBsysI5QATt5pg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 14:35:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd71a2234149730998309 Jim, I have one of the genuine ones and use it regularly enough to recommend it (I have used on both the E-1 and E-3). It has a lock mode for bulb exposures which I haven't had cause to actually use other than testing that it worked. As a remote shutter it works exactly as it should with half press and full press shutter button functions replicated. It even has a little threaded stud on the back to help stop you from losing the socket cap. My only complaint would be the length of the cord attached. One of the things I do with the wired remote is to hand it to the dance teachers I work with, so that they can control the timing of the shots and I can take care of the technical side of things. The short length doesn't give me as much leash as I would like :) . I am training them with their cameras but they have just transitioned from film to digital and are having difficulty with latitude issues. They had been leaning *very* hard on the ability of negative films and minilab scans to save them from massive underexposure with theater lighting at very low levels (partially my fault as I am also LD on their productions). Of course I could extend the cord on mine but haven't got around to it. If I was going to extend it I would likely use Switchcraft TinyQG miniature microphone connectors to add in as much as I needed but still be able to go back to the shorter length. I seem to recall that I did look at the copies of the remote when I purchased mine but I wasn't in a hurry so I waited the market out and snagged one that was listed as for the E-10 with no mention of the E-1, or if I recall correctly the model number of the release itself. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:52 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote shutter release? The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, compared to the Asian versions on the auction site. This device seems to offer more release options than the IR remote. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 15:31:31 2010 Received: (qmail 27894 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 13:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 13:31:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C20DE1808E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3CE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814AAE47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B650E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1528994fxm.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.201 with SMTP id j9mr373756hbg.164.1272807082682; Sun, 02 May 2010 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:31:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 15:31:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd7eb3188471234514069 On 2 May 2010 03:51, Jim Nichols wrote: > Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote = shutter release? =A0The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, compar= ed to the Asian versions on the auction site. I thought so too, so bought one of these - ebay item 110407468929. I also cut the cable and soldered a 2.5mm stereo jack socket onto the stub and a plug onto the remaining lead so I could use it for controlling a Minolta A1 also. Having done that, it would be fairly trivial to make an extension to fit between the plug & socket, which would address Daniel's length issue. I'd rather do this with a =A322 Chinese copy that with the rather more expensive Oly item, which I can't comment on the quality of. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 15:33:32 2010 Received: (qmail 11651 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 13:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 13:33:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB42E180AC for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279A7E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B834AC027 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F24834AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o42DXK2P000911 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:33:20 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dc2.5365bcb (34929) for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-88714bdd7f1e2c4; Sun, 02 May 2010 09:33:18 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <5bc83.51b50552.390ed91e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:33:18 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.182.79 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 15:33:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd7f2c224021357919056 In a message dated 5/2/2010 7:35:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, daniel.sepke@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote shutter release? I have one (actually 2) of the Olympus product. My experience in using it for close-up work in nature and wildlife type work is that is you are not careful, as I wasn't, you can step on the cord and break it off at the camera. That explains why I have two. My solution, because for this type of work, I you don't need a long cord is to use a rubber band to attach the cord to my tripod head and then if the cord gets trapped beneath my knee, it does get snapped off. Helpful when you are in a remote location and need a cable release. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 15:36:30 2010 Received: (qmail 27077 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 13:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 13:36:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E69E1808E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1A0E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21F4E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBEFE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13316 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 13:36:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 13:36:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDD7FD6.5010703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 09:36:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4bdd7198.0935640a.6549.07f2@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4bdd7198.0935640a.6549.07f2@mx.google.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100501-1, 05/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 15:36:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd7fde320776107113666 I have one of the ebay wired remotes for my Canon 5D. I don't recall the seller but the unit is branded "ADIDT". It's the same as this one located by specifying "ADIDT" in the search and also searching the text as well as the listing title. More listings were also found. I point this one out in particular since you can see from the photo here that it has a connector on the side for a 2.5mm plug. I think this could be used to trigger the camera by plugging in a remote flash receiver. Unfortunately, all my radio flash gear uses 3.5mm plugs and I don't have anything to convert to the smaller size to test it. The listing above doesn't even mention it and I don't recall that the instructions that came with mine (if it had any) mentioned it either. But it has to have some purpose and I think that has to be it. I suppose the plug could have been placed there to trigger a flash or another camera but, even if that's the case, it should work for an input as well as an output. The actual push button switch seems a bit lightweight but functions perfectly. The cord is fairly heavy duty and seems well attached and the camera end connector is also robust looking. You can buy these things for less than $10 shipping included. It would be hard to go wrong. I'm assuming, of course, that the same thing is available for Olympus but haven't searched. Here's one for the 5D for under $10 that mentions that it has a "synchro socket" for triggering a second camera. Same ADIDT brand Well, I just did the same search but using Olympus instead of Canon and didn't find anything with ADIDT in the search. Chuck Norcutt Daniel Sepke wrote: > Jim, > > I have one of the genuine ones and use it regularly enough to recommend it > (I have used on both the E-1 and E-3). It has a lock mode for bulb exposures > which I haven't had cause to actually use other than testing that it worked. > As a remote shutter it works exactly as it should with half press and full > press shutter button functions replicated. It even has a little threaded > stud on the back to help stop you from losing the socket cap. > > My only complaint would be the length of the cord attached. One of the > things I do with the wired remote is to hand it to the dance teachers I work > with, so that they can control the timing of the shots and I can take care > of the technical side of things. The short length doesn't give me as much > leash as I would like :) . I am training them with their cameras but they > have just transitioned from film to digital and are having difficulty with > latitude issues. They had been leaning *very* hard on the ability of > negative films and minilab scans to save them from massive underexposure > with theater lighting at very low levels (partially my fault as I am also LD > on their productions). Of course I could extend the cord on mine but haven't > got around to it. If I was going to extend it I would likely use Switchcraft > TinyQG miniature microphone connectors to add in as much as I needed but > still be able to go back to the shorter length. > > I seem to recall that I did look at the copies of the remote when I > purchased mine but I wasn't in a hurry so I waited the market out and > snagged one that was listed as for the E-10 with no mention of the E-1, or > if I recall correctly the model number of the release itself. > > Dan S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:52 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 > > Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote > shutter release? The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, compared > to the Asian versions on the auction site. > > This device seems to offer more release options than the IR remote. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 15:50:30 2010 Received: (qmail 12654 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 13:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 13:50:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2126AE180AB for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7D2E24AA3 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1137BE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397CE47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1536314fxm.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 06:50:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.136 with SMTP id i8mr1351915hbg.35.1272808223250; Sun, 02 May 2010 06:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 06:50:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 15:50:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd8326290191073733319 On 2 May 2010 14:31, Ian Nichols wrote: > I thought so too, so bought one of these - ebay item 110407468929. Forgot to mention - it is also a useful intervalometer (done some time-lapses with the A1), long exposure timer and delay timer. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 16:22:51 2010 Received: (qmail 19785 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 14:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 14:22:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D12E180C5 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FE6E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F58E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C9DE47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f197.google.com (mail-iw0-f197.google.com [209.85.223.197]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn35 with SMTP id 35so2221818iwn.21 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 07:22:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.168.207 with SMTP id v15mr4687691iby.34.1272810163970; Sun, 02 May 2010 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDD2FD4.5050801@gmail.com> References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <4BDCDB7B.50205@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDD2FD4.5050801@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:22:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ab545330824724b5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 16:22:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd8abb267191234514069 Moose wrote: >Finally, you're starting to make sense. I'll try to type slower for you. AG Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 17:13:18 2010 Received: (qmail 21663 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 15:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 15:13:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE383E180A4 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688D5E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D789E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E731E47201 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 17:13:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd968e18871234514069 > I've wondered how one recovers from being terminally hip. > Have teenage kids. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 17:42:05 2010 Received: (qmail 1139 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 15:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 15:42:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A48E18083 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF7AE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDE934AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA1134AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o42Ffr5q025072 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:41:56 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4bdd7198.0935640a.6549.07f2@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:41:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 17:42:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdd9d4d220952439112457 Daniel, Ian, Bill, and Chuck, Thanks for all of the insight. I agree, a longer cable would be better, and the intervelometer device is interesting. I'm glad to hear that the China/Hong Kong devices work ok. I will watch the market and see what I can find. Sorry to hear of your experience, Bill. I will watch out for that sort of thing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Sepke" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 > Jim, > > I have one of the genuine ones and use it regularly enough to recommend it > (I have used on both the E-1 and E-3). It has a lock mode for bulb > exposures > which I haven't had cause to actually use other than testing that it > worked. > As a remote shutter it works exactly as it should with half press and full > press shutter button functions replicated. It even has a little threaded > stud on the back to help stop you from losing the socket cap. > > My only complaint would be the length of the cord attached. One of the > things I do with the wired remote is to hand it to the dance teachers I > work > with, so that they can control the timing of the shots and I can take care > of the technical side of things. The short length doesn't give me as much > leash as I would like :) . I am training them with their cameras but they > have just transitioned from film to digital and are having difficulty with > latitude issues. They had been leaning *very* hard on the ability of > negative films and minilab scans to save them from massive underexposure > with theater lighting at very low levels (partially my fault as I am also > LD > on their productions). Of course I could extend the cord on mine but > haven't > got around to it. If I was going to extend it I would likely use > Switchcraft > TinyQG miniature microphone connectors to add in as much as I needed but > still be able to go back to the shorter length. > > I seem to recall that I did look at the copies of the remote when I > purchased mine but I wasn't in a hurry so I waited the market out and > snagged one that was listed as for the E-10 with no mention of the E-1, or > if I recall correctly the model number of the release itself. > > Dan S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:52 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Olympus RM-CB1 > > Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with the Olympus RM-CB1 remote > shutter release? The once for sale in the US seem very expensive, > compared > to the Asian versions on the auction site. > > This device seems to offer more release options than the IR remote. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 18:16:52 2010 Received: (qmail 9280 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 16:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 16:16:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A55E180A6 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE5EE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E489834AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89AA34AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:53859 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O8bqX-00064B-2A for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 02 May 2010 11:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:16:38 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 18:16:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdda574247601744846740 I have just bought one of these from eb*y and saw this comment. I know I should have checked here first but I didn't and I don't remember anyone mentioning this, is this statement correct or have I just bought a useless item "note the camera locking pin has been disabled (common because they are a pain to use as the mount obscures it)" Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 19:24:54 2010 Received: (qmail 31840 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 17:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 17:24:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18CE18099 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFDBE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C878E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE591E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:24:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18924 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 17:24:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 13:24:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-0, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 19:24:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddb566119701357919056 I've never even seen one of these things in the flesh so thought I'd check the eSIF and instruction book. At first I thought he was talking about the tube's *extension lock* which is prominently mentioned many times throughout the instructions. But on further reflection I think he's talking about the mount's body release latch that one finds on every lens. Looking at the eSIF photo it appears that the tripod mount may interfere with trying to fully depress the release latch. I think I'd prefer to carry a small tool to do that if that's the problem but it's probably not a show stopper if you don't go about trying to rotate the tube relative to the body. Disabling might also only mean that the spring and latch button have been removed. They might still be included as separate parts with the unit. If not, JH may be able to provide replacements. It might be that any broken 50/1.8 could provide donor parts as well but the latch in the eSIF photo appears to be extra tall... but perhaps not tall enough for ease of use. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > I have just bought one of these from eb*y and saw this comment. I know I > should have checked here first but I didn't and I don't remember anyone > mentioning this, is this statement correct or have I just bought a > useless item > > "note the camera locking pin has been disabled (common because they are > a pain to use as the mount obscures it)" > > Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 19:47:20 2010 Received: (qmail 7486 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A890EE1809C for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBD6E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EE434AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD6434AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:34986 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O8dG6-0003no-N7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 02 May 2010 12:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:47:09 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 19:47:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddbaa8221391073733319 Thansk for the info, but looking at one of these pictures it seems like the depth of field preview button is the one disabled, I have some old extension tubes which may provide doner parts or as you suggest an old 50mm On 02/05/2010 19:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I've never even seen one of these things in the flesh so thought I'd > check the eSIF and instruction book. At first I thought he was talking > about the tube's *extension lock* which is prominently mentioned many > times throughout the instructions. But on further reflection I think > he's talking about the mount's body release latch that one finds on > every lens. > > Looking at the eSIF photo it appears that the tripod mount may interfere > with trying to fully depress the release latch. I think I'd prefer to > carry a small tool to do that if that's the problem but it's probably > not a show stopper if you don't go about trying to rotate the tube > relative to the body. Disabling might also only mean that the spring > and latch button have been removed. They might still be included as > separate parts with the unit. If not, JH may be able to provide > replacements. It might be that any broken 50/1.8 could provide donor > parts as well but the latch in the eSIF photo appears to be extra > tall... but perhaps not tall enough for ease of use. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > SwissPace wrote: > >> I have just bought one of these from eb*y and saw this comment. I know I >> should have checked here first but I didn't and I don't remember anyone >> mentioning this, is this statement correct or have I just bought a >> useless item >> >> "note the camera locking pin has been disabled (common because they are >> a pain to use as the mount obscures it)" >> >> Thanks IanW >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 20:23:25 2010 Received: (qmail 24717 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 18:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 18:23:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E072E180AD for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED16E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC21E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CA5E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so900479vws.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.128.12 with SMTP id i12mr5653338vcs.4.1272824598168; Sun, 02 May 2010 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.16 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:23:18 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 20:23:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddc31d125221879814018 AFAIK, there's no depth of field preview button built onto the 65-116, each lens mounted on the tube has its own depth of field preview button. But as Chuck pointed out, me too I think I think he's talking about the mount's body release latch, which could be a little awkward to use. Difficult to tell but the third picture seems to show a silhouette where the latch should be. I think seller should have explained himself better. Useless, no. But I'd have preferred to decide for myself whether if it's a pain to use it or not. I think it's not. Fernando. 2010/5/2 SwissPace : > Thansk for the info, but looking at one of these pictures it seems like > the depth of field preview button is the one disabled, > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 20:37:29 2010 Received: (qmail 27161 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 18:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 18:37:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9713E18083 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5341E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9734AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F87F34AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:58498 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O8e2c-00089s-7K for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:37:22 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:37:17 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 20:37:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddc66913532013633067 Thanks I will wait and see what arrives, can't blame seller for anything really, I saw it read it should have asked him more but clicked anyway as these seem to be rare these days. On 02/05/2010 20:23, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > AFAIK, there's no depth of field preview button built onto the 65-116, > each lens mounted on the tube has its own depth of field preview > button. > > But as Chuck pointed out, me too I think I think he's talking about > the mount's body release latch, which could be a little awkward to > use. Difficult to tell but the third picture seems to show a > silhouette where the latch should be. > > I think seller should have explained himself better. > Useless, no. > But I'd have preferred to decide for myself whether if it's a pain to > use it or not. I think it's not. > > Fernando. > > 2010/5/2 SwissPace: > >> Thansk for the info, but looking at one of these pictures it seems like >> the depth of field preview button is the one disabled, >> >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 20:58:53 2010 Received: (qmail 2128 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 18:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 18:58:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22FFE18086 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9C4E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70844E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E831DE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 11:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so1337765wyf.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.85.2 with SMTP id t2mr6750865wee.220.1272826726491; Sun, 02 May 2010 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm34626879wbc.11.2010.05.02.11.58.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:58:44 +0100 Message-Id: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 20:58:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddcb6d121531342116753 A few months ago I bought a cheapie external viewfinder for my Panny GF-1. It's marked "Helios" and has brightframes for 35 - 135. Well, I have used it once or twice, but today I went to photograph bluebells in one of my local woods and discovered that the viewfinder is not aligned to the lens. In fact it is useless. I have checked my rather lovely CV 25mm viewfinder on both my LX-3 and the GF-1 and it is nicely aligned, so the fault must lie with the cheapie vf. So, I am now in the market for a secondhand CV 40mm viewfinder, preferably from someone in Europe (imports from outside Europe attract the attention of HM Customs, and the Post Office charges GBP8 for the effort of showing HM Customs the parcel ...). Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 21:26:25 2010 Received: (qmail 15604 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 19:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 19:26:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF1FE180A6 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79880E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1B5E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C410E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so916862vws.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 12:26:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.67 with SMTP id o3mr9678877vcr.56.1272828379402; Sun, 02 May 2010 12:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.16 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:26:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:26:19 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 21:26:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddd1e188792439112457 Yes, I'm afraid you're right on this - not me. Fernando. 2010/5/2 SwissPace : > can't blame seller for anything > really, I saw it read it should have asked him more but clicked anyway > as these seem to be rare these days. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 21:45:52 2010 Received: (qmail 13581 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7242FE1809D for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FD6E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4406E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D24E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24285 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 19:45:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 19:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDD666.4010904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 15:45:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-0, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 21:45:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddd67090001006886880 As I look at the bottom photo it appears to me that the release button may actually be there but just below the surface. If you look closely there it looks to me like a serrated edge is just visible. That would be the top of the release button. It also looks like the latch itself is there and also just below the surface as everything would look if the button was depressed. I suspect the latch is there but the spring has been removed or (better) perhaps just repositioned so that it doesn't apply any upward pressure. It's been a long time since I've had an OM mount apart so I don't know if repositioning the spring that way is possible. But I think the worst case is that you'll need a spring which is probably pretty standard. Rejoice! It looks to be in great condition. But it ought to be for the (gulp) price. :-) Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Thanks I will wait and see what arrives, can't blame seller for anything > really, I saw it read it should have asked him more but clicked anyway > as these seem to be rare these days. > > On 02/05/2010 20:23, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> AFAIK, there's no depth of field preview button built onto the 65-116, >> each lens mounted on the tube has its own depth of field preview >> button. >> >> But as Chuck pointed out, me too I think I think he's talking about >> the mount's body release latch, which could be a little awkward to >> use. Difficult to tell but the third picture seems to show a >> silhouette where the latch should be. >> >> I think seller should have explained himself better. >> Useless, no. >> But I'd have preferred to decide for myself whether if it's a pain to >> use it or not. I think it's not. >> >> Fernando. >> >> 2010/5/2 SwissPace: >> >>> Thansk for the info, but looking at one of these pictures it seems like >>> the depth of field preview button is the one disabled, >>> >>> >>> >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 22:12:42 2010 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385EBE18089 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629AFE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6146F34AC029 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD1934AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4823 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 20:12:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 20:12:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:12:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-0, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 22:12:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdddcba35976107113666 Are you sure you're not just dealing with parallax error? Sounds like you were up close and personal with those bluebells and I doubt that any auxiliary optical finder to fit the hot shoe is going to suit for macro photography or near macro. Have you maybe forgotten what it was like to use a rangefinder up close? Remember the parallax correction marks for near focus where "near" was probably defined as about a meter. A 25mm finder is going to have an easier job of pointing the camera up close than something designed for a longer focal length. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > A few months ago I bought a cheapie external viewfinder for my Panny > GF-1. It's marked "Helios" and has brightframes for 35 - 135. Well, > I have used it once or twice, but today I went to photograph > bluebells in one of my local woods and discovered that the viewfinder > is not aligned to the lens. In fact it is useless. > > I have checked my rather lovely CV 25mm viewfinder on both my LX-3 > and the GF-1 and it is nicely aligned, so the fault must lie with the > cheapie vf. > > So, I am now in the market for a secondhand CV 40mm viewfinder, > preferably from someone in Europe (imports from outside Europe > attract the attention of HM Customs, and the Post Office charges GBP8 > for the effort of showing HM Customs the parcel ...). > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 22:42:43 2010 Received: (qmail 7127 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8B5E1808C for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2365E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E7AE47207 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFE3E47205 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:46704 helo=IanMacBookPro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O8fzY-0002dW-S4 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDDE3A7.2050902@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:42:15 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <4BDDB55A.6010103@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDDBA9D.3070208@picturepedia.org> <4BDDC65D.4090104@picturepedia.org> <4BDDD666.4010904@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BDDD666.4010904@chucknorcutt.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 22:42:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdde3c3166536107113666 Fortunately (for me) the pound is quite low at the moment so it doesn't sound too bad when you say it in swiss francs ;-) Bu they do seem to be rare these days. > Rejoice! It looks to be in great condition. But it ought to be for the > (gulp) price. :-) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 22:46:06 2010 Received: (qmail 11600 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 20:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 20:46:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC61E180B7 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FE8E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C19E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31844E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20003 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 20:45:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 20:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDE47E.2010004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:45:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-0, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 22:46:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdde48e149385368819438 Figure out what happened yet? Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just checked with the manager of the lab I use. She did not quite have > everything ready due to trouble with their Frontier, but > noted that much of the Portra 160 roll was underexposed beyond salvage > due to a flash issue. Whaattt???? Jolt of disappointment went through > me -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 23:01:52 2010 Received: (qmail 14387 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 21:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:01:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BF9E180AA for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B25E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE834AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:01:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85F034AC027 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:01:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o42L1jQ6016280 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:01:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d34.6db49cc5 (37119) for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA015-5c594bdde8323aa; Sun, 02 May 2010 17:01:41 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d122 (webmail-d122.sim.aol.com [205.188.108.131]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c594bdde8323aa; Sun, 02 May 2010 17:01:38 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 17:01:38 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31509-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 02 May 2010 17:01:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 23:01:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdde84011411560218263 Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. Mike Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) Chuck Norcutt Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Mike and all, > > >> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with >> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >> > > You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the position of > the X/FP switch... > > All the best, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 23:09:06 2010 Received: (qmail 5333 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 21:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:09:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF91E1809D for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D1FE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16B7E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6B4E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o42L8t05004572 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:08:55 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d82.76972b7 (43974) for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD037-d3d54bdde9e01ad; Sun, 02 May 2010 17:08:52 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d122 (webmail-d122.sim.aol.com [205.188.108.131]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC027-d3d54bdde9e01ad; Sun, 02 May 2010 17:08:48 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 17:08:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31509-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 02 May 2010 17:08:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCB852CAE7F8C2-F30-C143@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Daffodil shot grabbed on way to work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 23:09:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdde9f2188211258626592 We planted 5 new varieties of 'dils last Fall. Carefully fertilized them in the Fall, mulched well and fertilized again in early Spring. They put on a nice show. Couldn' t resist a few shots of one of the first to bloom but ended up a bit late to work with wet knees. I think I greatly prefer more time and a focusing rail. It was using Big Foot at F5.6 but I didn't have time to plug in the new f stop using the Optix 5 chip. http://tinyurl.com/38ex87o Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 23:13:06 2010 Received: (qmail 1700 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 21:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:13:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78FBE180B5 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B15E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE19E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5974E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1394078wwb.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.15 with SMTP id i15mr10201468wem.188.1272834777372; Sun, 02 May 2010 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm35447006wbc.11.2010.05.02.14.12.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:12:55 +0100 Message-Id: <6DA80A51-9EB4-4E98-B1C6-6562281E9B88@threeshoes.net> References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 23:13:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddeae2134481006886880 Hmmm, you might be right, Chuck. It was a long way off, but it might have been parallax for at least part of it. I'll check again. Thanks Chris On 2 May 2010, at 21:12, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Are you sure you're not just dealing with parallax error? Sounds like > you were up close and personal with those bluebells and I doubt that any > auxiliary optical finder to fit the hot shoe is going to suit for macro > photography or near macro. Have you maybe forgotten what it was like to > use a rangefinder up close? Remember the parallax correction marks for > near focus where "near" was probably defined as about a meter. > > A 25mm finder is going to have an easier job of pointing the camera up > close than something designed for a longer focal length. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 23:41:39 2010 Received: (qmail 11174 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 21:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:41:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9054E180BB for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA60E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C2934AC029 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63A334AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13756 invoked from network); 2 May 2010 21:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:41:29 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:41:28 +1000 References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 23:41:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddf193285101234514069 Indeed - the late Can on rangefinder VF's had an automatic parallax corretion - a pin that pushed up for close focus. A lot of good quality finders like the German Tewe models have a manual correction lever. The Helios is like the cheap round ones you see around for old Yashica Electro rangefinders - nothing. You'd need something like a Mamiya Paramender tripod thingy to do it - it drops the camera for viewing and then raises it for shooting Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/05/2010, at 6:12 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Are you sure you're not just dealing with parallax error? Sounds like > you were up close and personal with those bluebells and I doubt that > any > auxiliary optical finder to fit the hot shoe is going to suit for > macro > photography or near macro. Have you maybe forgotten what it was > like to > use a rangefinder up close? Remember the parallax correction marks > for > near focus where "near" was probably defined as about a meter. > > A 25mm finder is going to have an easier job of pointing the camera up > close than something designed for a longer focal length. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 2 23:59:15 2010 Received: (qmail 25670 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 21:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 21:59:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD2E18095 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC08BE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE18AE47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693CFE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21960 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 21:59:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 21:59:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 17:59:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 2 23:59:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddf5b318942517112723 See your OM-2 manual. If you have a T-flash mounted the camera senses it and automatically sets X sync regardless of the switch setting. If you don't have a T-flash mounted you're responsible to set the sync to FP or X yourself. Flash bulbs used to be sold in different types. FP was the type to be used on cameras that had focal plane shutters. The characteristic of an FP bulb was a long burn time. Since the bulb puts out light continuously the bulb is able to sync the full range from 1/60 to 1/1000. But the manual says not longer than 1/60. 1/60, of course, is the max for OM cameras on X sync. But I don't know if you'd get proper sync for both regardless of sync setting at 1/60. I think not. I suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter curtain started to open. But that would be a disaster for an X sync electronic flash. It would have dumped it's charge completely before the first curtain got off the starting gate. That's probably what happened to you. I've never done it myself but I can recall someone on this list from many years ago describing some way to lock the sync switch on to X. It may have been a tiny dab of contact cement which would be easily removable if desired. I just went to take a look at my OM-1's sync switch to check how it might be done and was a bit startled to find it setting on FP. Ooops! Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail > on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing > that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana > but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. > I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to > complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a > disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual > mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode > works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( > I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images > with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. > > Mike > > > > > > Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> Hi Mike and all, >> >> >>> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >>> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket > with >>> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >>> >> You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the > position of >> the X/FP switch... >> >> All the best, > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 00:01:20 2010 Received: (qmail 26555 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 22:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 22:01:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72C7E1809E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0AEE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293DD34AC02A for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B462C34AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23386 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2010 22:01:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2010 22:01:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDDF620.1020204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:01:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB852CAE7F8C2-F30-C143@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCB852CAE7F8C2-F30-C143@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Daffodil shot grabbed on way to work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 00:01:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bddf63068591612113968 I'm not sure where all those blue stems come from but it's pretty. :-) Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > We planted 5 new varieties of 'dils last Fall. Carefully fertilized > them in the Fall, mulched well and fertilized again in early Spring. > They put on a nice show. Couldn' t resist a few shots of one of the > first to bloom but ended up a bit late to work with wet knees. > I think I greatly prefer more time and a focusing rail. It was using > Big Foot at F5.6 but I didn't have time to plug in the new f stop using > the Optix 5 chip. > > > http://tinyurl.com/38ex87o > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 01:03:53 2010 Received: (qmail 4916 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 23:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 23:03:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF40E1808E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874F6E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5227DE47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEF2E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o42N3i1l003308 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:03:45 +1000 Message-Id: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 03 May 2010 09:03:44 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:03:44 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 01:03:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde04d9286755683411216 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > FP bulb was a long burn time. .. .. > I suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter > curtain started to open. I think the FP sync happens even before the first curtain opens as it takes some time for the FP bulb to reach full output - I can't remember what the time delay is any more ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 01:08:31 2010 Received: (qmail 24568 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 23:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 23:08:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615CCE1808B for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63377E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B623DE47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A520E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o42N8En4022878 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:08:17 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 01:08:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde05ef281641136683642 Wayne, That is my recollection, as well. But any info I have is over 50 years old, and I can't recall where it is just now. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? > > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> FP bulb was a long burn time. > . > . >> I suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >> curtain started to open. > > I think the FP sync happens even before the first curtain opens as it > takes some time for the FP bulb to reach full output - I can't remember > what the time delay is any more ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 01:21:10 2010 Received: (qmail 23880 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2010 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2010 23:21:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9456E180A2 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C619E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72434AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6EB34AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L1T00IFNFKVO361@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 02 May 2010 20:22:07 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkEAEOl3UtMC2xu/2dsb2JhbACIcZUeuG8OhQQEhmU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,314,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="577387805" Received: from blk-11-108-110.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.108.110]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 02 May 2010 20:21:04 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1997150421.17157981272740375941.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4BDD303C.1040906@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:21:03 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7051 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Sugar beets (was OT Liverpool) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 01:21:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde08e649124877110844 Our are 35 and 33. 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(VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 02:23:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde1781213912439112457 Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 02:28:16 2010 Received: (qmail 23871 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 00:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 00:28:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8304CE1808F for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F34EE24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B47B34AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97D234AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23784 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 00:28:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 00:28:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDE1899.2090700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:28:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 02:28:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde18a0323561136683642 Yes, I didn't think about that until after I hit the send button. But I'm sure you're right. The flash probably fired even before the curtain started moving. No hint of light at all. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> FP bulb was a long burn time. > . > . >> I suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >> curtain started to open. > > I think the FP sync happens even before the first curtain opens as it takes some time for the FP bulb to reach full output - I can't remember what the time delay is any more ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 02:54:53 2010 Received: (qmail 25250 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 00:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 00:54:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2EFE180B7 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B10E24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B98BE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D957E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o430sjVq020277 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:45 +1000 Message-Id: <201005030054.o430sjVq020277@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 03 May 2010 10:54:45 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:54:45 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 02:54:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde1edd38287801554290 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Yes, I didn't think about that until after I hit the send button. But > I'm sure you're right. The flash probably fired even before the curtain > > started moving. No hint of light at all. > I did a bit of browsing and it seems the FP contact closes about 20mSec before the shutter starts to open. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 03:23:19 2010 Received: (qmail 7614 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 01:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 01:23:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DCCE18086 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB0DE24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A4E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99003E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1468558wwb.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.203 with SMTP id w53mr5667076wee.128.1272849792387; Sun, 02 May 2010 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.6 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 03:23:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde2587166611560218263 Nice capture Chuck. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. > All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 03:33:40 2010 Received: (qmail 13218 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FD2E180AB for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA590E24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B00834AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4145034AC025 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CmBy1e0070mv7h052pZZau; Mon, 03 May 2010 01:33:33 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CpZZ1e0091iZpPQ3XpZZXT; Mon, 03 May 2010 01:33:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 01:33:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1145225387.29277771272850413589.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.57.250.225] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.19_GA_3172.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.19_GA_3172.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 03:33:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde27f4146595683411216 The release button is the same size as on a lens. With the tripod mount next to it, it may be a little hard to get to for someone with large hands so I can see why they would take the spring out. Just watch if you use the body to line the photo up --------- it might fall off! ----- Original Message ----- From: SwissPace To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Sent: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm I have just bought one of these from eb*y and saw this comment. I know I should have checked here first but I didn't and I don't remember anyone mentioning this, is this statement correct or have I just bought a useless item "note the camera locking pin has been disabled (common because they are a pain to use as the mount obscures it)" Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 03:46:23 2010 Received: (qmail 19246 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 01:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 01:46:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32B4E1808A for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5ECE24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F78E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B04E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24783 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 01:46:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 01:46:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDE2AE6.4030308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:46:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201005030054.o430sjVq020277@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <201005030054.o430sjVq020277@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 03:46:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde2aef192715034211378 Yup, and I just looked up the flash duration of a Vivitar 283 at full power. It's 1 msec. All the shouting was already over 19 msec before the first curtain started opening. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Yes, I didn't think about that until after I hit the send button. But >> I'm sure you're right. The flash probably fired even before the curtain >> >> started moving. No hint of light at all. >> > > I did a bit of browsing and it seems the FP contact closes about 20mSec before the shutter starts to open. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 03:49:38 2010 Received: (qmail 12423 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 01:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 01:49:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBB8E180A0 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828A2E24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B9834AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8DE34AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26533 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 01:49:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 01:49:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDE2BAB.9080700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:49:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 05/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 03:49:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde2bb2121793900897491 Just luck. Between the smoke and the low resolution EVF on the A1 I could hardly see what I was doing. :-) I also just had to change my clothes. I couldn't stand smelling like smoke any more. Chuck Norcutt Rick Beckrich wrote: > Nice capture Chuck. > > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. >> All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 04:36:02 2010 Received: (qmail 530 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 02:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 02:36:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF7DE1808C for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721ECE24A9E for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611BC34AC028 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD73834AC026 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o432ZoKf004134 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:35:51 +1000 Message-Id: <201005030235.o432ZoKf004134@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 03 May 2010 12:35:50 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:35:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 04:36:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde3692175269730998309 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. > All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 > > -- Great shots ! ...but I always feel a bit sick when I see a house fire. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 07:39:07 2010 Received: (qmail 18320 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA71E180C2 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7ADE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A76E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B307E47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1924693fxm.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 22:38:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.80 with SMTP id f16mr1407988hbh.157.1272865138803; Sun, 02 May 2010 22:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:38:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1145225387.29277771272850413589.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> <1145225387.29277771272850413589.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:38:58 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 07:39:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde617b132673900897491 It will probably end up on a 5D anyway, so you might epoxy the mount to the OM-EOS adapter :) (did I say this?) Iwert 2010/5/3 Don Holbrook : > The release button is the same size as on a lens. With the tripod mount next to it, it may be a little hard to get to for someone with large hands so I can see why they would take the spring out. Just watch if you use the body to line the photo up --------- it might fall off! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 07:53:45 2010 Received: (qmail 2099 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 05:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 05:53:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE8DE18093 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9619EE24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CBDE47202 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DC8E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 22:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1533443wwb.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.185.82 with SMTP id t60mr7466168wem.149.1272866016495; Sun, 02 May 2010 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r29sm39041354wbv.15.2010.05.02.22.53.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:53:34 +0100 Message-Id: <45294E13-9AEA-45D4-90AB-E028FB2D4EAC@threeshoes.net> References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 07:53:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde64e9173871612113968 Yes, it's a cheap round thing, all right. I had not noticed when I got it that the brightframes are off to one side. So, although part of the error that I reported yesterday could be attributed to parallax, that is the vertical component; there's also a lateral component. Add to that the fact that the eye relief is quite short which means that I have to press my eye to the blimmin' thing to see the outer frames ... Using the CV viewfinder is much easier with eye relief and brightness. Chris On 2 May 2010, at 22:41, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Indeed - the late Can on rangefinder VF's had an automatic parallax > corretion - a pin that pushed up for close focus. A lot of good > quality finders like the German Tewe models have a manual correction > lever. > The Helios is like the cheap round ones you see around for old Yashica > Electro rangefinders - nothing. You'd need something like a Mamiya > Paramender tripod thingy to do it - it drops the camera for viewing > and then raises it for shooting > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 08:11:23 2010 Received: (qmail 15641 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 06:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 06:11:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4350E180AA for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46776E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438523610003 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2023610002 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1538494wwb.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.12 with SMTP id b12mr4739597wef.93.1272867076724; Sun, 02 May 2010 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm32415897wbb.20.2010.05.02.23.11.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <8CCB852CAE7F8C2-F30-C143@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:15 +0100 Message-Id: <94EF6DA6-1DE0-40C8-A644-0C8D7BB3250E@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCB852CAE7F8C2-F30-C143@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Daffodil shot grabbed on way to work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 08:11:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde690a92875034211378 Thanks, Mike. They are lovely flowers. I like the blue tinge to the green. Chris On 2 May 2010, at 22:08, usher99@aol.com wrote: > We planted 5 new varieties of 'dils last Fall. Carefully fertilized > them in the Fall, mulched well and fertilized again in early Spring. > They put on a nice show. Couldn' t resist a few shots of one of the > first to bloom but ended up a bit late to work with wet knees. > I think I greatly prefer more time and a focusing rail. It was using > Big Foot at F5.6 but I didn't have time to plug in the new f stop using > the Optix 5 chip. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 08:14:31 2010 Received: (qmail 13883 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 06:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 06:14:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F56DE18092 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE99E24105 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35B4E47203 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4E6E47201 for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 May 2010 23:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1539460wwb.20 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 23:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.88.68 with SMTP id z46mr6895745wee.215.1272867255144; Sun, 02 May 2010 23:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm39166614wbs.16.2010.05.02.23.14.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 23:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:14:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 08:14:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde69c7134631946193717 Thanks, Chuck. I do feel for the owners and occupants. I'm not sure, but do you think that they have enough fire engines attending that blaze? ;-) Chris On 3 May 2010, at 01:23, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. > All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 09:14:39 2010 Received: (qmail 14828 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 07:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 07:14:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2F7E1808B for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 00:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0129E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 00:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BFFE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 00:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4798E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 00:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 00:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8FAB8U3kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACRAI0RuTWFEgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,318,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="1786448" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 03 May 2010 19:14:29 +1200 Received: from [111.69.244.126] (unknown [111.69.244.126]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E106920251 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:14:28 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:13:57 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100502-1, 03/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 09:14:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde77df87701357919056 I have no wish to start another conflagration on this topic, but I have just returned to Christchurch from my new home in Central Otago where it is still bright autumn. Prints from Fuji Superia Reala 100 asa (OM4Ti) that I had processed while I was away, compared with on-screen images of jpegs taken with the E-3 (of the same subjects, taken within seconds of each other) show that much more detail and much less blowing-out of highlights (of super-bright leaves etc) occurs with the film 5x7 inch prints. If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of dealing with RAW files. Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 11:20:18 2010 Received: (qmail 3649 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 09:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 09:20:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574DAE18090 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC07E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A5034AC027 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C44534AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1621479wwb.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 02:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.174.76 with SMTP id w54mr5738100wel.213.1272878397354; Mon, 03 May 2010 02:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm40299609wbs.4.2010.05.03.02.19.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 02:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:19:52 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 11:20:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde9552189091234514069 I think that we all agree, Brian, that colour film will probably record a greater range of exposure values at once than will digital. And blown highlights is a risk unless you habitually under-expose or check the histogram before or after shooting. Chris On 3 May 2010, at 08:13, Brian Swale wrote: > Prints from Fuji Superia Reala 100 asa (OM4Ti) that I had processed while I > was away, compared with on-screen images of jpegs taken with the E-3 (of > the same subjects, taken within seconds of each other) show that much > more detail and much less blowing-out of highlights (of super-bright leaves > etc) occurs with the film 5x7 inch prints. > > If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of dealing with RAW files. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 11:34:44 2010 Received: (qmail 20304 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F4DE180AC for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95267E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144DCE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C28E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 02:34:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 868 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:48:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6FD8E6E0-3A38-4609-B5E5-0742C849A127@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:34:30 +0200 References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 11:34:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bde98b414071234514069 Well, Brian, if we were on the DPReview forums, or Photo.net, you'd be flamed to death for starting another Film vs Digital war. Since we're on a mailing list to discuss a film-based system, you're probably a bit safer here :-) Again and again I see the same thing you are seeing, although one must admit the four thirds bodies are less than stellar in their ability to retain highlight detail. A good RAW file from a Canon 1 or 5-series body will be a different story, in my time of shooting them, I've never had complaints. But that was then :-) On the rare occasion that I shoot colour film, it's always been Provia 100F (and sometimes Velvia) for the amazing colour, punch, and smoothness. And this usually in 6x17cm format. Recently, I (out of necessity, actually) shot a roll of Fuji Pro 160S negative film in my 6x17cm camera. To say that I was impressed is an understatement, the dynamic range, couple with the large format, is simply stupendous. I can process every shot to look like a full-on three-shot HDR from a DSLR if I want to. What impressed me most (with one of the interior shots I did, where the lighting was at least EV15 outside (bright sunny day), and it was dark inside (EV9 at best)) was that somehow the entire scene was represented within the available dynamic range, with the outside colours actually still being accurate. For the purposes of a hybrid workflow (scanning) and medium-format film, I am thinking of giving up slide film completely, pretty as they are on the light table. Of course, the argument is, that if I am prepared to set up a 6x17cm camera on a tripod, I may as well do that with a DSLR and make a proper HDR exposure, so I must admit to loving the process, and the results from the lens, even if (for a single shot, on a tripod) it's ultimately still more work (and cost) than doing X number of exposure, and processing in-computer to make an HDR. But anyway, it's all about the B&W film for me in anyway, so what am I talking about? Dawid On 03 May 2010, at 9:13 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > I have no wish to start another conflagration on this topic, but I > have just > returned to Christchurch from my new home in Central Otago where it > is still > bright autumn. > > Prints from Fuji Superia Reala 100 asa (OM4Ti) that I had processed > while I > was away, compared with on-screen images of jpegs taken with the E-3 > (of > the same subjects, taken within seconds of each other) show that much > more detail and much less blowing-out of highlights (of super-bright > leaves > etc) occurs with the film 5x7 inch prints. > > If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of dealing with RAW > files. > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 12:36:25 2010 Received: (qmail 31924 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 10:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 10:36:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7E6E1808F for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E17E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9706C34AC026 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2BD34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:36:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L1U00GUTAS075X1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:36:00 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEAPtD3ktMC2xu/2dsb2JhbACIcZUiuWMOhQQEhmU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,318,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="749073580" Received: from blk-11-108-110.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.108.110]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:35:27 -0300 Message-id: <34D53DDD89A64AE6915DC5FBA72CAA96@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 07:35:27 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7053 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 12:36:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdea729217211342116753 Sitting around the fire hall shining the bumper chrome must be deadly dull :-)) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos > Thanks, Chuck. I do feel for the owners and occupants. > > I'm not sure, but do you think that they have enough fire engines > attending that blaze? ;-) > > Chris > > On 3 May 2010, at 01:23, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. >> All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 >> >> -- > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5081 (20100503) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5081 (20100503) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 12:42:41 2010 Received: (qmail 22634 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 10:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 10:42:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A1AE18099 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEBFE24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0D2E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E090E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 03:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13540 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 10:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 10:42:32 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <45294E13-9AEA-45D4-90AB-E028FB2D4EAC@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:42:31 +1000 References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> <45294E13-9AEA-45D4-90AB-E028FB2D4EAC@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 12:42:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdea8a1317576107113666 Knock the glass out of it, steal the finder from an old, dead Oly Trip 35, jam it in, align it then fill all gaps with metal putty squeezed to shape. You can even use the lens dress ring as a front trim. Paint the body putty black after trimming and sanding to a pleasing shape. You end up with a nice 42mm brightline finder so if you use the inside of the frame, it's about right. I did this so it can't be hard! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/05/2010, at 3:53 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, it's a cheap round thing, all right. I had not noticed when I > got it that the brightframes are off to one side. So, although part > of the error that I reported yesterday could be attributed to > parallax, that is the vertical component; there's also a lateral > component. Add to that the fact that the eye relief is quite short > which means that I have to press my eye to the blimmin' thing to see > the outer frames ... > > Using the CV viewfinder is much easier with eye relief and brightness. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:40:05 2010 Received: (qmail 21159 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 12:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 12:40:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE205E18095 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F230E24A9E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:40:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec42538821879814018 Such art subjects didn't become taboo until Victorian men declared it as such. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Unquestionably? _ I can easily make a good argument that it is no such > thing. > Start by defining 'pornographic'... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/05/2010, at 9:58 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> The Danish Snow White and Seven Dwarfs' rendition is unquestionably >> pornographic. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:45:28 2010 Received: (qmail 18228 invoked by uid 0); 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Mon, 3 May 2010 05:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1744148wwb.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.160.8 with SMTP id t8mr1416583wek.101.1272890720187; Mon, 03 May 2010 05:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm19898727wbd.19.2010.05.03.05.45.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 05:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <34D53DDD89A64AE6915DC5FBA72CAA96@hudson> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:45:18 +0100 Message-Id: <65F00D1D-1B0E-44CE-A75D-EEE07BB3E2CD@threeshoes.net> References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <34D53DDD89A64AE6915DC5FBA72CAA96@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:45:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec568289891234514069 You're probably right, John :-) Chris On 3 May 2010, at 11:35, John Hudson wrote: > Sitting around the fire hall shining the bumper chrome must be deadly dull -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:47:15 2010 Received: (qmail 21918 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 12:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 12:47:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1471DE180A6 for ; 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Mon, 03 May 2010 05:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm19898727wbd.19.2010.05.03.05.46.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:46:06 +0100 Message-Id: <952B94A8-F9EA-4F67-B5B6-487E6FFDE2EE@threeshoes.net> References: <12C1E754-F0A2-4C82-9BEA-7CA56B3A039E@threeshoes.net> <4BDDDCB3.8080703@chucknorcutt.com> <45294E13-9AEA-45D4-90AB-E028FB2D4EAC@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: external viewfinder on my GF-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:47:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec5d349459752976205 Good plan, Andrew. Thanks. Chris On 3 May 2010, at 11:42, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Knock the glass out of it, steal the finder from an old, dead Oly Trip > 35, jam it in, align it then fill all gaps with metal putty squeezed > to shape. You can even use the lens dress ring as a front trim. Paint > the body putty black after trimming and sanding to a pleasing shape. > You end up with a nice 42mm brightline finder so if you use the inside > of the frame, it's about right. > I did this so it can't be hard! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:51:45 2010 Received: (qmail 31106 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 12:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 12:51:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C32E18087 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759B0E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524E34AC02B for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4DD34AC02A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.208.207]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1U00B5XH1WD5Q3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:51:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BDEC6D6.9050803@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 08:51:34 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CCB7AA910A5B50-1820-15F3C@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:51:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec6e172995683411216 I hate that. Could be asa was set incorrectly on flash, or wrong f stop on lens. Or, worst case, the sync switch on the body could be set to FP instead of x which would cause the flash to go on and off before the shutter opens. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just checked with the manager of the lab I use. She did not quite have > everything ready due to trouble with their Frontier, but > noted that much of the Portra 160 roll was underexposed beyond salvage > due to a flash issue. Whaattt???? Jolt of disappointment went through > me > as my out of town guests will not have nearly as nice prints this year. > I have some digital back-ups but the potential best where in the OM. > Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket with > remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. I use a Lumiquest > thingie and sometimes > trigger an additional bounce flash via yabe radio remote to help in a > long room. Manager said no sign of exceeding synch speed , so > accidental bumping > of shutter speed not an issue and wouldn't lead to this result anyway. > I did use a Tam 35-105 and sometime the Z. 85 F2 ro Z 50 1.4. The > aperture > ring (only on the Tamron) would bind on the front of the bracket > sometimes if I didn't mount it far enough in front. I can't imagine > DOF preview getting bound up > at F11 w/o noticing it. I usually check for the adequate expose signal > on the flash once with a test flash but then the Lumiquest thingie > covers it up. > > Dropped everything after the call: > Checked the flash with the sensor in the flash and not remotely, but > auto mode seems grossly OK. Mounted the OM-2/Tam combination on the > bracket, but could not > reproduce any issue except the binding of the aperture ring as expected > if not positioned properly. Could the sensor send a quench signal so > prematurely that I wouldn't notice something was up? Perhaps bumped > the aperture ring 3 stops and didn't notice even changing lenses? > Was able to snipe a very reasonable Metz MZ-3 and already had the OM > shoe but had to clean the contacts to get it to work. I wanted simple > and reliable with little chance of foul-ups. > Excuse me while I enter sulk mode. > > Dr. Ineffective Flash > Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:54:50 2010 Received: (qmail 25213 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 12:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 12:54:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1750DE1807F for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625C2E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B2CE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEBEE47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12335 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 12:54:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:54:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec79a261901220213263 Yes, that's one of the low cost living parts of town and there were four apartments in the building. Fortunately, everyone got out OK but there are obviously four families searching for shelter today. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. >> All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 >> >> -- > > Great shots ! > > ...but I always feel a bit sick when I see a house fire. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 14:56:49 2010 Received: (qmail 8116 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 12:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 12:56:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB00AE180B4 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98844E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961DB34AC028 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEED34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.208.207]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1U00BMTH80I5HC@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:55:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BDEC7B2.4030600@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 08:55:14 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3D1037A3A5C6418FBB20C644D38F686D@jimnichols> <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> In-reply-to: <4BDDA566.7020407@picturepedia.org> Subject: Re: [OM] qusion re EXTENSION TUBE 65-116mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 14:56:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec81167161234514069 I think it would be a simple matter to remove the mount and take the locking button out. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html SwissPace wrote: > I have just bought one of these from eb*y and saw this comment. I know I > should have checked here first but I didn't and I don't remember anyone > mentioning this, is this statement correct or have I just bought a > useless item > > "note the camera locking pin has been disabled (common because they are > a pain to use as the mount obscures it)" > > Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:00:53 2010 Received: (qmail 478 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:00:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89710E18088 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40BE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190F434AC026 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67CB34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.208.207]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1U00CNLHH31CW1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 08:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BDEC8F9.4000707@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:00:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-reply-to: <201005022303.o42N3i1l003308@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:00:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdec90544921076813867 IIRC FP sync fires the bulb 11 ms before the first curtain opens. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> FP bulb was a long burn time. > . > . >> I suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >> curtain started to open. > > I think the FP sync happens even before the first curtain opens as it takes some time for the FP bulb to reach full output - I can't remember what the time delay is any more ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:07:16 2010 Received: (qmail 12023 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:07:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324DE18085 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A96E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007EF34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DF634AC02B for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.208.207]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1U006EXHRQ3832@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 08:07:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:07:04 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:07:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdeca84318782517112723 Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent some studio flashes from firing. Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in behind the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I have some of those. ________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > See your OM-2 manual. If you have a T-flash mounted the camera senses > it and automatically sets X sync regardless of the switch setting. If > you don't have a T-flash mounted you're responsible to set the sync to > FP or X yourself. > > Flash bulbs used to be sold in different types. FP was the type to be > used on cameras that had focal plane shutters. The characteristic of an > FP bulb was a long burn time. Since the bulb puts out light > continuously the bulb is able to sync the full range from 1/60 to > 1/1000. But the manual says not longer than 1/60. 1/60, of course, is > the max for OM cameras on X sync. But I don't know if you'd get proper > sync for both regardless of sync setting at 1/60. I think not. I > suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter > curtain started to open. But that would be a disaster for an X sync > electronic flash. It would have dumped it's charge completely before > the first curtain got off the starting gate. That's probably what > happened to you. > > I've never done it myself but I can recall someone on this list from > many years ago describing some way to lock the sync switch on to X. It > may have been a tiny dab of contact cement which would be easily > removable if desired. I just went to take a look at my OM-1's sync > switch to check how it might be done and was a bit startled to find it > setting on FP. Ooops! > > Chuck Norcutt > > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail >> on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing >> that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana >> but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. >> I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to >> complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a >> disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual >> mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode >> works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( >> I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images >> with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >>> Hi Mike and all, >>> >>> >>>> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >>>> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket >> with >>>> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >>>> >>> You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the >> position of >>> the X/FP switch... >>> >>> All the best, >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:11:14 2010 Received: (qmail 32363 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:11:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080A8E180B6 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD84E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE5AE47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BF2E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24326 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 13:11:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:11:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdecb72158081413256596 You can't see all of them. :-) The Endicott fire department's station is only a few blocks away. The Endwell department's station is not far from my house which I've just discovered is more like 3 miles rather than 5. The Johnson City department's station is probably 5 or more miles away. But the one that takes the cake is the Vestal department. Normally they'd only be a mile or two away but they're across the river. The bridge on the shortest route is closed for repairs so they'd have had to go some distance out of their way to use another bridge. But it's their ladder truck that's in use next to the house. Perhaps they have the best equipment. I can't imagine that they got there first. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. I do feel for the owners and occupants. > > I'm not sure, but do you think that they have enough fire engines attending that blaze? ;-) > > Chris > > On 3 May 2010, at 01:23, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Old house on fire about 5 miles away, observed on the way to dinner. >> All 4 local fire departments responded. Minolta A1 >> >> -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:17:53 2010 Received: (qmail 32659 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:17:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CF1E18090 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C83E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC2AE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7590FE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o43DHevk005141 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:40 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dfc.5045703 (44230) for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m18.mail.aol.com (magic-m18.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.206]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD088-acc64bdeccf0330; Mon, 03 May 2010 09:17:36 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:36 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.73.221 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.206 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:17:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdecd01138915683411216 I've saved an eBay search in my area of the country in hopes of finding the 90mm f2 stolen last September. This lens and adapter showed up this morning. I have no interest although at one time thought I might give the G2 a try. Might any of you micro 4/3 users have an interest? Bill "Hope Springs Eternal" Barber eBay #180501363290 and look at their other auction for the adapter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:25:01 2010 Received: (qmail 12788 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:25:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F9BE180BA for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D358E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE32E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0FDE47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2043 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 13:24:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 13:24:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:24:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:25:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdecead45007801554290 Also not to start another conflagration but we keep trying to tell you that overexposure with negative film leads to loss of shadow detail. Overexposure of slide film or digital images (both are positive) leads to blown highlights. When using digital you have to be more cautious about overexposure just as you have to be more cautious about underexposure with negative film. If you're consistently getting blown highlights with the E-3 why not simply dial in a -1/3 or -2/3 exposure compensation. The camera also has a histogram and flashing warnings about exposure problems if you'll but use them. The E-3 is not the same as negative film and you need to adapt to the different tool rather than complain about it. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > I have no wish to start another conflagration on this topic, but I have just > returned to Christchurch from my new home in Central Otago where it is still > bright autumn. > > Prints from Fuji Superia Reala 100 asa (OM4Ti) that I had processed while I > was away, compared with on-screen images of jpegs taken with the E-3 (of > the same subjects, taken within seconds of each other) show that much > more detail and much less blowing-out of highlights (of super-bright leaves > etc) occurs with the film 5x7 inch prints. > > If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of dealing with RAW files. > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:28:36 2010 Received: (qmail 5932 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:28:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78718E180A7 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739F8E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595D4E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7330CE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:28:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 0 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:42:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:28:26 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:28:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdecf8343951612113968 Hmm... Zeiss Contaxt-mount 90mm f/2.8. There are many people who would have considered this lens the "best of the best" available, at any price, even compared to Leica M. I can't believe it's so cheap. Such a pity the Contax G-system used their own proprietary lens mount, otherwise a lot of people would be buying these to use on their Leica M's. Then this lens would cost a lot more than the paltry $179 BIN this seller wants. Dawid On 03 May 2010, at 3:17 PM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I've saved an eBay search in my area of the country in hopes of > finding > the 90mm f2 stolen last September. This lens and adapter showed up > this > morning. I have no interest although at one time thought I might > give the G2 a > try. Might any of you micro 4/3 users have an interest? Bill "Hope > Springs Eternal" Barber > > eBay #180501363290 and look at their other auction for the adapter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:30:50 2010 Received: (qmail 22498 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:30:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6EFE180A3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552F0E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45950E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA2DE47208 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 775 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:44:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:30:40 +0200 References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:30:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bded00a43921006886880 Chuck, I think you meant "underexposure with negative film" ? And yes, Brian, if you have any "complaints" about the E-3 (a wonderful camera) I'll gladly "relive you" of this pain if you want to donate it to me :-) Dawid On 03 May 2010, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Also not to start another conflagration but we keep trying to tell you > that overexposure with negative film leads to loss of shadow detail. > Overexposure of slide film or digital images (both are positive) leads > to blown highlights. When using digital you have to be more cautious > about overexposure just as you have to be more cautious about > underexposure with negative film. > > If you're consistently getting blown highlights with the E-3 why not > simply dial in a -1/3 or -2/3 exposure compensation. The camera also > has a histogram and flashing warnings about exposure problems if > you'll > but use them. The E-3 is not the same as negative film and you need > to > adapt to the different tool rather than complain about it. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:32:39 2010 Received: (qmail 1616 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:32:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ED6E1809E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259C3E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ACFE47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE83DE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7919 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 13:32:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 13:32:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:32:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:32:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bded077133313900897491 So, with the 2N and 1N you'd have to use the PC connection as well as setting the sync to FP in order to use a flash bulb? Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of > sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's > a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent > some studio flashes from firing. > > Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in behind > the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic > cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I > have some of those. > > ________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> See your OM-2 manual. If you have a T-flash mounted the camera senses >> it and automatically sets X sync regardless of the switch setting. If >> you don't have a T-flash mounted you're responsible to set the sync to >> FP or X yourself. >> >> Flash bulbs used to be sold in different types. FP was the type to be >> used on cameras that had focal plane shutters. The characteristic of an >> FP bulb was a long burn time. Since the bulb puts out light >> continuously the bulb is able to sync the full range from 1/60 to >> 1/1000. But the manual says not longer than 1/60. 1/60, of course, is >> the max for OM cameras on X sync. But I don't know if you'd get proper >> sync for both regardless of sync setting at 1/60. I think not. I >> suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >> curtain started to open. But that would be a disaster for an X sync >> electronic flash. It would have dumped it's charge completely before >> the first curtain got off the starting gate. That's probably what >> happened to you. >> >> I've never done it myself but I can recall someone on this list from >> many years ago describing some way to lock the sync switch on to X. It >> may have been a tiny dab of contact cement which would be easily >> removable if desired. I just went to take a look at my OM-1's sync >> switch to check how it might be done and was a bit startled to find it >> setting on FP. Ooops! >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> usher99@aol.com wrote: >>> Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail >>> on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing >>> that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana >>> but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. >>> I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to >>> complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a >>> disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual >>> mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode >>> works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( >>> I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images >>> with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >>>> Hi Mike and all, >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >>>>> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket >>> with >>>>> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >>>>> >>>> You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the >>> position of >>>> the X/FP switch... >>>> >>>> All the best, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 15:39:45 2010 Received: (qmail 8815 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 13:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 13:39:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA48E18099 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E14E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE6E34AC027 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1569C34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 06:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12619 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 15:39:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bded221250201234514069 Actually, I'm not sure what I meant. I was thinking of the difference of which parts of the emulsion get washed away between developed positive and negative films. But my comment doesn't make any sense. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Chuck, I think you meant "underexposure with negative film" ? > > And yes, Brian, if you have any "complaints" about the E-3 > (a wonderful camera) I'll gladly "relive you" of this pain > if you want to donate it to me :-) > Dawid > > On 03 May 2010, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Also not to start another conflagration but we keep trying to tell you >> that overexposure with negative film leads to loss of shadow detail. >> Overexposure of slide film or digital images (both are positive) leads >> to blown highlights. When using digital you have to be more cautious >> about overexposure just as you have to be more cautious about >> underexposure with negative film. >> >> If you're consistently getting blown highlights with the E-3 why not >> simply dial in a -1/3 or -2/3 exposure compensation. The camera also >> has a histogram and flashing warnings about exposure problems if >> you'll >> but use them. The E-3 is not the same as negative film and you need >> to >> adapt to the different tool rather than complain about it. >> >> Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:07:50 2010 Received: (qmail 2678 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AA6E180AC for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A9FE24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAE8B38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609D1E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so1808261wyf.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.144 with SMTP id e16mr2884597wef.166.1272895660801; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm35241308wbb.14.2010.05.03.07.07.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 07:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:07:38 +0100 Message-Id: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:07:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bded8b655291342116753 Yes, I'm sad for the system. I really enjoyed using my G1 and G2 and lenses. Chris On 3 May 2010, at 14:28, Dawid Loubser wrote: > There are many people who would have considered this lens the > "best of the best" available, at any price, even compared to > Leica M. > > I can't believe it's so cheap. Such a pity the Contax G-system > used their own proprietary lens mount, otherwise a lot of people > would be buying these to use on their Leica M's. Then this lens > would cost a lot more than the paltry $179 BIN this seller wants. > > Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:11:23 2010 Received: (qmail 29350 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:11:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58073E180C0 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00EBE24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAF9B38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8BE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so1813205wwb.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.172.213 with SMTP id t63mr1061213wel.44.1272895876204; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm35260994wbb.14.2010.05.03.07.11.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 07:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:11:14 +0100 Message-Id: <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:11:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bded98b27902517112723 I agree with Chuck's suggestion, Brian. In addition, you can set the monitor on your E-3, along with many (most?) digital cameras, to display blown highlights in the review as well as in the playback modes. If I see too many flashing tell-tales, I adjust the exposure compensation and re-shoot. It's the work of only a moment. I'm not sure if you were angling for any advice when you made your post, but there are plenty of members of this List who are ready to offer it ... :-) Chris On 3 May 2010, at 14:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > f you're consistently getting blown highlights with the E-3 why not > simply dial in a -1/3 or -2/3 exposure compensation. The camera also > has a histogram and flashing warnings about exposure problems if you'll > but use them. The E-3 is not the same as negative film and you need to > adapt to the different tool rather than complain about it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:17:51 2010 Received: (qmail 28959 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:17:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A27E18099 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01782E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3DF34AC02A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C44034AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3212827iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.5 with SMTP id dg5mr1907230ibb.44.1272896259921; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> References: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d4107c339a2442b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:17:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdedb0f267221357919056 > > My OM-1 keeps dragging me out of Leica-land. One "L" (Linhof) is > surely enough :-) > The Leica M-digital something or the other model is on my short-list of digital camera acquisitions. So far, absolutely nothing else has even a remote bit of interest to me. Unless Olympus or somebody else comes up with a 0.5x teleconverter that maintains half the optical traits of full-frame 35mm, I see no compelling reason to continue this masquerade called "Four-Thirds". I may very well have purchased my last camera in that mount. But my reasoning is specific and personal. Is there an OM to M adaptor? I'd love to reuse several of my Zuikos on an M-body. BTW, the 50/1.4 on the L1 is just soooo purty. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:22:37 2010 Received: (qmail 12942 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:22:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CA7E1809A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982D6E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CD634AC029 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EAE34AC028 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E07120018 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:27 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FCA11FDC4 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:26 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DBB116E9A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:26 +0930 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C8116E92 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:25 +0930 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4EECAEBC3D; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:25 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 23:52:25 +0930 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.130 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:4609 -> 64.62.209.31:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 67c3ac1ffe054bdedc274ad8e0 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:22:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdedc2d138825368819438 On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 08:39:51AM -0400, John Hermanson wrote: > Such art subjects didn't become taboo until Victorian men declared it as > such. Strewth... first they steal the Adelaide Formula One Grand Prix, & now this...! ;) davidt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:24:34 2010 Received: (qmail 10556 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:24:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BB4E180AC for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43884E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7CE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1153AB38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([124.125.106.82]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id OIP06415 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:54:03 +0530 Message-Id: <3E4A88A4-6210-41B8-972F-164B29971728@ucr.edu> References: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:24:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdedca2171713900897491 On May 3, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > BTW, the 50/1.4 on the L1 is just soooo purty The 50/1.4 is purty is *any* body. it=92s the lens, dontcha know. and i=92m with you on the M camp, maybe when i get another digit on my pays= cale, I can get an M11... off keh.com in BGN condition. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:33:23 2010 Received: (qmail 8851 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Mon, 3 May 2010 07:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3231418iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:33:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.5 with SMTP id dg5mr1930900ibb.44.1272897195455; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:33:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6844c4d2fa971ee1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:33:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdedeb3142841076813867 Fall colors (reds, oranges and yellows) aren't really handled well by digital capture. I can give all the scientific reasons why, but the point is that the gamut for these colors is rather limited as compared to most any color film. OK, Kodak Gold 200 pretty well stinks, but you get the idea. It is not uncommon to have to underexpose fall foilage by up to two stops to preserve details with digital. With film, you generally have the ability to lean into the exposure a bit and it will preserve the tonal and color gradients. I'll give one textual example: Reds. When you blow reds, they transition to yellow. The Olympus E-system is especially prone to this. If they don't go to yellow, they just block up in 255.0.0 RGB value. A real problem when photographing tulips which usually end up as featureless red blobs. The following zone-10 article illustrates what happens when you blow the snot out of the E-1. I haven't posted the E-3 version of this test, but I'll just say that the E-1 is the gold-standard for highlights as compared to the E-3. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=493&Itemid=1 I recently posted this picture, but will reference it again. Getting the colors and gradients in the near-saturated colors would be difficult with digital capture. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=495&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:39:51 2010 Received: (qmail 23298 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:39:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681DE1809C for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17166E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FC434AC02A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC2934AC02B for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3238546iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:39:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.139 with SMTP id b11mr450891ibx.49.1272897452587; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:37:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 941285f3cbd1b8f5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:39:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdee037194825368819438 > > Also not to start another conflagration but we keep trying to tell you > that overexposure with negative film leads to loss of shadow detail. > Overexposure of slide film or digital images (both are positive) leads > to blown highlights. When using digital you have to be more cautious > about overexposure just as you have to be more cautious about > underexposure with negative film. > Overexposure with negative films improves the shadows, but can result in blocked up highlights. Overexposure with slide films improves the shadows, but can result in blocked up highlights. Overexposure with digital improves the shadows, but can result in blocked up highlights. Hmm..... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:51:38 2010 Received: (qmail 5297 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:51:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09BCE180AD for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCD7E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB50E4720D for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEE0E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1156373gwj.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.171.79 with SMTP id g15mr3198729ibz.75.1272898290644; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:51:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3E4A88A4-6210-41B8-972F-164B29971728@ucr.edu> References: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> <3E4A88A4-6210-41B8-972F-164B29971728@ucr.edu> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:51:30 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e0489c669c794460 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:51:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdee2fa247567801554290 > > and i=92m with you on the M camp, maybe when i get another digit on my > payscale, I can get an M11... off keh.com in BGN condition. > I'm hoping that I don't have to wait quite that long. If I could fly it past the CDFO, I'd do a "Ken Rockwell" and get a beater M6 and spend the difference on film. She's rightfully so, saying no to that idea. She says no more film cameras. :( Semi-related note: On Saturday, I did my first senior portrait session with the L1 and PanaLeica 14-50 lens. Yeah, now we're talking. The bokeh is actually tighter (not as blobified) as the 14-54, but the contrasting and sharpness are in totally different leagues. Not even fair! It's bad when you can see the spider droppings on the softbox being reflected in the eyes. Oh, wait, that was the 100/2.8 lens... OK, so it's close. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 16:56:56 2010 Received: (qmail 13985 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 14:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 14:56:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E152E18094 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0E7E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC56B38C80 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63FBE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1155481gya.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.139 with SMTP id b11mr477594ibx.49.1272898508477; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:55:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 13e934bd038fa728 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 16:56:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdee438172673900897491 A good gust of wind with flying embers in a crowded neighborhood? You bet, all those trucks are needed. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 17:20:04 2010 Received: (qmail 23401 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC2FE180B2 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E89E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04823B38C80 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC9B38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3284051iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.139 with SMTP id q11mr211258iby.63.1272899991643; Mon, 03 May 2010 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543256678.17440601272845727178.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4BDD303C.1040906@gmail.com> <543256678.17440601272845727178.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:19:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f8cb645d26740de Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT Sugar beets (was OT Liverpool) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 17:20:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdee9a4324391946193717 > > And, our once teenage offspring are now pushing thirty, schnozz. > And my offspring's teenage years are imminent. One is only a handful of days away from being officially classified as such and the other is showing signs of the impending doom. It wouldn't be so bad, except they are too much like their parents. Hehehehe... Their parents can do a good job of out-teening the teens, though. They have to tell us to turn the stereo down. (being half deaf does NOT have anything to do with it). We've both taken to listening to hip-hop... Some things just ain't right--a preacher mom who listens to hip-hop? I wonder what a Ford Flex would look like as a low-rider with a chopped roofline? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 18:06:07 2010 Received: (qmail 20499 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 16:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 16:06:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CA7E180C2 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A67EE24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B16B38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34A3E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o43G5p0R011147 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:05:55 GMT Message-ID: <7DB6DE88B72E4CA3B43EC0AEDB558B9D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:05:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 18:06:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdef46f143251560218263 Ken, I think the problem with SLR lenses on an M body would be focusing. Perhaps a wide used with zone focusing would be ok. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar > > >> My OM-1 keeps dragging me out of Leica-land. One "L" (Linhof) is >> surely enough :-) >> > > > The Leica M-digital something or the other model is on my short-list of > digital camera acquisitions. So far, absolutely nothing else has even a > remote bit of interest to me. Unless Olympus or somebody else comes up > with > a 0.5x teleconverter that maintains half the optical traits of full-frame > 35mm, I see no compelling reason to continue this masquerade called > "Four-Thirds". I may very well have purchased my last camera in that > mount. > > But my reasoning is specific and personal. > > Is there an OM to M adaptor? I'd love to reuse several of my Zuikos on an > M-body. > > BTW, the 50/1.4 on the L1 is just soooo purty. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 18:17:33 2010 Received: (qmail 4223 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 16:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 16:17:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4A4E1808A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9B5E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9538BB38CA8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6DAB38C80 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13476 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 16:17:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-0, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 18:17:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdef71d261081234514069 Fortunately, it wasn't very windy. But I was shocked to see the newspaper's staff photo of the incident on the front page this morning. Any one of mine would have been immensely better. His photo appears to have been taken from the end of the street and on the same side as the house. It didn't even show the house... just one truck, a couple of people and some smoke rising above the roofs of the foreground houses. Could be he got there very early and maybe the area was heavily cordoned off? Maybe he took his shot and beat it back to the office to meet the press deadline. That's all I can think of for such a poor shot. I was able to get within about 50 yards of the scene and on the opposite side of the street. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > A good gust of wind with flying embers in a crowded neighborhood? You bet, > all those trucks are needed. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 18:42:29 2010 Received: (qmail 11686 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A5CE18093 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F47E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52C2E4720E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84543E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3376006iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.59.203 with SMTP id m11mr955298ibh.72.1272904940543; Mon, 03 May 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDEF715.2050400@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDEF715.2050400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:42:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9e2eac8ff808a822 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 18:42:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdefcf5113711612113968 > > Fortunately, it wasn't very windy. But I was shocked to see the > newspaper's staff photo of the incident on the front page this morning. > I grew up with "If it bleeds, it leads" news coverage. I was also taught that if you cover a news event, cover what actually happened. The news coverage here in Iowa is of a different mentality. Almost never do you actually see the burning house, the crashed car or whatever it is that happened--what you get are images of the flashing lights of a police cruiser. Personally, I find that rather offensive. Don't waste my time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 19:54:17 2010 Received: (qmail 26267 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1E4E180A6 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D41BE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B2E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A17E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so3052366qyk.10 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.4.200 with SMTP id 8mr6513470qas.250.1272909243358; Mon, 03 May 2010 10:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDEF715.2050400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 19:54:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf0dc9284047801554290 You'd rather see bloody victims? I find it offensive when photographs intrude on people in traumatic situations in the name of news. I may need to know there has been an accident on the interstate, but I don't need to see people on stretchers or mangled bodies to get the point across. For me, this falls into the 'just because we can doesn't mean we should' category. My two cents as a non-native living in Iowa. Paul C On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > I grew up with "If it bleeds, it leads" news coverage. I was also taught > that if you cover a news event, cover what actually happened. > > The news coverage here in Iowa is of a different mentality. Almost never do > you actually see the burning house, the crashed car or whatever it is that > happened--what you get are images of the flashing lights of a police > cruiser. > > Personally, I find that rather offensive. Don't waste my time. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 21:09:37 2010 Received: (qmail 6816 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 19:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 19:09:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B4E180B5 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0C5E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E57D34AC030 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B0334AC02B for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1304939gya.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.160.135 with SMTP id n7mr955806ibx.26.1272913766037; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDEF715.2050400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:09:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 641168edc25c7395 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 21:09:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf1f71161315683411216 > > You'd rather see bloody victims? I find it offensive when photographs > intrude on people in traumatic situations in the name of news. I may need > to know there has been an accident on the interstate, but I don't need to > see people on stretchers or mangled bodies to get the point across. For > me, > this falls into the 'just because we can doesn't mean we should' category. > Not necessarily, but why even bother to send a camera crew out? Doesn't KCCI and WHO already have thousands of hours of file-footing of cruisers, helicopters, ambulances and firetrucks just sitting there? And then, they have to go manufacture news by interviewing a bystander that arrived after the news crew got there saying "Oh how awful". "Breaking News: Watch this ambulance drive down the road with it's lights on! Now we return you to the final gotcha scene of CSI--Oops, sorry, you missed it." I don't need to see the blood and guts, but please don't waste my time. It's really no different than Sports Illustrated showing pictures of the celebration after the win instead of a picture of the winning plays. Scrum photos are what leads. There are alternative ways to present the breaking news without insulting us. Weegee would never have been able to make it in today's news coverage. How about all those Pulitzer winning photographs from the past? There was recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. That photo would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's iconic photo of Robert Kennedy laying on the floor? These are photographs of tragic events, but without these photographs, we as a society may not change. As long as we fail to put a face to car accidents caused by drunken drivers, for example, we as a society won't take ownership in the solution. Whether or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even death, without seeing it, we have no ownership in solving the problems. At least one of our major television networks has a policy of no longer showing any footage of the 9-11 disaster because it unduly tramautizes our children. What utter hogwash. Let's not teach any history in school because there are wars in our past and we all know that wars mean gunshots, blood and death. My opinion only--excuse my venting, but this is a sore spot with me. I do understand the other side to this and I agree with some of the points, but on balance I believe it's misguided thinking. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 21:46:30 2010 Received: (qmail 3635 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 19:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 19:46:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A22E180AB for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF689E24105 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78554E4720D for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAE9E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13987 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@80.30.125.24) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 19:38:53 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:38:51 +0200 Message-Id: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Copenhagen sprin X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 21:46:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf2816103641234514069 A selection of pics from my trip to Copenhagen last week. No Little Mermaid, they have lent her to the Chinese, just as well. Lots of other good stuff, I think: http://www.frozenlight.eu/cph%5Fspring%5F2010/ As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 22:22:25 2010 Received: (qmail 11425 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 20:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 20:22:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE16E180C7 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57D7E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C506A34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF82734AC027 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so3634841iwn.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.153.130 with SMTP id k2mr1760387ibw.78.1272917575949; Mon, 03 May 2010 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:12:55 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a509fefd7251483f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Passing of the guard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 22:22:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3081265124877110844 Excuse my sharing, but I get a big worked up over some of these things... Today is a milestone of sorts. My second ever brand-new lens purchase has now found a new home. Yes, the DZ 14-54 is winging its way to the left coast to find new life with another photographer. This lens has been kinda like family, as it came with the E-1 and has had nearly 40,000 pictures taken through it. But, alas, photon-wear has kicked in and it no longer is the sweetheart it once was. OK, so it really is, but the newly arrived PanaLeica 14-50 is the preferred FourThirds lens. I'll miss the weather-sealing, that little extra reach of 54mm and the decent ergonomics of the lens. Shoot, it even was sized about right with a nice weight. Yesterday afternoon, few hours were spent doing lens testing to compare the goodness of the various lenses with overlapping focal-lengths to benchmark the sharpness and bokeh at various apertures. I was reminded as to why this lens is so popular, because it's center-sharpness is pretty much second to none. However, the 14-50 just takes that center sharpness and applies it across the entire image area with no visible coma distortion. It's been a fun ride and I changed my mind about selling it at least 10 times. But nearly 3000 pictures with the 14-50 this past week has shown me that it's absolutely OK to move on. Anyway, I digress. I promise not to go negative here. The 14-54 remains a highly recommended lens and offers distinct advantages over the PanaLeica, but one of them had to go. No regrets.... ...really! AG Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 22:25:24 2010 Received: (qmail 15710 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 20:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 20:25:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA14E180AA for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82F3E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F88D34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D4934AC039 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1O92BV-0003Yo-DB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 21:24:09 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1O92BU-0007G7-UR for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 03 May 2010 21:24:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4BDF30EB.9070908@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 21:24:11 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Copenhagen sprin X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 22:25:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3134131471073733319 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A selection of pics from my trip to Copenhagen last week. No Little Mermaid, they have lent her to the Chinese, just as well. Lots of other good stuff, I think: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/cph%5Fspring%5F2010/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan The Dalmatian wins! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 22:52:23 2010 Received: (qmail 21704 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 20:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 20:52:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8BEE180A1 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F24DE24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0013634AC03A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4056434AC03C for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16355 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 20:52:14 -0000 Message-Id: <76543C8D-F966-470F-A81C-A72E46902B8F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:52:14 +1000 References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 22:52:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3787249231073733319 Under pressure from their wives? :-) I always remember the story of Sir Richard Burton's wife making a bonfire of his writing and collected 'stuff' after he died because she disapproved. A lot was lost that day. I think art and porn are mutually exclusive terms. Lines get blurred with art porn or erotic art but if the intent is to produce art then it ain't porn, no matter how explicit. It may be offensive or explicit but it has a 'narrative'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/05/2010, at 10:39 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > Such art subjects didn't become taboo until Victorian men declared > it as > such. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:01:48 2010 Received: (qmail 1191 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7805E180B2 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8297E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5AFE47208 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144A2E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17724 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:01:36 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:01:35 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:01:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf39bc190221220213263 There was a lot of bad press on this lens when the G system was current. Many had difficulty getting consistent focus with a G1. I suspect most of it was due to poor technique rather than equipment. Nevertheless, the mud stuck. The prince of the G lenses was the standard 45mm Planar - great optic, lovely character to it. The mount is gone - probably binned. It's a bit clumsy I think compared to a proper focus ring. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/05/2010, at 11:28 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hmm... Zeiss Contaxt-mount 90mm f/2.8. > > There are many people who would have considered this lens the > "best of the best" available, at any price, even compared to > Leica M. > > I can't believe it's so cheap. Such a pity the Contax G-system > used their own proprietary lens mount, otherwise a lot of people > would be buying these to use on their Leica M's. Then this lens > would cost a lot more than the paltry $179 BIN this seller wants. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:06:01 2010 Received: (qmail 22472 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E41E1809A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17225E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1890834AC03A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575FF34AC031 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17733 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:02:31 -0000 Message-Id: <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:02:30 +1000 References: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:06:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3ab9154201234514069 I still live in (very) faint hope of a digital G. Would that not be nice?! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 12:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, I'm sad for the system. I really enjoyed using my G1 and G2 > and lenses. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:06:01 2010 Received: (qmail 28513 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:06:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC93E180C4 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBB4E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D358BE4720D for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F82E4720A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17829 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:05:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6CAAEFDB-F7BF-4989-BD25-DA5D6FEE203B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:05:04 +1000 References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:06:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3ab9161982517112723 One of my most useful tools - especially in the studio with a white background that I want to blow out while not having blow outs on the subject. I shot a bodybuilder the other day and he oiled up - that was tricky. Lots of body flare points to control. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 12:11 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > In addition, you can set the monitor on your E-3, along with many > (most?) digital cameras, to display blown highlights in the review > as well as in the playback modes. If I see too many flashing tell- > tales, I adjust the exposure compensation and re-shoot. It's the > work of only a moment. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:14:25 2010 Received: (qmail 8819 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37890E1808F for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61730E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA71E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEEDE47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1383227gwj.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.172.7 with SMTP id u7mr10113447ybe.248.1272921249994; Mon, 03 May 2010 14:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.192.10 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bcb6535b9e99d832 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Sharing a house with an non-photographer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:14:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3cb158127801554290 Friday evening I was prepping my gear for a senior portrait shoot the next morning when I grabbed my polarizer in case I needed to kill off some lumens for DoF purposes. (good call) Anyway, my issue with filters is that they get so gunky. This one was no exception. It was hazy, streaked and generally just yucky. So I took a lens tissue to it and breathed on it a few times. Nada. Well, Karen volunteers to grab cleaning fluid. As most of the household wears corrective lenses of one form or another, I was prepared for a little bottle of cleaning fluid. But no...... Before I realized it (I was turned looking the other direction while holding onto the filter) she proceeded to drown the poor filter with at least three shots of "Windex" window cleaner. It was dripping the green stuff and flowing down my arm. It took me a half dozen sheets of tissue to get it all absorbed and cleaned up, but man-alive, that filter is better than new! Amazing! She asked if there was anything else needing cleaning, which I answered very quickly "NO!!!!!!" AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:27:45 2010 Received: (qmail 29575 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:27:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBEBE18090 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463D7E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350F1E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:27:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C57E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 40230 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 21:27:33 -0000 Message-ID: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GxP_hOMVM1kYt_0PcyHzs670bSdemXe8xCQJvlAS8caB8np _wvpaEoqJcj4E5jZi1Df3E_zC5H.ikPbun85Iar42OWJpHzPsEHYnHP5kOGW s7aJvbONSMroFI8lK2hLatLfTMkNHh2kSEvqPwag6CTvXI6uEqDiiyWNIIG6 xOv9ogOx3cm3lXy9W1SyxarNGpLpNBFSbfP_COU_QS10BwGFyorMLd7Z74rQ Nmx_dTSnsI7BGd0wdk6FK8LJ_MmB_3SsXiE_mqeuinX0cPF4Rt4OW1GOzLl7 fi2UK90uqMiC3dOaA599uRMfXpGtG6SvZrE8C7NyPpcc- Received: from [86.138.141.80] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 21:27:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:27:33 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:27:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf3fd110012013633067 I completely agree Ken. photography is a powerful tool for social/ change. The Israeli government are past masters at covering up their atrocities = against Palestinian CIVILIANS. = Until the photographic evidence of maimed civilians and children is shown= the government will continue to peddle their propaganda. It is difficult t= o explain away photographs of dead and maimed children as a just response! I do not think it is co-incidental that the Israeli government does everyth= ing in it's power to obstruct international journalists/photographers whene= ver it decides to take military action! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK > Weegee would never have been able to make it in today's > news coverage. > = > How about all those Pulitzer winning photographs from the > past?=A0 There was > recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby shooting > Oswald. That photo > would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's iconic photo > of Robert Kennedy > laying on the floor? These are photographs of tragic > events, but without > these photographs, we as a society may not change. > = > As long as we fail to put a face to car accidents caused by > drunken drivers, > for example, we as a society won't take ownership in the > solution. Whether > or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even death, without > seeing it, we have > no ownership in solving the problems. > = > At least one of our major television networks has a policy > of no longer > showing any footage of the 9-11 disaster because it unduly > tramautizes our > children. What utter hogwash. Let's not teach any history > in school because > there are wars in our past and we all know that wars mean > gunshots, blood > and death. > = > My opinion only--excuse my venting, but this is a sore spot > with me. I do > understand the other side to this and I agree with some of > the points, but > on balance I believe it's misguided thinking. > = > AG > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:30:08 2010 Received: (qmail 15384 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B432E18085 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECAAE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0E4E4720A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0820E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19523 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:28:56 -0000 Message-Id: <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:28:55 +1000 References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:30:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf40605795683411216 Good grief - will you guys NEVER get over that? It's not as if it was bowled underarm! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 12:22 AM, David Thatcher wrote: > Strewth... first they steal the Adelaide Formula One Grand Prix, & > now > this...! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:30:09 2010 Received: (qmail 27709 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0FBE180AB for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DFBE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD7DE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D82E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3059 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 21:29:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2010 21:29:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4BDF404E.1020008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:29:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100503-1, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Copenhagen sprin X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:30:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf4060279496107113666 There are about 1/2 dozen here that I really like but I don't think I = can mention all of them. My favorite is "Mother and Daughter in the = Park" but I'd have preferred a bit more foreground such that the flowers = are rooted in the ground. "Barbershop..." and "Statue and Human" are = very attractive. Also, "The coast in Humleb=E6k..." has a strange = attraction for me I can't quite define. Maybe it's the small child = against the immense scene. "Waiting" really grabbed my attention since = I must admit that it doesn't look like the dog is waiting but rather = trying to read about smartphones. There are a couple more that I've = missed but this is enough. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A selection of pics from my trip to Copenhagen last week. No Little > Mermaid, they have lent her to the Chinese, just as well. Lots of > other good stuff, I think: > = > http://www.frozenlight.eu/cph%5Fspring%5F2010/ > = > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > = > Nathan > = > Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu = > http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com > = > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 = > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: > http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > = > = > = > = > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:34:22 2010 Received: (qmail 9781 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:34:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6ADE180B6 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21714E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15191E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46701E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19796 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:33:53 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:33:53 +1000 References: <582EF0F1-1174-4302-9544-C7DE73868F04@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Bokeh Guitar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:34:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf415e112501950411718 I thought Stephen Gandy at www.cameraquest.com stocked one but he doesn't have it listed any more. It had a tricky focussing regime as I recall. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 12:17 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Is there an OM to M adaptor? I'd love to reuse several of my Zuikos > on an > M-body. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:36:26 2010 Received: (qmail 21483 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:36:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B88E18086 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49630E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3611FE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE088E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6545 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2010 21:34:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-1, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sharing a house with an non-photographer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:36:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf41da76411342116753 Windex is the preferred lens cleaner by camera repair technician/author Thomas Tomosy... but generally applied more sparingly. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Friday evening I was prepping my gear for a senior portrait shoot the next > morning when I grabbed my polarizer in case I needed to kill off some lumens > for DoF purposes. (good call) > > Anyway, my issue with filters is that they get so gunky. This one was no > exception. It was hazy, streaked and generally just yucky. So I took a lens > tissue to it and breathed on it a few times. Nada. Well, Karen volunteers > to grab cleaning fluid. As most of the household wears corrective lenses of > one form or another, I was prepared for a little bottle of cleaning fluid. > > But no...... > > Before I realized it (I was turned looking the other direction while holding > onto the filter) she proceeded to drown the poor filter with at least three > shots of "Windex" window cleaner. It was dripping the green stuff and > flowing down my arm. It took me a half dozen sheets of tissue to get it all > absorbed and cleaned up, but man-alive, that filter is better than new! > Amazing! > > She asked if there was anything else needing cleaning, which I answered very > quickly "NO!!!!!!" > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:40:25 2010 Received: (qmail 23079 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:40:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD72DE180A4 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D283EE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2776E47208 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A297E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19893 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:36:20 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:36:20 +1000 References: <4BDE1779.3020400@chucknorcutt.com> <1110C004-50C9-4A2C-822C-326A16D9DFB6@threeshoes.net> <4BDECB69.9090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDEF715.2050400@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:40:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf42c9258981879814018 It does have a deterrent effect - drive safe advertising here can be confronting in the extreme. Then of course there's the WeeGee tradition - show the corpse. Or was that 'art'? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 3:54 AM, Paul Cox wrote: > You'd rather see bloody victims? I find it offensive when photographs > intrude on people in traumatic situations in the name of news. I > may need > to know there has been an accident on the interstate, but I don't > need to > see people on stretchers or mangled bodies to get the point across. > For me, > this falls into the 'just because we can doesn't mean we should' > category. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:54:53 2010 Received: (qmail 23222 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:54:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F95E180A4 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87720E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BB334AC04A for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4080134AC046 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20431 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 21:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:54:42 -0000 Message-Id: <46C9E020-125D-4590-85F2-E10FC66EB333@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:54:42 +1000 References: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:54:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf462d140892013633067 This is standard operating procedure by any government - the British government controlled the images and info coming out of the Falklands very well indeed and that's now become the norm (embedding for instance). Not the place to open this can of worms John, except in a very general sense, and not the place to push a barrow of this type. In this way, flame wars are triggered and they cannot be easily controlled. We know...but take it elsewhere. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 7:27 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > I completely agree Ken. > photography is a powerful tool for social/ change. > > The Israeli government are past masters at covering up their > atrocities against Palestinian CIVILIANS. > Until the photographic evidence of maimed civilians and children is > shown the government will continue to peddle their propaganda. It is > difficult to explain away photographs of dead and maimed children as > a just response! > > I do not think it is co-incidental that the Israeli government does > everything in it's power to obstruct international journalists/ > photographers whenever it decides to take military action! > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > > > > >> Weegee would never have been able to make it in today's >> news coverage. >> >> How about all those Pulitzer winning photographs from the >> past? There was >> recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby shooting >> Oswald. That photo >> would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's iconic photo >> of Robert Kennedy >> laying on the floor? These are photographs of tragic >> events, but without >> these photographs, we as a society may not change. >> >> As long as we fail to put a face to car accidents caused by >> drunken drivers, >> for example, we as a society won't take ownership in the >> solution. Whether >> or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even death, without >> seeing it, we have >> no ownership in solving the problems. >> >> At least one of our major television networks has a policy >> of no longer >> showing any footage of the 9-11 disaster because it unduly >> tramautizes our >> children. What utter hogwash. Let's not teach any history >> in school because >> there are wars in our past and we all know that wars mean >> gunshots, blood >> and death. >> >> My opinion only--excuse my venting, but this is a sore spot >> with me. I do >> understand the other side to this and I agree with some of >> the points, but >> on balance I believe it's misguided thinking. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 3 23:57:31 2010 Received: (qmail 7408 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 21:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 21:57:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DDBE180AA for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C3E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3723BE47208 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CB5E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1405392gwj.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.14.5 with SMTP id 5mr11377118ybn.17.1272923689084; Mon, 03 May 2010 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.192.10 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:54:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 19f97d338448057a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 3 23:57:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf46ca56281234514069 > The Israeli government are past masters at covering up their atrocities against Palestinian CIVILIANS. As are many governments in covering up the atrocities against people both foreign and domestic. "Kent State" was 40 years ago, now. I can imagine that there was more than one government agency that would have liked to have destroyed a particular reel of 8mm film. The Israelis are far from alone in this. I'm sure you'd find it difficult to find any "civilized" nation that doesn't attempt to cover something up. It's part of our human nature. Ever seen a toddler hide his undershorts after having an "accident"? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 00:22:51 2010 Received: (qmail 4484 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 22:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 22:22:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA17DE180A1 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2271BE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E358CE47208 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7A7E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o43MMfud012420 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:22:41 +1000 Message-Id: <201005032222.o43MMfud012420@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 04 May 2010 08:22:41 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:22:41 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 00:22:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf4cbb244661950411718 > David Thatcher wrote: > > On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 08:39:51AM -0400, John Hermanson wrote: > > Such art subjects didn't become taboo until Victorian men declared it > as > > such. > > > Strewth... first they steal the Adelaide Formula One Grand Prix, & now > this...! > I hear the New South Welshmen are trying to steal the F-1 GP from us and they've probably got all the porography they need too ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 00:40:55 2010 Received: (qmail 12466 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 22:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 22:40:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D66E18088 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8056E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99640E47207 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029D9E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71491 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 22:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <469897.68913.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HlyJVq0VM1mlndVVsx0aR0VUmz710gxycpYO1v4zUcQwXLd o9M.i2Zz5B5UE.iKzInAjy37fyK1XUAXYoXiPttTyXaQzJ_UwdWgY1sn8eI6 lQLIrJwhylYoeEpM368AY_w5nOsfRjX2cBOez5gCXgzW2LJ7S0ulr7yZNa_q pzGIhe1nwqQt_tR_3NfdlaScQdpJOATVE8ePJ7Y.qNizlzw_0S855ebcho1e XxphVmqs2apgx8iGjeX.G6gxvRrRY_BHxASUBej6aKmh.G5Md6SVPEbw4q4h nbxszChB5TrZaCPMJ35ChRMj7X9bir4R6PbZrYMoqbA8- Received: from [86.138.141.80] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:40:47 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:40:47 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 00:40:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf50f7142901950411718 I agree Ken, I was using that as an illustration. I just feel that a FREE P= RESS has a duty to show things that perhaps Governments would prefer not to= see the light of day. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Mon, 3/5/10, Ken Norton wrote: > From: Ken Norton > Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, 3 May, 2010, 22:54 > > The Israeli government are past > masters at covering up their atrocities > against Palestinian=A0 CIVILIANS. > = > = > As are many governments in covering up the atrocities > against people both > foreign and domestic. "Kent State" was 40 years ago, > now.=A0 I can imagine > that there was more than one government agency that would > have liked to have > destroyed a particular reel of 8mm film. > = > The Israelis are far from alone in this. I'm sure you'd > find it difficult to > find any "civilized" nation that doesn't attempt to cover > something up. > = > It's part of our human nature. Ever seen a toddler hide his > undershorts > after having an "accident"? > = > AG > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 00:43:50 2010 Received: (qmail 23461 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 22:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 22:43:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E480DE180AC for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BFCE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994C334AC032 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A603610001 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.89]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 89139 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 22:43:42 -0000 Message-ID: <142233.87727.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: P5Tzb14VM1mIqyfCJ7LMzHHyhbfHZl4rgBfArxeqUDZ.WRO pjNQ_lpGWC8yMfPzZIGkC3jDr9b6ZCQSCKW46jicHpYUPz4hOyiE18lZJgnH mHZxXavtsEMtDrU1SIXiZ5zyOf9xMBNQ3gZU7psY51uz_Tnm1IqWj7prxIIw RTAomfou1TTMf_OyGJCx.KCZwhdtI3TFgFq82ObGwwf6NrTXZuSWQNs9cssU Gu9azoF2jhQOFhAiDmGKF5aTeyZXWyvvUZhsNcUGmpmSQF.hvxh.qM0H.Si_ dnvtlicX2fRlyIJDYX2fv3VtVf5dJL4bEnbVVaw-- Received: from [86.138.141.80] by web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:43:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:43:41 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <46C9E020-125D-4590-85F2-E10FC66EB333@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 00:43:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf51a6318462517112723 Andrew, as I replied to Ken, ALL goverments have their dirty secrets and I = feel strongly that it is the duty of a free press to try to expose them. Last comment I will make on this On list! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Mon, 3/5/10, Andrew Fildes wrote: > From: Andrew Fildes > Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, 3 May, 2010, 22:54 > This is standard operating procedure > by any government - the British=A0 = > government controlled the images and info coming out of the > Falklands=A0 = > very well indeed and that's now become the norm (embedding > for=A0 = > instance). > Not the place to open this can of worms John, except in a > very general=A0 = > sense, and not the place to push a barrow of this type. > In this way, flame wars are triggered and they cannot be > easily=A0 = > controlled. > We know...but take it elsewhere. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > = > = > = > On 04/05/2010, at 7:27 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > = > > I completely agree Ken. > >=A0=A0=A0photography is a powerful tool for > social/ change. > > > >=A0=A0=A0The Israeli government are past > masters at covering up their=A0 = > > atrocities against Palestinian=A0 CIVILIANS. > >=A0 Until the photographic evidence of maimed > civilians and children is=A0 = > > shown the government will continue to peddle their > propaganda. It is=A0 = > > difficult to explain away photographs of dead and > maimed children as=A0 = > > a just response! > > > > I do not think it is co-incidental that the Israeli > government does=A0 = > > everything in it's power to obstruct international > journalists/ = > > photographers whenever it decides to take military > action! > > > > Regards > >=A0 John Duggan, > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weegee would never have been able to make it in > today's > >> news coverage. > >> > >> How about all those Pulitzer winning photographs > from the > >> past?=A0 There was > >> recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby > shooting > >> Oswald. That photo > >> would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's > iconic photo > >> of Robert Kennedy > >> laying on the floor? These are photographs of > tragic > >> events, but without > >> these photographs, we as a society may not > change. > >> > >> As long as we fail to put a face to car accidents > caused by > >> drunken drivers, > >> for example, we as a society won't take ownership > in the > >> solution. Whether > >> or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even death, > without > >> seeing it, we have > >> no ownership in solving the problems. > >> > >> At least one of our major television networks has > a policy > >> of no longer > >> showing any footage of the 9-11 disaster because > it unduly > >> tramautizes our > >> children. What utter hogwash. Let's not teach any > history > >> in school because > >> there are wars in our past and we all know that > wars mean > >> gunshots, blood > >> and death. > >> > >> My opinion only--excuse my venting, but this is a > sore spot > >> with me. I do > >> understand the other side to this and I agree with > some of > >> the points, but > >> on balance I believe it's misguided thinking. > >> > >> AG > >> -- = > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- = > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 00:45:16 2010 Received: (qmail 2484 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 22:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 22:45:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D7DE18093 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE799E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF99E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB605E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 73403 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 22:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <943161.70795.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QD4kuvwVM1mNvs8x6S2Uh73UDX5qCGW7Eb0KYLdZf2DiCRe jlBoBPt7Z35K4qNO6gZZGFOEjEFPORloZjVO94Em147pdRL54b9baO6VXQrE ctNL9EBYyp7Yw4CeO025NOOrYnvTnkmiNEi5zGDe1z.QOxkqgn99lqra5cSc l.vl0X6tEqWfOV9xfl.WJ3KV9Vg_1zGzlyRSynRL9WyEMom44B6JW4cu5qcH TDkLgT4ilAicxoghZ6fKV.8pec4O3UTcxHXV3cL1BtLOx8EH0hU2o.6PEMrB D44oij2BjacNMi5LWlm0A1OXUJepFk_b3TYIHZA-- Received: from [86.138.141.80] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:45:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:45:01 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <142233.87727.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 00:45:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf51fc25096107113666 Sorry..to clarify.....Last post I will make on this SUBJECT... Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Mon, 3/5/10, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > From: JOHN DUGGAN > Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, 3 May, 2010, 23:43 > Andrew, as I replied to Ken, ALL > goverments have their dirty secrets and I feel strongly that > it is the duty of a free press to try to expose them. > Last comment I will make on this On list! > Regards > =A0 John Duggan, > =A0 =A0=A0=A0Wales, UK > = > = > --- On Mon, 3/5/10, Andrew Fildes > wrote: > = > > From: Andrew Fildes > > Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Date: Monday, 3 May, 2010, 22:54 > > This is standard operating procedure > > by any government - the British=A0 = > > government controlled the images and info coming out > of the > > Falklands=A0 = > > very well indeed and that's now become the norm > (embedding > > for=A0 = > > instance). > > Not the place to open this can of worms John, except > in a > > very general=A0 = > > sense, and not the place to push a barrow of this > type. > > In this way, flame wars are triggered and they cannot > be > > easily=A0 = > > controlled. > > We know...but take it elsewhere. > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > > = > > = > > = > > On 04/05/2010, at 7:27 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > = > > > I completely agree Ken. > > >=A0=A0=A0photography is a powerful tool for > > social/ change. > > > > > >=A0=A0=A0The Israeli government are past > > masters at covering up their=A0 = > > > atrocities against Palestinian=A0 CIVILIANS. > > >=A0 Until the photographic evidence of maimed > > civilians and children is=A0 = > > > shown the government will continue to peddle > their > > propaganda. It is=A0 = > > > difficult to explain away photographs of dead > and > > maimed children as=A0 = > > > a just response! > > > > > > I do not think it is co-incidental that the > Israeli > > government does=A0 = > > > everything in it's power to obstruct > international > > journalists/ = > > > photographers whenever it decides to take > military > > action! > > > > > > Regards > > >=A0 John Duggan, > > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Wales, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weegee would never have been able to make it > in > > today's > > >> news coverage. > > >> > > >> How about all those Pulitzer winning > photographs > > from the > > >> past?=A0 There was > > >> recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby > > shooting > > >> Oswald. That photo > > >> would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's > > iconic photo > > >> of Robert Kennedy > > >> laying on the floor? These are photographs > of > > tragic > > >> events, but without > > >> these photographs, we as a society may not > > change. > > >> > > >> As long as we fail to put a face to car > accidents > > caused by > > >> drunken drivers, > > >> for example, we as a society won't take > ownership > > in the > > >> solution. Whether > > >> or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even > death, > > without > > >> seeing it, we have > > >> no ownership in solving the problems. > > >> > > >> At least one of our major television networks > has > > a policy > > >> of no longer > > >> showing any footage of the 9-11 disaster > because > > it unduly > > >> tramautizes our > > >> children. What utter hogwash. Let's not teach > any > > history > > >> in school because > > >> there are wars in our past and we all know > that > > wars mean > > >> gunshots, blood > > >> and death. > > >> > > >> My opinion only--excuse my venting, but this > is a > > sore spot > > >> with me. I do > > >> understand the other side to this and I agree > with > > some of > > >> the points, but > > >> on balance I believe it's misguided > thinking. > > >> > > >> AG > > >> -- = > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- = > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > > = > > -- = > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > = > > = > = > = > =A0 =A0 =A0 = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 00:54:41 2010 Received: (qmail 22277 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 22:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 22:54:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6ACE18090 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7411E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F0CE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F97E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 15:54:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o43MsZjf022649; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:38 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:54:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 00:54:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf5431148761234514069 After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the house. The color caught my eye. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 01:34:06 2010 Received: (qmail 22759 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2010 23:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2010 23:34:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CC7E180A3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28193E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB1D34AC04C for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E5234AC048 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1444910gwj.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 16:33:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.8 with SMTP id r8mr10160580ybc.2.1272929633329; Mon, 03 May 2010 16:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.69.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:33:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6CAAEFDB-F7BF-4989-BD25-DA5D6FEE203B@people.net.au> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> <6CAAEFDB-F7BF-4989-BD25-DA5D6FEE203B@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:33:52 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 01:34:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf5d6e122404877110844 Hmm. No eager calls for links on this one. Are we that shallow? I am. Links please, Andrew! ;) Cheers, Marc (Not really that shallow - just picturing a photographic "David") On Tuesday, May 4, 2010, Andrew Fildes wrote: > One of my most useful tools - especially in the studio with a white > background that I want to blow out while not having blow outs on the > subject. I shot a bodybuilder the other day and he oiled up - that was > tricky. Lots of body flare points to control. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 02:02:03 2010 Received: (qmail 3513 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 00:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 00:02:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C611EE180DB for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F41E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68AA34AC040 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636E34AC032 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4401jH2020878 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:01:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.bc1.6c24fc36 (34934) for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-5c464bdf63e3282; Mon, 03 May 2010 20:01:42 -0400 Received: from webmail-m020 (webmail-m020.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.104]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c464bdf63e3282; Mon, 03 May 2010 20:01:39 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:01:39 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 May 2010 20:01:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCB9341AF78FFF-1864-5E54@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 02:02:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf63fb135151612113968 Thanks for commenting. I doubt I will ever not check again, but an insurance policy is never a bad idea. Doohicky sounds good to me. This OM2 has been through thick and thin and not once has malfunctioned--still hasn't, but the operator did. Double drat for not checking, timing could not have been worse. Any of the other OM cams I have would have been fine. Mike Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent some studio flashes from firing. Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in behind the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I have some of those. ________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 02:34:37 2010 Received: (qmail 6191 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 00:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 00:34:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD9E18090 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52800E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48465E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9C5E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f199.google.com (mail-qy0-f199.google.com [209.85.221.199]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so4045252qyk.22 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.59.223 with SMTP id m31mr4641278qah.63.1272933269027; Mon, 03 May 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:34:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: House fire photos / photography for social change X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 02:34:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf6b9d76021950411718 Thoughtful comments Ken and others. I agree that photography can be a powerful tool for social change. I just don't like to see people taken advantage of for the purpose of sensationalistic 'journalism' - I'm thinking here about what passes too frequently for 'news' in the U.S., and is often associated not so much with photography, but with someone getting a video camera stuck in their face and being asked how they feel that their spouse was just murdered, or some such asinine question. As you Ken, just my person feelings, and it strikes a bit of a chord with me as well. That's the last I'll say, as I'd rather talk about how I can improve my photography skills and learn from all the experience on the list. Paul C Weegee would never have been able to make it in today's news coverage. > > How about all those Pulitzer winning photographs from the past? There was > recent discussion of the photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. That photo > would never run now. What about Boris Yaro's iconic photo of Robert Kennedy > laying on the floor? These are photographs of tragic events, but without > these photographs, we as a society may not change. > > As long as we fail to put a face to car accidents caused by drunken > drivers, > for example, we as a society won't take ownership in the solution. Whether > or not we WANT to see blood, guts and even death, without seeing it, we > have > no ownership in solving the problems. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 04:58:07 2010 Received: (qmail 2719 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 02:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 02:58:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E772E1808F for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0827CE24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B66E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CBDE47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23640 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 02:57:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100503-1, 05/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 04:58:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf8d3f59821234514069 Very pretty. And so large looking it appears to have been laid by a 5 pound robin. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain > and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of > rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had > fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the > house. The color caught my eye. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 05:00:42 2010 Received: (qmail 10246 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 03:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 03:00:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9281DE180A9 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E70E24AA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BECE47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F22E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4430Vll003574 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:00:34 GMT Message-ID: <754C5769FF3740B2BD0F95B07D99C3A3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4BDF8D33.7060508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:00:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 05:00:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf8dda285761413256596 Hi Chuck. Yeah, I kept downsizing it, but finally decided to leave it alone. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg > Very pretty. And so large looking it appears to have been laid by a 5 > pound robin. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain >> and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of >> rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had >> fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the >> house. The color caught my eye. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 05:21:15 2010 Received: (qmail 23113 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 03:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 03:21:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AC4E18095 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEB7E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA1834AC028 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171A734AC027 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BD312001D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:07 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4A7120018 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:06 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C502116E90 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:06 +0930 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBE1116E93 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:05 +0930 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7D8CCEBC3D; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:05 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:05 +0930 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.130 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:13513 -> 64.62.209.31:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 9c1aac1ffe054bdf92a554f640 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 29/4/2010: pornographic Snow White X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 05:21:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdf92ab28071946193717 It's funny, there is a beer ad on the telly at the moment that whines about it - it's been 15 years FFS... they parody the big red ball of string 'come to Victoria' ad... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xDPP_WEsEo I think that beer is rubbish, anyway. davidt On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 07:28:55AM +1000, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Good grief - will you guys NEVER get over that? > It's not as if it was bowled underarm! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > On 04/05/2010, at 12:22 AM, David Thatcher wrote: > > Strewth... first they steal the Adelaide Formula One Grand Prix, & > > now this...! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 07:46:16 2010 Received: (qmail 15645 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 05:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 05:46:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53737E180BC for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B277FE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F54E47203 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33650E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so2209783wyf.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.77 with SMTP id b13mr647162wbw.13.1272951968373; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm40832576wbb.8.2010.05.03.22.46.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 22:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:46:06 +0100 Message-Id: <2E663336-233A-4408-B4CD-8D74BCE2BFA2@threeshoes.net> References: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 07:46:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfb4a818256789618724 Indeed! And I have seen that hope written by others in various places on the Net. But it's probably a vain one ... Chris On 3 May 2010, at 22:02, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I still live in (very) faint hope of a digital G. Would that not be > nice?! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 07:51:03 2010 Received: (qmail 4958 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 05:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 05:51:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01BE180A1 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7999CE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424F634AC026 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF31D34AC025 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so2408020wwb.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.138.72 with SMTP id z8mr795630wbt.209.1272952255558; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm40863727wbb.14.2010.05.03.22.50.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 22:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <96805A68-C345-4999-9385-079F81683B76@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Copenhagen sprin X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 07:51:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfb5c7108981950411718 Thanks, Nathan, that was enjoyable. I fancy, though, that the corkscrew on the wall denotes a wine shop rather than a barber's. But that's only a guess on my part ... :-) Chris On 3 May 2010, at 20:38, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A selection of pics from my trip to Copenhagen last week. No Little Mermaid, they have lent her to the Chinese, just as well. Lots of other good stuff, I think: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/cph%5Fspring%5F2010/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 07:54:20 2010 Received: (qmail 22222 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 05:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 05:54:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49C6E18095 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6C9E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A1BE47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1690CE47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so2409005wwb.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.200 with SMTP id a8mr695525wbj.30.1272952453295; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm47121066wbc.23.2010.05.03.22.54.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 22:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <46C9E020-125D-4590-85F2-E10FC66EB333@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:54:11 +0100 Message-Id: References: <921489.39517.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <46C9E020-125D-4590-85F2-E10FC66EB333@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 07:54:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfb68c196515683411216 Just so, John. Chris On 3 May 2010, at 22:54, Andrew Fildes wrote: > We know...but take it elsewhere. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 07:58:41 2010 Received: (qmail 23875 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 05:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 05:58:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843FEE180A3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B4AE24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA244E47205 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC228E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:58:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 22:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so2213502wyf.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.138 with SMTP id g10mr625060wbs.29.1272952713905; Mon, 03 May 2010 22:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x14sm47662192wbs.6.2010.05.03.22.58.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 May 2010 22:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:58:31 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 07:58:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfb791193473900897491 That's a lovely colour, Jim, thanks. Chris On 3 May 2010, at 23:54, Jim Nichols wrote: > After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the house. The color caught my eye. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 08:01:12 2010 Received: (qmail 30282 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 06:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 06:01:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC36CE18088 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818F0E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F22934AC027 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07EE34AC026 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4460uIB031918 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 06:00:59 GMT Message-ID: <57F6705141CD4AED84836C1942CF0035@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 01:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 08:01:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfb828269781357919056 Thanks for looking, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg > That's a lovely colour, Jim, thanks. > > Chris > > On 3 May 2010, at 23:54, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain and >> watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of rain, I >> walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had fallen from >> somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the house. The color >> caught my eye. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 08:11:15 2010 Received: (qmail 31455 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 06:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 06:11:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D90E180AB for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA46E24A9E for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56539E47202 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AA1E47201 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:11:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1518200gwj.20 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 23:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.41.19 with SMTP id t19mr2487499agj.3.1272953469244; Mon, 03 May 2010 23:11:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.69.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 23:10:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> References: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:10:49 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 08:11:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfba8347715683411216 Well, you never know...digital G, OM4D, AE1 Digital: Cheers, Marc On 4 May 2010 07:02, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I still live in (very) faint hope of a digital G. Would that not be > nice?! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 10:09:19 2010 Received: (qmail 9049 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 08:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 08:09:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE4FE18094 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 01:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B4DE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 01:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF7834AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 01:09:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5AA34AC029 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 01:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 01:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27802 invoked from network); 4 May 2010 08:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2010 08:09:08 -0000 Message-Id: <67F55F0E-3265-4740-9FC0-7CDEEB67A4EC@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:09:08 +1000 References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> <6CAAEFDB-F7BF-4989-BD25-DA5D6FEE203B@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 10:09:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfd62f161491560218263 Ereyagomate! http://www.pbase.com/afildes/jay Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2010, at 9:33 AM, Marc Lawrence wrote: > Hmm. No eager calls for links on this one. Are we that shallow? I am. > Links please, Andrew! ;) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 11:58:23 2010 Received: (qmail 13955 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 09:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 09:58:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B1FE180A4 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 02:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B911E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 02:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A081B37F70 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 02:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C967B37F67 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 02:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 02:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:46978 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9EtK-0004RT-9E for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 04:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 11:58:08 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lens material these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 11:58:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdfefbf289241234514069 I need new eye glasses, I bought some plastic ones about five years sago but was very dissapointed with the coatings which scratched relatively eassily so reverted back to my glass photochromic lenses. With 5 boys and an active life I need tough ones, This time I was thinking of getting rimless ones and asked about tough lenses. the assistant quoted polycarbonate with photochromic capabilities, however on reading on wikepedia I see that polycarbonate does not have the best optical characteristics and also has a tendency for chromatic abberation, I don't know if this is a problem in general use. I seem to recall Zeiss announcing some lens material as scratch resistant as glass but haven't seen any reviews Has anyone recently studied this recently and have some recommendations ? Thanks in advance IanW > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 12:19:59 2010 Received: (qmail 11036 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 10:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 10:19:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D80E180A7 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C798EE24AA4 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F2B37BC5 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9BAB37F70 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so1549510gwj.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 03:19:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.165.19 with SMTP id s19mr2625319ago.45.1272968388316; Tue, 04 May 2010 03:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.69.6 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 03:19:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <67F55F0E-3265-4740-9FC0-7CDEEB67A4EC@people.net.au> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BDECEA2.4070900@chucknorcutt.com> <6F4998D3-E48D-4B01-AD19-514EF23C468F@threeshoes.net> <6CAAEFDB-F7BF-4989-BD25-DA5D6FEE203B@people.net.au> <67F55F0E-3265-4740-9FC0-7CDEEB67A4EC@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:19:47 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 12:19:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bdff4cf222311946193717 Great stuff! I particularly like these: http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/124202258 http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/124202271 Cheers, Marc On Tuesday, May 4, 2010, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Ereyagomate! > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/jay > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 13:12:43 2010 Received: (qmail 6700 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 11:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 11:12:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDBDE1808D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2BE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FCF34AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA7234AC025 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:12:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 80 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <342946CB-5727-4473-8F4C-9212991C538C@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:12:30 +0200 References: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 13:12:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0012b310181879814018 Ha! Only after we get our digital Zeiss Ikon (ZM). That's the one I would put my bets on, but even for this Zeiss has all but officially stated that it is not going to happen. The G-system is dead, mate, get over it, and enjoy the low low prices :-) The prices seem to be even lower than for the (dead) OM system, because you pretty much can't use the G-mount lenses anwywhere and retain their focal length. Dawid On 03 May 2010, at 11:02 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I still live in (very) faint hope of a digital G. Would that not be > nice?! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 13:14:53 2010 Received: (qmail 17980 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 11:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 11:14:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB409E18086 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC858E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9D34AC026 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:14:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB48A34AC025 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:14:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 767 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:27:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:14:08 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 13:14:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be001ad117711073733319 All issues of lens quality aside, I find it very interesting that (on internet forums) people continue to propogate that Olympus OM lenses are somehow "larger" than Leica M lenses, simply because the Leica enthusiasts that make these claims are generalising in terms of other SLR systems. Now, this may apply to certain optics in the standard-to-medium-wide category (usually slow aperture ones) but one of the most telling examples is at the 21mm focal length. Naysayers continue to post that rangefinder optics "do not have to be retrofocus" (and no, they don't - look at the Mamiya 7 lenses, for example) but the Leica 21mm f/2.8 (a thoroughly modern design) is indeed a retrofocus lens, and at f/ 2.8, it's a full stop slower than the Zuiko 21mm f/2.0, yet it's larger and heavier in all respects. I wonder why this is? Sure, it's a lens with higher optical quality (but probably "just") but the genius of the Maitani team really is apparent when looking at the remarkable 21/2.0. == Leica 21/2.8 ASPH == Length: 59mm Filters: 55mm Weight: 317g == Zuiko 21/2.0 == Length: 44mm Filters: 55mm Weight: 250g Coupled with the fact that an OM-1 body is smaller (volume-wise) than an M body (it's only higher at its highest point because of the prism) I would say that, apart from noise and possibly higher shock caused by the Mirror, for low-light, wide-angle shooting, an OM body beats the pants off any rangefinder, especially because of, for the 21mm focal length, the superiority of a accurate 0.91x reflex finder vs. a fiddly, external finder (which admittedly will be brighter, but doesn't help with focusing). I would imagine anybody using a 21/2.0 on, say, an OM-3Ti would be a very happy camper indeed, and the envy of our rangefinder brothers. Does anybody here use this combination? I would love to see some images... In fact, I would in general like to see some more OM images from you lot! Film images! B&W images! What's weeth you mon? Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 13:17:16 2010 Received: (qmail 3706 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 11:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 11:17:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27923E180A6 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE69E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37AB37F59 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:16:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD1CB37BC5 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:16:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 289 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:30:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <53017C7D-C134-4BA5-A8C3-255B545D0256@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:16:48 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Sharing a house with an non-photographer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 13:17:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0023c123699752976205 What, you didn't ask her to clean your 3Ti? Of course, if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, the 3Ti might actually survive temporary submersion in Windex :-) D. On 03 May 2010, at 11:14 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > She asked if there was anything else needing cleaning, which I > answered very > quickly "NO!!!!!!" > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 13:33:14 2010 Received: (qmail 31406 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 11:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 11:33:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C3AE1808F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CF8E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16710B37F67 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:33:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9987DB37F70 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 04:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEAJmi30vKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACRDo0UuyCFEwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,325,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="1875782" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 04 May 2010 23:33:04 +1200 Received: from [111.69.244.95] (unknown [111.69.244.95]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8884E2013D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:33:03 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 23:33:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4BE0AEAE.25223.2FD480C@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 04/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 13:33:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be005fa298741950411718 Hi all, Top link at http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ is a compilation of images from a couple of journeys - don't take me to task if you notice that the images aren't in chronological order - they're not. I have just returned ( to leave again tomorrow) from a trip using a twin-axle trailer to move bulky items such as 2.4m bookcases the 500 km to my new home. I have also taken shots that I intended to make into a sequence about Christchurch city, and another about the 500km road I have come to know so well. This sequence is a bit of a blend of all three intentions. A note of explanation; New Zealand is a little country about the same land area as the UK, but with a population of just a bit more than 4 million souls. I live in the larger of the two main islands, but it's MUCH more mountainous and the population is significantly more sparse; so if the roads don't match your experience of more populous places, that is probably a consequence of having less money for road-making. Anyway, enjoy the trip. All done this time with the E-3 and DZ 14-54. Tripod was used for some city shots but not much else. And yes, I did take a few from within the moving car .... naughty me - navigating through the viewfinder. Actually it's not all that pleasant to do so I dropped the idea after a while. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 14:12:22 2010 Received: (qmail 26275 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 12:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 12:12:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E266EE180B9 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE373E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DD134AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7110634AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.210.35]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1W00I0E9VZ0US2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:11:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE00F11.3020807@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:12:01 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 14:12:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be00f2612312439112457 Yes, as I recall, on the 1N / 2N, FP sync is available only at the sync socket. I have never used FP. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > So, with the 2N and 1N you'd have to use the PC connection as well as > setting the sync to FP in order to use a flash bulb? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of >> sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's >> a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent >> some studio flashes from firing. >> >> Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in behind >> the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic >> cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I >> have some of those. >> >> ________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> See your OM-2 manual. If you have a T-flash mounted the camera senses >>> it and automatically sets X sync regardless of the switch setting. If >>> you don't have a T-flash mounted you're responsible to set the sync to >>> FP or X yourself. >>> >>> Flash bulbs used to be sold in different types. FP was the type to be >>> used on cameras that had focal plane shutters. The characteristic of an >>> FP bulb was a long burn time. Since the bulb puts out light >>> continuously the bulb is able to sync the full range from 1/60 to >>> 1/1000. But the manual says not longer than 1/60. 1/60, of course, is >>> the max for OM cameras on X sync. But I don't know if you'd get proper >>> sync for both regardless of sync setting at 1/60. I think not. I >>> suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >>> curtain started to open. But that would be a disaster for an X sync >>> electronic flash. It would have dumped it's charge completely before >>> the first curtain got off the starting gate. That's probably what >>> happened to you. >>> >>> I've never done it myself but I can recall someone on this list from >>> many years ago describing some way to lock the sync switch on to X. It >>> may have been a tiny dab of contact cement which would be easily >>> removable if desired. I just went to take a look at my OM-1's sync >>> switch to check how it might be done and was a bit startled to find it >>> setting on FP. Ooops! >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> usher99@aol.com wrote: >>>> Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail >>>> on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing >>>> that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana >>>> but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. >>>> I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to >>>> complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a >>>> disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual >>>> mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode >>>> works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( >>>> I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images >>>> with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike and all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >>>>>> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket >>>> with >>>>>> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >>>>>> >>>>> You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the >>>> position of >>>>> the X/FP switch... >>>>> >>>>> All the best, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 14:33:15 2010 Received: (qmail 2033 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 12:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 12:33:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E8AE180B6 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C55E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3134AC02F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3EC34AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.210.35]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1W00BD9AV1X2T0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:33:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE013FF.8050301@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:33:03 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 14:33:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0140b84241006886880 A beautiful color. We have a lot of Robins this year. Just the other day a "flock" of 8-10 came in and took turns bathing in out stream. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain > and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of > rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had > fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the > house. The color caught my eye. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 14:41:24 2010 Received: (qmail 2985 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 12:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 12:41:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC01E18092 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B5EE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 05:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0843BB37F71 for ; 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(VPS 100504-0, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 15:40:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be023e1313641136683642 Thanks for the tour. New Zealand seems a pretty place most everywhere. I also liked the night shots. Unusual. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > Top link at > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > is a compilation of images from a couple of journeys - don't take me to task > if you notice that the images aren't in chronological order - they're not. > > I have just returned ( to leave again tomorrow) from a trip using a twin-axle > trailer to move bulky items such as 2.4m bookcases the 500 km to my new > home. I have also taken shots that I intended to make into a sequence > about Christchurch city, and another about the 500km road I have come to > know so well. > > This sequence is a bit of a blend of all three intentions. > > A note of explanation; New Zealand is a little country about the same land > area as the UK, but with a population of just a bit more than 4 million souls. I > live in the larger of the two main islands, but it's MUCH more mountainous > and the population is significantly more sparse; so if the roads don't match > your experience of more populous places, that is probably a consequence of > having less money for road-making. > > Anyway, enjoy the trip. All done this time with the E-3 and DZ 14-54. Tripod > was used for some city shots but not much else. And yes, I did take a few > from within the moving car .... naughty me - navigating through the > viewfinder. Actually it's not all that pleasant to do so I dropped the idea after > a while. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:10:43 2010 Received: (qmail 8422 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:10:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C278E180A0 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD9DE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC40934AC025 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E14634AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18797 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 14:10:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2010 14:10:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE02AC7.2050303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 10:10:15 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE00F11.3020807@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4BE00F11.3020807@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:10:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be02ae3158041234514069 We'd maybe never know the difference. Of the several flash bulb guns I've owned I believe all were designed only for attachment to the PC socket. But I could be wrong. That was a long time ago. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Yes, as I recall, on the 1N / 2N, FP sync is available only at the sync > socket. I have never used FP. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> So, with the 2N and 1N you'd have to use the PC connection as well as >> setting the sync to FP in order to use a flash bulb? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of >>> sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's >>> a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent >>> some studio flashes from firing. >>> >>> Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in behind >>> the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic >>> cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I >>> have some of those. >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> See your OM-2 manual. If you have a T-flash mounted the camera senses >>>> it and automatically sets X sync regardless of the switch setting. If >>>> you don't have a T-flash mounted you're responsible to set the sync to >>>> FP or X yourself. >>>> >>>> Flash bulbs used to be sold in different types. FP was the type to be >>>> used on cameras that had focal plane shutters. The characteristic of an >>>> FP bulb was a long burn time. Since the bulb puts out light >>>> continuously the bulb is able to sync the full range from 1/60 to >>>> 1/1000. But the manual says not longer than 1/60. 1/60, of course, is >>>> the max for OM cameras on X sync. But I don't know if you'd get proper >>>> sync for both regardless of sync setting at 1/60. I think not. I >>>> suspect the bulb on FP would get lit as soon as the first shutter >>>> curtain started to open. But that would be a disaster for an X sync >>>> electronic flash. It would have dumped it's charge completely before >>>> the first curtain got off the starting gate. That's probably what >>>> happened to you. >>>> >>>> I've never done it myself but I can recall someone on this list from >>>> many years ago describing some way to lock the sync switch on to X. It >>>> may have been a tiny dab of contact cement which would be easily >>>> removable if desired. I just went to take a look at my OM-1's sync >>>> switch to check how it might be done and was a bit startled to find it >>>> setting on FP. Ooops! >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> usher99@aol.com wrote: >>>>> Thanks Chuck, AG, Carlos for thinking about this. Carlos hit the nail >>>>> on the head. Couldn't be an easier fix but wish the penalty for missing >>>>> that hadn't been so high. Happened once about 5 years ago in Montana >>>>> but I had a T-flash in TTL mode and I think you get a heads-up. >>>>> I don't remember exactly but perhaps the shutter is kept open to >>>>> complete the exposure. I had made a mental note that this could be a >>>>> disaster if happened again but obviously forgot about it. In manual >>>>> mode there is not a clue anthing is askew. Not sure how the FP mode >>>>> works , but I sure won't ever forget to check the switch position. :-( >>>>> I really dread picking up this batch but I was told some of the images >>>>> with a potential TOPE shot were interesting. We'll see. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow! I don't think I've thought about the X/FP switch since 1976. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >>>>>> Hi Mike and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: usher99@xxxxxxx >>>>>>> Nothing fancy used either. OM-2 in manual with V283 on a bracket >>>>> with >>>>>>> remote cord on the usual yellow for use with F4. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You mean the 'plain' OM-2 -- not -n, not S? Then it could be the >>>>> position of >>>>>> the X/FP switch... >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:14:31 2010 Received: (qmail 14200 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:14:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9435BE18093 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1039FE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20A034AC029 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE61834AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21so248437pvc.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.187.9 with SMTP id o9mr4225320rvp.211.1272982464400; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:14:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: afbbbabd0f5a65cf Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:14:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be02bc7130561413256596 > > I would imagine anybody using a 21/2.0 on, say, an OM-3Ti would be a > very happy camper indeed, and the envy of our rangefinder brothers. > Does anybody here use this combination? I would love to see some > images... > Well, I don't have a 21/2.0, but I do regularly place the 24/2.8 and 35/2.8 on the OM-3Ti. It is most certainly a very compact and palmable combination. Now with the 50/1.4, the 35/2.8 has temporarily taken a back seat, but only for a short while. When I want to impress people, I'll put the 35-80/2.8 on the motordrive equipped OM-4T. That starts to take it into whale territory. > In fact, I would in general like to see some more OM images from you > lot! Film images! B&W images! > I'm trying to do my part! That new L1 is for clients who are too cheep and/or blind to pay for film. But once in a while I get a client who appreciates the finer things in life. It's kinda like the difference between "Bud Lite" and "Guinness". Both are beers and are alcohol delivery mediums, but if you follow the analogy, digital is like "Bud Lite" in that it is cleaner with no bitter aftertaste or bits of unfiltered grain. But "Guinness" is the real thing with character, boldness and a multitude of flavors to savor. If you could have only one beer for the rest of your life, would it be "Bud Lite"? That's the way I feel about film and digital. Both do the job, with one being far more popular (in total sales). But if popularity (total sales) was the determining factor in what is "best", then all beers should strive to be like "Bud Lite". AG (no longer a drinker, but if I did, it would be a Guinness) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:24:25 2010 Received: (qmail 16329 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:24:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D216E180AD for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152C5E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF110B393BC for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E970B393BA for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn41 with SMTP id 41so4747892iwn.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.2 with SMTP id f2mr1789316ibv.23.1272983058775; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE023D5.1010106@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE0AEAE.25223.2FD480C@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4BE023D5.1010106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:24:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3ce6f799051e4965 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:24:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be02e1912901879814018 > > Thanks for the tour. New Zealand seems a pretty place most everywhere. > Hmm. My resume is updated! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:26:43 2010 Received: (qmail 25905 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:26:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D492E18093 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885BDE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8880DB393C9 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB71B393BF for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f203.google.com (mail-iw0-f203.google.com [209.85.223.203]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-iw0-f203.google.com with SMTP id 41so4747892iwn.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.146 with SMTP id h18mr2468954ibv.27.1272982979882; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE02AC7.2050303@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE00F11.3020807@verizon.net> <4BE02AC7.2050303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:22:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8d6b82cdfcd13676 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:26:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be02ea3234056107113666 > > We'd maybe never know the difference. Of the several flash bulb guns > I've owned I believe all were designed only for attachment to the PC > socket. But I could be wrong. That was a long time ago. > For the first time, I now have a serious camera that does not have a PC socket. Much to my dismay, the L1 is PC-socket free. No big deal you ask? Hardly. It means that I can't use the wireless flash triggers along side the built-in flash, and it also means that if I'm going to use the T45, I have to use a hot-shoe adapter or the wireless trigger. I can't even use a Vivitar 285HV off-camera without adapters. Excuse my shouting here, but even Minolta got this right on the A1 as they placed a PC socket on that camera. Granted, Minolta (Konica-Minolta, Sony) uses that non-standard hot-shoe design, but for crying out loud, at least they understood that somebody MIGHT want to use external non-dedicated flashes. This is why I trash-talked the Olympus E-P1 because they didn't include ANY means to trigger a flash with a viewfinder installed. That, my friends, is a sign that somebody just doesn't get it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:41:33 2010 Received: (qmail 14234 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:41:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A55E180C5 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874E8E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503DDB398C0 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC274B398BC for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o44EfFHj030940 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:41:18 GMT Message-ID: <8661878E36FE42FAB728A8F044D2D4BC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4BE013FF.8050301@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:41:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:41:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0321d121891234514069 Thanks, John. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg >A beautiful color. We have a lot of Robins this year. Just the other > day a "flock" of 8-10 came in and took turns bathing in out stream. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain >> and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of >> rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had >> fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the >> house. The color caught my eye. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:45:53 2010 Received: (qmail 29220 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:45:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F3E180A7 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E8E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E691E4720A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8E3E47207 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1686731pwj.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.208.5 with SMTP id f5mr2973675wfg.295.1272984347619; Tue, 04 May 2010 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.161.2 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] IMG Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:45:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be03321204131234514069 Well seen! >After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain and watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of rain, I walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had fallen from somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the house. The color caught my eye. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 16:49:13 2010 Received: (qmail 13846 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60270E180A1 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBCFE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CD234AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902EA34AC025 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:47:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 07:47:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o44Elhwl028587 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:47:46 GMT Message-ID: <9BB48E240B754E8AB23E74ADCB1D0AFC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:47:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG Robin's Egg X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 16:49:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be033e9301195034211378 Thanks, Nicholas. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Herndon" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG Robin's Egg > Well seen! > >>After two stormy days, in which we received about 5 inches of rain and >>watched TV coverage of Nashville being flooded under 15 inches of rain, I >>walked out this morning and saw this robin's egg which had fallen from >>somewhere and landed in cedar mulch in front of the house. The color >>caught my eye. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Robin_s+Egg.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:10:17 2010 Received: (qmail 11900 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:10:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD9DE18091 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9FE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82E3E4720E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B75DE4720A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so2570796wyf.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.85.148 with SMTP id u20mr5138446wee.219.1272985801272; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.253.208.205] (82-68-83-171.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.83.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g17sm2203716wee.17.2010.05.04.08.09.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 May 2010 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:09:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE0AEAE.25223.2FD480C@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE0AEAE.25223.2FD480C@bj.caverock.net.nz> Message-Id: <093E3742-53A4-4D56-A3C1-AC220FA853D3@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:10:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be038d9102541220213263 Thanks, Brian, I enjoyed that. I'm not sure that that qualifies as a traffic jam in the rest of the world :-) But I agree with you about the view. Chris On 4 May 2010, at 12:33, Brian Swale wrote: > Top link at > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > is a compilation of images from a couple of journeys - don't take me to task > if you notice that the images aren't in chronological order - they're not. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:17:49 2010 Received: (qmail 9497 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:17:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECEDE180A1 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C38E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E8934AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF9E34AC02B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3503138fxm.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:17:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.135 with SMTP id p7mr1650410hbh.90.1272986259552; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CCB9341AF78FFF-1864-5E54@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCB9341AF78FFF-1864-5E54@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:17:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be03a9d21801136683642 Mike, I've heard of people putting the sync switch on X then applying a small dab of Loctite. A permanent fix (and who uses flashbulbs anymore); but you may want to run that byJjohn first; a fix like that is likely to give him a case of the willies. Charlie On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:01 PM, wrote: > Thanks for commenting. I doubt I will ever not check again, but an > insurance policy > is never a bad idea. Doohicky sounds good to me. This OM2 has been > through thick and thin and not once has malfunctioned--still hasn't, > but the operator did. Double drat for not checking, timing could not > have been worse. Any of the other OM cams I have would have been fine. > Mike > > > > Only the 2N (and 1N) have constant X sync at the hot shoe regardless of > sync switch position, and that is with any flash, not just Ts. There's > a diode in the flash circuit that allows this, though it does prevent > some studio flashes from firing. > > Olympus Service made up a small plastic "doohickey" that snaps in > behind > the sync switch. It was created for use on UPI ad National Geographic > cameras. It holds the switch at X and prevents accidental turning. I > have some of those. > > ________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:31:23 2010 Received: (qmail 27267 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:31:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861EE1808A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE28E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67672E47207 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A601E4720A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f199.google.com (mail-qy0-f199.google.com [209.85.221.199]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so5356204qyk.22 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.41.14 with SMTP id m14mr7781319qae.336.1272987073648; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:31:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:31:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be03dcb87591946193717 While I currently prefer film to digital, I think digital deserves a better place than Bud Lite. I can get a fair amount of enjoyment out of digital photography, Bud anything is another matter. That stuff ought not to be allowed to be called beer. The Guinness bit I complete agree with. Paul C digital is like "Bud Lite" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:34:34 2010 Received: (qmail 31362 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:34:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1703AE1809B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94182E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88545E47202 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B2FE47201 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3519715fxm.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.137.199 with SMTP id m7mr111167hbm.184.1272987120687; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:32:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lens material these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:34:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be03e8a165651560218263 Ian, As a wearer of eyeglasses since the age of 11 years, I'm a big fan of polycarbonate lenses and would never return to glass. Some of this may depend on the strength of your prescription and the style of glasses. Mine are -6 diopters so it requires a pretty hefty lens. Glass has a bit higher refractive index than plastic but is much heavier. The style these days in the US is for a smaller diameter lens so it keeps down the edge thickness. Hopefully we never go back to the 70's look in eye wear (picture Atom Ant, the cartoon character not the rocker). I have found the scratch resistant coating to be very effective; I can't remember the last time I got a scratch. Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will take it right off. Charlie On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:58 AM, SwissPace wrote: > I need new eye glasses, I bought some plastic ones about five years sago > but was very dissapointed with the coatings which scratched relatively > eassily so reverted back to my glass photochromic lenses. > > With 5 boys and an active life I need tough ones, This time I was > thinking of getting rimless ones and asked about tough lenses. the > assistant quoted polycarbonate with photochromic capabilities, however > on reading on wikepedia I see that polycarbonate does not have the best > optical characteristics and also has a tendency for chromatic > abberation, I don't know if this is a problem in general use. I seem to > recall Zeiss announcing some lens material as scratch resistant as glass > but haven't seen any reviews > > Has anyone recently studied this recently and have some recommendations > ? Thanks in advance > > IanW > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:34:39 2010 Received: (qmail 19836 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:34:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5423E18088 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC5FE24A9E for ; 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Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Robin's Egg > Lovely tone of blue. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:50:16 2010 Received: (qmail 3233 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:50:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66531E18092 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF99E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD0434AC03C for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B4634AC02D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9KLH-0004cr-FR for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 16:47:27 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu><233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson><9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au><4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net><20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au><1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au><20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au><4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:47:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acrrn0taobeTs5/IQNyORmschg+ZkAAAa7qQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 04/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:50:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be04238217971258626592 Such as Windex, referred to elsewhere this past couple of days? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Charles Geilfuss [mailto:charles.geilfuss@gmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2010 16:32 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? --snip Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will take it right off. Charlie --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:54:19 2010 Received: (qmail 12590 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:54:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27173E1807F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971DCE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B3834AC02D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCAE34AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so2807146wwb.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.134.193 with SMTP id k1mr1362086wbt.39.1272988345535; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.6 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200599.45768.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200599.45768.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:54:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0432b103631073733319 Back to the number of units responding - in small towns it's not unusual to sen out equipment without enough manpower. For example, a pumper with only a driver. The idea being to have the needed equipment on scene as more help/manpower arrives. Especially true with volunteer fire departments. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > IMHO free press is an oxymoron, no such thing...Depending on where you are, > you are either forced, or paid to write what you need to write...all depends > on who has more power at the moment, the guy with the weapons, or the guy > with the money :-p > > Best > > Boris > > > it is the duty of a free press to try to expose them. > > > John Duggan, > > Wales, UK > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 17:58:10 2010 Received: (qmail 5907 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A250CE1809A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B43E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A7E47202 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93F5E47201 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f199.google.com (mail-qy0-f199.google.com [209.85.221.199]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so5393320qyk.22 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.66.77 with SMTP id m13mr4681135qai.294.1272988468569; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 17:58:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be04412207501220213263 I'm shooting primarily b&w film these days. Don't have a 3Ti or anything wider than 24mm though. I went out with a roll of fp4 this morning in my newly acquired Voigtl=E4nder Perkeo I. I'll soup it tonight. We'll see how decent I am a 'use the force' focusing and exposure. The b&w images I've seen you post to the list have been inspiring Dawid. If you are willing to share, I'd love to see more. Paul C In fact, I would in general like to see some more OM images from you > lot! Film images! B&W images! > > > Dawid > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 18:01:35 2010 Received: (qmail 23936 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 16:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 16:01:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4597EE180AD for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A66E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75DE47207 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F60E47205 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f199.google.com (mail-qy0-f199.google.com [209.85.221.199]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so5400211qyk.22 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.66.77 with SMTP id m13mr4686645qai.294.1272988729535; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 18:01:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be044df130211234514069 Oh hang on. I do have something recent taken with an OM-2S. http://www.flickr.com/photos/peacox/4566482937/ There is my b&w bit for the day. Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 18:15:21 2010 Received: (qmail 135 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6441EE180AB for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC20E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B38234AC033 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5D234AC032 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 09:15:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o44GF73d024928 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:15:11 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4BE0AEAE.25223.2FD480C@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:15:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 18:15:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be04819116222517112723 Hi Brian, You inspired me to use Google Maps to look at your part of the world. That appears to be quite a journey into the high country. Thanks for taking us along. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:33 AM Subject: [OM] (OM) OT moving house - a 30-years experience > Hi all, > > Top link at > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > is a compilation of images from a couple of journeys - don't take me to > task > if you notice that the images aren't in chronological order - they're not. > > I have just returned ( to leave again tomorrow) from a trip using a > twin-axle > trailer to move bulky items such as 2.4m bookcases the 500 km to my new > home. I have also taken shots that I intended to make into a sequence > about Christchurch city, and another about the 500km road I have come to > know so well. > > This sequence is a bit of a blend of all three intentions. > > A note of explanation; New Zealand is a little country about the same land > area as the UK, but with a population of just a bit more than 4 million > souls. I > live in the larger of the two main islands, but it's MUCH more mountainous > and the population is significantly more sparse; so if the roads don't > match > your experience of more populous places, that is probably a consequence of > having less money for road-making. > > Anyway, enjoy the trip. All done this time with the E-3 and DZ 14-54. > Tripod > was used for some city shots but not much else. And yes, I did take a few > from within the moving car .... naughty me - navigating through the > viewfinder. Actually it's not all that pleasant to do so I dropped the > idea after > a while. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 19:38:39 2010 Received: (qmail 29454 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 17:38:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DDEE180A3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E15E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2997E47205 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35080E47202 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1261710fge.8 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.81 with SMTP id q17mr493662hbb.188.1272994707967; Tue, 04 May 2010 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 19:38:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be05b9f8851560218263 Absolutely! Windex is fine for camera lenses, binoculars, etc., but DO NOT put it on scratch resistant glasses. It will remove the coating completely. I found this out the hard way years ago. I knew not to use it but was cleaning a piece of plate glass for something I was framing and accidentally got over-spray on my glasses. Just a tiny bit but each droplet left a pit in the coating. While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most over-priced thing on the market? I mean I can buy an iPod that has more computing power than that used for Apollo 11 to go to the moon for about $150. Yet my glasses made of two pieces of ground plastic/ glass (by a technique not much changed since Galileo was in the business) and some bent wire will run over $300. What gives? Charlie On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Such as Windex, referred to elsewhere this past couple of days? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Geilfuss [mailto:charles.geilfuss@gmail.com] > Sent: 04 May 2010 16:32 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best > lensmaterial these days? > > --snip > > Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will take it right > off. > > Charlie > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 20:36:55 2010 Received: (qmail 8902 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 18:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 18:36:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7338E180A8 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F35E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1C9E47210 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCF9E47203 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn12 with SMTP id 12so2451776iwn.8 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 11:36:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.143.137 with SMTP id v9mr804955ibu.70.1272998206683; Tue, 04 May 2010 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:36:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb111add67324981 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 20:36:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0694736542517112723 > > While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most over-priced thing on > the market? I mean I can buy an iPod that has more computing power than > that > used for Apollo 11 to go to the moon for about $150. Yet my glasses made of > two pieces of ground plastic/ glass (by a technique not much changed since > Galileo was in the business) and some bent wire will run over $300. What > gives? > Insurance? As long as somebody will pay, they'll keep jacking the price up higher. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 20:47:42 2010 Received: (qmail 8835 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 18:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 18:47:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B380E180AA for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124E3E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04309E4720E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D3DE47203 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22447 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 18:47:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2010 18:47:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE06BC5.2080108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 14:47:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB851CACB07C2-F30-C098@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4BDDF5A8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4BDECA78.5060302@verizon.net> <4BDED058.2020100@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE00F11.3020807@verizon.net> <4BE02AC7.2050303@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 20:47:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be06bce157671946193717 Just use an adapter like this. Or like the ebay special on the left here. It has 2 PC connectors plus a triggering switch for testing. Not quite as convenient as the real thing but not burdensome either. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> We'd maybe never know the difference. Of the several flash bulb guns >> I've owned I believe all were designed only for attachment to the PC >> socket. But I could be wrong. That was a long time ago. >> > > > For the first time, I now have a serious camera that does not have a PC > socket. Much to my dismay, the L1 is PC-socket free. > > No big deal you ask? > > Hardly. It means that I can't use the wireless flash triggers along side the > built-in flash, and it also means that if I'm going to use the T45, I have > to use a hot-shoe adapter or the wireless trigger. I can't even use a > Vivitar 285HV off-camera without adapters. > > Excuse my shouting here, but even Minolta got this right on the A1 as they > placed a PC socket on that camera. Granted, Minolta (Konica-Minolta, Sony) > uses that non-standard hot-shoe design, but for crying out loud, at least > they understood that somebody MIGHT want to use external non-dedicated > flashes. > > This is why I trash-talked the Olympus E-P1 because they didn't include ANY > means to trigger a flash with a viewfinder installed. That, my friends, is a > sign that somebody just doesn't get it. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 20:56:47 2010 Received: (qmail 20115 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 18:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 18:56:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C0DE180A1 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A4DE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC28934AC02B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBDD34AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 11:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29937 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 18:56:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2010 18:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE06DE5.3030706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 14:56:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lens material these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 20:56:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be06def170701220213263 Ooops! Apparently not as tough as photographic lens multicoatings. I guess I'd better not use Windex on the glasses. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Ian, > As a wearer of eyeglasses since the age of 11 years, I'm a big fan of > polycarbonate lenses and would never return to glass. Some of this may > depend on the strength of your prescription and the style of glasses. Mine > are -6 diopters so it requires a pretty hefty lens. Glass has a bit higher > refractive index than plastic but is much heavier. The style these days in > the US is for a smaller diameter lens so it keeps down the edge thickness. > Hopefully we never go back to the 70's look in eye wear (picture Atom Ant, > the cartoon character not the rocker). I have found the scratch resistant > coating to be very effective; I can't remember the last time I got a > scratch. Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will take > it right off. > > Charlie > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:58 AM, SwissPace wrote: > >> I need new eye glasses, I bought some plastic ones about five years sago >> but was very dissapointed with the coatings which scratched relatively >> eassily so reverted back to my glass photochromic lenses. >> >> With 5 boys and an active life I need tough ones, This time I was >> thinking of getting rimless ones and asked about tough lenses. the >> assistant quoted polycarbonate with photochromic capabilities, however >> on reading on wikepedia I see that polycarbonate does not have the best >> optical characteristics and also has a tendency for chromatic >> abberation, I don't know if this is a problem in general use. I seem to >> recall Zeiss announcing some lens material as scratch resistant as glass >> but haven't seen any reviews >> >> Has anyone recently studied this recently and have some recommendations >> ? Thanks in advance >> >> IanW >> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 21:07:14 2010 Received: (qmail 11420 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 19:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 19:07:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4852E180BE for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66952E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F77E47205 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB529E47202 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6712 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 19:07:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] House fire photos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 21:07:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be07062102101357919056 Two of the four departments that responded are volunteer groups. I was sure of the one from where I live and in looking up the status of the other I discovered that all of them are centrally dispatched by a county wide central dispatch coordinator. That was a pleasant surprise. I'd have expected that county wide coordination in a southern state but it's not so usual in the northeast where its common for every town and village to try and be its own fiefdom. Chuck Norcutt Rick Beckrich wrote: > Back to the number of units responding - in small towns it's not unusual to > sen out equipment without enough manpower. For example, a pumper with only a > driver. The idea being to have the needed equipment on scene as more > help/manpower arrives. Especially true with volunteer fire departments. > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > >> IMHO free press is an oxymoron, no such thing...Depending on where you are, >> you are either forced, or paid to write what you need to write...all depends >> on who has more power at the moment, the guy with the weapons, or the guy >> with the money :-p >> >> Best >> >> Boris >> >>> it is the duty of a free press to try to expose them. >>> John Duggan, >>> Wales, UK >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 21:11:54 2010 Received: (qmail 14104 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 19:11:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922AEE180A2 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1D0E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C9434AC025 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4CD34AC026 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10165 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 19:11:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 21:11:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0717a275201413256596 I like it but think this one could benefit from straightening. Chuck Norcutt Paul Cox wrote: > Oh hang on. I do have something recent taken with an OM-2S. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/peacox/4566482937/ > > There is my b&w bit for the day. > > Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 21:15:02 2010 Received: (qmail 27422 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 19:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 19:15:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9565CE180C0 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32C3E24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FDFE4720F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D688E4720D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11170 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 19:13:12 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2010 19:13:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 15:13:11 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 21:15:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be07236102481006886880 Worse, they're probably not ground but just molded... an even cheaper process. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Absolutely! Windex is fine for camera lenses, binoculars, etc., but DO NOT > put it on scratch resistant glasses. It will remove the coating completely. > I found this out the hard way years ago. I knew not to use it but was > cleaning a piece of plate glass for something I was framing and accidentally > got over-spray on my glasses. Just a tiny bit but each droplet left a pit in > the coating. > While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most over-priced thing on > the market? I mean I can buy an iPod that has more computing power than that > used for Apollo 11 to go to the moon for about $150. Yet my glasses made of > two pieces of ground plastic/ glass (by a technique not much changed since > Galileo was in the business) and some bent wire will run over $300. What > gives? > > Charlie > > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > >> Such as Windex, referred to elsewhere this past couple of days? >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Geilfuss [mailto:charles.geilfuss@gmail.com] >> Sent: 04 May 2010 16:32 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best >> lensmaterial these days? >> >> --snip >> >> Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will take it right >> off. >> >> Charlie >> >> --snip >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 21:39:30 2010 Received: (qmail 2980 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91344E180A8 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04A7E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7363C34AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E47934AC02D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14so8651vws.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.10 with SMTP id q10mr3563495qcl.36.1273001957922; Tue, 04 May 2010 12:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 12:39:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE07173.9010603@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE07173.9010603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 21:39:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be077f2189532013633067 Thanks for looking Chuck. The orientation of the scan did seem a bit off. I was sure I was holding the camera level when I took the picture, but it looked skewed to me. What you see is my attempt to straighten it, but I guess I could have done a better job. I have another go at it tonight. Paul C On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like it but think this one could benefit from straightening. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 22:15:27 2010 Received: (qmail 18643 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 20:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 20:15:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202B5E1808D for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E53DE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CB63610003 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72523610001 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 13:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-30-104-212.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.30.104.212]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 409 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 20:28:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:15:07 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 22:15:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0805f108461234514069 On 04 May 2010, at 5:54 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > The b&w images I've seen you post to the list have been inspiring = > Dawid. If > you are willing to share, I'd love to see more. Thank you Paul! I have not been very active lately, and have been on a = bit of a medium format binge lately, but this past week-end I did print a = couple of 35mm (OM) negatives in the darkroom. All of them could be considered "snapshots": "Contemplating black coffee" http://tinyurl.com/335lyon (OM-1, 24/2.0 at f/4.0, FP4, 5x7in hand print) There's a bit of a story behind this one. In a not-so-good time of our life, my wife (newly wed at the time, 3 months or so) get some coffee in a quaint caf=E9 which is a converted old gas station. We were broke, her = mother was dying from cancer, our car broke so we were driving with my = "restoration project" (1963 Mercedes-Benz Fintail, visible in the background) which = was not really suitable for driving at all in its state. We were still a bit = shaken from being attacked in our home in our sleep. In short, not a heavenly time. I suspect she was contemplating all these things when I took this environmental portrait. The OM-1 is amazing for this sort of work, after guessing exposure, I set shutter speed, aperture, and guess focus, by = "feel" while the camera was hidden on my lap, and then in an instant took the = image. Since this photo is on my work desk (I'm trying to swap them out every = month or so) I figure she'd be OK discussing this one with you guys here = publicly. This shot illustrates everything that I love about Ilford FP4 and the = 24/2.0 (my copy is quite low contrast at wide apertures). Of course, I am not a master = printer yet, but the negative contains even more tonal separation in the five-stops- = overexposed background than what I captured on paper. On the same topic, here's another "snapshot portrait" around the same = period, this time outside next to the small lake (Emmarentia lake) in winter. http://tinyurl.com/36sx7y3 (OM-1, 90/2.0 Macro at f/2.0, Ilford HP5 @ ISO400, 5x7in hand print) "Dreaming about tomorrow" http://tinyurl.com/334lmz9 (OM-1, 135/3.5 at f/5.6, expired Pan F @ ISO32, 8x10in hand print) A street scene snapshot. As all this construction work is going in this dead little back-street, I imagine the worker pulling the wheelbarrow is dreaming of where he will be tomorrow, a better tomorrow. So too, as I was walking down here, I was thinking of the better tomorrow, = when perhaps this area would be resurrected by actions such as this construction = work. I have had the pleasure of only shooting about 100 frames of Pan F in = my life, but I think I absolutely adore its qualities, and wish I could get = more around here (it seems rare). Speaking of adoring things, I also adore the 135/3.5 lens, it blows my = mind that such a budget lens could be built so well, so small, so smooth. What a = jewel! I suspect I feel about this lens the way Ken does about his 100/2.8. "Amidst the chaos" http://tinyurl.com/39pdnlz (OM-1, 90/2.0 Macro at f/2.0, Ilford HP5 at ISO800, 8x10in hand print) This is a bit of a funny one, not sure I entirely like it. Oh well, = make of it what you will. To me, it sometimes looks like a giant evil hand is = preparing to pluck the flower, which stands alone as a bit of calmness in the chaos. Well, that' it for my B&W work this week, all the best. Dawid -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 4 23:22:07 2010 Received: (qmail 19022 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 21:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 21:22:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AEBE180A7 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67738E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3C6E47202 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF7CE47208 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 14:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9548 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2010 21:21:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100504-1, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 4 23:22:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be08fff309071073733319 Lest there be any confusion I should have said perspective correction, not leveling side-to-side. The camera is not level front to back but tilted up giving the wall a falling over backwards look. Most people would probably ignore it and I often do myself but this one I can't ignore since there's nothing here but the wall as the subject. Chuck Norcutt Paul Cox wrote: > Thanks for looking Chuck. The orientation of the scan did seem a bit off. > I was sure I was holding the camera level when I took the picture, but it > looked skewed to me. What you see is my attempt to straighten it, but I > guess I could have done a better job. I have another go at it tonight. > > Paul C > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> I like it but think this one could benefit from straightening. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 01:07:35 2010 Received: (qmail 1831 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 23:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 23:07:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4BE180A0 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B611EE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBA134AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446AA34AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o44N7FIX010981; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:07:18 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 01:07:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0a8b7316731342116753 Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html Comments and critiques are welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 01:32:25 2010 Received: (qmail 19968 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2010 23:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2010 23:32:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECD6E1808F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0BDE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1925C34AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96A534AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o44NWAYE031910 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:32:11 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d88.7514a05 (37106) for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB084-b2504be0ae712d3; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:32:07 -0400 Received: from webmail-m020 (webmail-m020.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.104]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE035-b2504be0ae712d3; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:32:01 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 19:32:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 04 May 2010 19:32:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 01:32:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0ae89119192439112457 Mike, I've heard of people putting the sync switch on X then applying a small dab of Loctite. A permanent fix (and who uses flashbulbs anymore); but you may want to run that by John first; a fix like that is likely to give him a case of the willies. Charlie Thanks Charlie, John mentioned some doohickey to prevent a repeat performance. I'd rather have a root canal. Come to think of it there is likely a substantial stash of FP flashbulbs &bracket at my childhood home in NY state. I will be going there soon to help my Mom with landscaping. Perhaps I can rig a superpowered F280 equivalent for the OM-2 if I can figure out the output at various speeds . On second thought, sounds quite cockamamie. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 02:31:29 2010 Received: (qmail 22135 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E60E18098 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7EE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37B134AC036 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357DB34AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o450VI7M004638 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:31:18 +1000 Message-Id: <201005050031.o450VI7M004638@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 May 2010 10:31:17 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 10:31:17 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 02:31:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0bc6140941234514069 > Jim Nichols wrote: > > Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant > of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath > overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html Is the purple rendered accurately ? > > The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of > these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html > Exposure for the petals is well handled - excellent detail. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 02:55:00 2010 Received: (qmail 16242 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 00:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 00:54:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F946E18092 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7B4E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4C534AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D8E34AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 17:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15166 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 00:54:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100504-2, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 02:55:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0c1e47115034211378 A new film camera to lust after. I just heard about the ShinHao company today. They make lots of view cameras from 6x9cm to 7x17 inch. I'm fascinated by this 6x17 pano view camera (1 of 3 models). It seems to me much more versatile than the other 6x17 cameras on the market. It's a beauty. Available without lens on ebay for $1499. Scroll down for good closeups. A folding model is also available for $1575. Of course, a Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon with center filter will add a bit. :-) I think I may buy one... if I ever learn to take a decent landscape photo with a 35mm camera or the 5D first. :-) Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 03:00:40 2010 Received: (qmail 1618 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 01:00:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1091E180AD for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E96E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B6134AC039 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DC034AC037 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18470 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 01:00:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100504-2, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 03:00:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0c338216164877110844 Both are very pretty but I think you missed the focus on the purple one. It looks like it's about an inch behind where it should be to get the foreground bloom in sharp focus ($@$#% digitals). But for lighting I prefer the "challenge" lighting on the purple one. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last > remnant of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is > underneath overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html > > > The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of > these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques are welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 03:03:31 2010 Received: (qmail 31223 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 01:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 01:03:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B84E1807F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9273CE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8AE47228 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EFEE47223 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20199 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 01:03:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 01:03:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 21:03:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100504-2, 05/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 03:03:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0c3e318991612113968 Interesting question. How do you meter a flash bulb? Would a modern meter see a 1/60 second long burn flash bulb as "flash" or as "ambient" or maybe neither? I looked around for Dr. Flash but he's nowhere to be found. He'd probably be embarrassed that he doesn't know the answer. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Mike, > I've heard of people putting the sync switch on X then applying a > small > dab of Loctite. A permanent fix (and who uses flashbulbs anymore); but > you > may want to run that by John first; a fix like that is likely to give > him a > case of the willies. > > Charlie > > > Thanks Charlie, > John mentioned some doohickey to prevent a repeat performance. I'd > rather have a root canal. > > Come to think of it there is likely a substantial stash of FP > flashbulbs &bracket at my childhood home in NY state. I will be going > there soon > to help my Mom with landscaping. Perhaps I can rig a superpowered F280 > equivalent for the OM-2 if I can figure out the output at > various speeds . On second thought, sounds quite cockamamie. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 03:56:40 2010 Received: (qmail 4121 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 01:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 01:56:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BB5E180BF for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1A5E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA5834AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F8434AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn12 with SMTP id 12so2962852iwn.8 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.161.12 with SMTP id p12mr705454ibx.31.1273024582689; Tue, 04 May 2010 18:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:56:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:56:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 15385474f93153a8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 03:56:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d058326701234514069 My Kodak photoguide has all the numbers for bulbs and reflectors. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:00:10 2010 Received: (qmail 26074 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:00:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F055E180A2 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2BAE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FED834AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC07E34AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 18:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o451vOjL011635 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:57:24 +1000 Message-Id: <201005050157.o451vOjL011635@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 05 May 2010 11:57:23 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:57:23 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:00:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d12a190812013633067 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Interesting question. How do you meter a flash bulb? Would a modern > meter see a 1/60 second long burn flash bulb as "flash" or as "ambient" > or maybe neither? > I'm sure an OM-2(N) would handle it ok - no need for a meter ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:15:00 2010 Received: (qmail 18692 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:14:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD114E180AC for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C822DE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81D034AC02F for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4587634AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o452EmBe010582 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:14:50 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <201005050031.o450VI7M004638@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:14:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:15:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d4a4238391234514069 Hi Wayne, This one, as are most wild ones, are more lavender than purple. The E-1 handles it as well as any I have tried. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > > > > >> Jim Nichols wrote: >> >> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant >> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html > > Is the purple rendered accurately ? > >> >> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >> these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >> > > Exposure for the petals is well handled - excellent detail. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:24:27 2010 Received: (qmail 27799 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:24:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20FDE1809B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E80AE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6E9E4B23B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6101E47214 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so6477735qyk.16 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.235.193 with SMTP id kh1mr3817340qcb.106.1273026261131; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:24:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d6db102462517112723 Those are great Dawid, and great stories to go with them. Contemplating black coffee is my favorite. I love how the black of the table contrasts so starkly with the highlights on the cars outside. I've been on a medium format binge as well over the last several weeks. This is mostly due to my father introducing me to medium format folders. I'm quite taken with them at the moment. I develop all my b&w at home, but take a short cut and go straight away to the scanner with my negatives. I do plan to try printing some time in the foreseeable future, and am lucky enough to have the loan of an enlarger from fellow OM enthusiast Joel W., but haven't yet found the time to get everything up and running. At present, it's all I can do to keep up with my current to-dos. Thanks for sharing, and I'll look forward to seeing more of your work whenever you may post it. Paul C On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > > Thank you Paul! I have not been very active lately, and have been on a > bit > of a medium format binge lately, but this past week-end I did print a > couple > of 35mm (OM) negatives in the darkroom. All of them could be considered > "snapshots": > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:26:26 2010 Received: (qmail 5778 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:26:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED58FE18088 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C04E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8CFE47214 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B04DE47223 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o452Pb7f015455 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:25:39 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4BE0C32F.4010209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:25:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:26:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d752157671946193717 Hi Chuck, I think you are correct. I was ducking beneath holly branches, and had the leaves on a low branch sticking barbs through my pants leg, so I missed it. I tried another shot, but it was no better. I promised my wife a photo, since this may be the last year that one is alive, and had to make the best of what I got. I may try another one tomorrow. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > Both are very pretty but I think you missed the focus on the purple one. > It looks like it's about an inch behind where it should be to get the > foreground bloom in sharp focus ($@$#% digitals). But for lighting I > prefer the "challenge" lighting on the purple one. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last >> remnant of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is >> underneath overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >> >> >> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >> these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:26:30 2010 Received: (qmail 29493 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:26:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29A4E1808B for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D903E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1F434AC027 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8D534AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so6480338qyk.16 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.222.208 with SMTP id ih16mr1106347qcb.55.1273026376626; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE08FF4.4060000@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE07173.9010603@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE08FF4.4060000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:26:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d75656075034211378 Thanks for the clarification. That was a bit of a 'duh' moment for me, even though I though I was avoiding much tilt at the time. I'll have another look at the original. Paul C On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Lest there be any confusion I should have said perspective correction, > not leveling side-to-side. The camera is not level front to back but > tilted up giving the wall a falling over backwards look. Most people > would probably ignore it and I often do myself but this one I can't > ignore since there's nothing here but the wall as the subject. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 04:35:29 2010 Received: (qmail 10551 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 02:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 02:35:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1289E1809C for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6531DE24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B9634AC02E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:35:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B8D34AC02A for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:35:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 19:35:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L1X0049SDVUNN32@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 23:35:54 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAPZ14EtMC2or/2dsb2JhbACIcZU/vn4OhQUEhmY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,330,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="601189309" Received: from blk-11-106-43.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.43]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 04 May 2010 23:35:20 -0300 Message-id: <6940CCD960EF4A83AB218B286EFF2905@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 23:35:20 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7063 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 04:35:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be0d971160891342116753 Charles ........... what's not to like about Buddy Holly style black frame glasses ? According to the eye shop I use these are coming back into vogue ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? > Ian, > As a wearer of eyeglasses since the age of 11 years, I'm a big fan of > polycarbonate lenses and would never return to glass. Some of this may > depend on the strength of your prescription and the style of glasses. Mine > are -6 diopters so it requires a pretty hefty lens. Glass has a bit higher > refractive index than plastic but is much heavier. The style these days in > the US is for a smaller diameter lens so it keeps down the edge thickness. > Hopefully we never go back to the 70's look in eye wear (picture Atom Ant, > the cartoon character not the rocker). I have found the scratch resistant > coating to be very effective; I can't remember the last time I got a > scratch. Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will > take > it right off. > > Charlie > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:58 AM, SwissPace wrote: > >> I need new eye glasses, I bought some plastic ones about five years sago >> but was very dissapointed with the coatings which scratched relatively >> eassily so reverted back to my glass photochromic lenses. >> >> With 5 boys and an active life I need tough ones, This time I was >> thinking of getting rimless ones and asked about tough lenses. the >> assistant quoted polycarbonate with photochromic capabilities, however >> on reading on wikepedia I see that polycarbonate does not have the best >> optical characteristics and also has a tendency for chromatic >> abberation, I don't know if this is a problem in general use. I seem to >> recall Zeiss announcing some lens material as scratch resistant as glass >> but haven't seen any reviews >> >> Has anyone recently studied this recently and have some recommendations >> ? Thanks in advance >> >> IanW >> >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5086 (20100504) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5086 (20100504) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 07:37:05 2010 Received: (qmail 30021 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 05:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 05:37:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A14E180AA for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF59E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D856E47223 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30962E47214 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so6714359qyk.16 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.84 with SMTP id ib20mr3848839qcb.93.1273037815887; Tue, 04 May 2010 22:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.42.78 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:36:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:36:55 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 07:37:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1040195351234514069 On 5/5/10, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > A new film camera to lust after. I just heard about the ShinHao company > today. They make lots of view cameras from 6x9cm to 7x17 inch. I'm > fascinated by this 6x17 pano view camera (1 of 3 models). It seems to > me much more versatile than the other 6x17 cameras on the market. It's > a beauty. > > Available without lens on ebay for $1499. If you look back through the list archives, there's something from me on camera shopping in Shanghai. I mentioned a few stores that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of ShenHao stuff on their shelves. If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 07:42:07 2010 Received: (qmail 26168 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 05:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 05:42:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72341E18093 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD66E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89E6E47214 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69F8E47213 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18819 invoked from network); 5 May 2010 05:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.49.175.13) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 05:41:56 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:41:55 +0200 Message-Id: <68F83420-1598-4CB6-A288-5ED12A8714AF@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_=C5rhus_art?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 07:42:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1052f95589730998309 The second part of my holiday in Denmark last week was in my hometown =C5rh= us. By coincidence, there was art all over the place: both in the streets b= ut mainly in the town's two main galleries. Lars and I spent Thursday looki= ng at the exhibitions, and a small selection is here: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Aarhus-art The two galleries I refer to are: http://www.aros.dk http://www.aarhuskunstbygning.dk/english/ As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 07:49:13 2010 Received: (qmail 9120 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 05:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 05:49:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD43CE180A4 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C290E24AA3 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E5AE47229 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E3DE47228 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so3220740wwb.20 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 22:49:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.84 with SMTP id b62mr10596712wef.226.1273038546521; Tue, 04 May 2010 22:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.4 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 22:49:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:49:06 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 07:49:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be106d956821950411718 On 5/5/10, Sandy Harris wrote: > If you look back through the list archives, there's something from > me on camera shopping in Shanghai. Ooops. Not on this list. http://photo.net/travel-photography-forum/00TWbU > I mentioned a few stores > that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of > ShenHao stuff on their shelves. > > If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not > before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 08:24:11 2010 Received: (qmail 3765 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 06:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 06:24:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFFBE180C6 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ABBE24A9E for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E4334AC028 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:24:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6EC34AC026 for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:24:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 4 May 2010 23:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20347 invoked from network); 5 May 2010 06:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2010 06:24:00 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <68F83420-1598-4CB6-A288-5ED12A8714AF@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:23:59 +1000 References: <68F83420-1598-4CB6-A288-5ED12A8714AF@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_=C5rhus_art?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 08:24:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be10f0b64271073733319 Gargoyle good - but the 'Borrow a Burka' concept is hilarious (shame = they didn't quite get the translation right). Nice to see Ron Mueck's work there as well - it's very unsettling stuff. More here for those interested - he does small as well. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/05/2010, at 3:41 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The second part of my holiday in Denmark last week was in my = > hometown =C5rhus. By coincidence, there was art all over the place: = > both in the streets but mainly in the town's two main galleries. = > Lars and I spent Thursday looking at the exhibitions, and a small = > selection is here: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Aarhus-art > > The two galleries I refer to are: > http://www.aros.dk > http://www.aarhuskunstbygning.dk/english/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 11:27:29 2010 Received: (qmail 5887 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 09:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 09:27:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09CAE1809C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C24E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A106934AC027 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AFB34AC025 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17022 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2010 09:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 09:27:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 02:27:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 11:27:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be13a01230631946193717 I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six days. Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, shooting away. :-) Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! A. Sneaky Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 11:29:29 2010 Received: (qmail 18324 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 09:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 09:29:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5268E180A1 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CDFE24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806FC34AC027 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:29:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183F834AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:29:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 02:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19334 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2010 09:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 09:29:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE13A64.50107@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 02:29:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 11:29:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be13a79194771560218263 On 5/4/2010 12:13 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Worse, they're probably not ground but just molded... an even cheaper process. > Better, I'd say, as it allows double aspherical graduated lenses, such as I wear. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 13:11:08 2010 Received: (qmail 27412 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 11:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 11:11:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B40E180AD for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4589E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69244E4B23C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DB7E47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:10:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4305110fxm.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 04:10:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.158.66 with SMTP id t2mr58581hbc.76.1273057856288; Wed, 05 May 2010 04:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.131.193 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 04:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. 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Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New DOF/ bokeh article--Zeiss X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 13:15:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1534e34113900897491 Hi Mike and all, From: usher99@aol.com >Some explanation of bokeh that I've not seen in one place. >I think explains harsh bokeh of very highly corrected Z. 50/3.5 macro >under many conditions--macro shot with distant background. >At other times it is the perfect lens choice. > > Very interesting link, thanks for sharing! All the best, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 14:03:54 2010 Received: (qmail 18800 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 12:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 12:03:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236BAE1808D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02737E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90B9E53261 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1DE4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4349287fxm.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 05:03:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.132.206 with SMTP id 14mr262132hbs.111.1273061021092; Wed, 05 May 2010 05:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.131.193 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:03:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 14: sunshine, mountains, meat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 14:03:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be15eaa65881234514069 SGkgTmF0aGFuLCBQYXVsIGFuZCBhbGwsCgpGcm9tOiBQYXVsIExhdWdobGluIDxwZWxhdWdobGlu QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0Pgo+V2hlbiBJIHdhcyBzdGF0aW9uZWQgaW4gU3BhaW4sIGJhY2sgaW4gdGhl IG1pZCAnNjBzLCBJIHdvdWxkIHNlZSB0aGUKPm9jY2FzaW9uYWwgQ2l0cm9lbiBEUzIxIGxpdHRl cmFsbHkgZmx5aW5nIGxvdy4KCk9vb29vb29vb2hoaGhoaCEgTGEgRMOpZXNzZSEgSSdkIExPVkUg dG8gZ2V0IG9uZS4uLgoKPiBJIG5ldmVyIGFjdHVhbGx5Cj5zYXcgdGhlaXIgc3BlZWQsIGJ1dCBp dCBoYWQgdG8gaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGluIGV4Y2VzcyBvZiAxMzAgbWlsZXMgcGVyIGhvdXIuCgpUaGVv cmV0aWNhbGx5LCB0b3Agc3BlZWQgZm9yIHRoZSBub24taW5qZWN0ZWQgRFMyMSB3YXMgMTc4IGtt L2gsIG9yIGFsbW9zdAoxMTEgbXBoLiBUaGUgZmFzdGVzdCBtb2RlbCBpbiB0aGUgcmFuZ2UsIHRo ZSBEUzIzSUUgKCc3Mikgd2FzIHF1b3RlZCBhdCAxODgKa20vaCAoMTE3IG1waCkgYnV0IHNvbWUg dGVzdHMgd2VudCBhIGJpdCBvdmVyIDEyMG1waC4gRFMyMUlFICgnNjkpIHBlcmZvcm1lZAp0aGUg c2FtZS4KCkFueXdheSwgdGhlcmUncyBtdWNoIG1vcmUgdG8gdGhpcyBjYXIgdGhhbiBzcGVlZCA7 LSkKCkNoZWVycywKLS0gCkNhcmxvcyBKLiBTYW50aXN0ZWJhbiBTYWxpbmFzCklFUyBUdXJhbmlh bmEgKFJvcXVldGFzIGRlIE1hciwgQWxtZXJpYSkKPGh0dHA6Ly9janNzLnN5dGVzLm5ldC8+Ci0t IApfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fXwpPcHRpb25zOiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMudGhvbWFzY2xhdXNlbi5uZXQvbWFpbG1h bi9saXN0aW5mby9vbHltcHVzCkFyY2hpdmVzOiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMudGhvbWFzY2xhdXNlbi5u ZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9wcml2YXRlL29seW1wdXMvClRoZW1lZCBPbHltcHVzIFBob3RvIEV4aGliaXRp b246IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudG9wZS5ubC8KCg== From nilsf Wed May 5 14:21:27 2010 Received: (qmail 22296 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 12:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 12:21:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31CEE1808F for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672ACE24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF5D34AC02A for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0286434AC029 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:21:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 931 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:35:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:21:15 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dude - Who stole my 0.56ms? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 14:21:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be162c761007801554290 On 05 May 2010, at 1:10 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> For portraiture, the 85/2 kicks a llama's @ss. > > It does: > (F.Zuiko 85/2, Delta > 100) > > But also depends on the version. I've got three -- silvernosed > F.Zuiko, MC > and a late 'just' Zuiko. I've compared them and with a (borrowed) > 90/2... > for long distance, a quick review would be: > > -the oldest is best for portraits, quite soft wide open but with even > performance all over the frame > -the MC is great for some types of astrophotography -- high contrast > at the > espense of resolution > -the late one if the best for general purpose... but my sample > focuses a tad > beyond infinity, which is very bad for astropics :-( Hi Carlos, I posted this informal portrait (I'm not really into formal portraits) in another message yesterday, but just to relate it to this thread: If one has, and loves, the 85/2.0 for portraits that's great, but in all the images I've seen, it doesn't offer near the subject isolation and "pop" that the 90/2.0 offers, nor does it render out of focus backgrounds as "smoothly". I sometimes get the feeling that certain lenses render their out-of-focus areas with different degrees of contrast (regardless of smoothness / gaussian-ness of the circle of confusion) and the 90/2.0 seems to render it's in-focus area with string contrast and "pop", and somehow always renders even high-contrast backgrounds with very low contrast. I don't know enough about lens design to even know how possible / differentiable this may be, but if so, it may be the secret to the "look" of the 90/2.0. Who knows... I just know that, bulk aside (the 85/2.0 is much prettier and smaller) the 90/2.0 remains perhaps my favourite lens ever: I am not in the least tempted by the 85/2.0 or 100/2.0. http://tinyurl.com/36sx7y3 (OM-1n, 90/2.0 at 2.0, Ilford HP5, 5x7in hand print) Again, I really suck at portraits, this was posted only for technical purposes. Carlos, I do think that I appreciate and enjoy the 24/2.0 as much as you do, however. My copy generally has low contrast (it's a really ancient, silvernosed "beater" that I got for $200), but the resolution is sure there. Mine has quite bad flare and coma in the outer zones at f/2.0 though, but it's got good character, and it's superb from f/4.0 onwards. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 14:23:39 2010 Received: (qmail 32110 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 12:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 12:23:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875D4E1809D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8B9E24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D6334AC027 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B03134AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 05:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23680 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 12:23:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 12:23:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE1633F.1010903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 08:23:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100505-0, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 14:23:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1634b26635034211378 But a guide number won't do you much good for a fill flash. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > My Kodak photoguide has all the numbers for bulbs and reflectors. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 15:00:23 2010 Received: (qmail 2551 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25A8E180A3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F097E24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2EEE47229 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0BDE4722A for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4398435fxm.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 06:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.149.193 with SMTP id k1mr838025hbb.58.1273064400832; Wed, 05 May 2010 06:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:00:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6940CCD960EF4A83AB218B286EFF2905@hudson> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <6940CCD960EF4A83AB218B286EFF2905@hudson> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 15:00:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be16be7304301234514069 Well John I can't sing so that look just won't work for me. Charlie On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:35 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Charles ........... what's not to like about Buddy Holly style black frame > glasses ? > > According to the eye shop I use these are coming back into vogue ! > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Geilfuss" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best > lensmaterial these days? > > > > Ian, > > As a wearer of eyeglasses since the age of 11 years, I'm a big fan of > > polycarbonate lenses and would never return to glass. Some of this may > > depend on the strength of your prescription and the style of glasses. > Mine > > are -6 diopters so it requires a pretty hefty lens. Glass has a bit > higher > > refractive index than plastic but is much heavier. The style these days > in > > the US is for a smaller diameter lens so it keeps down the edge > thickness. > > Hopefully we never go back to the 70's look in eye wear (picture Atom > Ant, > > the cartoon character not the rocker). I have found the scratch resistant > > coating to be very effective; I can't remember the last time I got a > > scratch. Just be sure to stay away from cleaners with ammonia, it will > > take > > it right off. > > > > Charlie > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:58 AM, SwissPace wrote: > > > >> I need new eye glasses, I bought some plastic ones about five years sago > >> but was very dissapointed with the coatings which scratched relatively > >> eassily so reverted back to my glass photochromic lenses. > >> > >> With 5 boys and an active life I need tough ones, This time I was > >> thinking of getting rimless ones and asked about tough lenses. the > >> assistant quoted polycarbonate with photochromic capabilities, however > >> on reading on wikepedia I see that polycarbonate does not have the best > >> optical characteristics and also has a tendency for chromatic > >> abberation, I don't know if this is a problem in general use. I seem to > >> recall Zeiss announcing some lens material as scratch resistant as glass > >> but haven't seen any reviews > >> > >> Has anyone recently studied this recently and have some recommendations > >> ? Thanks in advance > >> > >> IanW > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 5086 (20100504) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5086 (20100504) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 15:24:58 2010 Received: (qmail 6467 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 13:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 13:24:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B679E180AD for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE09DE24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D797BE47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75363E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31716 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 13:24:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100505-0, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 15:24:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be171aa281811560218263 ShenHao is apparently located in Shanghai. I you click on the "Where to buy" link on the Chinese language page it appears to show only a map of what I assume is Shanghai. Plenty of places. On the English language page there is a list of worldwide distributors. There aren't many but there is a US link which points to Badger Graphic Sales in Wisconsin. Badger carries both the folding 617 at $1399.95 and non-folding 617 at $1599.95 The folding model is cheaper at Badger than on ebay but slightly more expensive for the non-folding model. I have no idea how these prices compare to what can be had in Shanghai. I also know nothing about lens prices except that a used Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon for 5x7 coverage from KEH is in the $700-1000 range. And that probably doesn't include a center filter. Chuck Norcutt Sandy Harris wrote: > On 5/5/10, Sandy Harris wrote: > >> If you look back through the list archives, there's something from >> me on camera shopping in Shanghai. > > Ooops. Not on this list. > http://photo.net/travel-photography-forum/00TWbU > >> I mentioned a few stores >> that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of >> ShenHao stuff on their shelves. >> >> If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not >> before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 15:27:40 2010 Received: (qmail 15276 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 13:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 13:27:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC142E1809B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F22E24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B634AC029 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3C034AC027 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1379 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 13:27:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 15:27:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1724c245331560218263 Wow, nice shot. That must be your 28-300 Tamron? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out > shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on > the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six days. > > Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and > process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, > shooting away. :-) > > Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. > > > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 15:29:44 2010 Received: (qmail 20396 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 13:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 13:29:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43CBE18098 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D7AE24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCE7E47229 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF26DE47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2764 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 13:29:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100505-0, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses - please - what is the best lensmaterial these days? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 15:29:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be172c8102172013633067 Worse wasn't referring to the quality or production capability but rather the profit margin to the dealer over the probable cost of production. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > On 5/4/2010 12:13 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Worse, they're probably not ground but just molded... an even cheaper process. >> > > Better, I'd say, as it allows double aspherical graduated lenses, such > as I wear. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 15:49:52 2010 Received: (qmail 20915 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 13:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 13:49:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85591E180AC for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A61E24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337C334AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B019234AC02D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.221.249]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1Y00DWA92P9AQ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 05 May 2010 08:49:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE17773.80304@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 09:49:39 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 15:49:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1778033651258626592 I often put a dot of epoxy at the top and bottom knurled area of the sync selector (only by request of course). Also, FP can be disabled by cutting or disconnecting one of the sync wires in the bottom. I haven't done that in a while so am unable to specify which wire it is. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Mike, > I've heard of people putting the sync switch on X then applying a > small > dab of Loctite. A permanent fix (and who uses flashbulbs anymore); but > you > may want to run that by John first; a fix like that is likely to give > him a > case of the willies. > > Charlie > > > Thanks Charlie, > John mentioned some doohickey to prevent a repeat performance. I'd > rather have a root canal. > > Come to think of it there is likely a substantial stash of FP > flashbulbs &bracket at my childhood home in NY state. I will be going > there soon > to help my Mom with landscaping. Perhaps I can rig a superpowered F280 > equivalent for the OM-2 if I can figure out the output at > various speeds . On second thought, sounds quite cockamamie. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 16:14:52 2010 Received: (qmail 5689 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 14:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 14:14:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA440E180CA for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED5AE24AA3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED8E34AC029 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E2E34AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14so613398vws.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.27.6 with SMTP id g6mr5687483qac.125.1273068883792; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:14:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE17243.4060408@chucknorcutt.com> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> <4BE17243.4060408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:14:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 16:14:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be17d5c262665368819438 Very nice. To get that close, you must be lighter on the feet, and quieter, than I - even with a zoom. Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 16:29:53 2010 Received: (qmail 9641 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42043E180C0 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E57E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1134AC029 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9466A34AC027 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so1918737yxe.22 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:29:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.101.16 with SMTP id d16mr6088958anm.75.1273069775145; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 16:29:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be180e1157421234514069 Right you are, Charlie, and this was highlighted for me in Japan where my wife was able to get a new pair of glasses with prescription polycarbonate lenses for about $60 USD. Here she is getting fitted with my old college roommate looking on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4519554546/in/set-721576234961208= 67/ (OM-2n w/ OMZ 35/2) The whole operation was slick; they had a variety of frames sitting out for customers to look at and try on. Once my wife decided on frames, the technician measured her eyesight using a super fancy machine, and took the numbers and matched them to premade lenses, which were then finished and installed in the frames. It took less than an hour, and the results were great. I wish they had an operation like that in the States! > =A0 While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most over-priced thin= g on > the market? I mean I can buy an iPod that has more computing power than t= hat > used for Apollo 11 to go to the moon for about $150. Yet my glasses made = of > two pieces of ground plastic/ glass (by a technique not much changed since > Galileo was in the business) and some bent wire will run over $300. What > gives? > > Charlie > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 16:41:03 2010 Received: (qmail 16482 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 14:41:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6C4E180BE for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD435E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF58E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963FDE47213 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so2147177gwj.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.143.12 with SMTP id v12mr5754922ann.88.1273070442546; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 16:41:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1837f165007801554290 >"Contemplating black coffee" >http://tinyurl.com/335lyon >(OM-1, 24/2.0 at f/4.0, FP4, 5x7in hand print) >There's a bit of a story behind this one. -snip Dawid, I saw that photo on RFF, and enjoyed it very much. Thanks for sharing the back story. And since you asked for some black and white photos shot with an OM and film, here ya go [all the negatives were developed in Diafine and scanned using a Plustek]: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3980950055/in/set-72157622516184758/ (OM-2n w/ OMZ 28/2, on Tri-X) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3196301510/in/set-72157615114313784/ (OM-2n w/ OMZ 50/1.4, Tri-X) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3986595185/in/set-72157622093119030/ (OM-2n w/ OMZ 28/2, Tri-X) And here is a test shot from my recently acquired UG condition 100/2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4580406656/ (OM-2n w/ OMZ 100/2, Superia 200) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 17:21:01 2010 Received: (qmail 18505 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 15:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 15:21:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47D0E180B4 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E5DE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0428634AC02E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09F434AC02A for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.221.249]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1Y007DNDAIPHI9@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 05 May 2010 10:20:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE18CCC.6080809@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:20:44 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 17:21:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be18cdd73521744846740 Anyone looking for a very clean 3Ti? I am readying one for sale. 5% off my site price to any list member. Pictures are up on my site. http://www.zuiko.com/index_018.htm ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 17:49:42 2010 Received: (qmail 32144 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 15:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 15:49:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026DDE180A4 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D614FE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C127434AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569D034AC028 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o45FnS3s004287 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:49:32 GMT Message-ID: <1ABC5E4E94FD44F1AC96DA65CA81C9C8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:49:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 17:49:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1939689461950411718 Hi Moose, Beautiful composition and detail. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:27 AM Subject: [OM] Quail! > I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out > shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on > the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six > days. > > Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and > process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, > shooting away. :-) > > Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. > > > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 19:29:09 2010 Received: (qmail 20534 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 17:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 17:29:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F9EE180B2 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157ACE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B4734AC029 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:28:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FBE34AC034 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:28:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DryV1e00316AWCUA7tUy8w; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:28:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([76.115.42.101]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DtUx1e00B2Axmu48StUxxb; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:28:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4BE1AAD6.5060600@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 10:28:54 -0700 From: Paul Laughlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 14: sunshine, mountains, meat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 19:29:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1aae5314392439112457 On 5/5/2010 5:03 AM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Theoretically, top speed for the non-injected DS21 was 178 km/h, or almost > 111 mph. The fastest model in the range, the DS23IE ('72) was quoted at 188 > km/h (117 mph) but some tests went a bit over 120mph. DS21IE ('69) performed > the same. > > Anyway, there's much more to this car than speed ;-) > > Cheers, > That adjustable road clearance for one thing. Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 19:34:26 2010 Received: (qmail 22484 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 17:34:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E44E180BB for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86182E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86255E4B23E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B391E4B23C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so2463324ywh.26 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.96.6 with SMTP id y6mr6204238anl.152.1273080860122; Wed, 05 May 2010 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 12:34:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] OT sorry for the mass mail X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 19:34:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1ac22310161006886880 Sorry for the mass mail, but a member contacted me off list and every time I tried to respond to his email it bounced back. Jrockman, not trying to ignore you, but your email isn't working. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 20:23:58 2010 Received: (qmail 8189 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 18:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 18:23:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16110E1809D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF572E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1BA34AC03D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40F034AC03C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn12 with SMTP id 12so3952839iwn.8 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.147.201 with SMTP id m9mr636146ibv.11.1273083811716; Wed, 05 May 2010 11:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 11:23:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE18CCC.6080809@verizon.net> References: <4BE18CCC.6080809@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:23:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e1a7f5798e43deda Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 20:23:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1b7be146601136683642 For fear of being accused of all sorts of enabling comments, I'll refrain from spouting off about this one of a kind near perfect camera. seriously, I don't think you want to know how I really feel about it. AG (buy it!!!!!!!!) Schnozz -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 21:55:06 2010 Received: (qmail 26044 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 19:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 19:55:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3923AE1808C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B40E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CD734AC043 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56FE34AC03F for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o45Jsoan020973 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:54:50 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e24.579cc57 (43974) for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD037-5c634be1cd02bb; Wed, 05 May 2010 15:54:48 -0400 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB021-5c634be1cd02bb; Wed, 05 May 2010 15:54:42 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:54:42 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 May 2010 15:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBAA3F01F3F2C-1F4C-AE2@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Macro light loss-continued X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 21:55:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1cd1a300835683411216 Ha, Had to comment when I saw this description of Big Foot. Don't get me wring it is a VERY nice lens but this one in Nykon mount is an extra 1K for being able to violate the no free lunch principle, AKA the 1st Law of thermodynamics: Moose is right about the web being an effective way to initiate and maintain fallacies. (Other mistatements there too--perhaps the fastest at that FL that goes 1:1) http://tinyurl.com/29eahjp Excerpt: caps are mine for emphasis "Product Details: The Voigtlander 125mm f 2.5 APO-Lanthar has 11 elements in 9 groups. With 9 aperture blades, making it round for very smooth and pleasant bokeh. The lens has a brightest aperture of 2.5 making it the fastest macro lens in the world. Not only that, most macro lenses when focused to 1:1, some light will be lost due to the high magnification. The Voigtlander 125SL is an exception. The lens keeps it's brightest aperture at 2.5 EVEN AT1:1. Many might not need the 2.5 aperture in macro, but f2.5 helps to keep the viewfinder bright at all times, thus easier in manual. If one needed the slowest speed, you can stop the lens down to the smallest aperture of f22." Measured light loss using the technique from JS--evenly lit wall, cloudy day---Light lost from infinity to 1:1 by light meter on OM-2 about 1.5 stops. That still seems weird (should be about 2) but less weird than zero. Related old conundrums related to that technique to measure light lost from extension or TC. Viv 90mm S1 matched TC --- 2 stops lost---PERFECT Used Z. 50/3.5 macro in front of these:. Tamron SP 7 element 2X TC is a bit over 1 stop. Tokina 2X TC 4element is a 1/3 stop less . OK, the slightly less light loss is from fewer interfaces but the absolute # stops losts seems Impossible--double the FL with same size physical aperture--must be 2 stops. arrgh Perhaps there is something to JS statement that the macro lenses with some floating elements with IF loose less light, but still don't see how. One of the list's best physicists has been too busy being productive capturing nice images to ponder such issues. Now that all is clear, must get back to work. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 22:01:27 2010 Received: (qmail 22353 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 20:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 20:01:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C412E1808C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FEBE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C6BE4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF35DE4B23D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23314 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2010 20:01:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2010 20:01:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE1CE89.9040800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:01:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100505-1, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 22:01:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1ce97217153900897491 I like the 28/2 shot best but I doubt it has much to do with the lens. Chuck Norcutt Nicholas Herndon wrote: >> "Contemplating black coffee" >> http://tinyurl.com/335lyon >> (OM-1, 24/2.0 at f/4.0, FP4, 5x7in hand print) >> There's a bit of a story behind this one. -snip > > Dawid, I saw that photo on RFF, and enjoyed it very much. Thanks for > sharing the back story. > > And since you asked for some black and white photos shot with an OM > and film, here ya go [all the negatives were developed in Diafine and > scanned using a Plustek]: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3980950055/in/set-72157622516184758/ > (OM-2n w/ OMZ 28/2, on Tri-X) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3196301510/in/set-72157615114313784/ > (OM-2n w/ OMZ 50/1.4, Tri-X) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/3986595185/in/set-72157622093119030/ > (OM-2n w/ OMZ 28/2, Tri-X) > > And here is a test shot from my recently acquired UG condition 100/2: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4580406656/ > (OM-2n w/ OMZ 100/2, Superia 200) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 22:12:48 2010 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 20:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 20:12:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3ACE1808F for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EC5E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1C0E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5CEE47213 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-8-163.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.8.163]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 836 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:12:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 22:12:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1d140320675683411216 Hello fellow Zuikoholics, Could anybody that owns / uses a 250/2.0 please check something for me on your lens? I noticed something odd today - when the lens is set wide open, and you look into it while pressing the DOF preview or tripping the shutter, the aperture blades stops down a little bit (unlike any other OM Zuiko that have used). I know object scales when looking into a huge piece of glass like this is deceiving, but it "appears" as if the aperture closes down by a radius of 5mm (perhaps less) - a small fraction when compared to stopping down to f/2.8, but still visible. I was just curious whether it's a quirk of my lens, or whether this is normal. The only other lens I've seen with similar behaviour, at certain focus distances, is the electronic Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro, but I know there are others (like the CV 125mm Macro). regards, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 22:45:47 2010 Received: (qmail 23858 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 20:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 20:45:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AAEE18090 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F2EE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635B834AC046 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3DA34AC043 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4850127fxm.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.163.67 with SMTP id o3mr1125825hbd.39.1273092339632; Wed, 05 May 2010 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:45:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 22:45:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1d8fb192021357919056 I believe the elusive 35-80 also shows this behavior... (it actually is a 35-80 f2-2,8 lens, and the movement is very minimal) Iwert 2010/5/5 Dawid Loubser : > Hello fellow Zuikoholics, > > Could anybody that owns / uses a 250/2.0 please check something for me > on your lens? > > I noticed something odd today - when the lens is set wide open, and > you look into it > while pressing the DOF preview or tripping the shutter, the aperture > blades stops down > a little bit (unlike any other OM Zuiko that have used). > > I know object scales when looking into a huge piece of glass like this > is deceiving, but > it "appears" as if the aperture closes down by a radius of 5mm > (perhaps less) - a small fraction > when compared to stopping down to f/2.8, but still visible. > > I was just curious whether it's a quirk of my lens, or whether this is > normal. The only other > lens I've seen with similar behaviour, at certain focus distances, is > the electronic > Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro, but I know there are others (like the CV > 125mm Macro). > > regards, > Dawid > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 5 23:39:03 2010 Received: (qmail 4146 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 21:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 21:39:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174EBE180A4 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CB7E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 14:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CD9E47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 14:38:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86BCE47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o45LctfW009537 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:38:55 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dc8.5d5b8a8 (55832) for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-md06.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD061-5bc64be1e568173; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:38:52 -0400 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB015-5bc64be1e568173; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:38:48 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 17:38:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 May 2010 17:38:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 5 23:39:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1e577242831073733319 The Zuiko 135 f4.5 macro has this characteristic--very easy to see. Wide open is really F4 for focusing but f4.5 during exposure. If I had a 250 f2 I'd gladly check. I am more than happy to do some extensive testing on your copy to confirm what you say. :-) http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/esif/om-sif/lensgroup/135mmf45.htm Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 00:23:30 2010 Received: (qmail 27869 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 22:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 22:23:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2E7E180BC for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9C5E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB3C3610001 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:23:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946A93618004 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o45MNKnQ014318 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:23:20 +1000 Message-Id: <201005052223.o45MNKnQ014318@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 06 May 2010 08:23:20 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:23:20 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 00:23:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1efe2326901950411718 > Ken Norton wrote: > > For fear of being accused of all sorts of enabling comments, I'll > refrain from spouting off about this one of a kind near perfect > camera. > > seriously, I don't think you want to know how I really feel about it. > > AG (buy it!!!!!!!!) Schnozz > Don't you need a backup ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 00:33:42 2010 Received: (qmail 12369 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 22:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 22:33:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9372EE1808D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C085EE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71792E4B23D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FB8E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 15:31:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-12-249.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.12.249]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 260 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:44:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:31:06 +0200 References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 00:33:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1f24629475683411216 So what you could be saying, is that the 250/2.0 is really a 250/1.8 for focusing :-) Wow :-) Or it's really a 250/2.2... But before we start making assumptions, I'd really like somebody in the know to confirm, or somebody with another 250/2.0 to check their lens' behavour. I'm afraid it'll be difficult for you to extensively test my lens which is currently in Johannesburg, South Africa - far, far away from you I think :-) On 05 May 2010, at 11:38 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > The Zuiko 135 f4.5 macro has this characteristic--very easy to see. > Wide open is really F4 for focusing but f4.5 during exposure. > If I had a 250 f2 I'd gladly check. I am more than happy to do some > extensive testing on your copy to confirm what you say. :-) > > http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/esif/om-sif/lensgroup/135mmf45.htm > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 01:12:30 2010 Received: (qmail 3500 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 23:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 23:12:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D9E180B7 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD87E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874EF34AC02B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4792634AC028 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o45NCAqY024370 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:12:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c03.3c9642c3 (45077) for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC031-5c5f4be1fb41105; Wed, 05 May 2010 19:12:05 -0400 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB015-5c5f4be1fb41105; Wed, 05 May 2010 19:12:01 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 19:12:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 May 2010 19:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBABF806309C2-1F4C-2FD2@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 01:12:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1fb5e243811234514069 Moose wrote: I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six days. Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, shooting away. :-) Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! A. Sneaky Moose Great shot. You did not even have to use the longest FL of the zoom. Thanks for posting. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 01:31:22 2010 Received: (qmail 17202 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 23:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 23:31:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADDAE180AD for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8565E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89070E47229 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE58E47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 May 2010 19:31:16 -0400 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.9-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id DXB77740 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Wed, 5 May 2010 19:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.10.9-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20100505193115.DXB77740@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 01:31:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be1ffca39501220213263 > While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most > over-priced thing on the market? I mean I can buy an iPod > that has more computing power than that used for Apollo 11 > to go to the moon for about $150. ... Two reasons I can think of. First, you're not just paying for the little piece of plastic, you are paying for the engineering and logistics to make the lens. The manufacturer needs to make and stock permutations of each power correction in each diameter, in each lens material times each level of cylindrical (astigmatism) correction. For bifocals, multiply that by each level of close-up correction, etc, etc. But the biggest cost is hand-fitting each pair of glasses, done by local professionally licensed people, not the third- world wage-slaves that assembled the Ipod. It is also a low- volume business compared to something like the Ipod, so the markups are huge to cover overhead. Most large eyewear chains in the USA don't compete that much on price, so I don't know if there really are economies of scale. ----- Larry Woods -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 01:37:00 2010 Received: (qmail 20438 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2010 23:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2010 23:36:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8547BE180A9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60A6E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92B34AC026 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774F934AC025 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.221.249]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1Z005F909907E4@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 19:36:47 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 01:37:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2011c325065368819438 Camera (to put it mildly) sold to Dawid Loubser. As we all know, he is already the proud owner of a 250mm f2. Thank you very much Dawid. -- ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 02:12:51 2010 Received: (qmail 2300 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 00:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 00:12:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E71E1809F for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B13E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478A5E4B242 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB105E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sctroy@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms19.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.99]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 May 2010 20:12:39 -0400 Received: (from ms19.lnh.mail.rcn.net [173.62.166.159]) by ms19.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id CJJ64055 (AUTH sctroy@rcn.com); Wed, 5 May 2010 20:12:38 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.10.8-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <20100505201238.CJJ64055@ms19.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 20:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 02:12:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be20983246071234514069 I checked my 250/2 - I see no hint of the aperture blades at all at f/2.0. The sawblade pattern only appears when I stop down to 2.8. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 02:20:16 2010 Received: (qmail 5034 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 00:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 00:20:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9279EE1808C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A32E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B84E53263 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33B9E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so7062959iwn.14 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.138 with SMTP id dm10mr3120077ibb.73.1273105208718; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:20:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 19:20:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70f40fb437714eea Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 02:20:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be20b3f110651342116753 Whahoo. Way to keep it in the family! Congrats Dawid!!! You're going to absolutely love that meter for B&W work. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 02:56:24 2010 Received: (qmail 15520 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C51E180A9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1627EE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140E13610001 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02D334AC02A for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so2481089gwj.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:56:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.210.33 with SMTP id m33mr7391982anq.161.1273107372673; Wed, 05 May 2010 17:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.127.7 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE171A1.1020104@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE171A1.1020104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:56:12 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 02:56:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be213b883511234514069 I'm in the process of putting together a 4x5 system, and not too long ago I got a Shen-Hao PTB 45 through Badger Graphic. I haven't accumulated everything necessary to take and develop pictures yet, but the camera seems quite nice. Very light and the movements are reasonably easy to do. Of course, this is just through playing around so far, but I'm looking forward to putting some film through it. I looked at the panoramic cameras, but as it's less than half the price I figured I'd start with 4x5 and at some point I could try a 6x12 or 6x17 back on it. Mark On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ShenHao is apparently located in Shanghai. =A0I you click on the "Where to > buy" link on the Chinese language page it appears to show only a map of > what I assume is Shanghai. > Plenty of places. =A0On the English language page there is a list of > worldwide distributors. =A0There aren't many but there is a US link which > points to Badger Graphic Sales in Wisconsin. > > Badger carries both the folding 617 at $1399.95 > > and non-folding 617 at $1599.95 > > The folding model is cheaper at Badger than on ebay but slightly more > expensive for the non-folding model. =A0I have no idea how these prices > compare to what can be had in Shanghai. =A0I also know nothing about lens > prices except that a used Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon for 5x7 > coverage from KEH is in the $700-1000 range. =A0And that probably doesn't > include a center filter. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Sandy Harris wrote: >> On 5/5/10, Sandy Harris wrote: >> >>> If you look back through the list archives, there's something from >>> =A0me on camera shopping in Shanghai. >> >> Ooops. Not on this list. >> http://photo.net/travel-photography-forum/00TWbU >> >>> I mentioned a few stores >>> =A0that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of >>> =A0ShenHao stuff on their shelves. >>> >>> =A0If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not >>> =A0before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. >>> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 02:58:14 2010 Received: (qmail 3279 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 00:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 00:58:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EBDE180B2 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C307EE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA1234AC034 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A45634AC032 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 17:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o460uo4t001675 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:56:50 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c1f.804fcc94 (55761) for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD052-5c784be213cb1e7; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:56:47 -0400 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB037-5c784be213cb1e7; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:56:43 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:56:42 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 May 2010 20:56:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBACE20C59446-1F4C-4077@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 02:58:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be214261315683411216 JH says: Camera (to put it mildly) sold to Dawid Loubser. As we all know, he is already the proud owner of a 250mm f2. Thank you very much Dawid. Wow, Congrats, Dawid. It's a beauty. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 03:05:12 2010 Received: (qmail 21420 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 01:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 01:05:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1E0E180A5 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F7E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AE1E47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB93AE47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (moc63@oztralia.com whitelisted) Received: from aus21.net2max.com (aus21.net2max.com [82.165.176.65]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your79ee1290a9 (95.16.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.16.95]) by aus21.net2max.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD0010C604 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 11:05:04 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael O'Carrigan" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:05:11 +1000 Message-ID: <002f01caecb8$2f158ec0$8d40ac40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrsj1yCChH4xqCxThWzXF3j0rUtkQAKDwYw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 03:05:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be215c832821950411718 I am lucky enough to have access to two 250mm f2 Zuiko lenses and neither of them do what you describe. At wide open (f2) there is no movement of the aperture blades when the DOF preview is pressed. Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2010 6:12 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? Hello fellow Zuikoholics, Could anybody that owns / uses a 250/2.0 please check something for me on your lens? I noticed something odd today - when the lens is set wide open, and you look into it while pressing the DOF preview or tripping the shutter, the aperture blades stops down a little bit (unlike any other OM Zuiko that have used). I know object scales when looking into a huge piece of glass like this is deceiving, but it "appears" as if the aperture closes down by a radius of 5mm (perhaps less) - a small fraction when compared to stopping down to f/2.8, but still visible. I was just curious whether it's a quirk of my lens, or whether this is normal. The only other lens I've seen with similar behaviour, at certain focus distances, is the electronic Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro, but I know there are others (like the CV 125mm Macro). regards, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 04:34:01 2010 Received: (qmail 5712 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 02:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 02:33:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9BBE180B2 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7680EE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65894E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009BBE47213 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30213 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 02:33:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100505-1, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Macro light loss-continued X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 04:34:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be22a99231496107113666 I really have no idea but would suggest that it's possible the Big Foot reduces its focal length when focusing at macro ranges such that the f/2.5 aperture at 125mm might be, say, f/2 at 100mm. Just sayin' Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Ha, > Had to comment when I saw this description of Big Foot. Don't get me > wring it is a VERY nice lens but this one in Nykon mount > is an extra 1K for being able to violate the no free lunch principle, > AKA the 1st Law of thermodynamics: Moose is right about the web being > an effective way to initiate and maintain fallacies. (Other > mistatements there too--perhaps the fastest at that FL that goes 1:1) > > http://tinyurl.com/29eahjp > > Excerpt: caps are mine for emphasis > > > "Product Details: The Voigtlander 125mm f 2.5 APO-Lanthar has 11 > elements in 9 groups. With 9 aperture blades, making it round for very > smooth and pleasant bokeh. The lens has a brightest aperture of 2.5 > making it the fastest macro lens in the world. Not only that, most > macro lenses when focused to 1:1, some light will be lost due to the > high magnification. The Voigtlander 125SL is an exception. The lens > keeps it's brightest aperture at 2.5 EVEN AT1:1. Many might not need > the 2.5 aperture in macro, but f2.5 helps to keep the viewfinder bright > at all times, thus easier in manual. If one needed the slowest speed, > you can stop the lens down to the smallest aperture of f22." > > Measured light loss using the technique from JS--evenly lit wall, > cloudy day---Light lost from infinity to 1:1 by light meter on OM-2 > about 1.5 > stops. That still seems weird (should be about 2) but less weird > than zero. > > > Related old conundrums related to that technique to measure light lost > from extension or TC. > > Viv 90mm S1 matched TC --- 2 stops lost---PERFECT > > Used Z. 50/3.5 macro in front of these:. Tamron SP 7 element 2X TC is > a bit > over 1 stop. > > Tokina 2X TC 4element is a 1/3 stop less . OK, the slightly less > light loss is from fewer interfaces but the absolute # stops losts seems > Impossible--double the FL with same size physical aperture--must be 2 > stops. arrgh > > > Perhaps there is something to JS statement that the macro lenses with > some floating elements with IF loose less light, but still > don't see how. > One of the list's best physicists has been too busy being productive > capturing nice images > to ponder such issues. > Now that all is clear, must get back to work. > > Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 04:37:25 2010 Received: (qmail 20065 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 02:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 02:37:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F85E180A5 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3713AE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377F134AC041 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23D134AC035 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31442 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 02:36:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 02:36:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE22B28.4060305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:36:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100505-1, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 04:37:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be22b65181861879814018 Just send him plane fare, Dawid. I'm sure he'll come right over. :-) Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > So what you could be saying, is that the 250/2.0 is really a 250/1.8 for > focusing :-) Wow :-) Or it's really a 250/2.2... > > But before we start making assumptions, I'd really like somebody in > the know to confirm, or somebody with another 250/2.0 to check > their lens' behavour. > > I'm afraid it'll be difficult for you to extensively test my lens > which is currently in Johannesburg, South Africa - far, far away from > you > I think :-) > > > On 05 May 2010, at 11:38 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> The Zuiko 135 f4.5 macro has this characteristic--very easy to see. >> Wide open is really F4 for focusing but f4.5 during exposure. >> If I had a 250 f2 I'd gladly check. I am more than happy to do some >> extensive testing on your copy to confirm what you say. :-) >> >> http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/esif/om-sif/lensgroup/135mmf45.htm >> >> Mike >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 04:39:53 2010 Received: (qmail 21792 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 02:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 02:39:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5D3E1809C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D5CE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7468E47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54788E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 662 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 02:39:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100505-1, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 04:39:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be22bf9218871234514069 I guess that would be OK for 6x12 but 17cm is 6.69 inches. It won't fit very well on a 4x5 back. You need a 5x7 for that. Chuck Norcutt Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: > I'm in the process of putting together a 4x5 system, and not too long > ago I got a Shen-Hao PTB 45 through Badger Graphic. I haven't > accumulated everything necessary to take and develop pictures yet, but > the camera seems quite nice. Very light and the movements are > reasonably easy to do. Of course, this is just through playing around > so far, but I'm looking forward to putting some film through it. I > looked at the panoramic cameras, but as it's less than half the price > I figured I'd start with 4x5 and at some point I could try a 6x12 or > 6x17 back on it. > > Mark > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> ShenHao is apparently located in Shanghai. I you click on the "Where to >> buy" link on the Chinese language page it appears to show only a map of >> what I assume is Shanghai. >> Plenty of places. On the English language page there is a list of >> worldwide distributors. There aren't many but there is a US link which >> points to Badger Graphic Sales in Wisconsin. >> >> Badger carries both the folding 617 at $1399.95 >> >> and non-folding 617 at $1599.95 >> >> The folding model is cheaper at Badger than on ebay but slightly more >> expensive for the non-folding model. I have no idea how these prices >> compare to what can be had in Shanghai. I also know nothing about lens >> prices except that a used Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon for 5x7 >> coverage from KEH is in the $700-1000 range. And that probably doesn't >> include a center filter. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Sandy Harris wrote: >>> On 5/5/10, Sandy Harris wrote: >>> >>>> If you look back through the list archives, there's something from >>>> me on camera shopping in Shanghai. >>> Ooops. Not on this list. >>> http://photo.net/travel-photography-forum/00TWbU >>> >>>> I mentioned a few stores >>>> that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of >>>> ShenHao stuff on their shelves. >>>> >>>> If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not >>>> before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 04:42:42 2010 Received: (qmail 17321 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 02:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 02:42:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14FAE180AD for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BF4E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9411EE47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DC3E47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1461 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 02:41:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100505-1, 05/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 04:42:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be22ca225487801554290 Sorry, I forgot the most important part. Thanks for the feedback on the quality of the ShenHao 4x5. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I guess that would be OK for 6x12 but 17cm is 6.69 inches. It won't fit > very well on a 4x5 back. You need a 5x7 for that. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: >> I'm in the process of putting together a 4x5 system, and not too long >> ago I got a Shen-Hao PTB 45 through Badger Graphic. I haven't >> accumulated everything necessary to take and develop pictures yet, but >> the camera seems quite nice. Very light and the movements are >> reasonably easy to do. Of course, this is just through playing around >> so far, but I'm looking forward to putting some film through it. I >> looked at the panoramic cameras, but as it's less than half the price >> I figured I'd start with 4x5 and at some point I could try a 6x12 or >> 6x17 back on it. >> >> Mark >> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Chuck Norcutt >> wrote: >>> ShenHao is apparently located in Shanghai. I you click on the "Where to >>> buy" link on the Chinese language page it appears to show only a map of >>> what I assume is Shanghai. >>> Plenty of places. On the English language page there is a list of >>> worldwide distributors. There aren't many but there is a US link which >>> points to Badger Graphic Sales in Wisconsin. >>> >>> Badger carries both the folding 617 at $1399.95 >>> >>> and non-folding 617 at $1599.95 >>> >>> The folding model is cheaper at Badger than on ebay but slightly more >>> expensive for the non-folding model. I have no idea how these prices >>> compare to what can be had in Shanghai. I also know nothing about lens >>> prices except that a used Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon for 5x7 >>> coverage from KEH is in the $700-1000 range. And that probably doesn't >>> include a center filter. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Sandy Harris wrote: >>>> On 5/5/10, Sandy Harris wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you look back through the list archives, there's something from >>>>> me on camera shopping in Shanghai. >>>> Ooops. Not on this list. >>>> http://photo.net/travel-photography-forum/00TWbU >>>> >>>>> I mentioned a few stores >>>>> that seem to specialise in view & panoramic cameras. Plenty of >>>>> ShenHao stuff on their shelves. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone needs to know more, I could likely find out, but not >>>>> before July when I'll next be in Shanghai. >>>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 04:55:20 2010 Received: (qmail 9469 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186DDE1807E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C977E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0530834AC042 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6C34AC041 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:55:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 19:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7717 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2010 02:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 02:55:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE22F84.80302@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 19:55:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> <4BE17243.4060408@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE17243.4060408@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 04:55:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be22f98269011560218263 Thanks to everyone who looked and especially those who commented: On 5/5/2010 6:27 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Wow, nice shot. That must be your 28-300 Tamron? > Indeed, the VC (IS) version I use for most of my shootin'. On 5/5/2010 7:14 AM, Paul Cox wrote: > Very nice. To get that close, you must be lighter on the feet, and quieter, than I - even with a zoom. > It was all the practice I'd just had sneaking up on the flora along that trail. :-) On 5/5/2010 8:49 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Moose, > > Beautiful composition and detail. Thanks for sharing. Thank you! On 5/5/2010 4:12 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Great shot. You did not even have to use the longest FL of the zoom. > I think it's a bit sharper at around 200mm than 300, although I haven't done any real testing. The image size on the sensor isn't much different, so I pulled it down a bit as I got closer. > Thanks for posting. My pleasure! D. Quail Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 05:14:35 2010 Received: (qmail 26738 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 03:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 03:14:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FC3E180A4 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DCFE24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E02C34AC047 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24F334AC042 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2516126gxk.8 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.59.16 with SMTP id m16mr7758280ank.84.1273115666512; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.127.7 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:14:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE22BF2.3000006@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE171A1.1020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE22BF2.3000006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:14:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 05:14:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2341b165361744846740 You're welcome. 6x17 is possible but the back adds some extension, so ultrawides wouldn't work. A recessed lens board would help, but I don't know how wide one could go. https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=3Dproduct_detail&p=3D123 Mark On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I guess that would be OK for 6x12 but 17cm is 6.69 inches. =A0It won't fit > very well on a 4x5 back. =A0You need a 5x7 for that. > > Chuck Norcutt -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 05:24:51 2010 Received: (qmail 30989 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 03:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 03:24:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083D0E1809C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E6E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF5D3610001 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35DD34AC03D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg4 with SMTP id 4so559890pvg.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.107.2 with SMTP id j2mr6374911rvm.200.1273116285300; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 04:24:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 05:24:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2368377939752976205 Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for themselves? A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny scratches on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at the lower left rear corner. Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, battery, cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwork. Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but standard screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for this list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. Go on - find out for yourself...! =A3650 to you lot. Tom -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 06:41:10 2010 Received: (qmail 23173 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 04:41:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9F5E18094 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A16E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25B2E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F746E47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17012 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2010 04:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 04:41:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE24856.7020801@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:40:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBAA3F01F3F2C-1F4C-AE2@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE22A8F.4070308@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE22A8F.4070308@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Macro light loss-continued X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 06:41:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2486610099752976205 On 5/5/2010 7:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I really have no idea but would suggest that it's possible the Big Foot reduces its focal length when focusing at macro ranges such that the f/2.5 aperture at 125mm might be, say, f/2 at 100mm. > Unless it has an internal Photon Flux Multiplier. A. Quantum Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 06:56:52 2010 Received: (qmail 30861 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 04:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 04:56:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BABAE180A7 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD4DE24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08D3E4B23C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E685E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13077 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2010 04:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 04:56:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE24C05.8030908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 21:56:37 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Bet you've never seen one of these ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 06:56:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be24c14163875683411216 - At least I'll bet you haven't, as it only grows on parts of Mt. Diablo and can be seen only in the spring. Two other images of it, in different light, flank it in the gallery. The quail image was just a bonus, as we went for the wildflowers, and quite wonderful they were. Now I have the images - and only need an expert to tell me what they are. :-) Actually, a few were either fully or partly past their prime and buds showed others to come. A real survey would probably require weekly visits for at least two months, maybe more. Al Wild Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 07:10:37 2010 Received: (qmail 16724 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 05:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 05:10:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10390E180AA for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73463E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B92234AC042 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA0D34AC03D for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11355 invoked from network); 6 May 2010 05:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.39.84.100) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 05:10:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4BE24C05.8030908@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:10:13 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4BE24C05.8030908@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Bet you've never seen one of these ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 07:10:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be24f4d198884877110844 They look nice as photographed by you, in any event. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 6, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Moose wrote: > - > > > At least I'll bet you haven't, as it only grows on parts of Mt. Diablo > and can be seen only in the spring. Two other images of it, in different > light, flank it in the gallery. > > The quail image was just a bonus, as we went for the wildflowers, and > quite wonderful they were. Now I have the images - and only need an > expert to tell me what they are. :-) > > Actually, a few were either fully or partly past their prime and buds > showed others to come. A real survey would probably require weekly > visits for at least two months, maybe more. > > Al Wild Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 07:56:52 2010 Received: (qmail 2542 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 05:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 05:56:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CBFE180B9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E736E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA3BE47229 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D84E47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so3969114wyf.20 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 22:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.141.137 with SMTP id m9mr3677437wbu.202.1273125402551; Wed, 05 May 2010 22:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y23sm4732869wby.10.2010.05.05.22.56.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 May 2010 22:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:56:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE24C05.8030908@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE24C05.8030908@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Bet you've never seen one of these ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 07:56:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be25a24111631073733319 I think that I have, but I can't remember what it might be. And the quail looked great, by the way. Chris On 6 May 2010, at 05:56, Moose wrote: > - > > > At least I'll bet you haven't, as it only grows on parts of Mt. Diablo > and can be seen only in the spring. Two other images of it, in different > light, flank it in the gallery. > > The quail image was just a bonus, as we went for the wildflowers, and > quite wonderful they were. Now I have the images - and only need an > expert to tell me what they are. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 07:58:52 2010 Received: (qmail 2954 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 05:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 05:58:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E63DE18088 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B6BE24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B97E4B23B for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C705EE47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 22:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11988 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2010 05:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 05:56:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE25A1A.6080207@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:56:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE07173.9010603@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] My first photo book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 07:58:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be25a9c193153900897491 I know a few others here have at least mentioned ordering photo books, some with links. I've been waiting for a 'sign', and got it when MyPublisher.com offered a special trial of their new books with printed cover, rather than dust jacket - $29, plus $9 shipping, for their ~8.5x11" hardcover book. So I put together a book of 100 images, the maximum they can handle. I chose images from my Three Days in Brooklyn project because it was a set requiring minimal work to ready for a book and because of the wide range of subjects, lighting, etc. I submitted the order on the afternoon of 4/12, after their operations were closed. I got a progress update and link to an online version on the 15th., shipping notice on the 19th. and received it on the 24th. So 11 days to get it. The on-line version isn't bad, just barely big enough to give a sense of the contents, and with a nice interface. I was really impressed with almost everything about the result. Thick, high quality paper beautifully printed, as good as any photo books I have. In fact, it made my a bit disappointed with the printed image quality in "Galen Rowell, A Retrospective", that I ran across at a used book store today. Bought it anyway. :-) Those who have seen it have been literally wowed. I guess there really is something about good images on heavy paper in a book that has more impact than smaller versions of the same images in a web gallery. ;-) Before I get into too much detail ... I recall several comments and a couple of links to folks others have posted here. In reading on-line user reviews, it's clear that quality has varied for various publishers over the last few years. I have trouble imagining better paper and images than I got, and wonder if anyone on the list has recent experience(s) they'd like to share. I downsampled from my full size processed images using FastStone, adding a bit of sharpening so they wee very slightly crunchy. I didn't realize until later that FS doesn't include the color profile, at least in downsized JPEGs from PSD files. So I had sent on what I suppose were aRGB images without embedded profiles. Nevertheless, the colors are excellent. There are a lot of different skin tones in the set and several friends have been through the book without any negatives comments on any colors. I seem to have hit the sharpening too, as detail is excellent. About the only thing I would be aware of next time is that shadows are pulled down a bit compared to viewing on screen. Not enough to be a problem except on one , relatively unusual, image. MyPublisher's book prep software isn't bad, but a bit obscure at first. With real instructions, it would be pretty good. The page layout feature uses various frames, "molds" I think they call them. I wasted some time trying to work with them. I couldn't seem to get the single, portrait format image frame to come out the way I wanted it. Checking their FAQ, I found the pixel size for a full page image, 1600x1200 pixels. I gave up on the frames and used FS again to enlarge the canvas of all images to that size, with the non-image area black, as I like it. I then just dragged all the images into the book. I don't know if I did something wrong, but it seemed to apply random page layouts, so I had to go through page by page to get them all correct. However, that turned out to be a good thing for me. Never having put images in book form, I wouldn't have realized the importance of facing pages without that exercise. I left the images mostly in chronological order, but did move a few around (very easy) to make interesting two page spreads. I had gone through the book more than twice before submitting it. Something went wrong, perhaps the app sent the last formally saved version, rather than the live one. Anyway, all was well except for the very last page, a full page landscape image that was cropped to a vertical with bit, white spaces on both sides. I dropped them a line and they immediately responded with a coupon number to reorder it for free with free shipping, overnight if I wanted it. I altered a couple of images slightly and flipped the order of one page spread, replaced a fancy cover font that didn't work well in small size and sent it off. Now I have a second, perfect copy. All in all, I'm impressed. I would take me a long time and undoubtedly cost more to print up all 100 images myself, especially in black ink cost for all the non-image areas. The list price of $113.95, plus $8.99 shipping comes to $1.22 per 8.5x11" image, all bound up in a nice quality cover. I imagine I'll a get couple of other books of images ready keep watch on their coupons. A. Wordy Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 08:06:34 2010 Received: (qmail 23259 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2430E180B6 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4B6E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A654E47229 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF61E47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-149-29.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.149.29]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 719 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:20:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <002f01caecb8$2f158ec0$8d40ac40$@com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:06:22 +0200 References: <002f01caecb8$2f158ec0$8d40ac40$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 08:06:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be25c6a297487801554290 Hmm, that's weird. To clarify, at f/2.0, when looking "through" the (unmounted) lens, the blades do not seem to stop down into the light path, but when you look "into" the lens (with good light) from the front, there is definitely clearly visible aperture blade movement. Are you guys *sure* ? Oh well, whether mine has weird behaviour or not, words still cannot describe what this lens can do, so I have no concerns. Dawid On 06 May 2010, at 3:05 AM, Michael O'Carrigan wrote: > I am lucky enough to have access to two 250mm f2 Zuiko lenses and > neither of > them do what you describe. At wide open (f2) there is no movement > of the > aperture blades when the DOF preview is pressed. Michael. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 08:09:36 2010 Received: (qmail 16517 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 06:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 06:09:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D256EE180AD for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AE2E24A9E for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024DCE47223 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082A9E47214 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:09:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-149-29.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.149.29]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 443 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:23:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:09:22 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 08:09:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be25d20100892013633067 I can't wait ken. Hopefully it won't take too many weeks for it to reach me here, and John and I still need to conclude the transaction, but I figured it's now or never - I am so committed and entrenched in the OM system now, may as well get the best body for my needs. I am specifically looking forward to: - Less vibration / noise than an OM-1, especially for Macro work - Faster top shutter speed - Diopter Adjustment Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me least! (I am an incident metering kind of guy) Dawid On 06 May 2010, at 2:20 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Whahoo. Way to keep it in the family! > > Congrats Dawid!!! > > You're going to absolutely love that meter for B&W work. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 08:34:53 2010 Received: (qmail 9821 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 06:34:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3602E18094 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD19E24105 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6962E4B23C for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14931E47228 for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so181328fge.8 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 23:34:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.165.7 with SMTP id v7mr730971hbd.176.1273127684242; Wed, 05 May 2010 23:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:34:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:34:44 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 08:34:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2630d45669730998309 Very nice Dawid, at least my 3Ti feels much safer now :). The 1/2000 is very welcome. Just to show what it can do... here are the images it made while on a trip to italy some years ago, all with 18mm, 35 shift, 50f2 and 100f2: http://zuiko.fotopic.net/c306358.html and one with the 21mm f2: http://zuiko.fotopic.net/p9631863.html from this series, I think one can guess which were made with the 21mm... http://zuiko.fotopic.net/c358943_13.html That 21 will be with me again soon, after some kind of extended loan:)... now just a quest for a good hood :) Iwert 2010/5/6 Dawid Loubser : > I can't wait ken. Hopefully it won't take too many weeks > for it to reach me here, and John and I still need to > conclude the transaction, but I figured it's now or never - > I am so committed and entrenched in the OM system now, may as > well get the best body for my needs. > > I am specifically looking forward to: > > - Less vibration / noise than an OM-1, especially for Macro work > - Faster top shutter speed > - Diopter Adjustment > > Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me least! > (I am an incident metering kind of guy) > > Dawid > > On 06 May 2010, at 2:20 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Whahoo. Way to keep it in the family! >> >> Congrats Dawid!!! >> >> You're going to absolutely love that meter for B&W work. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 10:31:39 2010 Received: (qmail 8648 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 08:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 08:31:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F80AE18095 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 01:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C6AE24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 01:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F022FE47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 01:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0977DE47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 01:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 01:31:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 619 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:45:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <94EE2751-EFEE-4C78-B761-AF5229E102C1@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:31:26 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 10:31:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be27e6b228471234514069 Yes Iwert, I was reaching the point of deciding to bug you to sell yours continually until you cave in under the pressure :-) At least yours wil be safe now, until I need a second body that is! No, just kidding, the OM-1n is wonderful, and will be a great second body, and/or the beautiful OM-2n that Clay donated to me... It's strange how you start out with one OM-1n, one or two lenses, and next thing you know you have a whole cabinet full of cool OM stuff. At least mine has nothing to do with collecting, I use everything extremely frequently. Your images are very pretty, I like the subdued colour tones. I am still not convinced that I want to ever seriously do colour work in 35mm, but I may experiment a bit soon, especially after Ken's inspiration. all the best, Dawid On 06 May 2010, at 8:34 AM, zuiko wrote: > Very nice Dawid, > > at least my 3Ti feels much safer now :). The 1/2000 is very welcome. > Just to show what it can do... here are the images it made while on a > trip to italy some years ago, > all with 18mm, 35 shift, 50f2 and 100f2: > > http://zuiko.fotopic.net/c306358.html > > and one with the 21mm f2: > > http://zuiko.fotopic.net/p9631863.html > > from this series, I think one can guess which were made with the > 21mm... > > http://zuiko.fotopic.net/c358943_13.html > > That 21 will be with me again soon, after some kind of extended > loan:)... now just a quest for a good hood :) > > Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 12:50:40 2010 Received: (qmail 22406 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 10:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 10:50:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9704E1806F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 03:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA7FE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CDB34AC02B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E84D34AC026 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8FAC484kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDF44hjSGrRJEMgSaBOoFFbgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,340,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="1951368" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 06 May 2010 22:50:15 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7243A20288; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:50:15 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 22:50:15 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: <0c51cb7273d322d3621e4073156489d5@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?=5BOT=5D_I_need_new_glasses_-_please_-_what_is_the?= =?utf-8?q?_best_lens_material_these_days=3F?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 12:50:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be29f00312821950411718 Hi all, To add my 2-cents' worth, where I live, if you buy everything new, the costing goes like this: Optician test - $ NZ 60 Glass/plastic lenses - pair - outwork - $ nz 140 Anti-reflection coating - $nz40 Frames ? you name it; most start at about $300, and the current minimalist fad of tiny lenses really has no frame; just the 'temples' or 'legs", fastened to the lenses. I recycled my frames, and they didn't argue. I've worn spectacles since I was 5 years old and much appreciate the eye protection they give. I think they rely on the markup on new frames to cover clerical services, shop rent,and so on. No change from me I'm afraid !! Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 13:02:37 2010 Received: (qmail 17092 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 11:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 11:02:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9517E180A9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACD3E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB70E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACBCE47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o46B2Per024903 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:02:25 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.bf3.6bd3f6b7 (37579) for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB054-92cb4be2a1c02da; Thu, 06 May 2010 07:02:24 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:02:24 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 72.46.198.242 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.196 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Bet you've never seen one of these ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 13:02:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2a1cd5852013633067 In a message dated 5/5/2010 11:56:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olymoose@gmail.com writes: _http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=California/MtD iablo/MitchellCreek&image=_MG_9647-48cria.jpg_ (http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=California/MtDiablo/MitchellCreek&image=_MG _9647-48cria.jpg) I don't know, however would agree with the others that say you did a great job. Was the 90mm a Zuiko? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 13:57:06 2010 Received: (qmail 6095 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 11:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 11:57:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B118EDC022 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF93E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C90E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE60E47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8426 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 11:56:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 11:56:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE2AE87.3040000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 07:56:55 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE0C1DC.7070500@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE171A1.1020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE22BF2.3000006@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100506-0, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A "little" (6x17) panoramic view camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 13:57:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2ae92103161076813867 Interesting. I obviously didn't think such was possible. Chuck Norcutt Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: > You're welcome. 6x17 is possible but the back adds some extension, so > ultrawides wouldn't work. A recessed lens board would help, but I > don't know how wide one could go. > > https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=123 > > Mark > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> I guess that would be OK for 6x12 but 17cm is 6.69 inches. It won't fit >> very well on a 4x5 back. You need a 5x7 for that. >> >> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:05:59 2010 Received: (qmail 11489 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:05:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EB7E1809F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9109DE24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5C3E47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E897E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14732 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 12:05:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:05:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2b0a7260791234514069 I don't need one but the price is pretty good. At today's exchange rate = that's $980. KEH BGN grade is $1169 and probably doesn't have all that = came in the original box... let alone the screen and OM adapter. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for > themselves? > = > A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny scratches > on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at t= he > lower left rear corner. > Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, battery, > cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwork. > = > Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but standard > screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. > = > Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for this > list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. > = > Go on - find out for yourself...! > = > =A3650 to you lot. > = > Tom -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:08:13 2010 Received: (qmail 31210 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:08:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C5DE180AB for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C22E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E90934AC027 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2D634AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15962 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 12:07:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100506-0, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Macro light loss-continued X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:08:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2b12d318031073733319 Ummm. I forgot about the optional extras. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > On 5/5/2010 7:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I really have no idea but would suggest that it's possible the Big >> Foot reduces its focal length when focusing at macro ranges such >> that the f/2.5 aperture at 125mm might be, say, f/2 at 100mm. >> > > Unless it has an internal Photon Flux Multiplier. > > A. Quantum Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:13:54 2010 Received: (qmail 1603 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AA0E18086 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D622E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A94C34AC029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5362834AC025 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.220.115]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1Z00GITZAKDMTA@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 06 May 2010 07:13:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE2B26E.1080208@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:13:34 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:13:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2b2822302517112723 Wow, great shot! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out > shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on > the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six days. > > Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and > process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, > shooting away. :-) > > Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. > > > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:32:10 2010 Received: (qmail 27910 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EC0E180BF for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58F8E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874AA34AC02D for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B48734AC027 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.220.115]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2000H6C05C0PQZ@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 06 May 2010 07:32:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:32:03 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:32:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2b6ca58595683411216 I don't know, it may be a quirk of that lens. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > So what you could be saying, is that the 250/2.0 is really a 250/1.8 for > focusing :-) Wow :-) Or it's really a 250/2.2... > > But before we start making assumptions, I'd really like somebody in > the know to confirm, or somebody with another 250/2.0 to check > their lens' behavour. > > I'm afraid it'll be difficult for you to extensively test my lens > which is currently in Johannesburg, South Africa - far, far away from > you > I think :-) > > > On 05 May 2010, at 11:38 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> The Zuiko 135 f4.5 macro has this characteristic--very easy to see. >> Wide open is really F4 for focusing but f4.5 during exposure. >> If I had a 250 f2 I'd gladly check. I am more than happy to do some >> extensive testing on your copy to confirm what you say. :-) >> >> http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~rwesson/esif/om-sif/lensgroup/135mmf45.htm >> >> Mike >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:36:10 2010 Received: (qmail 1200 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:36:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B360E180AC for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9370E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBE234AC026 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFE934AC025 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so5338083fxm.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 05:35:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.137 with SMTP id g9mr1995230hbh.6.1273149311754; Thu, 06 May 2010 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:36:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2b7ba7021234514069 On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for > themselves? > =A3650 to you lot. That's very tempting, and if I hadn't bought that 50-200 last year I'd probably snap it up. I could certainly use the high ISO performance next bank holiday weekend (music festival in Derbyshire again, lots of dim interiors). Ummm, ahhh, sorry, I think I'll have to skip it for now. Don't fancy lending me it for that weekend? -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 14:50:38 2010 Received: (qmail 12845 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 12:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:50:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84522E180A2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238FCE24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF68234AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9018234AC026 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 05:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14888 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 12:50:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100506-0, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My first photo book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 14:50:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2bb1e291471073733319 Interesting but the resolution limit for an 8.5x11 page seems very low. at my normal 300ppi, 1200 x 1600 is less than what I'd normally use for 4x6. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > I know a few others here have at least mentioned ordering photo books, > some with links. > > I've been waiting for a 'sign', and got it when MyPublisher.com offered > a special trial of their new books with printed cover, rather than dust > jacket - $29, plus $9 shipping, for their ~8.5x11" hardcover book. So I > put together a book of 100 images, the maximum they can handle. > > I chose images from my Three Days in Brooklyn project because it was a > set requiring minimal work to ready for a book and because of the wide > range of subjects, lighting, etc. > > I submitted the order on the afternoon of 4/12, after their operations > were closed. I got a progress update and link to an online version on > the 15th., shipping notice on the 19th. and received it on the 24th. So > 11 days to get it. > > The on-line version isn't bad, just barely big enough to give a sense of > the contents, and with a nice interface. > > > I was really impressed with almost everything about the result. Thick, > high quality paper beautifully printed, as good as any photo books I > have. In fact, it made my a bit disappointed with the printed image > quality in "Galen Rowell, A Retrospective", that I ran across at a used > book store today. Bought it anyway. :-) > > Those who have seen it have been literally wowed. I guess there really > is something about good images on heavy paper in a book that has more > impact than smaller versions of the same images in a web gallery. ;-) > > Before I get into too much detail ... I recall several comments and a > couple of links to folks others have posted here. In reading on-line > user reviews, it's clear that quality has varied for various publishers > over the last few years. I have trouble imagining better paper and > images than I got, and wonder if anyone on the list has recent > experience(s) they'd like to share. > > I downsampled from my full size processed images using FastStone, adding > a bit of sharpening so they wee very slightly crunchy. I didn't realize > until later that FS doesn't include the color profile, at least in > downsized JPEGs from PSD files. So I had sent on what I suppose were > aRGB images without embedded profiles. > > Nevertheless, the colors are excellent. There are a lot of different > skin tones in the set and several friends have been through the book > without any negatives comments on any colors. I seem to have hit the > sharpening too, as detail is excellent. About the only thing I would be > aware of next time is that shadows are pulled down a bit compared to > viewing on screen. Not enough to be a problem except on one , relatively > unusual, image. > > MyPublisher's book prep software isn't bad, but a bit obscure at first. > With real instructions, it would be pretty good. The page layout feature > uses various frames, "molds" I think they call them. I wasted some time > trying to work with them. I couldn't seem to get the single, portrait > format image frame to come out the way I wanted it. Checking their FAQ, > I found the pixel size for a full page image, 1600x1200 pixels. > > I gave up on the frames and used FS again to enlarge the canvas of all > images to that size, with the non-image area black, as I like it. I then > just dragged all the images into the book. I don't know if I did > something wrong, but it seemed to apply random page layouts, so I had to > go through page by page to get them all correct. However, that turned > out to be a good thing for me. Never having put images in book form, I > wouldn't have realized the importance of facing pages without that exercise. > > I left the images mostly in chronological order, but did move a few > around (very easy) to make interesting two page spreads. I had gone > through the book more than twice before submitting it. Something went > wrong, perhaps the app sent the last formally saved version, rather than > the live one. Anyway, all was well except for the very last page, a full > page landscape image that was cropped to a vertical with bit, white > spaces on both sides. > > I dropped them a line and they immediately responded with a coupon > number to reorder it for free with free shipping, overnight if I wanted > it. I altered a couple of images slightly and flipped the order of one > page spread, replaced a fancy cover font that didn't work well in small > size and sent it off. Now I have a second, perfect copy. > > All in all, I'm impressed. I would take me a long time and undoubtedly > cost more to print up all 100 images myself, especially in black ink > cost for all the non-image areas. The list price of $113.95, plus $8.99 > shipping comes to $1.22 per 8.5x11" image, all bound up in a nice > quality cover. I imagine I'll a get couple of other books of images > ready keep watch on their coupons. > > A. Wordy Moose > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 15:08:12 2010 Received: (qmail 31489 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 13:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 13:08:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684FDE180B5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1482E24105 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E95F34AC02F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AE634AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.220.115]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2000EE61T64Q20@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 06 May 2010 08:07:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 09:07:56 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> In-reply-to: <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 15:08:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2bf3c234635034211378 ONE quirk of this 3Ti. I had to replace the diopter adjustment knob, and had to use one that does not have the white dot on it. Many / most new replacement parts for the 3Ti are now NLA. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > I can't wait ken. Hopefully it won't take too many weeks > for it to reach me here, and John and I still need to > conclude the transaction, but I figured it's now or never - > I am so committed and entrenched in the OM system now, may as > well get the best body for my needs. > > I am specifically looking forward to: > > - Less vibration / noise than an OM-1, especially for Macro work > - Faster top shutter speed > - Diopter Adjustment > > Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me least! > (I am an incident metering kind of guy) > > Dawid > > On 06 May 2010, at 2:20 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Whahoo. Way to keep it in the family! >> >> Congrats Dawid!!! >> >> You're going to absolutely love that meter for B&W work. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 15:18:11 2010 Received: (qmail 12380 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 13:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 13:18:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD391E180C7 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A811E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6926D34AC02B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D9534AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so1677067fgg.8 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:18:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.134 with SMTP id l6mr153255hbh.151.1273151883728; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 06:18:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:18:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 15:18:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2c19366931258626592 Very nice shot of a handsome bird Moose. Much better looking bird than its eastern cousin the Bobwhite. Sadly ours is disappearing; population has dropped somewhere around 90% the last 20 years. Charlie On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Moose wrote: > I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out > shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on > the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six > days. > > Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and > process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, > shooting away. :-) > > Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. > < > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=California/MtDiablo/MitchellCreek&image=_MG_9754cria.jpg > > > > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 16:25:53 2010 Received: (qmail 1667 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 14:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 14:25:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7B1E1809D for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AACE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E77E4722A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D369AE4722B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so5520gya.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.170.143 with SMTP id d15mr865679ibz.13.1273155945808; Thu, 06 May 2010 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE1633F.1010903@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE1633F.1010903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:25:45 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d34154c60a07821 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 16:25:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2d171302142517112723 > > But a guide number won't do you much good for a fill flash. > Why not? A guide number provides a known element in the equation for proper exposure that includes the following: 1. ISO sensitivity of the film or digital sensor 2. Ambient light level (basis for everything) 3. Effective flash brightness 4. Subject-to-flash distance. My working method would be something like this for outdoor fill on bright sunny day: 1. Determine the ISO I'm going to use for this--in lower light conditions or indoors, steps 1 and 2 are sometimes recursive. For bright sunny day, I'm usually at ISO 100. 2. Measure ambient light level and place the exposure of the ambient high, low or at the "proper" exposure. If I'm balancing the light in such a way that the ambient is dead-on, then it will look something like a Sunny-16 exposure, or inotherwords some equivalent to F16 at 1/125. However, that means that with a camera like an OM with 1/60 flash sync speed, that makes it F22 at 1/60. So, I may grab the polarizer to knock off two stops and give myself F11 at 1/60, but when using film I prefer to run my ambient either a stop high or a stop low, so I'll do F8 at 1/60 with polarizer. With digital cameras, we have a little more flexibility, so my base exposure of F16 at 1/125 can go up to 1/180 or so, and with a polarizer, I can get back down to the F5.6-F7.1 region. (this is one area where the A1 shines because of the almost unlimited flash-sync speeds). But, for this example, let's stick with F16 at 1/125 and assume that it works with the camera. 3. A guide number is essentially the following equation: "GN = Distance * F-number". We have two numbers already. The published or calculated or metered GN of the flash, either electronic or bulb. . 4. We have the F-number from step #2, therefore, to determine flash distance from the subject we use the following: Distance = GN / F-Number. (you will need to make sure you are working in feet or meters). So, based on this calculation you will know exactly how far away from the subject to place your flash. Or the simplest way is to waste one bulb with a flash meter and adjust distance by estimation. AG (I don't even play Dr. Flash on television) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 17:01:38 2010 Received: (qmail 14091 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92077E180BA for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3A3E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AA8E47236 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C430BE4722A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so54290iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.16 with SMTP id dk16mr2375182ibb.90.1273158082765; Thu, 06 May 2010 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:01:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21b3e1ad1a5dcaa1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dude - Who stole my 0.56ms? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 17:01:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2d9d2300745368819438 > > I posted this informal portrait (I'm not really into formal portraits) > in another message yesterday, but just to relate it to this thread: If one > has, > and loves, the 85/2.0 for portraits that's great, but in all the images > I've > seen, it doesn't offer near the subject isolation and "pop" that the 90/2.0 > offers, nor does it render out of focus backgrounds as "smoothly". I > sometimes > get the feeling that certain lenses render their out-of-focus areas with > different degrees of contrast (regardless of smoothness / gaussian-ness of > the circle of confusion) and the 90/2.0 seems to render it's in-focus area > with string contrast and "pop", and somehow always renders even > high-contrast backgrounds with very low contrast. > Sorry, that I haven't had a chance yet to post the results, but on Saturday I did a senior portrait session with the new L1 and 14-50 lens. I also used as my "B Setup" the E-1 with 100/2.8. On Sunday, using a small statue in our front yard, I did extensive stop-by-stop testing of all of my lenses at "head-shot" distance. Also, last Tuesday, I took around 40 portrait pictures of couples. Basically, enough shooting this past week to get a good idea of how the new lens stacks up. The 14-50 lens has a much tighter background. It essentially gives the background blurring of the 14-54 at one full-stop further closed down. F4 on the 14-50 looks like F5.6 on the 14-54, but compared to the 50/1.4, it's more like F8. That said, the bokeh is very comfortable and the contrasting is such that makes it look a lot more like the classic Zuikos. It has that dimming effect on the background which I've grown to love with the 100/2.8. As much as I'd like to shoot all of my portraits with beautiful blurry backgrounds, that is rarely the case. We do a handful of shots that way (usually head-shots), but the current style is predominantly "environmental" images which place the person within a scene. As such, the scene can't go all soft on you, but what is critical is to get adequate separation from the background. This separation is easily attainable with some lenses like the 35-80 or many of the F2 Zuikos. Even stopped down, these lenses give a different look than equivalent lenses of lesser amounts of glass. The 100/2.8, which remains my all-time favorite lens seems to give doggy bokeh on the 4/3 cameras as compared to film. What I think is going on here is the shooting distance. At closer distances (and expecially in near-macro), the bokeh is to die for. But at longer distances the bokeh gets a little busy. With the crop-factor of 4/3, I end up doubling my camera-to-subject distance which then causes the backgrounds to get crunchy. Probably the one lens in my arsenal that consistanty gives excellent bokeh at pretty much all apertures, distances and full-frame or 4/3 is the 35-80 F2.8. Just a touch soft in the sharpness department wide-open, the lens absolutely rocks in the way it draws the scene. The subject separation is the stuff of legends even when stopped down to the limits of acceptable diffraction. But, back to the separation thing for a moment--there are two ways we can accomplish this: Optically (combined with camera-subject-background distance alteration) and lighting. Use of the lighting you have at your disposal is a way to get the subject to stand out from the backround. One of the key reasons why we use "hair lights" or skimming lights is to provide a distinct line that pulls the subject out from the background. I did photograph my lighting setup from Saturday, which I think a few of you may find a little interesting and is now the basis of my new portable lighting configuration for 2010. (A few changes, modifications, improvements and additions to be made). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 17:15:31 2010 Received: (qmail 854 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 15:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 15:15:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CCAE180AA for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217C7E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DF4E47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF51E47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so61693fxm.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.191.210 with SMTP id c18mr664306hbi.16.1273158921780; Thu, 06 May 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 17:15:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2dd13163411560218263 Nicholas, That's pretty much how it is done at a number of chain Opticians here in the US (Lenscrafters is probably the largest); they are just more expensive. They have an Optometrist on site but he is paid separately to determine your prescription, and they are actually pretty reasonably priced. The glasses are priced a la carte. Lenses vary by the strength of the prescription, various coatings are extra (hardener, anti-UV, anti-reflective), and if you want the edges of the lenses polished instead of frosted. The frames vary a lot. They usually have a small selection of bland metal or molded plastic (suitable for combat) frames that are pretty cheap but anything with "style" jumps dramatically. I grouse about the expense but given that at my age the frames last many years, I'm probably complaining too much. What really ticks me off is they don't repair anything. If they were cheap I wouldn't care if they were considered "throw-aways". For instance I once broke off the end of an arm on a three year old pair. When I brought them in they told me..Oh we don't carry that frame any more so we can't get parts. I told them nevermind and went home and carved a new endpiece from a scrap of cherry wood. Lenscrafters has a special trick. I bought a new pair of glasses from them that were bifocals. About 13 months later I went back to get a second pair without the bifocals. They refused unless I had my eyes re-examined. I said no thanks and went to Pearl Vision who accepted my 13 month old prescription. Charlie On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Nicholas Herndon wrote: > Right you are, Charlie, and this was highlighted for me in Japan where > my wife was able to get a new pair of glasses with prescription > polycarbonate lenses for about $60 USD. > Here she is getting fitted with my old college roommate looking on: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4519554546/in/set-72157623496120867/ > (OM-2nw/ OMZ 35/2) > > The whole operation was slick; they had a variety of frames sitting > out for customers to look at and try on. Once my wife decided on > frames, the technician measured her eyesight using a super fancy > machine, and took the numbers and matched them to premade lenses, > which were then finished and installed in the frames. It took less > than an hour, and the results were great. > > I wish they had an operation like that in the States! > > > While on the topic of glasses; are they not the most over-priced thing > on > > the market? I mean I can buy an iPod that has more computing power than > that > > used for Apollo 11 to go to the moon for about $150. Yet my glasses made > of > > two pieces of ground plastic/ glass (by a technique not much changed > since > > Galileo was in the business) and some bent wire will run over $300. What > > gives? > > > > Charlie > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 18:29:28 2010 Received: (qmail 8272 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8691E18089 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36951E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8566E47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34D6E47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 140 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 18:29:16 +0200 References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 18:29:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2ee68107771342116753 John, I suspect if you haven't seen it before, then it's probably an anomaly with my lens (I suspect you've seen more than the rest of us combined). As I said, its very slight, I doubt that it could have any meaningful impact on exposure. thanks, Dawid On 06 May 2010, at 2:32 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > I don't know, it may be a quirk of that lens. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> So what you could be saying, is that the 250/2.0 is really a >> 250/1.8 for >> focusing :-) Wow :-) Or it's really a 250/2.2... >> >> But before we start making assumptions, I'd really like somebody in >> the know to confirm, or somebody with another 250/2.0 to check >> their lens' behavour. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 18:49:13 2010 Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 16:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 16:49:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9248E180B9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06BDE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC5034AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5986034AC029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so184728iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.168.9 with SMTP id s9mr2158586iby.7.1273164536507; Thu, 06 May 2010 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:48:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 60a4c2577577f2da Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 18:49:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2f30965662517112723 > > John, I suspect if you haven't seen it before, then it's probably > an anomaly with my lens... Well, then it's a perfect candidate for donation to the "Living History Farm." :) AG (farmer) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 18:58:59 2010 Received: (qmail 6729 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9340E180B3 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A08CE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998234AC02D for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEBA34AC029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 264 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 18:58:26 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 18:58:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2f55390256789618724 On 06 May 2010, at 3:07 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > ONE quirk of this 3Ti. I had to replace the diopter adjustment knob, > and had to use one that does not have the white dot on it. Many / > most > new replacement parts for the 3Ti are now NLA. John, you need to halve your price because of this! What outrage! :-) No, really, I doubt if anybody would have ever noticed had you not mentioned it John. To add to Ken's mentioning of "keeping it in the family", it's also so good to "buy in the family". I must admit, I have been very very tempted to buy this new-in-box, with all documentation and accessories 3Ti on the 'bay for $2000 (item #250622973793, ends May 7, 2010). This was before John listed his (er... soon to be mine...) example. Nice as a 100% original, new body in box, with all correct accessories body would be (even at $600 more expensive) - there is something much more special about buying it from a knowledgeable, passionate, super-honest source that had also just given it a service. Somebody in this "family" of geeks that are excited by a range of small 35mm film cameras. 10-15 years is not such a long time, but I am sure a body sitting in a box that long wouldn't actually operate nearly as nicely as a freshly tuned-up one. Also, if my plans work out, I may be subjecting it to some extreme (Arctic) cold in the next year or so, and I figured a tuned 3Ti stands a much better chance. John, you have made me happier than a new-in-box one could ever have, since I have seen what a mechanical body is like after it's passed through your hands (I bought Jim Couch's Black-lizard-skin OM-1, serviced by you in 2007, silky-smooth) Ken... Ken... Ken... (Norton, in case anybody is wondering). I understand you have often been pressured or "conditioned" by this list into exercising restraint when writing about the 3Ti. Well dude, I am sure you will now have a fellow fanatic (who will have difficulty in shutting up) on your side, preaching alongside you, if the 3Ti is even half of what it's cracked up to be :-) Since I love my OM-1(s) so much, one may ask why am I crazy enough to spend good money on an OM-3Ti? Up until fairly recently, I have been viewing 35mm as merely a toy format, something I originally took up to help me with my film technique, to be applied to medium format. I have come to realise that it's quite unlikely for me to regularly make darkroom prints larger than 12x16in - it's my "sweet spot". After making a couple of prints (some of them shot on Pan F, with the 90/2.0 Macro and 250/2.0) at that size, I have realised that at typical viewing distance, it's very hard to distinguish between 35mm and medium format. Such a print made from a 6x7cm negative can almost be examined under a microscope, whereas 35mm is clearly becoming stretched, requiring careful technique, but it's close enough on fine-grained film. So, I hate to admit it, but for "daily use" 35mm has won. And there will be no digital camera in my near future, that's just not the direction this hobby of mine has taken. And quite simply, I've taken 10x as many "keepers" with my OM egar, as what I have with my medium format gear (wonderful beasts as they are). So for travel / general use, I have settled on my OM kit, and the Linhof 6x17cm for occasional really spectacular, wide images (of which I shoot about 1 per month :-). As I will so seriously be using the OM system for the foreseeable future, I may as well spend what one could spend on a silly little Micro FourThirds body and two lenses, and get me the "best" OM body for my needs. This 3Ti will be in serious use, not at all in a cabinet. It's perhaps just as well I didn't prevent a "cabinet collector" / "investment buyer" (yes, a 3Ti is clearly an appreciating investment) from buying the new-in-box eBay sample, which will be worth $3000 or $4000 in another decade I am sure. Lastly, with a 3Ti, there will be no rangefinder camera in my future (something I have been thinking about). Even though they have so many truly appealing aspects, my favourite lenses (24mm F2, 90mm F2, 250mm F2), and the ways in which I use them, have no equivalent in rangefinder- land. In fact, I would have been happy just continuing to use the marvelous OM-1, but the 3Ti has a couple of features that I feel will improve my image-making process. And it's so darn sexy! Anyway, what a bunch of random ramblings... but I guess this is the right list for that sort of thing. all the best to y'all, from an (extremely) rainy South Africa Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:04:29 2010 Received: (qmail 21473 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:04:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E68E1809B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E1EE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D9734AC02F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD79A34AC028 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:02:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 393 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:02:29 +0200 References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:04:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2f69d86665368819438 In your dreams..... :-) If the darn thing would fit into my casket, I'd probably use some or other saying concerning prying things from my cold dead hands... On 06 May 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> John, I suspect if you haven't seen it before, then it's probably >> an anomaly with my lens... > > > > Well, then it's a perfect candidate for donation to the "Living > History > Farm." > > :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:11:17 2010 Received: (qmail 8457 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:11:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB07AE180A5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085BEE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B6734AC032 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DC234AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 52411 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2010 17:09:51 -0000 Message-ID: <645937.52245.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vk9Qgd4VM1lbfQNu_lDQlAdlghj_AVRPtZjxLZkWCp23KiG A6x14l6OeOY5MFDhbbz6JVsibUUgHOnvt3p1El8cMOgydV8RQ037OdA7NSX9 FamfcbkSmHCc7zOuhKLH0OVYXvjCTSY4ByLtK0lk0TRMRre67AIYkX__1mlX BwWwNfIFHwWHuuy3FU0JH8JSz9XFvpiSFJWuIE_FBAmw6AwYTjkCNq3OeXhF EHITkwccIW5GCe3CmtuH6nOm_iIozPZA2X4sMdUUHbshqF.s8x9NR2w-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:11:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2f835300235034211378 Beautiful camera. Congrats! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:22:25 2010 Received: (qmail 13569 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:22:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50500E180BC for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABFE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EF0E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8343EE4722B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f178.google.com (mail-yx0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so154917yxe.26 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.154.132 with SMTP id o4mr2045932ibw.68.1273166535478; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:22:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f578abf8fc22aa4b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:22:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2fad0213411234514069 > > Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me least! > (I am an incident metering kind of guy) > You say that now.... Just wait till the first time you spot-meter a high value, a low value and shove those two readings around on the scale until both land within the exposure range of your film. :) Incident is great (and I use it extensively--especially with a newly acquired L-508), but this multispot in manual mode is just beyond anything else out there. There is no comparison. I've been dealing with the conundrum of how to use the OM-3Ti. The one I have is in beautiful shape, but that means that I'm less likely to choose to use it in situations where it might get some wear. I want to take care of it, but at the same time, I don't want to be afraid of using it. However, when I know that knocks are likely, I'll definitely keep it in hiding--I've got two other cameras that have that patina of experience. That said, it did get a LOT of use this last week. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:38:43 2010 Received: (qmail 31098 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:38:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F141E180A5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759A1E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742AB34AC02A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB6634AC029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so166305ywh.26 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:37:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.183.140 with SMTP id cg12mr57843ibb.35.1273167433029; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 661acbbf9412ebec Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:38:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2fea3138641006886880 OK, we've all said it, we've fought it, and we've been tempted to go full-frame because of it. That's right, it's the DoF and selective background issue with FourThirds. Personally, I maintain that it's optics more than format--even though format does help matters as seen in the Bokeh Guitar photograph. Today, I've posted a new photograph on Zone-10 taken with the Zuiko 50/1.4 mounted on the Panasonic L1. Things to note: 1. Metered by hand with the Sekonic L508 2. White-balance manually set for the stage lighting 3. Shot at around F2.8 to fatten up the DoF as it was too narrow wide-open and she was moving so I needed to cover for focus slop in tracking the point where the bow met the strings. 4. In-camera JPEG. Resize only. Absolutely no PP done to the image. 5. The purple is the LED background stage lighting. 6. I think that was at ISO 800. A several personal thoughts about this: 1. The L1 is an extremely fine camera which met and exceeded my every expectation--but that was already established in other posts. 2. Thinking ahead and using an incident light meter allowed me to avoid bracketing safety shots and resulted in a perfectly exposed instrument. A good thing, as I metered for the OM-3Ti first and then moved the lens and same settings over to the L1. 3. The 50/1.4 is a blast to use. 4. The same settings (or as close as possible) on the 14-50 zoom lens resulted in a substantially different picture--one which confirms the general opinions about crop-sensor cameras. As always: www.zone-10.com AG (sometimes not AG) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:43:50 2010 Received: (qmail 5328 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDB7E180AB for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CFCE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BEAE47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC01E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so248538iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.153.130 with SMTP id k2mr171657ibw.78.1273167615738; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:40:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e6a801325f2e5024 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:43:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be2ffd6119681413256596 > > In your dreams..... :-) If the darn thing would fit into my casket, > I'd probably use some or other saying concerning prying things from > my cold dead hands... OK, I can see what kind of friend you are. ;) And here I was thinking about sharing my collection of lens caps with you. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:49:10 2010 Received: (qmail 1101 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:49:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A64E18095 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D62BE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D1D34AC02F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2C034AC02E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o46HmJ3s013832 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:48:23 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:48:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:49:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be30116321052013633067 Beautifully done, Ken. You handled the difficult stage lighting much better than I would have expected. You are making a case for my favorite choice: Prime lenses on a 4/3 body unless DOF must be increased. If so, go to the ZD 14-54. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds > OK, we've all said it, we've fought it, and we've been tempted to go > full-frame because of it. That's right, it's the DoF and selective > background issue with FourThirds. > > Personally, I maintain that it's optics more than format--even though > format > does help matters as seen in the Bokeh Guitar photograph. Today, I've > posted > a new photograph on Zone-10 taken with the Zuiko 50/1.4 mounted on the > Panasonic L1. > > Things to note: > 1. Metered by hand with the Sekonic L508 > 2. White-balance manually set for the stage lighting > 3. Shot at around F2.8 to fatten up the DoF as it was too narrow wide-open > and she was moving so I needed to cover for focus slop in tracking the > point > where the bow met the strings. > 4. In-camera JPEG. Resize only. Absolutely no PP done to the image. > 5. The purple is the LED background stage lighting. > 6. I think that was at ISO 800. > > A several personal thoughts about this: > 1. The L1 is an extremely fine camera which met and exceeded my every > expectation--but that was already established in other posts. > 2. Thinking ahead and using an incident light meter allowed me to avoid > bracketing safety shots and resulted in a perfectly exposed instrument. A > good thing, as I metered for the OM-3Ti first and then moved the lens and > same settings over to the L1. > 3. The 50/1.4 is a blast to use. > 4. The same settings (or as close as possible) on the 14-50 zoom lens > resulted in a substantially different picture--one which confirms the > general opinions about crop-sensor cameras. > > As always: > > www.zone-10.com > > AG (sometimes not AG) Schnozz > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:49:14 2010 Received: (qmail 730 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:49:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26771EDC01A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F0EE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD63E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5FCE47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so205073fxm.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.133.198 with SMTP id 6mr666692hbw.85.1273167895384; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:44:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:49:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3011a87121006886880 Don't be to careful, I mean, it's not a hammer, but... I've bought mine used, and it was rather nice. since then I've managed to get a tiny scratch on the prism hump and get the black parts on top brassed just a bit. The colour finish holds very well (there was quite some talk about here in the past). It got daily use as the "always with me camera" and it still looks fine after 6 years. And about the metering: I learned the light with this camera forcing me in thinking manual and providing excellent feedback! But a 4T on manual can do that just as well, but I flipped it way to often to "auto :)" Iwert 2010/5/6 Ken Norton : >> >> Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me least! >> (I am an incident metering kind of guy) >> > > > You say that now.... > > Just wait till the first time you spot-meter a high value, a low value and > shove those two readings around on the scale until both land within the > exposure range of your film. > > :) > > Incident is great (and I use it extensively--especially with a newly > acquired L-508), but this multispot in manual mode is just beyond anything > else out there. There is no comparison. > > I've been dealing with the conundrum of how to use the OM-3Ti. The one I > have is in beautiful shape, but that means that I'm less likely to choose= to > use it in situations where it might get some wear. I want to take care of > it, but at the same time, I don't want to be afraid of using it. However, > when I know that knocks are likely, I'll definitely keep it in hiding--I'= ve > got two other cameras that have that patina of experience. > > That said, it did get a LOT of use this last week. =A0:) > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:52:20 2010 Received: (qmail 15760 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:52:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406C1E18089 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AF4E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4A3E47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E03AE47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sctroy@erols.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 May 2010 13:52:09 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with ESMTP id QSA06747; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:52:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: sctroy Received: from 216-164-199-190.s1714.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (HELO PAB0180015360A.erols.com) ([216.164.199.190]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 May 2010 13:52:06 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20100506133756.01dde9f8@erols.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 13:52:04 -0400 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Stephen Troy In-Reply-To: <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:52:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be301d4122056107113666 At 12:58 PM 5/6/2010, Dawid wrote: >Also, if my plans work out, >I may be subjecting it to some extreme (Arctic) cold in the next year >or so, and I figured a tuned 3Ti stands a much better chance. Here's an interesting 3Ti tidbit - my brother was photographing an MRI machine for a hospital. Unfortunately for him, the strong magnetic fields of the MRI machine prevented his OM-4s from operating (wouldn't work at all). Luckily for him, he had his 3Ti in the camera bag - and, being mechanical, it worked perfectly. Yes, an OM-1 would also work, but he didn't carry one of those with him. When you have a couple 3Ti bodies, why carry an OM-1? I wonder how that would have worked with a DSLR... Steve Troy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 19:56:12 2010 Received: (qmail 6507 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D5EE180AC for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95B9E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629FE4722C for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E993E47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so186457gxk.8 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.170.143 with SMTP id d15mr1219883ibz.13.1273168563821; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:56:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df79154316fc75c5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 19:56:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be302bc187992439112457 > > And about the metering: I learned the light with this camera forcing > me in thinking manual and providing excellent feedback! But a 4T on > manual can do that just as well, but I flipped it way to often to > "auto :)" > BINGO! That's exactly my point about the 3Ti/4Ti. When I have Auto available, I tend to lean on it like a crutch. Unfortunately, then what happens I then have to accept the decisions the artificial brain comes up with. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 21:56:05 2010 Received: (qmail 2510 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 19:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 19:56:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E5FE18095 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9123E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28BDE4722B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57639E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 12:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAHK74kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDGI40jSOsdJB6gSaCf24E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,343,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="3401551" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 07 May 2010 07:55:56 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D463020267; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:55:55 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 07:55:55 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: <5ed216591a59a1b4eadc47d5bdbb79bd@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 21:56:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be31ed526471946193717 I have to say I'm envious of the quality of the shots that Moose took of the Californian quail and the ?orchid. Great detail and excellent colour quality. Those quail (also in NZ where they were introduced as a Game Bird) are notoriously difficult to get near to even when they are familiar with humans. Especially the cock birds who usually act as lookout for the covey when feeding. What lens(es) did you use, Moose? Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:00:39 2010 Received: (qmail 26996 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:00:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E570E180A2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78228E24AA4 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B50E4722F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0A1E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-166-99.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.166.99]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 879 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 20:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <07A9D03D-530F-403C-8E1E-CCD8A93FF9F8@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:59:33 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:00:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be31fe740821950411718 Ken, in all honesty, apart from explicit "Highlight" and "Shadow" buttons, the spot metering system of the OM-3Ti, whilst fantastic in its day, doesn't come close to that of the Canon 1Ds MkII I used to use. Much smaller, moveable spot area, also presented on a scale, and one could even take multi-spot flash readings to work out the perfect flash exposure, similar to what the OM-3/4 does with natural light. The 1D-series has two scales inside, cleverly allowing one to "superimpose" and relate flash exposure with natural light exposure. Of course, as Stephen Troy has said, the 1D would be dead "in the water" (pun intended? although it's amazingly weather sealed also) in the MRI scanner scenario :-) I am hugely looking forward to this sophisticated manual camera :-) D. On 06 May 2010, at 7:22 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Actually, the fancy meter is probably the bit that interests me >> least! >> (I am an incident metering kind of guy) >> > > > You say that now.... > > Just wait till the first time you spot-meter a high value, a low > value and > shove those two readings around on the scale until both land within > the > exposure range of your film. > > :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:03:27 2010 Received: (qmail 2375 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:03:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B58E180A6 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8FDE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AAE34AC043 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4B134AC040 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-166-99.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.166.99]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 570 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 20:16:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:02:23 +0200 References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:03:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3208f305421220213263 You know, I *am* desperately looking for a real Olympus 55mm cap for my 90/2.0, the damn cheap Soligor cap I am using keeps on falling off... D. On 06 May 2010, at 7:40 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> In your dreams..... :-) If the darn thing would fit into my casket, >> I'd probably use some or other saying concerning prying things from >> my cold dead hands... > > > > OK, I can see what kind of friend you are. > > ;) > > And here I was thinking about sharing my collection of lens caps > with you. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:08:09 2010 Received: (qmail 10402 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:08:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209CCE180A9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03321E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB8234AC02B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:07:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B446A34AC045 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-166-99.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.166.99]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 476 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 20:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2E111EFE-894E-4950-832D-465E851750D5@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:07:52 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:08:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be321a9126951946193717 I know it was the stage lighting, but the picture is too purple for my tastes, I would have adjusted the colour balance towards the warmer/ greener side of things. In all other respects, a beautiful photograph. But your "Bokeh Guitar" from last week is simply stunning, I absolutely love every aspect of that image, it has real soul. It really inspired my to shoot only my 50/1.4 for this past week, the roll is finished, will see if anything worthwhile printing this weekend emerges... Image aside, I'm really glad you got and are enjoying the Panasonic L1! Dawid On 06 May 2010, at 7:37 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > OK, we've all said it, we've fought it, and we've been tempted to go > full-frame because of it. That's right, it's the DoF and selective > background issue with FourThirds. > > Personally, I maintain that it's optics more than format--even > though format > does help matters as seen in the Bokeh Guitar photograph. Today, > I've posted > a new photograph on Zone-10 taken with the Zuiko 50/1.4 mounted on the > Panasonic L1. > > Things to note: > 1. Metered by hand with the Sekonic L508 > 2. White-balance manually set for the stage lighting > 3. Shot at around F2.8 to fatten up the DoF as it was too narrow > wide-open > and she was moving so I needed to cover for focus slop in tracking > the point > where the bow met the strings. > 4. In-camera JPEG. Resize only. Absolutely no PP done to the image. > 5. The purple is the LED background stage lighting. > 6. I think that was at ISO 800. > > A several personal thoughts about this: > 1. The L1 is an extremely fine camera which met and exceeded my every > expectation--but that was already established in other posts. > 2. Thinking ahead and using an incident light meter allowed me to > avoid > bracketing safety shots and resulted in a perfectly exposed > instrument. A > good thing, as I metered for the OM-3Ti first and then moved the > lens and > same settings over to the L1. > 3. The 50/1.4 is a blast to use. > 4. The same settings (or as close as possible) on the 14-50 zoom lens > resulted in a substantially different picture--one which confirms the > general opinions about crop-sensor cameras. > > As always: > > www.zone-10.com > > AG (sometimes not AG) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:22:22 2010 Received: (qmail 28721 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BE8E1808E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B49CE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA9FE47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDCFE4722A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15776 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 20:22:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 20:22:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE324F0.3050007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 16:22:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCB9F92148C87F-C3C-21AC@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0C3DB.1030202@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE1633F.1010903@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:22:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be324fe18961006886880 Sounds to me like you just doubled the exposure on the subject and just blew all the highlights. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> But a guide number won't do you much good for a fill flash. >> > > Why not? > > A guide number provides a known element in the equation for proper exposure > that includes the following: > > 1. ISO sensitivity of the film or digital sensor > 2. Ambient light level (basis for everything) > 3. Effective flash brightness > 4. Subject-to-flash distance. > > My working method would be something like this for outdoor fill on bright > sunny day: > > 1. Determine the ISO I'm going to use for this--in lower light conditions or > indoors, steps 1 and 2 are sometimes recursive. For bright sunny day, I'm > usually at ISO 100. > > 2. Measure ambient light level and place the exposure of the ambient high, > low or at the "proper" exposure. If I'm balancing the light in such a way > that the ambient is dead-on, then it will look something like a Sunny-16 > exposure, or inotherwords some equivalent to F16 at 1/125. However, that > means that with a camera like an OM with 1/60 flash sync speed, that makes > it F22 at 1/60. So, I may grab the polarizer to knock off two stops and give > myself F11 at 1/60, but when using film I prefer to run my ambient either a > stop high or a stop low, so I'll do F8 at 1/60 with polarizer. With digital > cameras, we have a little more flexibility, so my base exposure of F16 at > 1/125 can go up to 1/180 or so, and with a polarizer, I can get back down to > the F5.6-F7.1 region. (this is one area where the A1 shines because of the > almost unlimited flash-sync speeds). But, for this example, let's stick > with F16 at 1/125 and assume that it works with the camera. > > 3. A guide number is essentially the following equation: "GN = Distance * > F-number". We have two numbers already. The published or calculated or > metered GN of the flash, either electronic or bulb. . > > 4. We have the F-number from step #2, therefore, to determine flash distance > from the subject we use the following: Distance = GN / F-Number. (you will > need to make sure you are working in feet or meters). So, based on this > calculation you will know exactly how far away from the subject to place > your flash. > > Or the simplest way is to waste one bulb with a flash meter and adjust > distance by estimation. > > AG (I don't even play Dr. Flash on television) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:44:32 2010 Received: (qmail 26247 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A19E180B2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB38E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23E7E4722B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885C7E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so472739iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.150.131 with SMTP id y3mr2230221ibv.67.1273178637938; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2E111EFE-894E-4950-832D-465E851750D5@solms.co.za> References: <2E111EFE-894E-4950-832D-465E851750D5@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:43:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e295b55d3f131e33 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:44:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be32a30145829730998309 > > I know it was the stage lighting, but the picture is too purple for my > tastes, I would have adjusted the colour balance towards the warmer/ > greener side of things. In all other respects, a beautiful photograph. > Probably the saturation is a little steep, but if you look at the wood of the face of the violin you'll see that the color balance is correct. The purple was unavoidable as that was the wash in play at that moment. I did experiment with a conversion to B&W with a healthy dose of gamma adjustment and I do think I like it. I'll experiment more with it in PWP when I get a chance. The purple colorcast did bite me throughout the evening when I shot from the margins of the stage back towards the audience. Oh, BTW, these shots were taken during warmup. I try to get my on-stage shots during practice and warmup instead of during the live event--especially since it's videotaped too. > But your "Bokeh Guitar" from last week is simply stunning, I > absolutely love every aspect of that image, it has real soul. Thank you! I'm hoping for a moment this weekend to scan the negative and get it processed for a large metallic print. I'm thinking 20x30 inches? 24x36 inches? I'm going to have one printed up for the house and another for a fellow listee. Hmm... Quantity discount, anyone? > It really inspired my to shoot only my 50/1.4 for this past week, the roll > is finished, will see if anything worthwhile printing this weekend > emerges... > One of the things I try to do is inspire people to do different things. Break the stasis and do something different. I'm really not that good of a photographer, but I do try to disguise that fact by taking good photographs. Sometimes I actually succeed at this charade. If I can do it, anybody can. :) This is why the process is explained. > Image aside, I'm really glad you got and are enjoying the Panasonic L1! > It's the E-system body that Olympus should have made instead of playing copycat of Canon. The camera does have quirks--some of them can be just a little irritating at times, but on the whole, the camera feels right and inspires creativity and control. It surprised me how well the L1 and OM-3Ti integrated with each other. There is little to no shifting gears when shifting gear. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:52:49 2010 Received: (qmail 6348 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:52:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECE2E180A5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4DE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6F2E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF186E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:51:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so482425iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:51:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.170.143 with SMTP id d15mr1524198ibz.13.1273179103218; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:51:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:51:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e682185df2a8cd37 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:52:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be32c2186899752976205 > > You know, I *am* desperately looking for a real Olympus 55mm > cap for my 90/2.0, the damn cheap Soligor cap I am using keeps on > falling off... > LOL, too close to home. The reason for all these estranged lens caps is that I prefer the Tamron center-pinch variety that can be attached and taken off without removing the lens hood. BTW, since we're on this subject (subject #8 for this thread?) the Promaster lens caps, don't work so hot because the mechanisms on the glass side of the cap stick down so far they come in contact with the glass itself of some lenses. Avoid the Promaster caps unless you use filters. BTW, Dawid, we need your address for the print exchange. We've been holding up our chatting about the prints waiting for the prints to get shipped to you. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 22:57:34 2010 Received: (qmail 27093 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 20:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 20:57:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1EBE180B4 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F6CE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2124934AC041 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B588E34AC037 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8104 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 20:53:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 22:57:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be32d3e122696107113666 I assume the 14-50 you speak of is the Panasonic 14-50mm f/3.8-5.6 Vario-Elmar. Why would you even consider this lens as anything to be compared against the OM Zuiko 50 at f/2.8 when the Panasonic is operating at f/5.6 at 50mm? At f/5.6 the DOF is doubled over f/2.8. There are f/2.8 and faster lenses available for four thirds. You just don't have comparable test conditions. Furthermore, you are trying to defend four thirds against 35mm using a four thirds vs four thirds test in addition to incomparable lenses. Doesn't make sense. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > OK, we've all said it, we've fought it, and we've been tempted to go > full-frame because of it. That's right, it's the DoF and selective > background issue with FourThirds. > > Personally, I maintain that it's optics more than format--even though format > does help matters as seen in the Bokeh Guitar photograph. Today, I've posted > a new photograph on Zone-10 taken with the Zuiko 50/1.4 mounted on the > Panasonic L1. > > Things to note: > 1. Metered by hand with the Sekonic L508 > 2. White-balance manually set for the stage lighting > 3. Shot at around F2.8 to fatten up the DoF as it was too narrow wide-open > and she was moving so I needed to cover for focus slop in tracking the point > where the bow met the strings. > 4. In-camera JPEG. Resize only. Absolutely no PP done to the image. > 5. The purple is the LED background stage lighting. > 6. I think that was at ISO 800. > > A several personal thoughts about this: > 1. The L1 is an extremely fine camera which met and exceeded my every > expectation--but that was already established in other posts. > 2. Thinking ahead and using an incident light meter allowed me to avoid > bracketing safety shots and resulted in a perfectly exposed instrument. A > good thing, as I metered for the OM-3Ti first and then moved the lens and > same settings over to the L1. > 3. The 50/1.4 is a blast to use. > 4. The same settings (or as close as possible) on the 14-50 zoom lens > resulted in a substantially different picture--one which confirms the > general opinions about crop-sensor cameras. > > As always: > > www.zone-10.com > > AG (sometimes not AG) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:03:21 2010 Received: (qmail 28326 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:03:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EC5E18099 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1604E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D8034AC040 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3134534AC032 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 21:03:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 21:03:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE32E87.6060903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:03:03 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:03:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be32e99308911612113968 Get a *good* cap... a heavy duty Tamron center pinch. But I see that Olympus is now making center pinch caps too but only between 58 and 77mm. They're slightly more expensive than the Tamrons but a good buy relative to Nikon who charges twice the price. My two Tokinas are now shy about coming out of the camera bag since they've been forced to wear Tamron caps. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > You know, I *am* desperately looking for a real Olympus 55mm > cap for my 90/2.0, the damn cheap Soligor cap I am using keeps on > falling off... > > D. > > > On 06 May 2010, at 7:40 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >>> In your dreams..... :-) If the darn thing would fit into my casket, >>> I'd probably use some or other saying concerning prying things from >>> my cold dead hands... >> >> >> OK, I can see what kind of friend you are. >> >> ;) >> >> And here I was thinking about sharing my collection of lens caps >> with you. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:08:07 2010 Received: (qmail 14651 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:08:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84B7E18090 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6AEE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE4CE4722A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4469BE47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 967 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2010 21:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2010 21:03:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE32EA7.9090200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 14:03:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net> <38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] Lens caps [was 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:08:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be32fb7208527801554290 On 5/6/2010 1:02 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > You know, I *am* desperately looking for a real Olympus 55mm cap for my 90/2.0, the damn cheap Soligor cap I am using keeps on falling off... > It's possible you will find one here, maybe even from me. BUT - I don't recommend it. If you use the proper, deep, narrow hood, shared with the 135/4.5 Macro, getting a conventional, side push cap on and off is well nigh impossible. Getting one to clip on so it doesn't fall off at random times is part of that problem. The proper practical solution is the Tamron center/side squeeze cap. The name may be wrong, but the usability difference is night and day. Cut out an Olympus name off something and stick it over the Tamron name, if you need that. I use a few of these on various lenses, including, of course, the Tamrons that come with them. I used one happily on my 90/2, before I sold it. They are inexpensive, well made and make me wonder why more lens makers don't follow the idea. I'd have more if they came in more sizes, like 49mm. As it is, they do come in a number of useful sizes. Hama makes some that look similar in idea, but aren't as well made and have a functional flaw. At least on the 49mm size, the finger holes are smallish and the tabs one is supposed to push and grip are smooth and slippery. Frustrating when it shoots off my fingers into the lens or on the floor. :-( A. Capped Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:13:39 2010 Received: (qmail 22884 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:13:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E893E180A9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFF4E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F3C3610003 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7493610001 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18471 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 21:08:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:13:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be33102112891342116753 He used to use this: But has moved on to the VC (vibration compensation) version here and is what was used on the quail shot. I don't know about the orchid. I was tempted to get this as a walkaround lens also but was concerned about the performance of such a wide zoom range. But it clearly is plenty sharp at 206mm or whatever was posted on focal length for the quail shot. Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > I have to say I'm envious of the quality of the shots that Moose took of > the > Californian quail and the ?orchid. > > Great detail and excellent colour quality. Those quail (also in NZ where > they were introduced as a Game Bird) are notoriously difficult to get near > to even when they are familiar with humans. Especially the cock birds who > usually act as lookout for the covey when feeding. > > What lens(es) did you use, Moose? > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:24:36 2010 Received: (qmail 19468 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:24:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AEBE18099 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91458E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D429E47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D930E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg4 with SMTP id 4so171872pvg.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:23:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.125.20 with SMTP id c20mr7009680rvn.238.1273181035561; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:23:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:24:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3339441841744846740 On 6 May 2010 13:35, Ian Nichols wrote: > On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for > > themselves? > > > =A3650 to you lot. > > That's very tempting, and if I hadn't bought that 50-200 last year I'd > probably snap it up. I could certainly use the high ISO performance > next bank holiday weekend (music festival in Derbyshire again, lots of > dim interiors). Ummm, ahhh, sorry, I think I'll have to skip it for > now. Don't fancy lending me it for that weekend? > > > It's been on long term loan for some time; I'd be happy enough to meet anybody reasonably close to here if you want to have a go... Tom > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:44:09 2010 Received: (qmail 9513 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF78E1809A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43264E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC515E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793D4E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12105 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2010 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:44:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be33829819752976205 Very interesting. I'll have to remember to take my OM-1 if I should ever need to shoot MRI machines. I assume it would probably choke the DSLR as well. Chuck Norcutt Stephen Troy wrote: > At 12:58 PM 5/6/2010, Dawid wrote: >> Also, if my plans work out, >> I may be subjecting it to some extreme (Arctic) cold in the next year >> or so, and I figured a tuned 3Ti stands a much better chance. > > Here's an interesting 3Ti tidbit - my brother was photographing an > MRI machine for a hospital. Unfortunately for him, the strong > magnetic fields of the MRI machine prevented his OM-4s from operating > (wouldn't work at all). Luckily for him, he had his 3Ti in the > camera bag - and, being mechanical, it worked perfectly. > > Yes, an OM-1 would also work, but he didn't carry one of those with > him. When you have a couple 3Ti bodies, why carry an OM-1? > > I wonder how that would have worked with a DSLR... > > Steve Troy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 6 23:59:10 2010 Received: (qmail 6327 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 21:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 21:59:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217D2E180A9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68704E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F53E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E093E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so566687iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.182.140 with SMTP id cc12mr1834888ibb.18.1273183141302; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE32C53.6080006@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE32C53.6080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:59:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e3b0fe0d0c03d06b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Narrow DoF and FourThirds X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 6 23:59:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be33bae3641076813867 > > I assume the 14-50 you speak of is the Panasonic 14-50mm f/3.8-5.6 > Vario-Elmar. No, I have the original big momma. It's F2.8 to F3.5 wide-open. F2.8 vs F3.5 at 50mm is different, for sure, but the difference is slight. > Furthermore, you are trying to defend four thirds against 35mm using a four > thirds vs four thirds test in addition to incomparable lenses. Doesn't make > sense. > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I believe that the essence of my point is this: If a person wants to get around the inherent limitations of the crop-format camera, there are ways to accomplish this and it alone is not reason enough to crucify the format. The optical design of a modern zoom is a thing to behold. It's amazing how good in almost every way they've been able to make a zoom lens perform at the limits of technical perfection. But this technical perfection in a highly-corrected lens results in a different way of seeing. If all a person had was a couple zooms, he or she would have the focal-lengths covered with a lens capable of sharp, even pictures, but that also might come with a lens, such as the 14-50, that has very hard limits on how spread the OOF rays become. A double-Gauss lens, on the other hand, has inherent technical flaws, but does allow for a greater spread of the OOF rays. Technically, the DoF may calculate out about the same, but by controlling the maximum spread of the rays the resulting images will have more or less blurred effect. In some cases the maximum spread is reached and the rays start folding back in on themselves causing rings, donuts and targets. The 14-50 lens I'm using is better in nearly every way, optically, than the DZ 14-54 it is replacing. However, the apparant bokeh is between one and two stops different than the 14-54. Compared to the 50/1.4, the differences are even more stark. If the common wisdom about DoF, Bokeh and film/sensor formats was totally true, then the images would have nearly the exact same look regardless of the lens as long as the focal-length and aperture were the same. And we know that isn't true. But, basically, I'll let the pictures themselves show what I mean. The violin photo is supposably an "impossible shot" with FourThirds, and if we're talking about the usual FourThirds lenses, that would be true. (and I do have 14-50 versions of that shot to prove it). But by changing out the lens to a lens not designed for digital, not a zoom, and of one of the oldest designs in the history of photography, we can achieve images that defy the format. I guess this wasn't for somebody who has already seen the light and moved onto full-frame digital, but for those poor saps still using FourThirds, I'm just helping them out by showing them another option. :) No way I'm going to try and convince somebody who has a full-frame digital camera that FourThirds is "just as good". It isn't. But I wouldn't argue against FourThirds over it because of simple math. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 01:32:34 2010 Received: (qmail 29332 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B4AE1807B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB9CE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5938AE47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29719E47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg4 with SMTP id 4so207988pvg.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.125.20 with SMTP id c20mr7097771rvn.238.1273188747708; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 00:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG Lancaster X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 01:32:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3519262155034211378 I went to Lancaster yesterday to visit a friend and retrieve the 5D I am offering for sale. Coming back with this eased the pain of selling him my Hexar AF while I was there... http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/124280122 Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 01:41:28 2010 Received: (qmail 12954 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2010 23:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2010 23:41:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3720CE1807B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D33E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2A0E4722A for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7EFE47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o46NfFiJ025278 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:41:15 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d91.82b3949 (37535) for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB018-5bbd4be3539222; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:41:11 -0400 Received: from webmail-m085 (webmail-m085.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.197]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd4be3539222; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:41:06 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 19:41:06 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.197) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 May 2010 19:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 01:41:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be353a8153961136683642 4. We have the F-number from step #2, therefore, to determine flash distance from the subject we use the following: Distance = GN / F-Number. (you will need to make sure you are working in feet or meters). So, based on this calculation you will know exactly how far away from the subject to place your flash. Or the simplest way is to waste one bulb with a flash meter and adjust distance by estimation. AG (I don't even play Dr. Flash on television) Schnozz -- Thanks AG, For fill would obviously have to decide how many stops under full exposure would be optimal and account for the loss due to a pol. I would think the GN would be a f(shutter speed) like an F280. A bit of digging confirmed this. http://www.flashbulbs.com/BlueBulbs.htm I wonder if flash meter would really get an accurate reading with such a long burn?? Can any flash meter work well with an F280? OK, now we need the real McCoy Dr. Flash for that question, I think. I still am going hunting in my Mom's closet for that large stash of blue? and clear mini fusion reactors (they were HUGE, IIRC) and the bracket. Since the OM2 likes to be on FP mode it appears might as well use it for high speed macro sync/fill. Critters won't laugh at me at least. No X Sync Required Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 02:18:03 2010 Received: (qmail 6655 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 00:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 00:18:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E81E1808F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AF4E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AD534AC02B for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E52A34AC025 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2000IT6WUR7381@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 06 May 2010 21:18:27 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4EANv44ktMC2o8/2dsb2JhbACIcpYJvGcOhQUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,344,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="204546343" Received: from blk-11-106-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.60]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 06 May 2010 21:17:54 -0300 Message-id: <1604FD01BC5540C68B152581280CF1B7@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 21:17:53 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7075 Subject: [OM] OT - the ultimate lunacy / your daily smile ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 02:18:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be35c3b179541357919056 This piece from tomorrow's [7 May 2010] edition of The Independent, one of the UK's more literate newspapers: "It is the sort of police operation reserved for the highest-profile VIPs. Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been security tagged to protect against abduction. What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf course. It is the sort of police operationreserved for the highest-profile VIPs. Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been security tagged to protect against abduction. What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf course." Totally off topic photography wise, but perhaps some intrepid photog with a 250/2 lens might snap a shot of the celebrity ! jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5092 (20100506) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 03:27:07 2010 Received: (qmail 18277 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 01:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 01:27:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3ABE18090 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4CAE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F3034AC02E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CC434AC029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8221 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG Lancaster X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 03:27:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be36c6b234511073733319 You should call it "Color Galore". :-) Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > I went to Lancaster yesterday to visit a friend and retrieve the 5D I am > offering for sale. Coming back with this eased the pain of selling him my > Hexar AF while I was there... > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/124280122 > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 03:42:00 2010 Received: (qmail 28947 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 01:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 01:41:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40112E180AD for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCABE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFF0E47223 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A074FE47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 18:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15864 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 01:41:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 01:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE36FE1.60304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 21:41:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100506-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 03:42:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be36fe8248355683411216 Did you not notice that it was Dr. Flash who asked the question in the first place 'cause he doesn't know nothin 'bout flash bulbs... even blue ones. But I think we ought to rush right on over to Cress Photo at where we might be able to get some personal flash bulb instruction from Cicille and Angel. But I suspect they'll tell us that those long burn bulbs are likely to be seen by the meter as ambient light. I also suspect that FP mode flash units might be very confusing to the meter since they're really a rapid series of very fast pulses and not continuous burn. I'm assuming that a flash meter tells the difference between ambient and flash principally by flash duration. But I don't know I tell ya. Ordinarily I'd go ask Dr. Flash but, oh no, I am... Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > 4. We have the F-number from step #2, therefore, to determine flash > distance > from the subject we use the following: Distance = GN / F-Number. (you > will > need to make sure you are working in feet or meters). So, based on this > calculation you will know exactly how far away from the subject to place > your flash. > > Or the simplest way is to waste one bulb with a flash meter and adjust > distance by estimation. > > AG (I don't even play Dr. Flash on television) Schnozz > -- > > Thanks AG, > > For fill would obviously have to decide how many stops under full > exposure would be optimal and account for the loss due to a pol. > I would think the GN would be a f(shutter speed) like an F280. A bit > of digging confirmed this. > > http://www.flashbulbs.com/BlueBulbs.htm > > I wonder if flash meter would really get an accurate reading with > such a long burn?? Can any flash meter work well with an F280? > OK, now we need the real McCoy Dr. Flash for that question, I think. > > I still am going hunting in my Mom's closet for that large stash of > blue? > and clear mini fusion reactors (they were HUGE, IIRC) and the bracket. > Since the OM2 likes to be on FP mode it appears might as well use it > for high speed macro sync/fill. Critters won't laugh at me at least. > > No X Sync Required Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 04:48:17 2010 Received: (qmail 26869 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 02:48:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FB4E180C0 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED919E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA6AE47214 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8A8E47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so889942iwn.14 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.153.130 with SMTP id k2mr1011171ibw.78.1273200489066; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE36FE1.60304@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <4BE36FE1.60304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:48:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8b19e9b7efe2279b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flash foul-up, what happened? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 04:48:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be37f71224179752976205 Honestly, as I'm looking at my 1981 Kodak Professional Photoguide, there is a table and flash exposure dial that has me pretty well puzzled. I'll have to reread it after watching CSI. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 07:12:58 2010 Received: (qmail 16116 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE643E180A1 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5FFE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABBC3618004 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7823610001 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:12:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o475ChP0024097; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:12:46 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 00:12:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: An Occasional Flower on Friday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 07:12:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3a15a322131560218263 The rhododendrons have continued to mature this week. This one was in mixed lighting and I liked the result. The fly on the leaf on the right was an unseen character. I didn't see him until I was working on the image. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron_001.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 07:36:11 2010 Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 05:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 05:36:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44DE180B2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595D6E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DC334AC045 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:36:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02FC34AC043 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:36:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp08.register.it [81.88.48.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1713 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 05:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.32.169.192) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 05:36:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:36:00 +0200 Message-Id: <89B7C33F-D45E-49C9-BC63-0A88DC2FD841@frozenlight.eu> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 07:36:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3a6cb242131560218263 Brian, dealing with RAW files is not "hassle". It is an indispensable part of digital photography if you care about image quality. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > I have no wish to start another conflagration on this topic, but I have just > returned to Christchurch from my new home in Central Otago where it is still > bright autumn. > > Prints from Fuji Superia Reala 100 asa (OM4Ti) that I had processed while I > was away, compared with on-screen images of jpegs taken with the E-3 (of > the same subjects, taken within seconds of each other) show that much > more detail and much less blowing-out of highlights (of super-bright leaves > etc) occurs with the film 5x7 inch prints. > > If one doesn't want to go through the hassle of dealing with RAW files. > > Brian Swale > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 07:38:01 2010 Received: (qmail 19715 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 05:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 05:38:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECF4E180B2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5DBE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4D1E47228 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996B4E47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so230969wwb.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 22:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.87.143 with SMTP id y15mr6066193wee.104.1273210667896; Thu, 06 May 2010 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm6855049gvb.16.2010.05.06.22.37.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 May 2010 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 06:37:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG Lancaster X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 07:38:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3a73948035683411216 That's an amazing medley of colours, Tom. Chris On 7 May 2010, at 00:32, Tom Fenwick wrote: > I went to Lancaster yesterday to visit a friend and retrieve the 5D I am > offering for sale. Coming back with this eased the pain of selling him my > Hexar AF while I was there... > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/124280122 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 07:41:45 2010 Received: (qmail 12512 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 05:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 05:41:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FE2E180B5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E580E24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAE8E47229 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B87E47213 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:41:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so523139wyf.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 22:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.160.132 with SMTP id u4mr2713568wek.19.1273210898272; Thu, 06 May 2010 22:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm6600744gve.18.2010.05.06.22.41.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 May 2010 22:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <89B7C33F-D45E-49C9-BC63-0A88DC2FD841@frozenlight.eu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 06:41:36 +0100 Message-Id: <3057D517-F150-4D25-A2FF-EEFE8356E3C3@threeshoes.net> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <89B7C33F-D45E-49C9-BC63-0A88DC2FD841@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 07:41:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3a819195032439112457 Nathan I agree with you, but I should imagine that it's hassle if you have limited storage space and limited processing power. And that's without considering the plethora of conversion systems available. I think that all 3 factors militate against Brian's using RAW. Some of our number output RAW and Jpeg with each shot. For me that would be too much hassle ... Chris On 7 May 2010, at 06:36, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Brian, dealing with RAW files is not "hassle". It is an indispensable part of digital photography if you care about image quality. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 07:48:09 2010 Received: (qmail 6439 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 05:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 05:48:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408AEE1806F for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F75AE24A9E for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7A234AC045 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B626E34AC043 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2178 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 05:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.32.169.192) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 05:47:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <3057D517-F150-4D25-A2FF-EEFE8356E3C3@threeshoes.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:47:54 +0200 Message-Id: <7642AEE1-603F-4190-BCDB-C14673D0426A@frozenlight.eu> References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <89B7C33F-D45E-49C9-BC63-0A88DC2FD841@frozenlight.eu> <3057D517-F150-4D25-A2FF-EEFE8356E3C3@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 07:48:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3a999273781950411718 I only use one piece of software, Lightroom. It takes care of the entire workflow from RAW conversion to web display or print. Of course, one must have a reasonably modern computer. LR runs fine on my 2005 vintage Powerbook G4, although it runs a lot better on my iMac from last year or my MacBook Pro from this year. For me, shooting JPEGs is simply a waste of space. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 7, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Nathan > > I agree with you, but I should imagine that it's hassle if you have limited storage space and limited processing power. And that's without considering the plethora of conversion systems available. I think that all 3 factors militate against Brian's using RAW. > > Some of our number output RAW and Jpeg with each shot. For me that would be too much hassle ... > > Chris > > On 7 May 2010, at 06:36, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Brian, dealing with RAW files is not "hassle". It is an indispensable part of digital photography if you care about image quality. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 09:52:32 2010 Received: (qmail 22356 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 07:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 07:52:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDD1E180AD for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB48BE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2573610003 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:52:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD743610002 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:52:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 00:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26308 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 07:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.134.9) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 May 2010 07:52:21 -0000 Message-Id: <7604E736-1662-4C1A-AC07-1A7504B6288F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7642AEE1-603F-4190-BCDB-C14673D0426A@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:52:20 +1000 References: <4BDF2075.2171.8D03BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> <89B7C33F-D45E-49C9-BC63-0A88DC2FD841@frozenlight.eu> <3057D517-F150-4D25-A2FF-EEFE8356E3C3@threeshoes.net> <7642AEE1-603F-4190-BCDB-C14673D0426A@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 09:52:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3c6c066622517112723 Indeed - though I wouldn't use it on a laptop! The slightest error in screen angle or viewing angle and you've got a problem. However, that said, I just filled my first terrabyte (mosly because I'm too lazy to prune images as I go). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/05/2010, at 3:47 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I only use one piece of software, Lightroom. It takes care of the > entire workflow from RAW conversion to web display or print. Of > course, one must have a reasonably modern computer. LR runs fine on > my 2005 vintage Powerbook G4, although it runs a lot better on my > iMac from last year or my MacBook Pro from this year. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 11:22:53 2010 Received: (qmail 19875 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25B8E180A8 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 02:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AC6E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 02:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8C934AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 02:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1ED34AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 02:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ralf_loi@it.ibm.com whitelisted) Received: from mtagate6.de.ibm.com (mtagate6.de.ibm.com [195.212.17.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 02:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d12nrmr1707.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1707.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.81]) by mtagate6.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o479MiLC006712 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:22:44 GMT Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.216]) by d12nrmr1707.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id o479MhfG3592368 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:22:43 +0200 Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id o479Mht9002094 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:22:43 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id o479MhEK002091 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:22:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimed: 52358 To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 07/05/2010 11.22.41, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 07/05/2010 11.22.41, Serialize complete at 07/05/2010 11.22.41, S/MIME Sign failed at 07/05/2010 11.22.41: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2FP2|June 22, 2009) at 07/05/2010 11:22:43, Serialize complete at 07/05/2010 11:22:43 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:22:42 +0200 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 11:22:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3dbed192265368819438 << They have an Optometrist on site but he is paid separately to determine your prescription, and they are actually pretty reasonably priced. >> Where I usually go for my glasses (but I think that this is common also in other similar places here in Italy) the optometrist is free: I can have my glasses based on an old prescription but I prefer to have my vision checked every time and that is pretty fast and, as I said, free. On the other hand, prices for glasses and frames are high. Ralf -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 12:09:43 2010 Received: (qmail 23430 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 10:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 10:09:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E26E180A8 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE47E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29140E47228 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3958E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ralf_loi@it.ibm.com whitelisted) Received: from mtagate3.de.ibm.com (mtagate3.de.ibm.com [195.212.17.163]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o47A9SDU021487 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:09:28 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id o47A9P9P1613998 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:09:26 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id o47A9EnX025623 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:09:15 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o47A9E1Z025579 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:09:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3057D517-F150-4D25-A2FF-EEFE8356E3C3@threeshoes.net> X-Disclaimed: 22050 To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 07/05/2010 12.09.10, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 07/05/2010 12.09.10, Serialize complete at 07/05/2010 12.09.10, S/MIME Sign failed at 07/05/2010 12.09.10: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2FP2|June 22, 2009) at 07/05/2010 12:09:14, Serialize complete at 07/05/2010 12:09:14 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:09:12 +0200 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 12:09:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3e6e7187751946193717 << Nathan I agree with you, but I should imagine that it's hassle if you have limited storage space and limited processing power. snip On 7 May 2010, at 06:36, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Brian, dealing with RAW files is not "hassle". It is an indispensable part of digital photography if you care about image quality. >> It's beyond me to use an outdated PC for photo activities (to say it mildly), it seems that it's not the money that is lacking to Brian (look at that beautiful and expensive new home). Ralf -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 12:43:15 2010 Received: (qmail 17943 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 10:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 10:43:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD13E180A8 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D026E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3216AE47228 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5E0E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.superhosting.ca (mail.superhosting.ca [69.90.83.197]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 03:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24298 invoked by uid 399); 7 May 2010 10:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.51.152?) (ownvolition01@ownvolition.com@64.231.23.141) by mail.superhosting.ca with ESMTPAM; 7 May 2010 10:25:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 64.231.23.141 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 06:43:05 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage Thread-Index: Acrt0hLuUccPAFnFEd+OIQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <7604E736-1662-4C1A-AC07-1A7504B6288F@people.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 12:43:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3eec3175411258626592 On 5/7/10 3:52 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... I just filled my first terrabyte ... Such earthy language! Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 13:02:23 2010 Received: (qmail 25066 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 11:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 11:02:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3F6E1808D for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EACE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47859E47213 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955A9E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alobolympus@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com (mail-ew0-f216.google.com [209.85.219.216]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so231021ewy.28 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 04:02:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.41.138 with SMTP id o10mr4104ebe.37.1273230135141; Fri, 07 May 2010 04:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.3.67 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 04:02:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:02:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: Angel Lobo To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 13:02:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be3f33f222451258626592 Please, some 2 series screen (4 or 13) NEW for sale ? Angel Lobo. 2010/3/19 > According to John, the correction for use in manual depends on focal > length. Even if the meter is adjusted to read correctly for a > 2-series on a 1N or OM-2N for a 50mm, by 100mm there is a 1/4 stop > overexposure indication and 2/3 of a stop on a Z 180/2.8. > I believe there are errors on the short end too. OTF metering is > unaffected AFAIK. > > Mike > > > > So I know that the meter in an OM-1 and OM-2 will read 2/3 stop over > correct exposure when a 2 series screen is installed (ie will > underexpose by 2/3 a stop); and that the OM-2 measures all exposures > at speeds slower than 1/45 second OTF in auto mode; my question is, > will an OM-2n with a 2 series screen installed give accurate exposures > at all speeds in auto mode, or will it only give accurate exposures at > shutter speeds slower than 1/45 a second? I have a modified 2-4 > screen that I would like to install in my OM-2n, but if it results in > underexposure at faster speeds, I will put it in my OM-1n instead and > simply compensate the 2/3 a stop by using the ASA dial. > > I happen to like the OM-2n's aperture priority, and don't really want > to have to use it manual mode in bright light. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 14:23:33 2010 Received: (qmail 12167 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 12:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 12:23:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2E9E180A7 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9148E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E0034AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306DC34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12455 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 12:23:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 12:23:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE4063A.2030407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:23:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-0, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 14:23:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be40645268621220213263 NEW??? Surely you must be joking. You'll be very, very luck just to find used. Chuck Norcutt Angel Lobo wrote: > Please, some 2 series screen (4 or 13) NEW for sale ? > > Angel Lobo. > > 2010/3/19 > >> According to John, the correction for use in manual depends on focal >> length. Even if the meter is adjusted to read correctly for a >> 2-series on a 1N or OM-2N for a 50mm, by 100mm there is a 1/4 stop >> overexposure indication and 2/3 of a stop on a Z 180/2.8. >> I believe there are errors on the short end too. OTF metering is >> unaffected AFAIK. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> So I know that the meter in an OM-1 and OM-2 will read 2/3 stop over >> correct exposure when a 2 series screen is installed (ie will >> underexpose by 2/3 a stop); and that the OM-2 measures all exposures >> at speeds slower than 1/45 second OTF in auto mode; my question is, >> will an OM-2n with a 2 series screen installed give accurate exposures >> at all speeds in auto mode, or will it only give accurate exposures at >> shutter speeds slower than 1/45 a second? I have a modified 2-4 >> screen that I would like to install in my OM-2n, but if it results in >> underexposure at faster speeds, I will put it in my OM-1n instead and >> simply compensate the 2/3 a stop by using the ASA dial. >> >> I happen to like the OM-2n's aperture priority, and don't really want >> to have to use it manual mode in bright light. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 14:46:15 2010 Received: (qmail 26118 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 12:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 12:46:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C2E180B2 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955BDE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8203D34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCD734AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.220.115]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L21007QZVGG0DM2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:45:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:45:56 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> In-reply-to: <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 14:46:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be40b97158345368819438 This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Dawid Loubser wrote: > On 06 May 2010, at 3:07 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> ONE quirk of this 3Ti. I had to replace the diopter adjustment knob, >> and had to use one that does not have the white dot on it. Many / >> most >> new replacement parts for the 3Ti are now NLA. > > > John, you need to halve your price because of this! What outrage! > > :-) > > No, really, I doubt if anybody would have ever noticed had you not > mentioned it John. To add to Ken's mentioning of "keeping it in the > family", > it's also so good to "buy in the family". > > I must admit, I have been very very tempted to buy this new-in-box, > with all documentation > and accessories 3Ti on the 'bay for $2000 (item #250622973793, ends > May 7, 2010). This > was before John listed his (er... soon to be mine...) example. > > Nice as a 100% original, new body in box, with all correct accessories > body would > be (even at $600 more expensive) - there is something much more > special about buying > it from a knowledgeable, passionate, super-honest source that had also > just given it > a service. Somebody in this "family" of geeks that are excited by a > range of small > 35mm film cameras. > > 10-15 years is not such a long time, but I am sure a body sitting in a > box that long wouldn't > actually operate nearly as nicely as a freshly tuned-up one. Also, if > my plans work out, > I may be subjecting it to some extreme (Arctic) cold in the next year > or so, and I > figured a tuned 3Ti stands a much better chance. > > John, you have made me happier than a new-in-box one could ever have, > since I have > seen what a mechanical body is like after it's passed through your hands > (I bought Jim Couch's Black-lizard-skin OM-1, serviced by you in 2007, > silky-smooth) > > Ken... Ken... Ken... (Norton, in case anybody is wondering). > I understand you have often been pressured or "conditioned" by this > list into > exercising restraint when writing about the 3Ti. > > Well dude, I am sure you will now have a fellow fanatic (who will have > difficulty in shutting up) > on your side, preaching alongside you, if the 3Ti is even half of what > it's cracked up to be :-) > > Since I love my OM-1(s) so much, one may ask why am I crazy enough to > spend good money on an > OM-3Ti? Up until fairly recently, I have been viewing 35mm as merely a > toy format, something I > originally took up to help me with my film technique, to be applied to > medium format. > > I have come to realise that it's quite unlikely for me to regularly > make darkroom prints larger > than 12x16in - it's my "sweet spot". After making a couple of prints > (some of them shot on Pan F, > with the 90/2.0 Macro and 250/2.0) at that size, I have realised that > at typical viewing distance, > it's very hard to distinguish between 35mm and medium format. Such a > print made from a 6x7cm negative > can almost be examined under a microscope, whereas 35mm is clearly > becoming stretched, requiring careful > technique, but it's close enough on fine-grained film. > > So, I hate to admit it, but for "daily use" 35mm has won. And there > will be no digital camera in my near > future, that's just not the direction this hobby of mine has taken. > And quite simply, I've taken 10x as > many "keepers" with my OM egar, as what I have with my medium format > gear (wonderful beasts as they are). > > So for travel / general use, I have settled on my OM kit, and the > Linhof 6x17cm for occasional > really spectacular, wide images (of which I shoot about 1 per month :-). > > As I will so seriously be using the OM system for the foreseeable > future, I may as well spend what one > could spend on a silly little Micro FourThirds body and two lenses, > and get me the "best" OM body for > my needs. > > This 3Ti will be in serious use, not at all in a cabinet. It's perhaps > just as well I didn't prevent > a "cabinet collector" / "investment buyer" (yes, a 3Ti is clearly an > appreciating investment) from > buying the new-in-box eBay sample, which will be worth $3000 or $4000 > in another decade I am sure. > > Lastly, with a 3Ti, there will be no rangefinder camera in my future > (something I have been thinking about). > Even though they have so many truly appealing aspects, my favourite > lenses (24mm F2, 90mm F2, 250mm F2), > and the ways in which I use them, have no equivalent in rangefinder- > land. > > In fact, I would have been happy just continuing to use the marvelous > OM-1, but the 3Ti has a couple > of features that I feel will improve my image-making process. And it's > so darn sexy! > > Anyway, what a bunch of random ramblings... but I guess this is the > right list for that sort of thing. > > all the best to y'all, from an (extremely) rainy South Africa > Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 14:58:06 2010 Received: (qmail 7235 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 12:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 12:58:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA575E180A9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A844AE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCA534AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7707B34AC025 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.220.115]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2100CCQW049BQ4@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:57:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE40E48.6090406@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 08:57:44 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 14:58:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be40e5e86221220213263 Sorry, I don't have any. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Angel Lobo wrote: > Please, some 2 series screen (4 or 13) NEW for sale ? > > Angel Lobo. > > 2010/3/19 > >> According to John, the correction for use in manual depends on focal >> length. Even if the meter is adjusted to read correctly for a >> 2-series on a 1N or OM-2N for a 50mm, by 100mm there is a 1/4 stop >> overexposure indication and 2/3 of a stop on a Z 180/2.8. >> I believe there are errors on the short end too. OTF metering is >> unaffected AFAIK. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> So I know that the meter in an OM-1 and OM-2 will read 2/3 stop over >> correct exposure when a 2 series screen is installed (ie will >> underexpose by 2/3 a stop); and that the OM-2 measures all exposures >> at speeds slower than 1/45 second OTF in auto mode; my question is, >> will an OM-2n with a 2 series screen installed give accurate exposures >> at all speeds in auto mode, or will it only give accurate exposures at >> shutter speeds slower than 1/45 a second? I have a modified 2-4 >> screen that I would like to install in my OM-2n, but if it results in >> underexposure at faster speeds, I will put it in my OM-1n instead and >> simply compensate the 2/3 a stop by using the ASA dial. >> >> I happen to like the OM-2n's aperture priority, and don't really want >> to have to use it manual mode in bright light. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 15:52:07 2010 Received: (qmail 7095 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 13:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 13:52:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5253DE180C7 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08C4E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEF5E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBB9E4722C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OANy9-0000nD-UK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:51:58 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net><38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> Thread-Index: AcrtVzAxxpkTyt8oQgu1K9hYejQKrgAlSnzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-0, 07/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 15:52:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be41b07228151234514069 "Desperately looking" yet you never posted on here? What kind of desperation is that? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] Sent: 06 May 2010 21:02 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? You know, I *am* desperately looking for a real Olympus 55mm cap for my 90/2.0, the damn cheap Soligor cap I am using keeps on falling off... D. On 06 May 2010, at 7:40 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> In your dreams..... :-) If the darn thing would fit into my casket, >> I'd probably use some or other saying concerning prying things from >> my cold dead hands... > > > > OK, I can see what kind of friend you are. > > ;) > > And here I was thinking about sharing my collection of lens caps with > you. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:11:22 2010 Received: (qmail 1889 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:11:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1BFE180BA for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A3DE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923FE47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A6BE4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.77]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2010 10:11:10 -0400 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id AAK56236 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Fri, 7 May 2010 10:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 4.1.9-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20100507101110.AAK56236@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OM] Lens caps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:11:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be41f8a270665368819438 > I'd have more if they [Tamron lens caps] came in more > sizes, like 49mm. > As it is, they do come in a number > of useful sizes. > My 49mm lens caps of choice are Pentax metal friction-fit slip-ons from pre-SMC (multicoated) lenses. They have three advantages for me. * Faster removal - I just grab and pull without needing to feel around for tabs. * More secure replacement - Push on and they are on. No need to check that the tabs fully engaged the filter threads. * If the cap does fall off, you can hear it better than a plastic cap when it hits the ground. I've never lost a Pentax cap, but can't say that for Olympus. Olympus did make a similar metal cap for Olympus FTL lenses, but good luck trying to find one of those. ----- Larry Woods -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:11:51 2010 Received: (qmail 14933 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:11:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3ACE18092 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5991AE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43743E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E686EE47228 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so566932gya.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:11:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.183.146 with SMTP id cg18mr2381324qcb.17.1273241493705; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7604E736-1662-4C1A-AC07-1A7504B6288F@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:11:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:11:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be41fa7307201413256596 Careful, terra is just the gateway to peta. Paul C On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Michael Collins < MRC.OlympusList@ownvolition.com> wrote: > On 5/7/10 3:52 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > ... I just filled my first terrabyte ... > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:26:55 2010 Received: (qmail 21976 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:26:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36B3E180A4 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6F5E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FFDE4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA6BE53264 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.superhosting.ca (mail.superhosting.ca [69.90.83.197]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24778 invoked by uid 399); 7 May 2010 14:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.51.152?) (ownvolition01@ownvolition.com@64.231.23.141) by mail.superhosting.ca with ESMTPAM; 7 May 2010 14:09:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 64.231.23.141 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 10:26:44 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage Thread-Index: Acrt8VFHkCHIPlnkEd+UzwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing bright autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:26:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4232f38441136683642 Is that a problem, as long as it's Ethical Treatment of...? Michael On 5/7/10 10:11 AM, Paul Cox wrote: > Careful, terra is just the gateway to peta. > > Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:31:38 2010 Received: (qmail 11960 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:31:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE7BE18087 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB59E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3628734AC02E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1FF34AC02D for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so657037yxe.22 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:31:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.146 with SMTP id h18mr4059455ibv.27.1273242633932; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:30:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 34336b2a036fde47 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:31:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4244a172111073733319 >This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. The shared joy that comes with the OM-3Ti is fascinating. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:35:33 2010 Received: (qmail 172 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:35:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB706E18056 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F75E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BC8E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB37E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OAOeD-0004QZ-9g for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:35:25 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3E9FD818329D41A49E06D6B35B5F44D4@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcrtYnKtBKD3G6RoSGiGP6zMEB5NrAAj9Plw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-0, 07/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:35:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4253597271234514069 Hope it isn't _that_ type of long term loan, Tom, I think you know what I mean. But a very tempting price, I must say, fancy a swap for an M645 kit? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fenwick [mailto:super.wide@gmail.com] Sent: 06 May 2010 22:24 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? --snip > > It's been on long term loan for some time; I'd be happy enough to meet anybody reasonably close to here if you want to have a go... --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:38:31 2010 Received: (qmail 12107 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:38:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ACEE180B4 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650F5E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213F634AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F69334AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so845804wyf.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:38:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.166.211 with SMTP id g61mr92010wel.118.1273243103077; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.6 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE40E48.6090406@verizon.net> References: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> <4BE40E48.6090406@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:38:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:38:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be425e77351234514069 Maybe John has access to some Beattie screens? On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:57 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Sorry, I don't have any. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Angel Lobo wrote: > > Please, some 2 series screen (4 or 13) NEW for sale ? > > > > Angel Lobo. > > > > 2010/3/19 > > > >> According to John, the correction for use in manual depends on focal > >> length. Even if the meter is adjusted to read correctly for a > >> 2-series on a 1N or OM-2N for a 50mm, by 100mm there is a 1/4 stop > >> overexposure indication and 2/3 of a stop on a Z 180/2.8. > >> I believe there are errors on the short end too. OTF metering is > >> unaffected AFAIK. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> So I know that the meter in an OM-1 and OM-2 will read 2/3 stop over > >> correct exposure when a 2 series screen is installed (ie will > >> underexpose by 2/3 a stop); and that the OM-2 measures all exposures > >> at speeds slower than 1/45 second OTF in auto mode; my question is, > >> will an OM-2n with a 2 series screen installed give accurate exposures > >> at all speeds in auto mode, or will it only give accurate exposures at > >> shutter speeds slower than 1/45 a second? I have a modified 2-4 > >> screen that I would like to install in my OM-2n, but if it results in > >> underexposure at faster speeds, I will put it in my OM-1n instead and > >> simply compensate the 2/3 a stop by using the ASA dial. > >> > >> I happen to like the OM-2n's aperture priority, and don't really want > >> to have to use it manual mode in bright light. > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:41:14 2010 Received: (qmail 29815 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:41:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DF6E1809C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EFFE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42EB34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4847334AC027 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so917895fxm.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:39:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.155.135 with SMTP id i7mr14931hbc.13.1273243159695; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:39:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:39:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:41:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4268a246511612113968 On 6 May 2010 22:23, Tom Fenwick wrote: >> It's been on long term loan for some time; I'd be happy enough to meet > anybody reasonably close to here if you want to have a go... That's very generous of you, Tom. What counts as "reasonably close"? I'm in Bristol. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:44:52 2010 Received: (qmail 26565 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:44:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E60E1809D for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AC7E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E12534AC02B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A51934AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f175.google.com (mail-px0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so471553pxi.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.53.11 with SMTP id f11mr7889765rvk.84.1273243482612; Fri, 07 May 2010 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:44:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be42764263887801554290 I actually need to come to Bristol some time in the next week or so to remove some furniture. My sister and her family have just moved to Seattle from Downend; until a month or so ago I was down there quite regularly. Maybe we could at least get together and you could shoot it for a day or something? I have yet to fix up my visit - would you have any free days that would suit? Tom On 7 May 2010 15:39, Ian Nichols wrote: > On 6 May 2010 22:23, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > >> It's been on long term loan for some time; I'd be happy enough to meet > > anybody reasonably close to here if you want to have a go... > > That's very generous of you, Tom. What counts as "reasonably close"? > I'm in Bristol. > > > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:56:05 2010 Received: (qmail 10416 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20C2E1809B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD312E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07B2E4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8672E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 616 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7F917532-64F7-48A6-95E1-D1DCE85FC695@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:55:52 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:56:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be42a05304021357919056 Day? DAY?? I would have had to have a freaking spec-tacu-luuur rock star life if the process of acquiring a 3Ti only made my day! Try "year"... :-) On 07 May 2010, at 2:45 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> On 06 May 2010, at 3:07 PM, John Hermanson wrote: >> >>> ONE quirk of this 3Ti. I had to replace the diopter adjustment >>> knob, >>> and had to use one that does not have the white dot on it. Many / >>> most >>> new replacement parts for the 3Ti are now NLA. >> >> >> John, you need to halve your price because of this! What outrage! >> >> :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 16:58:45 2010 Received: (qmail 2286 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 14:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 14:58:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F615E180A4 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47DE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE7F34AC025 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA34334AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 6 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:58:36 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 16:58:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be42aa5244691560218263 Seriously though, are there no crazy collector's here to buy the NIB one on the 'bay (still no bids, starting bid $2000, closes on May 07, 201011:30:45 PDT - 3 hours from now) ? If it goes for $2000, this must surely (as an actual financial investment) perform better than real estate or the stock market? Dawid On 07 May 2010, at 4:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. > > The shared joy that comes with the OM-3Ti is fascinating. > > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 17:18:53 2010 Received: (qmail 9658 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 15:18:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ADFE1809D for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC1FE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1493334AC027 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62B534AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o47FIeFP032659 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:18:40 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.df2.62bcc65 (43974) for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD037-abc64be42f4d17f; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:18:37 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <16a15.478491c3.3915894d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:18:37 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.125.184 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 17:18:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be42f5d114981879814018 In a message dated 5/7/2010 9:58:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dawidl@solms.co.za writes: If it goes for $2000, this must surely (as an actual financial investment) perform better than real estate or the stock market? Dawid Compared to the Dow Jones it is more like a starting bid of $1800 in Monday's dollars. Yes, I know that isn't exactly accurate, but please don't bust my chops about it. I paint with a broad brush. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 17:25:52 2010 Received: (qmail 32044 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 15:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 15:25:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A91DE18056 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A4EE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E787F34AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A354134AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o47FPUAX020892 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:25:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.cbf.5dde3e11 (37060) for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB046-90c44be430e72d6; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:25:27 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <17216.3560572e.39158ae7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:25:27 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.125.184 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 17:25:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be43100313692013633067 In a message dated 5/7/2010 9:38:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rbeckrich@gmail.com writes: Maybe John has access to some Beattie screens? I have no interest in starting a camera envy fire going and although I know where there might be a 2 screen or two, they probably aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I do however think there is a Beattie that might be able to be put up for adoption. Original poster will have first shot at it. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 17:28:08 2010 Received: (qmail 3104 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9506CE1809B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0220E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CA134AC027 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D8934AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 92 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:41:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:27:48 +0200 References: <8CCBAB27AE8267D-1F4C-20B0@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4BE2B6C3.50509@verizon.net><38F3849A-D159-4F9D-BE8E-6E33DFBEE820@solms.co.za> <5708A415-9886-42D4-9CBC-6CFC876AF748@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 17:28:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be43188200075034211378 Piers, It's obviously the uninformed kind of desperation... I will do better next time. Thank you for the good advice everybody, I will try the Tamron Center/ Side squeeze cap version (Moose, I don't care about the branding, especially since mine currently says Crapigo.. err... Soligor), unless somebody wants to donate or sell a precious Olympus one to me. I actually never use hoods and caps at the same time, so easy removal with hood is not an issue for me. (And the off-list offer I received for an Olympus 55mm cap if my wife came and picked it up personally [and on a different continent at that] doesn't count! ;-P But thanks for the compliment, you-know-who...) D. On 07 May 2010, at 3:52 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > "Desperately looking" yet you never posted on here? What kind of > desperation is that? > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 17:53:03 2010 Received: (qmail 18718 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 15:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 15:53:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A01E18089 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B319E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7029EE47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1060E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0 () X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ip2mta.uwm.edu (ip2mta.uwm.edu [129.89.7.20]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu ([129.89.7.82]) by ip2mta.uwm.edu with ESMTP; 07 May 2010 10:52:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D832C38010 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pantherlink.uwm.edul Received: from mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jlY79PZ3pDxZ for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu [129.89.7.86]) by mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610C32C3800E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Alan Magayne-Roshak To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-ID: <1414317769.8026431273247571331.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> In-Reply-To: <1872901261.8024841273247367957.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [129.89.124.100] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.22_GA_3210.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/5.0.22_GA_3210.RHEL4_64) X-Authenticated-User: amr3@uwm.edu Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2 aperture stops down slightly even wide open? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 17:53:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4375f47351234514069 Original Messages: >Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:32:03 -0400 >From: John Hermanson >I don't know, it may be a quirk of that lens. ___________________________________ >John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >Dawid Loubser wrote: >> So what you could be saying, is that the 250/2.0 is really a 250/1.8 for >> focusing :-) Wow :-) Or it's really a 250/2.2... >> >> But before we start making assumptions, I'd really like somebody in >> the know to confirm, or somebody with another 250/2.0 to check >> their lens' behavour. ===================================================================================== I've been away from this list for a while, but I guess I'm back just in time for this thread. I checked my 250/2 and at f/2 the diaphragm is completely open. Pushing the lens button doesn't change anything unless I set the ring to a smaller aperture. Hope this helps. Alan Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer UPAA POY 1978 University Information Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 18:16:04 2010 Received: (qmail 26170 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 16:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 16:16:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7794E18098 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1824E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37B9E4722B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF370E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 144 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <577B5D18-D006-4EA5-BAA8-1DF7F38131F8@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1414317769.8026431273247571331.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:15:41 +0200 References: <1414317769.8026431273247571331.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 18:16:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be43cc4265829730998309 Thank you for adding your experience, Alan! That settles it's then, my 250/2.0 is actually a 250/2.1 in practice :-/ Oh well... I'm in the IT industry, so Version 2.1 seems acceptable. Off-topic: I just shot my first roll of Fomapan 100 (rated at ISO 64) this morning before work, and developed the film. The negatives look great, but I'll only see the character after making some prints this week-end. I want to see whether it can be a Pan-F stand-in for me (I really don't like the modern T-grain films like Delta 100 for some or other reason, technically good as they are, they need a lot of printing magic to make them look "non-boring"). My 250mm is by - like a factor of two - the highest-resolution OM lens I have, it just blows the 90/2.0 and 24/2.0 away, so I used it for most shots this morning. I am kinda-almost-happy with the resolution and grain of a 12x16in print from FP4 but it's a bit too grainy for some images. Pan F at ISO32 is simply wonderful (but just a tad slow to shoot hand- held, and I can't find the stuff here). So I want to see what a high-resolution image shot on Fomapan can do at 12x16in. It's readily available at my local supplier, and it's very cheap, even in bulk rolls. To my eye, the negatives look a bit like Pan F negatives, so I am hopeful. It won't be the same, but 80% similar will do until I can reliably source the real thing. Do any of you guys use Fomapan? Dawid On 07 May 2010, at 5:52 PM, Alan Magayne-Roshak wrote: > I've been away from this list for a while, but I guess I'm back just > in time for this thread. I checked my 250/2 and > at f/2 the diaphragm is completely open. Pushing the lens button > doesn't change anything unless I set the ring to > a smaller aperture. Hope this helps. > > Alan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 18:19:20 2010 Received: (qmail 5273 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 16:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 16:19:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0BFE180AA for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ED2E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5149834AC02E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8391934AC03B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:16:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 144 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:30:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <3D3006DF-A3F1-450F-B40A-073E48E2DE9C@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <16a15.478491c3.3915894d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:16:36 +0200 References: <16a15.478491c3.3915894d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 18:19:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be43d8851091560218263 Well said Bill :-) On 07 May 2010, at 5:18 PM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Compared to the Dow Jones it is more like a starting bid of $1800 in > Monday's dollars. Yes, I know that isn't exactly accurate, but > please don't > bust my chops about it. I paint with a broad brush. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 18:50:35 2010 Received: (qmail 15996 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 16:50:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66B5E180A5 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E087E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA80E4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED289E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so1954431qyk.10 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.34.135 with SMTP id l7mr83798qad.341.1273251023481; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:50:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: T-grain films & Fomapan, was 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 18:50:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be444db42291258626592 Dawid, A roll shot and souped before work? That's impressive. I've been shooting b&w film for about a year now and am still very much cutting my teeth. It would greatly appreciate an example of the 'boring' look of Delta 100 or any other T-grain film that you might have on hand. I am still trying to sort out film differences, and, while I've only shot Delta 100 and Tmax a handful of times, they've done alright by me. Of course, I'm lazy and don't print. ;) Negs go straight to my Epson V500. I've not used Fomapan, but know that it definitely has its fans. My go-to films so far have been FP4 and HP5. I have a roll of Pan-F in the fridge, waiting for inspiration and appropriate subject matter. Paul C On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > Off-topic: I just shot my first roll of Fomapan 100 (rated at ISO 64) this > morning before work, and developed the film. > (I really don't like the modern T-grain films like Delta 100 for some or > other reason, technically good as they are, they need a lot of printingmagic > to make them look "non-boring"). > > Do any of you guys use Fomapan? > > Dawid > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 19:04:47 2010 Received: (qmail 606 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 17:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 17:04:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372AFE1809D for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81460E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755A5E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A3BE47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so47647wwi.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.139 with SMTP id x11mr315454wbw.104.1273251876870; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm8995753gve.20.2010.05.07.10.04.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 May 2010 10:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE25A1A.6080207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:04:34 +0100 Message-Id: <9CE340E0-D8D5-4F8A-94E6-78C1CABB89A7@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE07173.9010603@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE25A1A.6080207@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] My first photo book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 19:04:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4482f251521413256596 Congratulations, Moose. I am sure that it was fun choosing the photos you would use, but it was also important that you had a project ready and big enough to do the book. I find that I don't have enough shots for a "theme" or subject matter, except perhaps for aircraft. I can almost feel and smell your new book ... Chris On 6 May 2010, at 06:56, Moose wrote: > I chose images from my Three Days in Brooklyn project because it was a > set requiring minimal work to ready for a book and because of the wide > range of subjects, lighting, etc. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 19:46:33 2010 Received: (qmail 32369 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 17:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 17:46:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4F6E1809C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3043E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF98E4722C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4500E47228 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl01.gs02.gridserver.com (cl01.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.10]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:51855 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl01.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OARd3-0002NF-6k for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:46:26 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:46:24 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Thread-Index: AcruDTXqdLpQzFoAEd+CkQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 19:46:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be451f976921076813867 I think the people here who can afford it are not stupid enough to spend that much, and the rest cannot afford it even if they were foolish enough to pay that price. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/10 10:58 AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > Seriously though, are there no crazy collector's here to buy the NIB > one on the 'bay (still no bids, starting bid $2000, closes on > May 07, 201011:30:45 PDT - 3 hours from now) ? > > If it goes for $2000, this must surely (as an actual financial > investment) > perform better than real estate or the stock market? > > Dawid > > On 07 May 2010, at 4:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >>> This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. >> >> The shared joy that comes with the OM-3Ti is fascinating. >> >> AG >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 20:35:02 2010 Received: (qmail 583 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A742E1809F for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EA9E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F0534AC02B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AE334AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100507183456.EWIA16574.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:34:56 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Eiav1e00P233qdw02iawTb; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:34:56 -0400 X-VR-Score: -80.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jEzMdEw2P4Psx6Pryhsn8ZKvN9MLoXbl3lyS2U/sgqI= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=cuWWHjbxD6kMA4r2WCMA:9 a=6jVF4uqHrUZfx7C89FQA:7 a=Nc23jzvjXMLdgJUw5QNRrwvset4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8069749B5D93473191C1864ABDE4B5D4@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20100505193115.DXB77740@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] I need new glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 20:35:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be45d56210421950411718 > > But the biggest cost is hand-fitting each pair of glasses, > done by local professionally licensed people, not the third- > world wage-slaves that assembled the Ipod. Larry, Clowe but no cigar. I was speaking to an optometrist friend, and he noted that the price he pays for lenses is very little different to what you pay, with a markup of less than 20%. MOst all of th elenses today, at least in my no line bifocal case, are made to order in China. The doctor makes sophisticated measurements, faxes them to the US distributor, who forewards them to the manufacturer, and the y return in days. Generally. only one side is maed at the factory, for any lens. Whereever it is done, by a doctors own operation or a thrid party, the back side is ground to get your perscription. Billl Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 20:39:30 2010 Received: (qmail 11660 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 18:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 18:39:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5342EE180A3 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC0DE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702DB34AC02B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1623D34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100507183924.DDW27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:39:24 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id EifQ1e00R233qdw02ifQu9; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:39:24 -0400 X-VR-Score: 30.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=FnQQhIGgoxKy895ni2P06Ys7q26b/tysl77b0NRG5XA= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=8BrjFxxiwWcfIV3Vtf4A:9 a=NGRQtxvVQnI3-Z_JnSrj28CQ_CIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=VSFIKMYKQzzEWPGU:21 a=JYdKLGy5uoW90ZHp:21 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 20:39:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be45e6291109730998309 > That's pretty much how it is done at a number of chain Opticians here in > the US (Lenscrafters is probably the largest); I am told that most chains > are owned by a large Italian corporation, so there is really little > competition. I won't go the the chains, as they don't get the best and > brightest from school, and they don't always give you the exact > perscription the doctor ordered. They give the quick service by keeping > sstocks of lenses in most common perscriptions and give you the closest. > UGH! Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:00:06 2010 Received: (qmail 30111 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:00:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B15E1808B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1F4E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CC5E4B23E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8CFE53288 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1120274fxm.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:59:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.201 with SMTP id j9mr43532hbg.164.1273258790037; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:00:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be46336257865368819438 Well right you are Bill. That explains a lot about the pricing since Luxottica owns LC, Pearle, Sears Optical, Target Optical and K-Mart. They seem to be the 900 lb. gorilla of eyewear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica Charlie On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > That's pretty much how it is done at a number of chain Opticians here > in > > the US (Lenscrafters is probably the largest); I am told that most chains > > are owned by a large Italian corporation, so there is really little > > competition. I won't go the the chains, as they don't get the best and > > brightest from school, and they don't always give you the exact > > perscription the doctor ordered. They give the quick service by keeping > > sstocks of lenses in most common perscriptions and give you the closest. > > UGH! > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:03:47 2010 Received: (qmail 25710 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:03:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F124E180B8 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7B0E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474BA34AC027 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6E334AC025 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so658368fge.8 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.142.211 with SMTP id h19mr40007hba.211.1273258964983; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1604FD01BC5540C68B152581280CF1B7@hudson> References: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <1604FD01BC5540C68B152581280CF1B7@hudson> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:02:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT - the ultimate lunacy / your daily smile ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:03:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4641388179752976205 Do you have a link John? What is the plant? Charlie On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, John Hudson wrote: > This piece from tomorrow's [7 May 2010] edition of The Independent, one of > the UK's more literate newspapers: > > > "It is the sort of police operation reserved for the highest-profile VIPs. > Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and > covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been > security > tagged to protect against abduction. > > What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for > visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is > being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf course. > > It is the sort of police operationreserved for the highest-profile VIPs. > Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and > covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been > security > tagged to protect against abduction. > > What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for > visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is > being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf course." > > > Totally off topic photography wise, but perhaps some intrepid photog with a > 250/2 lens might snap a shot of the celebrity ! > > jh > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5092 (20100506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:08:54 2010 Received: (qmail 32209 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE64E180B3 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37086E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9924E4722E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F5EE4722C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-30-163-120.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.30.163.120]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 550 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:21:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:07:16 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:08:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be46546174041234514069 Ouch... On 07 May 2010, at 7:46 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > I think the people here who can afford it are not stupid enough to > spend > that much, and the rest cannot afford it even if they were foolish > enough to > pay that price. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:14:41 2010 Received: (qmail 16754 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:14:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B9DE180C0 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA737E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2408E4722A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC044E47213 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp04.register.it [81.88.48.54]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2862 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 19:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 19:14:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:14:21 +0200 Message-Id: <6D5E08AD-7733-480C-8D62-7617A3470164@frozenlight.eu> References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:14:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be466a1215411258626592 If some idiot pays such a price for ANY 35mm film camera, then yes, it will be like a stock market investment...mirroring the markets' performance this week. Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 7, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Seriously though, are there no crazy collector's here to buy the NIB > one on the 'bay (still no bids, starting bid $2000, closes on > May 07, 201011:30:45 PDT - 3 hours from now) ? > > If it goes for $2000, this must surely (as an actual financial > investment) > perform better than real estate or the stock market? > > Dawid > > On 07 May 2010, at 4:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >>> This seems to have made your day and I'm very happy about that. >> >> The shared joy that comes with the OM-3Ti is fascinating. >> >> AG >> -- > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:18:09 2010 Received: (qmail 31263 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:18:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F487E180A2 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F5AE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B44A3610002 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059434AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-30-163-120.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.30.163.120]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 552 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:15:29 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: T-grain films & Fomapan, was 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:18:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be46771136601234514069 Hehe, my wife works at a hospital, 07:00 to 19:00, and I have quite a lenient Job in that, as long as the work gets done, showing up at 10:00 every now and then is not a problem. So between 06:30 and 10:00, a lot can be done, especially in quite scenic surroundings, and with a "mission" to test a new film. I'll print some of the negatives tomorrow. With regards to the Delta 100 "look", it's what I can only describe as more linear and accurate, more digital-like, so technically better on most fronts, but a bit weaker dynamic range. Surely, as a lover of the tradional FP4 and HP5 film, you must have noticed the "punchier", less "linear" / "rounder" (my goodness, I am starting to sound like a wine taster...) rendering? This usually comes at the cost of worse grain. Still, both (and especially FP4) has also been my go-to film, but I promised myself, after getting to know them over two years, to try something else. Anyway, it's just the feeling I get looking at the images. Of course, in digital post processing, Delta 100 images can be dramatically altered, unlike what I can do with my fledgeling darkroom skills. In addition to the Fomapan, I bought one or two rolls of Delta 100 as well, so I'll either post some samples sometime, or decide that I was wrong :-) Pan F is just... "Delicate" (Marilyn Monroe voice). Dawid On 07 May 2010, at 6:50 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > Dawid, > > A roll shot and souped before work? That's impressive. > > I've been shooting b&w film for about a year now and am still very > much > cutting my teeth. It would greatly appreciate an example of the > 'boring' > look of Delta 100 or any other T-grain film that you might have on > hand. I > am still trying to sort out film differences, and, while I've only > shot > Delta 100 and Tmax a handful of times, they've done alright by me. Of > course, I'm lazy and don't print. ;) Negs go straight to my Epson > V500. > > I've not used Fomapan, but know that it definitely has its fans. My > go-to > films so far have been FP4 and HP5. I have a roll of Pan-F in the > fridge, > waiting for inspiration and appropriate subject matter. > > Paul C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:23:07 2010 Received: (qmail 29750 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:23:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1565FE18094 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A82E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A63E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75E5E47213 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-30-163-120.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.30.163.120]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 50 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2795D322-59E6-43C9-8839-729A9392082D@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6D5E08AD-7733-480C-8D62-7617A3470164@frozenlight.eu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:22:55 +0200 References: <4BE2010F.7000107@verizon.net> <169D33E4-6666-4497-BEC7-D14F590C84AE@solms.co.za> <4BE2BF2C.1000800@verizon.net> <84D77456-6525-422A-943D-E3E28BAC7922@solms.co.za> <4BE40B84.5060305@verizon.net> <6D5E08AD-7733-480C-8D62-7617A3470164@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:23:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4689b231755034211378 The rational side of my brain says "true, true" - but the other side of my brain has seen how fanatical camera "collectors" can get. It's clear now that Chris, for example, has placed me (and all other OM-3Ti fans / owners) in that category, but I simply want the best OM body I can get for MY needs, and I really don't want a battery-dependent camera for where I plan to take it, nor do I enjoy auto-exposure (then I may as well have stayed with a digital SLR with a much better auto-exposure system to begin with). But I am dead serious. If I had the extra money, I would buy that new in box sample, store it for 10 years, and put it on the Japanese market. I think one would make a heck of a lot of money, and it's got nothing to do with "reason". Do you think the guy that runs the "Red Book Aid Nikkor" site actually *uses* his Ultra-Micro Nikkors? I have seen equally fanatical Olympus OM collectors. We're a mild bunch, the real fanatics don't belong to lists like these. Anyway, just a thought... The auction ended, one bid, so somebody did actually buy it for $2000. I bet you that same person would just as easily have paid $2500. I might be wrong. Dawid On 07 May 2010, at 9:14 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > If some idiot pays such a price for ANY 35mm film camera, then yes, > it will be like a stock market investment...mirroring the markets' > performance this week. > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:48:53 2010 Received: (qmail 2032 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:48:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0082E18089 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABD0E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF663610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB6B34AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl04.gs02.gridserver.com (cl04.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:53562 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl04.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OATXS-0001k4-1V for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:48:47 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 15:48:45 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Thread-Index: AcruHk19jDPyr1oREd+VbQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <2795D322-59E6-43C9-8839-729A9392082D@solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:48:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be46ea54021950411718 On 5/7/10 3:22 PM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > The rational side of my brain says "true, true" - but the other side > of my brain > has seen how fanatical camera "collectors" can get. > > It's clear now that Chris, for example, has placed me (and all other > OM-3Ti > fans / owners) in that category, but I simply want the best OM body I > can get > for MY needs, and I really don't want a battery-dependent camera for > where I plan > to take it, nor do I enjoy auto-exposure (then I may as well have > stayed with > a digital SLR with a much better auto-exposure system to begin with). I was talking about the people who would pay for the one on ebay; you got a much better deal from John. I think you wasted your money though, and here's why: You said in a previous post that you wanted it for taking pictures with less vibration than the OM1 gives because the site that has all the OM lens tests showed the OM-1 gave less sharp results than an OM-4 or 4T that was also used for the tests. Here's the thing: The OM-4/4T gave less vibration because the guy doing the tests used the self timer, which locks the mirror up and stops down the lens 10 or 12 seconds before the shutter fires. The OM-3/3Ti DOES NOT HAVE A SELF TIMER. Now if that wasn't a factor and you just wanted it for the bragging rights, and you had the money, then you got a good deal. You know what 35mm camera I have used that gives the absolute least vibration? I have a Nikon F4 that I got in high school. Its big, heavy, and I rarely use it anymore, but the shutter makes NO vibration, even with the mirror slap. It offers mirror lock up but I don't think it really makes much difference. The F4 shutter had a metal balancer that moved the opposite direction of the shutter blades to counteract the movement so the camera doesn't vibrate! Its really neat and it works. The Oms vibrate horribly, as does my Leica. They produce pictures as sharp as the Nikon does, but if I did macro work the Nikon would probably win out. You may well find that it does little better than the OM-1, and I consider the OM-3Ti to be a pretty battery dependent camera. The whole reason for buying it or its cousin, the OM-4T, is the metering system. No battery = no meter. > > But I am dead serious. If I had the extra money, I would buy that new > in box > sample, store it for 10 years, and put it on the Japanese market. I > think > one would make a heck of a lot of money, and it's got nothing to do with > "reason". I'd not invest money that way. I would make FAR more by buying a camera and actually USING it, like God and Mr. Maitani intended, and selling the prints that come from it. You spend $2000 on that overpriced camera and if the economy doesn't totally collapse, you might double or triple your money in 10 yrs. Last year I sold $7000 worth of prints. The investment in cameras to use was a FAR better investment than any collector camera. I carry a 35mm camera everywhere I go, and my cameras show it in their appearance. > > Do you think the guy that runs the "Red Book Aid Nikkor" site actually > *uses* his Ultra-Micro Nikkors? I have seen equally fanatical Olympus > OM collectors. We're a mild bunch, the real fanatics don't belong to > lists > like these. > > Anyway, just a thought... The auction ended, one bid, so somebody did > actually buy it for $2000. I bet you that same person would just as > easily > have paid $2500. > > I might be wrong. > > Dawid > > -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:52:23 2010 Received: (qmail 13829 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:52:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400F9E18098 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA61E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA27E4B23C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B53E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.221.180]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so2156731qyk.11 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:50:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.188.71 with SMTP id cz7mr432292qcb.6.1273261844256; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.195 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 03:50:44 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9c34d2ed57fdb95b Message-ID: From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Hong Kong nice day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:52:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be46f77240941234514069 Seldom nice day without haze before July in Hong Kong. Last Saturday I wondered a pretty good day with sunny & no haze. I took films into film backs & went to take some shots before the dinner. Fortunately, I caught it ^_^ http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/20100501 Meanwhile, I tested my new 612 film back (made in China) & lucky it's no light leak. But I'm not sure why the color of the film is shift, maybe too long to complete it over 2 months. http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL72F56_030.jpg http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_031.jpg http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_032.jpg --- Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 21:54:46 2010 Received: (qmail 26711 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8E5E1809F for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F386AE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF02D3610002 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FB734AC026 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15520 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2010 19:48:57 -0000 Message-ID: <586180.14421.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YYhJO3YVM1nso052LtVxac4kUUpkYBNalaLcyHdvTD1wvnN AhP.uSQjHQIZYGuzgdgIDzCEhMzwCot1lwHHM3sQAnog4K1q3_7jC.8Tf3d0 3xRJKY70xwAtir9UkQ0.EGqlftpaNZoIQYNErpMZLCEgCo4X4TIhT_ntH1d_ quxRyG.TXVe9m_j1.LraxKMe3dLDAk39NXprdOahF8zz1k.i0wAra_NTnjdS v50AxLDKYN7GRu92zP5b2XpRhzpIQvWBodGdEFBUUYMYWqW24 Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:48:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 21:54:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be47006257721076813867 I have a friend who purchased glasses from Canada. Less expensive but the drawback being that they took forever to come in. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 22:34:47 2010 Received: (qmail 18969 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 20:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 20:34:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E8AE180B3 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B218BE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A4F3610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B4034AC03A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24032 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 20:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 20:34:38 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:34:36 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: leftovers from Denmark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 22:34:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be47967169675034211378 I have shown you galleries from Copenhagen and =C5rhus already, but of cour= se there were a number of images that did not neatly fit into those galleri= es, and anyway I wanted to save some for my PAW. So here is a selection foc= using mainly on people: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D380 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 22:39:21 2010 Received: (qmail 15942 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 20:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 20:39:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C33E180A6 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115A7E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F40134AC03B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B267134AC039 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100507203911.GFDD26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:39:11 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id EkfA1e00G233qdw02kfApl; Fri, 07 May 2010 16:39:11 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=7rLvZdu5bI38_pzH5HsA:9 a=7njJ1erPnFbmS1SNDEw_H6failoA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <68924083668E4D508EDBB8CD100B1EE0@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:39:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 22:39:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be47a79160412013633067 > Luxottica owns LC, Pearle, Sears Optical, Target Optical and K-Mart. That's the one. All frames sold at Walmart are discontinued styles. Should you break something, you're screwed. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 22:49:54 2010 Received: (qmail 29405 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 20:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 20:49:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1CAE18099 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E15E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6D53610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626123610002 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 13:49:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-31-118.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.31.118]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 609 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8F8081D6-6137-4324-9AD7-B0B599822FEE@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:49:07 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 22:49:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be47cf2303291342116753 OK, this might be a long one. I think it's most your historically repeated coupling of a term like "bragging rights" with the 3Ti which forces me to elaborate a bit, although I'm not sure it'll help: On 07 May 2010, at 9:48 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > You said in a previous post that you wanted it for taking pictures > with > less vibration than the OM1 gives because the site that has all the > OM lens > tests showed the OM-1 gave less sharp results than an OM-4 or 4T > that was > also used for the tests. Here's the thing: The OM-4/4T gave less > vibration > because the guy doing the tests used the self timer, which locks the > mirror > up and stops down the lens 10 or 12 seconds before the shutter > fires. The > OM-3/3Ti DOES NOT HAVE A SELF TIMER. Now if that wasn't a factor and > you > just wanted it for the bragging rights, and you had the money, then > you got > a good deal. Hi Chris, You make good points, for sure. I understand that Gary Reese used self timer / mirror lockup for his test shots, but for any kind of non-static subject, that's not all that useful. For those types of situation, I rely (and intend to rely even more) on Macro flash, after receiving the beautiful Macro flashes from Clay last year. I love using the OM-2n for flash work, but am very frustrated by the "henry ford" style of shutter speed choice it, and the OM-4, provides: You can have any speed, as long as it's 1/60. I specifically want more control over background brightness, especially with high-magnification Macro (1/60s will pretty much always be pitch black when you're using the 20mm Macro) - and I don't have 4 flashes and the necessary cords to fully artificially light my scenes fully. I find it interesting that you think that I would obtain a 3Ti for bragging rights, in this era where almost nobody knows what film is anymore. Heck, almost nobody knows what a Leica is, never mind an extremely obscure Olympus body. Who am I going to brag to? Do you think I also obtained the 250/2.0 for bragging rights? I gave up a ~$10,000 Canon EOS system to get into the OM system, is it wrong of me to want the best that this (discontinued) system offers, in order to realise my photographic vision? Well anyway, we each do things for our own reasons. I spend every week-end in the darkroom. > You know what 35mm camera I have used that gives the absolute least > vibration? I have a Nikon F4 that I got in high school. Its big, > heavy, and > I rarely use it anymore, but the shutter makes NO vibration, even > with the > mirror slap. It offers mirror lock up but I don't think it really > makes much > difference. The F4 shutter had a metal balancer that moved the > opposite > direction of the shutter blades to counteract the movement so the > camera > doesn't vibrate! Its really neat and it works. The Oms vibrate > horribly, as > does my Leica. They produce pictures as sharp as the Nikon does, but > if I > did macro work the Nikon would probably win out. Probably, yes. However, true high-magification Macro work makes up 1% of my photography, and an OM body in a human hand is supremely dampened, certainly the only Nikon I've handled that's smoother than my OM-1 "in-hand" is an F6 (that thing is amazing). But it's also 2x the volume, and the lenses are often massive. You obviously decided to purchase a Leica M4 for a reason. I almost went down that same route, but decided on an OM-3Ti instead for my "one 35mm body". The OM-1 could *almost* make me happy forever, but there are a couple of things on the 3Ti which will address that. > You may well find that it does little better than the OM-1, and I > consider > the OM-3Ti to be a pretty battery dependent camera. The whole reason > for > buying it or its cousin, the OM-4T, is the metering system. No > battery = no > meter. I really don't care about the meter. I am a 100% incident metering guy. If I could buy a mechanically excellent 3Ti with dead electronics for $500 I probably would. I want the best mechanical shutter Maitani and his team ever made, and I want that small, robust body, and I want the viewfinder, and I want 1/2000s. > I'd not invest money that way. I would make FAR more by buying a > camera and > actually USING it, like God and Mr. Maitani intended, and selling > the prints > that come from it. You spend $2000 on that overpriced camera and if > the > economy doesn't totally collapse, you might double or triple your > money in > 10 yrs. Last year I sold $7000 worth of prints. The investment in > cameras to > use was a FAR better investment than any collector camera. I carry a > 35mm > camera everywhere I go, and my cameras show it in their appearance. Same here, so then we understand each other. I don't collect. Still, you present no argument here: You could still sell your prints, as well as make money off selling a highly collectible camera you happened to have picked up for a good price. But, as a *user* camera, the 3Ti is probably the most technologically advanced, sexiest, most durable mechanical camera made. And they only made 4000. It's special. It's an "ultimate" of sorts. So why on earth do you have such a problem with people wanting one? You must have a field day on rangefinderforum.com with the Leicaphiles? Will you regard my work less when I no longer only use an OM-1? Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 23:05:54 2010 Received: (qmail 11611 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 21:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 21:05:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C5DE18095 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3647E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DFA34AC038 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D4E34AC035 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.108]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12735 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2010 21:05:45 -0000 Message-ID: <359641.11811.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E566HW0VM1k2cn59wfsTgwSC4ixubsxK11.zr8jLauNvi9y Gvq1z.tlYE7V7UftHX_GT253tmrijv2lce4DQzvmPNs2OFZLFLZlqb_ldBfb Q_KWjpMLtziwFiCK7O0_dIxMPLBovaDJcAXAzeMkaIXUpFzRrPNkVvEBLPgC FamDOpv99s3flIYfyMd8tE2OOeJAgrc48YZHHNpotmRXMWAgQf6rjodxsI.c yA6vS9iAtTh7i4lB1nCtjdq4.anfrMXbiziTYuv8R4wueZaUnw9pPf55_t80 IB8PpVBFAC2F7AMmd7SnxEgqMxvCBHHluglKPivbI5A7wjeaY Received: from [75.37.27.211] by web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:05:45 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:05:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Jeff Keller Contact info X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 23:05:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be480b2237721234514069 Does anybody have a working email for long time list member Jeff Keller? = =A0 I have something for him, but his email that was an alias just for om mail= =A0, no longer works and he has not contributed here since last year. =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 PS you can email me off list, so he does not get spammed -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 23:14:35 2010 Received: (qmail 15379 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 21:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 21:14:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0ADE1809C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CF6E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB26FE4722A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5297EE47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so1100184ywh.26 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.147.201 with SMTP id m9mr399903ibv.11.1273266866367; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8F8081D6-6137-4324-9AD7-B0B599822FEE@solms.co.za> References: <8F8081D6-6137-4324-9AD7-B0B599822FEE@solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:14:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: faa21ff590595e0b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 23:14:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be482bb202576789618724 My personal take, which I've expressed before is this: 1. A NIB OM-3Ti with all the plastic protectors still attached should, at this point, remain NIB and not used. The camera represents far more value as an investment than a camera. I believe that in ten years, the investment will prove to be a wise one. 2. A used OM-3Ti should be placed in the hands of photographers wanting the best possible OM camera for the purpose. 3. Technically, the OM-4T/Ti is a better camera in most regards, but it does have the electronic shutter which is better under MOST conditions. But I can think of and have personally experienced specific circumstances where the mechanical shutter of the OM-3Ti has/would have been very beneficial. 4. The OM-1(md/n) is most certainly NOT as smooth in operation as the OM-3Ti. There is a difference in how the cameras vibrate during exposure. 5. The OM-3Ti is extensively sealed against the environments, whereas the OM-1(md/n) isn't so much. 6. Metering system. No comparison. The mirror-chamber metering means brighter focusing screens without the swings in accuracy. My current harem includes the OM-2S, OM-4T and OM-3Ti. Each camera is quite different from each other and has very specific handling/operational strengths. I do not use the cameras the same way. Depending on the application I will grab one over the others. As I've said previously, had I known back in the '90s what the OM-3Ti was REALLY like, I would have gotten one back then. It really is in a different league than other OM bodies. It not only looks different and sounds different, but it also feels different. I know what you all are saying about vibration, but honestly, I have less vibration problems with the OM-3Ti than any other OM body. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 23:38:50 2010 Received: (qmail 12487 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 21:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 21:38:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F145E180A6 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C852E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CC4E4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F082EE47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so902295gya.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.85.205 with SMTP id p13mr446518ibl.8.1273268323174; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <577B5D18-D006-4EA5-BAA8-1DF7F38131F8@solms.co.za> References: <1414317769.8026431273247571331.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <577B5D18-D006-4EA5-BAA8-1DF7F38131F8@solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:38:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 707649d2d94460b1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 23:38:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4886a280412013633067 > > I want to see whether it can be a Pan-F stand-in for me (I really don't > like the modern T-grain films like Delta 100 for some or other reason, > technically good as they are, they need a lot of printing magic to make them > look "non-boring"). > I've shot a LOT of Pan-F this past year and agree with your assessment. It and FP4 print very nicely in the darkoom (as does Tri-X), but Delta 100 has something just a touch off. I think I figured out what it is for me, though. Zones II-IV seem to all combine together into Zone III. But if you push them down in printing into I-II, that the print starts to snap. Other than that, Delta 100 and 400 are my favorite films. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 7 23:41:37 2010 Received: (qmail 13840 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF358E180A0 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C8AE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5144E4722B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBC0E47229 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o47LfRQb024705 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:41:27 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.cd7.6db0ea8f (45492) for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-mc07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC077-d3ae4be488fa3ad; Fri, 07 May 2010 17:41:18 -0400 Received: from Webmail-m104 (webmail-m104.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.158]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC034-d3ae4be488fa3ad; Fri, 07 May 2010 17:41:14 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 17:41:14 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.230 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.230 by Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.158) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 May 2010 17:41:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBC4527008850-230C-D5C4@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Sony jumps into the Mix X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 7 23:41:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be48911294913900897491 Long rumored EVIL entry: http://tinyurl.com/37cj6e3 Perhaps some nice fast primes--Zeiss would be nice, but no evidence for that. I bet they vastly surpass Samsung and may compete with MFT--latter has marked head start on lens line-up. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:04:58 2010 Received: (qmail 439 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:04:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B334E180A5 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AA1E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3C534AC039 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92834AC03A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22732 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 22:04:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 22:04:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 18:04:45 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hong Kong nice day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 00:04:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be48e8a307073900897491 My initial thought was maybe vignetting but a closer look (especially on 031) seem that the color or exposure change is along very straight lines with about 1/4 at each end affected. I don't know what it is but I'm not convinced it's not a light leak. Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > > Meanwhile, I tested my new 612 film back (made in China) & lucky it's no > light leak. But I'm not sure why the color of the film is shift, maybe too > long to complete it over 2 months. > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL72F56_030.jpg > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_031.jpg > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_032.jpg > > > > --- > Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:07:55 2010 Received: (qmail 31002 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51499E1809C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD41E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F2334AC038 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156B234AC035 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.112]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11735 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2010 22:07:44 -0000 Message-ID: <528199.4408.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YX0a_54VM1mVq6_SrgwJG09bZ7tz5DQ0rSW4cmCWoCbtdpN eqwbI4W0Xqei1wKgD_7nZufD12tATW_UDdbP5xFmYj9y26vnZgnUgeBv5eZM oUMKS5Eq4uaXzZqFiVw5wSBsQ6Ta01hMybwegxSsE7vCRIfM.AjrStAqmkUn YCDhdsX3QLpcrEiTbPef6DjOPhK0eBSNeUZbPis2lbDKwAaLuoE6vARFRdI1 Htyy4kdPvluYhk10qUYlud_bIEUwlpJGLR7nIkF7Zviu2LtoiNblWkOuffBx 9Loz8iEAI3gE7ShnCo4RLWkr3C8WuY5.ZhBoXaNg3HijhNpUVmhFJk0iUKzZ ITgyn0zAQTVY8TVh3w5XpgtWCS5HDJZfYAYl1Vg-- Received: from [12.40.240.51] by web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:07:44 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 00:07:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be48f3b128527801554290 Grain is always an emotive issue, and there is something classic about tri-= x, having said that I love Delta 100 and 400 for general use. = =A0 I long gave up on FP4. =A0 Tim Hughes --- On Fri, 5/7/10, Ken Norton wrote: From: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2.1 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 2:38 PM > > I want to see whether it can be a Pan-F stand-in for me (I really don't > like the modern T-grain films like Delta 100 for some or other reason, > technically good as they are, they need a lot of printing magic to make t= hem > look "non-boring"). > I've shot a LOT of Pan-F this past year and agree with your assessment. It and FP4 print very nicely in the darkoom (as does Tri-X), but Delta 100 has something just a touch off. I think I figured out what it is for me, though. Zones II-IV seem to all combine together into Zone III. But if you push them down in printing into I-II, that the print starts to snap. Other than that, Delta 100 and 400 are my favorite films. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:17:58 2010 Received: (qmail 21508 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D4BE18091 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44857E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32838E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB881E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30182 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 22:17:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Little did we know. :-) Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:22:01 2010 Received: (qmail 32260 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9ABE1809E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01FCE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D542E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3039AE47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32277 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2010 22:21:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2010 22:21:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 18:21:44 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 00:22:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be49289120951234514069 Not only did the seller (and another very recently) get their $2000 price, the same seller sold one last month for $2275. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > I think the people here who can afford it are not stupid enough to spend > that much, and the rest cannot afford it even if they were foolish enough to > pay that price. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:27:39 2010 Received: (qmail 9457 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:27:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017E7E18087 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D1AE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594A3E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF9E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so1142222ywh.26 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.21 with SMTP id o21mr277241iby.58.1273271253399; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:27:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c4ee4df4d3b28491 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 00:27:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be493db297301357919056 Hey, let's put it into another perspective: $2000 for an OM-3Ti now as an investment for future sale or $2000 on a digital camera for future sale? I think I'd put my money on the OM-3Ti. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 00:45:05 2010 Received: (qmail 23259 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 22:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 22:45:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68D3E1809F for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC62E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0734AC035 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF14A34AC03A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so972760yxe.22 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.168.9 with SMTP id s9mr475200iby.7.1273272294667; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:44:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 32269759392e613d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: T-grain films & Fomapan, was 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 00:45:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be497f1326101357919056 Delta 100, in my experience, is an outstanding film for scanning. I don't think you can go wrong with it at all. It's an amazing film and is highly manipulatible in scanning or in the darkroom. The only thing about it in the darkroom is that it doesn't naturally give the classic look, but does require that you work at it a little bit. Not insurmountable, but isn't a natural fit for deep emotional blacks. Highlight latitude is wonderful, though. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 01:10:55 2010 Received: (qmail 14433 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 23:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 23:10:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3276E180A1 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ABFE24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59F3E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB7BE47213 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o47NAZV8024867 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:10:35 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.bf6.4e26ebe3 (45488) for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-mc07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC073-d3cf4be49de462; Fri, 07 May 2010 19:10:30 -0400 Received: from Webmail-m104 (webmail-m104.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.158]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC021-d3cf4be49de462; Fri, 07 May 2010 19:10:28 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:10:28 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.230 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.230 by Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.158) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 May 2010 19:10:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] OM's go Spelunking with Flash Bulbs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 01:10:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be49dff279589730998309 I really must find those Big Bertha Bulbs in the closet. Seems spelunkers really value the bulbs--lots of light in a small package. Only need a small amount of power to ignite 'em. http://www.darklightimagery.net/blisset.html http://www.darklightimagery.net/caveimages.html http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/09/blast-from-past-flash-bulbs_11.html No X Sync Required Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 01:46:20 2010 Received: (qmail 11811 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 23:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 23:46:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5D0E180A5 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCA3E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB23EE47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3793E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl04.gs02.gridserver.com (cl04.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:54082 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl04.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OAXFD-0007Wx-1x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 16:46:12 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:46:11 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Thread-Index: AcruP3jEt1RS3loyEd+N7QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 01:46:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4a64c291811234514069 Was it sold to one of us here on the OM list? I said I think that the people here (ie. On the list) are either too poor or too smart to spend that much on it. Was I right or wrong? Lol -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/10 6:21 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Not only did the seller (and another very recently) get their $2000 > price, the same seller sold one last month for $2275. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I think the people here who can afford it are not stupid enough to spend >> that much, and the rest cannot afford it even if they were foolish enough to >> pay that price. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 01:57:06 2010 Received: (qmail 23239 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2010 23:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2010 23:57:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C40E18092 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF2E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D365FE47228 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88800E47223 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so315217qyk.8 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 16:56:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.79.38 with SMTP id n38mr418191qak.204.1273276619705; Fri, 07 May 2010 16:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 16:56:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:56:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM's go Spelunking with Flash Bulbs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 01:57:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4a8d254421357919056 Some really cool shots in there. Thanks much for sharing. Don't think I could ever take such pictures though. Neat as they may be, caves give me the creeps. Paul C. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 02:02:38 2010 Received: (qmail 18185 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597A8E180A5 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67233E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488AE34AC03A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2840834AC039 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:54102 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OAXV1-00018d-J7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 17:02:33 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 20:02:30 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OM-3Ti Thread-Index: AcruQcBM/w9wmFo0Ed+N7QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 02:02:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4aa1e265831946193717 Ken, You are a professional photographer, you know better than to buy a camera based on resale value. Lets put it in real perspective. That $2000 digital camera will have no resale value but will make you tens of thousands of dollars in the time you use it. The OM-3Ti will too, but it too will have little resale if you really use it, cause you'll wear it out or it'll be beat up looking at the end. These are tools for you and I, not toys as they are for collectors and dentists who buy then cause they have the $$$ (A phenomenon common in the world of Leicas and Hasselblads too). Tools are an investment because you'll make money from the work you do with them, not because you will ever sell them. Its kind of like buying stocks. Back when people were sane, they bought stock in companies that would make a profit cause the dividends they received were the payoff from the investment. Now, no one gives a damn about that, they just want the stock price to go up constantly and so the companies don't bother paying dividends. Instead they focus on shortsighted immediate gains to bolster the stock price to levels higher than it should be based on the real value of the company. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/10 6:27 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > Hey, let's put it into another perspective: $2000 for an OM-3Ti now as an > investment for future sale or $2000 on a digital camera for future sale? I > think I'd put my money on the OM-3Ti. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 02:32:45 2010 Received: (qmail 22885 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEC8E18056 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8C1E24105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7834AC03A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B9734AC039 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:32:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L22008X4S79K6I1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:33:09 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAJNO5EtMC2o8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYbvk0OhQcEhm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,351,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="603736862" Received: from blk-11-106-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.60]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:32:25 -0300 Message-id: <6238EBA0C1D1434288038125E46859EB@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBB8CBA9F19B3-1E24-842E@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com> <1604FD01BC5540C68B152581280CF1B7@hudson> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 21:32:26 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7081 Subject: Re: [OM] OT - the ultimate lunacy / your daily smile ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 02:32:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4b12d306561413256596 The flower is the "Lady Slipper Orchid" Here's the link to the Independent's piece in today's [7 May 2010] on line edition: http://tinyurl.com/2vm5h9q You might like to poke around the following site and the personality whose name you see in the URL .......... a Canadian from metro Vancouver, BC who featured in a black and white tv court room drama series back in the 1960s.. He was a noted grower of orchids. http://www.RaymondBurrVineyards.com/home.html jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OT - the ultimate lunacy / your daily smile ! > Do you have a link John? What is the plant? > > Charlie > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> This piece from tomorrow's [7 May 2010] edition of The Independent, one >> of >> the UK's more literate newspapers: >> >> >> "It is the sort of police operation reserved for the highest-profile >> VIPs. >> Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and >> covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been >> security >> tagged to protect against abduction. >> >> What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for >> visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is >> being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf course. >> >> It is the sort of police operationreserved for the highest-profile VIPs. >> Patrols have been stepped up around the subject's place of residence and >> covert CCTV is being considered. The potential target has also been >> security >> tagged to protect against abduction. >> >> What is all the more remarkable is that this treatment, normally kept for >> visiting dignitaries of a foreign state or perhaps a Cabinet minister, is >> being rolled out for a single delicate plant on a Lancashire golf >> course." >> >> >> Totally off topic photography wise, but perhaps some intrepid photog with >> a >> 250/2 lens might snap a shot of the celebrity ! >> >> jh >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 5092 (20100506) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5095 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5095 (20100507) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 03:43:12 2010 Received: (qmail 24115 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 01:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 01:43:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8630E180AA for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD70E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3086E34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB56E34AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27446 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2010 01:43:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 01:43:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE4C1A6.5060002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 21:43:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 03:43:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4c1b08193900897491 I have no idea who bought them. All I know is the final price. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Was it sold to one of us here on the OM list? I said I think that the people > here (ie. On the list) are either too poor or too smart to spend that much > on it. Was I right or wrong? Lol > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 03:53:02 2010 Received: (qmail 7803 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 01:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 01:53:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F92E180A5 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BD8E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42D334AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E40C34AC035 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so61236vws.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 18:52:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.157.135 with SMTP id b7mr236886vcx.208.1273283573672; Fri, 07 May 2010 18:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.95.148 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 18:52:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:52:53 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 03:53:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4c3fe222913900897491 That's it - congrats ! My problem is that I think two or three shots are enough .... and such a beautiful species is unseen here. Still learning from you, Moose. Fernando. 2010/5/5 Moose : > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 04:58:01 2010 Received: (qmail 28008 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 02:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 02:58:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE58AE180B2 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1180EE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0424F3610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6F34AC025 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o482voso014091 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:57:50 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d55.70ddfaa5 (37225) for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA064-91694be4d32837c; Fri, 07 May 2010 22:57:44 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <39f9d.72fec7c7.39162d28@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:57:44 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.110.72 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM Series OM-3Ti Digital Camera User Manual X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 04:58:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4d339200121076813867 In a message dated 5/7/2010 5:17:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: Yup. # 370288583093. It must be Bill since the seller is in Houston. Little did we know. :-) Chuck Norcutt -- I wish it were me, I'd stop the auction and keep the manual. It is, no doubt, a photocopy. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 06:03:23 2010 Received: (qmail 23272 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 04:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 04:03:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24D8E180B6 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7729E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC9EE4B23B for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700F7E47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so569396qyk.8 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.234.68 with SMTP id kb4mr644444qcb.103.1273291389535; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.195 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:03:09 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd255ce1b88cfe5d Message-ID: From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hong Kong nice day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 06:03:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4e28b325515034211378 Chuck, I found it too, I'm not sure what happen? But seems not related to the film back ....... will try more roll film to identify. --- Michael On 8 May 2010 06:04, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My initial thought was maybe vignetting but a closer look (especially on > 031) seem that the color or exposure change is along very straight lines > with about 1/4 at each end affected. I don't know what it is but I'm > not convinced it's not a light leak. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Michael Wong wrote: > > > > Meanwhile, I tested my new 612 film back (made in China) & lucky it's no > > light leak. But I'm not sure why the color of the film is shift, maybe > too > > long to complete it over 2 months. > > > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL72F56_030.jpg > > > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_031.jpg > > > > http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_032.jpg > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 06:17:09 2010 Received: (qmail 16625 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 04:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 04:17:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BE3E18088 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F26E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3FBE47214 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18656E47213 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1020095gya.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.176.7 with SMTP id bc7mr659368ibb.2.1273292224318; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE4C1A6.5060002@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE4C1A6.5060002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 23:17:04 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67cddf7ef93de83f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 06:17:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4e5c5282561413256596 > > I have no idea who bought them. All I know is the final price. > A gentlement never... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 07:53:13 2010 Received: (qmail 14185 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 05:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 05:53:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC06E180A8 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BF2E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E162E3610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA2834AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 22:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o485r0GD030053 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:53:00 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c11.42449c44 (37685) for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB081-93354be4fc36c7; Sat, 08 May 2010 01:52:54 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <9f6.2b78da2a.39165636@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:52:54 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.110.72 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] 25mm auto extension for $22 including postage. Good deal if you need one. eBay X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 07:53:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4fc49172979752976205 350350609510 Bill Barber (No connection) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 08:08:43 2010 Received: (qmail 20822 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 06:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 06:08:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5ABE1808F for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A40E24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C772034AC028 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E83610002 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:08:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13426 invoked from network); 8 May 2010 06:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 06:08:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:08:32 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 08:08:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be4ffeb230131258626592 Yes, on the Leica list we obviously have our fair share of collectors and discussions about resale values etc. The bottom line is that I have yet to see any kind of credible analysis that "investing" in collectible cameras is better than just putting the money into a bank account paying a couple of %, or investing it in single malt whiskey or pissing it away on whatever else you fancy. By all accounts, the OM-3Ti is a good camera, and good cameras should be used to take pictures. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 8, 2010, at 2:02 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Ken, > > You are a professional photographer, you know better than to buy a camera > based on resale value. Lets put it in real perspective. That $2000 digital > camera will have no resale value but will make you tens of thousands of > dollars in the time you use it. The OM-3Ti will too, but it too will have > little resale if you really use it, cause you'll wear it out or it'll be > beat up looking at the end. These are tools for you and I, not toys as they > are for collectors and dentists who buy then cause they have the $$$ (A > phenomenon common in the world of Leicas and Hasselblads too). Tools are an > investment because you'll make money from the work you do with them, not > because you will ever sell them. > > Its kind of like buying stocks. Back when people were sane, they bought > stock in companies that would make a profit cause the dividends they > received were the payoff from the investment. Now, no one gives a damn about > that, they just want the stock price to go up constantly and so the > companies don't bother paying dividends. Instead they focus on shortsighted > immediate gains to bolster the stock price to levels higher than it should > be based on the real value of the company. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 5/7/10 6:27 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > >> Hey, let's put it into another perspective: $2000 for an OM-3Ti now as an >> investment for future sale or $2000 on a digital camera for future sale? I >> think I'd put my money on the OM-3Ti. >> >> AG > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 08:20:38 2010 Received: (qmail 7702 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 06:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 06:20:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9A3E18091 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2504FE24A9E for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160A73610001 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D74A34AC029 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 23:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so1276359wyf.20 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 23:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.135.209 with SMTP id o17mr971749wbt.150.1273299630670; Fri, 07 May 2010 23:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i34sm11010094gve.24.2010.05.07.23.20.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 May 2010 23:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 07:20:28 +0100 Message-Id: <8CAE50F6-E2FC-4748-B62D-F20C365D07B9@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: T-grain films & Fomapan, was 250mm F2.1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 08:20:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be502b6167721136683642 Heh, I didn't think that it would be long before you jumped to the defence of the T-Grain, Ken. Delta is a T-Grain film isn't it? But I think that "manipulable" might be a more elegant word to use ... :-) Chris On 7 May 2010, at 23:44, Ken Norton wrote: > Delta 100, in my experience, is an outstanding film for scanning. I don't > think you can go wrong with it at all. It's an amazing film and is highly > manipulatible in scanning or in the darkroom. The only thing about it in the > darkroom is that it doesn't naturally give the classic look, but does > require that you work at it a little bit. Not insurmountable, but isn't a > natural fit for deep emotional blacks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 09:02:17 2010 Received: (qmail 28064 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 07:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 07:02:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741A2E18098 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 00:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA120E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 00:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF13610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 00:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D99434AC029 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 00:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 00:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4871xcf026661 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:01:59 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <50CE20961C534904910F8DEB1EA5CE44@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:01:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 09:02:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be50c7936841136683642 To me, camera is just for fun, I never think about resell value. I don't think camera is a good investment tool (for resell), an investment tool is something that I can rely on it for living, to me camera is sure not an option. We do have all our money invested on stock, based on last three years experience, we earned over 8% a year and it is good enough to support our living. Talking about choosing stocks I do consider dividends, over 70% (by investment value) of our invested company has dividends over 3% a year. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" > Ken, > > You are a professional photographer, you know better than to buy a camera > based on resale value. Lets put it in real perspective. That $2000 digital > camera will have no resale value but will make you tens of thousands of > dollars in the time you use it. The OM-3Ti will too, but it too will have > little resale if you really use it, cause you'll wear it out or it'll be > beat up looking at the end. These are tools for you and I, not toys as > they > are for collectors and dentists who buy then cause they have the $$$ (A > phenomenon common in the world of Leicas and Hasselblads too). Tools are > an > investment because you'll make money from the work you do with them, not > because you will ever sell them. > > Its kind of like buying stocks. Back when people were sane, they bought > stock in companies that would make a profit cause the dividends they > received were the payoff from the investment. Now, no one gives a damn > about > that, they just want the stock price to go up constantly and so the > companies don't bother paying dividends. Instead they focus on > shortsighted > immediate gains to bolster the stock price to levels higher than it should > be based on the real value of the company. > > > On 5/7/10 6:27 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > >> Hey, let's put it into another perspective: $2000 for an OM-3Ti now as >> an >> investment for future sale or $2000 on a digital camera for future sale? >> I >> think I'd put my money on the OM-3Ti. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 10:08:03 2010 Received: (qmail 9981 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 08:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 08:08:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D624E180B5 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F237E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F9F3610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C254A34AC028 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp10.register.it [81.88.48.60]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 01:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24469 invoked from network); 8 May 2010 08:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 08:07:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:07:50 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 10:08:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be51be3180941220213263 You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and the Elmarit, Jim! Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html > > The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of these along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques are welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 11:16:11 2010 Received: (qmail 29340 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 09:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 09:16:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225EEE180A4 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 02:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E36E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 02:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808A334AC025 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 02:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7C53618007 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 02:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 02:16:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-199-169.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.199.169]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 286 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:29:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <58703ED1-7D72-4FBB-BC75-C545FD0B3464@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:16:00 +0200 References: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OM's go Spelunking with Flash Bulbs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 11:16:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be52bdb182801006886880 Wow, most interesting links, and a couple of amazing photographs! Thanks for posting. I never knew there was still a use for the one-time flash bulbs... Dawid On 08 May 2010, at 1:10 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > I really must find those Big Bertha Bulbs in the closet. > > > Seems spelunkers really value the bulbs--lots of light in a small > package. Only need a small amount of power to ignite 'em. > > > http://www.darklightimagery.net/blisset.html > > > http://www.darklightimagery.net/caveimages.html > > http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/09/blast-from-past-flash-bulbs_11.html > > > No X Sync Required Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 12:22:17 2010 Received: (qmail 14019 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 10:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 10:22:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7D0E180A8 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 03:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C763E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 03:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E1434AC028 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 03:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033C334AC025 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 03:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 03:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8FAGPY5EvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDGI5HjSutC5AlgSaDAW4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,352,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="2002683" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 08 May 2010 22:22:09 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B4C20240; Sat, 8 May 2010 22:22:08 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 22:22:08 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: <92730606e471c6ccf3b50b6598a6c06b@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: [OM] (OM) item #300423601772, ending on May-09-10 08:29:48 PDT X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 12:22:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be53b5981189730998309 Hi all, I'd have a shot at this one myself but seller will not send outside USA. The 'good' s/n. Check it out. I have no pecuniary interest in the sale. Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 13:11:48 2010 Received: (qmail 6145 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 11:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 11:11:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CF9E180B9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B45FE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CC9E4B23B for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563C7E4B226 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so300929wwb.20 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.203 with SMTP id c53mr788394wef.79.1273317099004; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm11502824gvb.16.2010.05.08.04.11.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 May 2010 04:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <131D9DD8-9ACB-40D5-9CC5-EA208BB1413A@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hong Kong nice day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 13:11:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be546f4112549730998309 Could it be film curling, or not sitting flat anyway? I like the views, Michael. Chris On 7 May 2010, at 23:04, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My initial thought was maybe vignetting but a closer look (especially on > 031) seem that the color or exposure change is along very straight lines > with about 1/4 at each end affected. I don't know what it is but I'm > not convinced it's not a light leak. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Michael Wong wrote: >> >> Meanwhile, I tested my new 612 film back (made in China) & lucky it's no >> light leak. But I'm not sure why the color of the film is shift, maybe too >> long to complete it over 2 months. >> >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL72F56_030.jpg >> >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_031.jpg >> >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_032.jpg > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 13:23:09 2010 Received: (qmail 29495 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 11:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 11:23:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2BE18089 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464B5E24105 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9BA34AC027 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9F934AC025 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8FAPvl5EvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDGI5HjSutDpAkgSaDAW4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,352,1270382400"; d="scan'208";a="3449078" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 08 May 2010 23:23:01 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ED52023F; Sat, 8 May 2010 23:23:00 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 23:23:00 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: <65b5acc6bf2d7b69752d845d7f22eca3@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 13:23:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5499d267921006886880 When I had my new-prescription glasses done a couple of weeks ago, the plastic (presumably moulded), coated lenses, fitted to the old frames I provided, were ready early the next day. Not a few days or weeks; next day. I also mentioned to them the frames that this new set were to replace. Similar prescription, the frames had been bought in 1995 at the same place, but then were my reading glasses which were to become my distance glasses as my eyes changed. The spring in one leg had broken which made the spectacles fit my face a bit lopsided, and I had repeatedly fixed this using instant glue. I'd finally had enough of this arrangement which was why I returned for a new test etc. To my utter surprise, they made the offer (which I accepted) to fix the broken leg ( replacement) and clean the whole set-up ( they have some super-cleaning bath for this purpose), replace the discoloured nose-piece; all for a very modest $31NZ. I accepted gladly, and my old specs are wonderfully restored to like new. Just like new. Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 13:49:27 2010 Received: (qmail 16388 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 11:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 11:49:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18900E1809B for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113E6E24105 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0015CE47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7606CE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so314079wwb.20 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.3 with SMTP id v3mr783934wee.190.1273319360480; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.6 with HTTP; Sat, 8 May 2010 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <65b5acc6bf2d7b69752d845d7f22eca3@snap.net.nz> References: <65b5acc6bf2d7b69752d845d7f22eca3@snap.net.nz> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 07:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New glasses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 13:49:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be54fc7153301357919056 > Let me tell you Brian... you've got more than wonderful scenery. > That's a level of service that's been long-lost in the USA (sadly). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 14:58:28 2010 Received: (qmail 12861 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 12:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 12:58:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC45E180BB for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570D7E24105 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 05:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0A934AC025 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 05:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B989B34AC027 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8961 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2010 12:58:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 12:58:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE55FEB.5010605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 08:58:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBC519E189064-230C-E0B3@Webmail-m104.sysops.aol.com> <58703ED1-7D72-4FBB-BC75-C545FD0B3464@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <58703ED1-7D72-4FBB-BC75-C545FD0B3464@solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM's go Spelunking with Flash Bulbs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 14:58:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be55ff431742517112723 This is the shot I found most interesting. It took a helluva lot more light than the spelunking shots. I do hope they advised the railroad and the engineer before taking the shot. I can imagine the engineer having a heart attack with that flash going off in the middle of nowhere in near total darkness. Heh, heh. Can you imagine the cost of a single test shot! Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Wow, most interesting links, and a couple of amazing photographs! > Thanks for posting. I never knew there was still a use for the one-time > flash bulbs... > > Dawid > > On 08 May 2010, at 1:10 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> I really must find those Big Bertha Bulbs in the closet. >> >> >> Seems spelunkers really value the bulbs--lots of light in a small >> package. Only need a small amount of power to ignite 'em. >> >> >> http://www.darklightimagery.net/blisset.html >> >> >> http://www.darklightimagery.net/caveimages.html >> >> http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/09/blast-from-past-flash-bulbs_11.html >> >> >> No X Sync Required Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 15:28:32 2010 Received: (qmail 16893 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 13:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 13:28:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C16E180B6 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CF9E24105 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE9834AC029 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5307D34AC027 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26027 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2010 13:28:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 13:28:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE566F5.7030407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:28:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <92730606e471c6ccf3b50b6598a6c06b@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <92730606e471c6ccf3b50b6598a6c06b@snap.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) item #300423601772, ending on May-09-10 08:29:48 PDT X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 15:28:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be56700269721234514069 I'm willing to front this for you and then send it on to NZ if you'd like. I've just emailed the seller and asked about sticky diaphragm and fungus. Text of my email just sent. Too early for a response yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- While this lens is no doubt in excellent external condition it may still be subject to oil on the diaphragm blades (from chemical breakdown of the grease in the focusing helicoid) or, more serious, fungus inside the lens. That would not be uncommon in the heat and humidity of South Carolina, especially a lens stored in a dark box. Can you certify that the diaphragm blades operate freely and with a "snappy" action and that the lens is free of fungus? For the latter you need to inspect the interior using a bright light from the other side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me know if you want to do it assuming a reasonable response to my questions. But be advised that I'll not get into disputes with the seller if it arrives full of South Carolina fungus after he's said there is none. KEH price for EX is USD 105, EX+ USD 172. I can snipe it for you if you give me your max bid. Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd have a shot at this one myself but seller will not send outside USA. > The 'good' s/n. > > Check it out. I have no pecuniary interest in the sale. > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 15:31:32 2010 Received: (qmail 26970 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 13:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 13:31:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1012E180AB for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2CBE24AA4 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A6BE47223 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72227E47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 06:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27682 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2010 13:30:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 13:30:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE5676D.8010706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:30:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <92730606e471c6ccf3b50b6598a6c06b@snap.net.nz> <4BE566F5.7030407@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE566F5.7030407@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100507-1, 05/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) item #300423601772, ending on May-09-10 08:29:48 PDT X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 15:31:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be567b4271204877110844 You might want to pass on this one. I just got this response: "i'm sorry but i cannot answer your question. it belongs to my husband and he is in phoenix for the week. thanks for asking." Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm willing to front this for you and then send it on to NZ if you'd > like. I've just emailed the seller and asked about sticky diaphragm and > fungus. Text of my email just sent. Too early for a response yet. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > While this lens is no doubt in excellent external condition it may still > be subject to oil on the diaphragm blades (from chemical breakdown of > the grease in the focusing helicoid) or, more serious, fungus inside the > lens. That would not be uncommon in the heat and humidity of South > Carolina, especially a lens stored in a dark box. Can you certify that > the diaphragm blades operate freely and with a "snappy" action and that > the lens is free of fungus? For the latter you need to inspect the > interior using a bright light from the other side. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Let me know if you want to do it assuming a reasonable response to my > questions. But be advised that I'll not get into disputes with the > seller if it arrives full of South Carolina fungus after he's said there > is none. > > KEH price for EX is USD 105, EX+ USD 172. I can snipe it for you if you > give me your max bid. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'd have a shot at this one myself but seller will not send outside USA. >> The 'good' s/n. >> >> Check it out. I have no pecuniary interest in the sale. >> >> Brian Swale > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 16:29:38 2010 Received: (qmail 12337 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 14:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 14:29:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12D6E1808D for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5387E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397DE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608DBE47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so1064524qyk.8 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.23.131 with SMTP id r3mr893424qab.378.1273328966237; Sat, 08 May 2010 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.195 with HTTP; Sat, 8 May 2010 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <131D9DD8-9ACB-40D5-9CC5-EA208BB1413A@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE48E7D.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> <131D9DD8-9ACB-40D5-9CC5-EA208BB1413A@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 22:29:26 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6977818fc1964160 Message-ID: From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hong Kong nice day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 16:29:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be57552124673900897491 Chris, I don't know but I'll try more rolls to confirm the cause. Thanks ^^ --- Michael On 8 May 2010 19:11, Chris Barker wrote: > Could it be film curling, or not sitting flat anyway? > > I like the views, Michael. > > Chris > > On 7 May 2010, at 23:04, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > My initial thought was maybe vignetting but a closer look (especially on > > 031) seem that the color or exposure change is along very straight lines > > with about 1/4 at each end affected. I don't know what it is but I'm > > not convinced it's not a light leak. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > > > Michael Wong wrote: > >> > >> Meanwhile, I tested my new 612 film back (made in China) & lucky it's no > >> light leak. But I'm not sure why the color of the film is shift, maybe > too > >> long to complete it over 2 months. > >> > >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL72F56_030.jpg > >> > >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_031.jpg > >> > >> http://www.micfotop.net/others/20100501/XL110F56_032.jpg > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 17:09:23 2010 Received: (qmail 5594 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3A7E1809D for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2EE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377A234AC029 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA9934AC027 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24879 invoked from network); 8 May 2010 15:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 15:09:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:09:11 +0200 Message-Id: <6C4AE3E2-364E-4158-AAF5-FD8AFDEC970A@frozenlight.eu> References: <87A9CA37-CB88-431F-9040-457084382CEC@frozenlight.eu> <233A2417FD814F67800E97392316B1DA@hudson> <9EF4B417-D3E3-48B5-AC96-3E2B7497FA83@people.net.au> <4BDEC417.8020200@verizon.net> <20100503142225.GA9377@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <1F20A270-FAC3-4BC8-8B24-688A31B952CE@people.net.au> <20100504032105.GA11734@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <4BDFEFB0.9030709@picturepedia.org> <1DF2B029D72C4A94BF892A2D66AFAB72@your9ya3hf92n3> <4BE071C7.20409@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE139EE.6020702@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Quail! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 17:09:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be57ea323247801554290 Well done, beautiful pic! And yes, we cyclists are nice people :-) Nathan (about to head out on 2 wheels) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 5, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Moose wrote: > I've been quiet on the list at least in part 'cause I've been out > shooting. Pressed a shutter release 287 times today, deleted a few on > the spot, for a net of over 260. 590 shutter presses over the last six days. > > Pure madness, I suppose, as it will take forever to go through them and > process the good ones, but I've been having a great time out in nature, > shooting away. :-) > > Look enough places and shoot enough and I do hit the occasional jackpot. > > > I got Carol to stop talking and stay back and she got three mountain > bikers to stop and wait as I oh so slowly and carefully crept closer and > closer to this fellow, taking a couple of shots at each point along the > way, 15 shots before this one. Once it scuttled off, the cyclists > cheered me, rather than being pissed at being held up. One of them said > he thought I would get down on my belly for a head portrait. Nice day! > > A. Sneaky Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 8 18:02:53 2010 Received: (qmail 20808 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B409E1808B for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3051BE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB04E47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F01E47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:02:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 09:02:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o48G2hKo028290 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:02:46 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:02:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 8 18:02:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be58b2d296591073733319 Thanks, Nathan. I see the combination as an economical way to get digital images with Leica glass. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and the > Elmarit, Jim! > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant >> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >> >> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of these >> along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 00:42:17 2010 Received: (qmail 15810 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 22:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 22:42:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739EDE180BF for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DFBE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BCF34AC028 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE8334AC026 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68559 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2010 22:42:08 -0000 Message-ID: <52701.68551.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aF.XVnkVM1l.ba9SDz2n9XoY1qq4RyiIrHw_NPI6a5lr7Iu RxiQMDle4CG_nTUmGsWuAAMwX20JpnuBNC9Mz_qeUgp73PNoL5HVo7UwKI_w gCVdHmC7VVbAh39Pz8wPh6IPoJtWscrcGJsk3EGd.2gX5Ug.ljFnyINvtPWw l1XCNJ30V2iQQHDzw4inqtPycPyum8QGG3jm0ZVanNPZRYNuLjn3uU0PThqh uqNyAXGa1EL1vuz7ucmo.08RCWrKxLk2xjhw4XkASPoT5ha5nEJa5FjOuS2O W.2FmXwRKhPvD8S9Ci2AuCUyG Received: from [173.64.13.137] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:42:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 00:42:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5e8c950113900897491 Best Buy carries the E-PL1 now. The camera feels nice but the shutter seemed to fire very quickly. It did not seem that the lens hunted or focused when pressing the shutter button. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 01:37:02 2010 Received: (qmail 60 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 23:37:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DC8E1808E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDB7E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FFAE47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2880CE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25702 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2010 23:36:54 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2010 23:36:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE5F595.2070102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 19:36:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <52701.68551.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <52701.68551.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100508-1, 05/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 01:37:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5f59e43111946193717 Perhaps it was already in focus or nearly so. Did you try forcing it both close and far? For example, pick a target 3 feet away and then focus on the far end of the store and then the reverse. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Best Buy carries the E-PL1 now. The camera feels nice but the shutter > seemed to fire very quickly. It did not seem that the lens hunted or > focused when pressing the shutter button. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 01:51:56 2010 Received: (qmail 14903 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 23:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 23:51:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4596E180B7 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330E8E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B73610004 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDA33610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L24004DVL0ZF060@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 08 May 2010 20:53:26 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAP+V5UtMC2o8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYYvRgOhQcEhm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,354,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="753346905" Received: from blk-11-106-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.60]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 08 May 2010 20:51:40 -0300 Message-id: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 20:51:40 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7083 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 01:51:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5f91c288656789618724 Jim ............. our local CBC Nova Scotia tv news channel carried footage today of the Grand Old Op'ry [spelling ?] being 24" under water after your State's most recent bad experience with nature. Assure us all that you are still afloat or at least that your sump pump is working and canoe paddles are all tuned up. The flooded landscape was not a pretty picture on the tv screen. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > Thanks, Nathan. I see the combination as an economical way to get digital > images with Leica glass. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Wajsman" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:07 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > > >> You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and the >> Elmarit, Jim! >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last remnant >>> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >>> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>> >>> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >>> these >>> along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 01:59:38 2010 Received: (qmail 27600 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2010 23:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2010 23:59:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F203E180AD for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DDEE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39444E4B226 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E221FE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o48NxU9L005380 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 19:59:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dee.1d79b33 (37660) for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 19:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d22.mail.aol.com (magic-d22.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.138]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB072-931c4be5fae0232; Sat, 08 May 2010 19:59:28 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <6916e.209d5f4e.391754e0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:59:28 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.138.108 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.138 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Free Cameras? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 01:59:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5faea146595683411216 I have two cameras listed on APUG for the price of postage to your home. If anyone here has an interest, let me know as I need room. The first is a Kodak Pony 135 with a slow shutter, but otherwise OK. The other is a nice Miranda Sensorex with Viviitar 161 flash, small heavy table top tripod, 50mm and 135mm Miranda lenses. All original caps and cases. Camera has battery leakage, so probably is toast. The lenses are nice with clear optics. The 135mm could pass for mint. Either or both for the price of priority shipping ($15.00). I'm not willing to take any pictures or to ship overseas. The tripod is probably worth what the postage will cost and the 135mm lens is probably worth twice that. Respond off list. If you are going to tear the lenses apart for their glass or mechanical parts, please don't tell me, just take them, thank me and lets go on down the road. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 02:01:32 2010 Received: (qmail 9071 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 00:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 00:01:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EC2E1808D for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E360E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E62DE4B226 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F702E47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19143 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2010 23:59:47 -0000 Message-ID: <518987.18865.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3jEyIDwVM1kLnQJ_K3YFP8TEpkmNmsSGJNKgj3y4NUWxwoT Gozhq7mfMY9.UBjLM808_NyQ4Jv_LvY55GplqUag_kUtsZ2utp0Ny78qONrE anu0ouk4obNeNYgZGlkTbuSAslBkJj0ET7KJRLqRJ8e9WPJjg9Y8m2dyYMKi aV_rRhf3ThY6Y21CIrdA5.IJI.rwaxQ514CZAvAGnZKSunCKT9E76hSvAxiS vBqNPS73eDDiXtuqKHw6D_Axnxy3rTlChhSpELA.DFjhrlfYEY6DZClN5VYF Kf3R.cVa.pg-- Received: from [173.64.13.137] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 May 2010 16:59:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE5F595.2070102@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 02:01:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5fb5c59621879814018 Yes I did. Moved the camera in different directions, changed lens focal len= gth, and pointed at objects near and far. Boxes popped on the LCD (face det= ection or focus point?) Anyhow it was quick. I had to touch all the other cameras also! 8-) > Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 7:36 PM > Perhaps it was already in focus or > nearly so.=A0 Did you try forcing it = > both close and far?=A0 For example, pick a target 3 feet > away and then = > focus on the far end of the store and then the reverse. > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 02:19:45 2010 Received: (qmail 31458 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 00:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 00:19:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E80E180A0 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15FDE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9492B3610002 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF133610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9633 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 00:19:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 00:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE5FF99.9010300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 20:19:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <518987.18865.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <518987.18865.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100508-1, 05/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 02:19:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be5ffa1249561234514069 Then you're satisfied that it was focusing. I thought you were suspicious that maybe it wasn't working at all. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Yes I did. Moved the camera in different directions, changed lens > focal length, and pointed at objects near and far. Boxes popped on > the LCD (face detection or focus point?) > > Anyhow it was quick. I had to touch all the other cameras also! 8-) > > > > > >> Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 7:36 PM Perhaps it was already in >> focus or nearly so. Did you try forcing it both close and far? >> For example, pick a target 3 feet away and then focus on the far >> end of the store and then the reverse. >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 02:24:11 2010 Received: (qmail 7006 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 00:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 00:24:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16948E180B2 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F217AE24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD47FE47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C515E47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o490NxD7025262 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 00:24:02 GMT Message-ID: <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:24:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 02:24:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be600ab101502517112723 Hi John, Thanks for your concern. We are fine. We had the foresight 43 years ago to build on high ground. Nashville has a real mess. The low-lying areas, such as the area where the Opry Land Hotel is located, and many others, suffered real damage. It will take a long time for Nashville to get back on its feet. I have a sump pump in my storage barn, from a long-ago project, and I have my Dad's canoe paddle in the attic, but I have no intent of disturbing either of them. :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > Jim ............. our local CBC Nova Scotia tv news channel carried > footage > today of the Grand Old Op'ry [spelling ?] being 24" under water after your > State's most recent bad experience with nature. > > Assure us all that you are still afloat or at least that your sump pump is > working and canoe paddles are all tuned up. > > The flooded landscape was not a pretty picture on the tv screen. > > jh > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > > >> Thanks, Nathan. I see the combination as an economical way to get >> digital >> images with Leica glass. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nathan Wajsman" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time >> >> >>> You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and >>> the >>> Elmarit, Jim! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >>> >>>> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last >>>> remnant >>>> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >>>> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>> >>>> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >>>> these >>>> along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 02:44:05 2010 Received: (qmail 16480 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 00:44:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420EAE18098 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89F0E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D766E3610003 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F8B3610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o490ht9j003861 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:43:55 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o490hsUg020751 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:43:54 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <80AF42E93C594520B9EAAC3CEFC0620E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <52701.68551.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BE5F595.2070102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:43:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 02:44:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be60555147902517112723 E-PL1 focus every time when you press the shutter no matter the object is in focus or not, the focus action is very obvious and not fast with the kit lens. But it can focus under very dark condition and there is NO focus error like all DSLRs I have used. Some test data available at dp: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1004/10042202olypenfirmware.asp C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Perhaps it was already in focus or nearly so. Did you try forcing it > both close and far? For example, pick a target 3 feet away and then > focus on the far end of the store and then the reverse. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > AS wrote: >> Best Buy carries the E-PL1 now. The camera feels nice but the shutter >> seemed to fire very quickly. It did not seem that the lens hunted or >> focused when pressing the shutter button. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 02:45:58 2010 Received: (qmail 29086 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 00:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 00:45:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5A6E18089 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4316E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E683610003 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4573610002 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-112.ctimail.com [61.93.57.112]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o490j9Nn000399 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:45:09 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o490j8UF021720 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:45:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <518987.18865.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BE5FF99.9010300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:45:07 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-PL1 @ Best Buy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 02:45:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be605c6150856107113666 May be the camera was in MF mode. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Then you're satisfied that it was focusing. I thought you were > suspicious that maybe it wasn't working at all. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > AS wrote: >> Yes I did. Moved the camera in different directions, changed lens >> focal length, and pointed at objects near and far. Boxes popped on >> the LCD (face detection or focus point?) >> >> Anyhow it was quick. I had to touch all the other cameras also! 8-) >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 03:05:14 2010 Received: (qmail 3280 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 01:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 01:05:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB79E180A6 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EB5E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66A6E47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB4AE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o49155nU020373 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 21:05:05 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d5a.5faa4246 (55486) for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 21:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d22.mail.aol.com (magic-d22.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.138]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD012-d8be4be60a3e7d; Sat, 08 May 2010 21:05:02 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <6b43e.1ccb8e44.3917643e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:05:02 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.138.108 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.138 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Free Cameras? 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Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 03:13:55 2010 Received: (qmail 26156 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 01:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 01:13:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86038E180B3 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50F5E24A9E for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2CD3610002 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126093610001 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:13:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2400C1SOTS8Q81@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 08 May 2010 22:15:28 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAL+o5UtMC2o8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYYvHQOhQcEhm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,354,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="753370982" Received: from blk-11-106-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.60]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 08 May 2010 22:13:48 -0300 Message-id: <2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 22:13:48 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7083 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 03:13:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be60c53178131560218263 The wise and the prudent build on high ground. Makes for good photography as well as keeping dry ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > Hi John, > > Thanks for your concern. We are fine. We had the foresight 43 years ago > to > build on high ground. > > Nashville has a real mess. The low-lying areas, such as the area where > the > Opry Land Hotel is located, and many others, suffered real damage. It > will > take a long time for Nashville to get back on its feet. > > I have a sump pump in my storage barn, from a long-ago project, and I have > my Dad's canoe paddle in the attic, but I have no intent of disturbing > either of them. :-) > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > > >> Jim ............. our local CBC Nova Scotia tv news channel carried >> footage >> today of the Grand Old Op'ry [spelling ?] being 24" under water after >> your >> State's most recent bad experience with nature. >> >> Assure us all that you are still afloat or at least that your sump pump >> is >> working and canoe paddles are all tuned up. >> >> The flooded landscape was not a pretty picture on the tv screen. >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time >> >> >>> Thanks, Nathan. I see the combination as an economical way to get >>> digital >>> images with Leica glass. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nathan Wajsman" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time >>> >>> >>>> You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and >>>> the >>>> Elmarit, Jim! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> >>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> >>>>> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last >>>>> remnant >>>>> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >>>>> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >>>>> these >>>>> along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 03:51:52 2010 Received: (qmail 292 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 01:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 01:51:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931B5E180A4 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B70E24105 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84214E47214 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAFDE47213 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 18:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14781 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 01:51:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100508-1, 05/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 03:51:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be61538103832439112457 Glad to hear you're all safe and dry. I've never had to use the canoe (although some neighbors did) but I have had a foot of ice cold water in the basement at two prior houses. But it came in under frozen ground during spring thaws and not from above ground flooding. Lesson learned: Just like hard drives, if you use a sump pump be sure to keep a backup. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for your concern. We are fine. We had the foresight 43 years ago to > build on high ground. > > Nashville has a real mess. The low-lying areas, such as the area where the > Opry Land Hotel is located, and many others, suffered real damage. It will > take a long time for Nashville to get back on its feet. > > I have a sump pump in my storage barn, from a long-ago project, and I have > my Dad's canoe paddle in the attic, but I have no intent of disturbing > either of them. :-) > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > > >> Jim ............. our local CBC Nova Scotia tv news channel carried >> footage >> today of the Grand Old Op'ry [spelling ?] being 24" under water after your >> State's most recent bad experience with nature. >> >> Assure us all that you are still afloat or at least that your sump pump is >> working and canoe paddles are all tuned up. >> >> The flooded landscape was not a pretty picture on the tv screen. >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time >> >> >>> Thanks, Nathan. I see the combination as an economical way to get >>> digital >>> images with Leica glass. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nathan Wajsman" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time >>> >>> >>>> You are really getting the best out of the combination of the Oly and >>>> the >>>> Elmarit, Jim! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> >>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> >>>>> Today, the rhododendrons are in bloom. The first shows the last >>>>> remnant >>>>> of a wild plant that is struggling to survive. It is underneath >>>>> overhanging holly branches, so lighting was a challenge. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> The second is a domesticated white rhododendron. We use a hedge of >>>>> these >>>>> along a busy street, to help muffle traffic noise. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/White+Rhododendron.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> Comments and critiques are welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5096 (20100507) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 04:41:54 2010 Received: (qmail 28049 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ip1mta.uwm.edu (ip1mta.uwm.edu [129.89.7.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 19:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu ([129.89.7.82]) by ip1mta.uwm.edu with ESMTP; 08 May 2010 21:41:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223E2C38013 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 21:41:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pantherlink.uwm.edul Received: from mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KFOXn7WWi9-2 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 21:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu [129.89.7.86]) by mta02.pantherlink.uwm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473A32C38011 for ; Sat, 8 May 2010 21:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:41:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Alan Magayne-Roshak To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> In-Reply-To: <2062757580.8431941273372819626.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.199.149.205] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.22_GA_3210.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/5.0.22_GA_3210.RHEL4_64) X-Authenticated-User: amr3@uwm.edu Subject: Re: [OM] 250mm F2.1/Film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 04:41:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be620f2167909730998309 On Fri, 7 May 2010 Dawid Loubser wrote: >Pan F at ISO32 is simply wonderful (but just a tad slow to shoot hand- >held, and I can't find the stuff >here). So I want to see what a high-resolution image shot on Fomapan >can do at 12x16in. >Do any of you guys use Fomapan? >Dawid =========================================================================================== I've never even seen any film of that brand. I still have six 50 foot rolls of Agfapan APX 25, 400+ feet of bulk Tech Pan and 200 feet of Kodak Direct Positive film (basically Panatomic-X, my favorite film ever) that will hold me for a while. Alan Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer UPAA POY 1978 University Information Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee amr3@uwm.edu http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 13:20:51 2010 Received: (qmail 9998 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 11:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 11:20:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736DFE1809F for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EE6E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04180E47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47616E47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:20:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5914 invoked from network); 9 May 2010 11:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 May 2010 11:20:40 -0000 Message-Id: <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:20:39 +1000 References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 13:20:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be69a93208921234514069 B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's ebay mint++,no box :-)). Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 13:46:11 2010 Received: (qmail 29948 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 11:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 11:46:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A86E18095 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DE2E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3793034AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FFC34AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1941022fxm.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.140.9 with SMTP id v9mr253031hbv.153.1273405564094; Sun, 09 May 2010 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:46:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 13:46:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6a08347661234514069 My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and offers very good image quality. (and built to last!) They have become cheaper lately... Iwert 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's > ebay mint++,no box :-)). > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 14:09:48 2010 Received: (qmail 20892 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 12:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 12:09:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C076E1808C for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 05:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515CE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 05:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD2034AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D0234AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o49C9ZXX008368 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:09:35 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d4f.735eb5ca (43909) for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC076-ab854be6a5fd20a; Sun, 09 May 2010 08:09:33 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <358d.f3c0013.3917fffd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:09:33 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.208.145 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] FS - Olympus OM Bellows and Olympus double cable release X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 14:09:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6a60c115801234514069 Both pieces you will need. Both in nice condition. The rear nylon block has a crack on one corner, however this does not prevent it from functioning properly. Bellows light tight with no crinkles or misaligned folds. $85 including shipping in the USA. Money cheerfully refunded if you are not pleased with the condition upon receipt and item returned to me. If interested in overseas shipping, please contact me off-list. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 15:21:58 2010 Received: (qmail 27751 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 13:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 13:21:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9CEE1809C for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AB1E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773C5E4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DCAE47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wijsmuller@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so565pvg.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:21:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.86.3 with SMTP id j3mr2034129wab.152.1273411310573; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.234.18 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:21:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0f2bfe8a262da6e3 Message-ID: From: Frank Wijsmuller To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 15:21:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6b6f6129071612113968 Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I would be surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. Unfortunately only for UK residents. Regards, Frank 2010/5/9 zuiko > My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and > offers very good image quality. > (and built to last!) > > They have become cheaper lately... > > Iwert > > > 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : > > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's > > ebay mint++,no box :-)). > > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is > > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 15:23:54 2010 Received: (qmail 18196 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 13:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 13:23:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D648E1809A for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A9BE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CCD34AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3300A34AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wijsmuller@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so2201987qyk.8 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:21:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.187.71 with SMTP id cv7mr1985039qcb.81.1273411315894; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.211 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:21:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:21:25 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2f22d7afc8085af9 Message-ID: From: Frank Wijsmuller To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 15:23:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6b76a14721413256596 Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I would be surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. Unfortunately only for UK residents. Regards, Frank 2010/5/9 zuiko > My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and > offers very good image quality. > (and built to last!) > > They have become cheaper lately... > > Iwert > > > 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : > > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's > > ebay mint++,no box :-)). > > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is > > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 15:35:53 2010 Received: (qmail 30711 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13008E180A9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F57BE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B890934AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488DE34AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so293260fgg.8 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.71 with SMTP id w7mr109613hbh.36.1273412145774; Sun, 09 May 2010 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 15:35:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6ba39171411560218263 and the distance scale is in meters! good find. Iwert 2010/5/9 Frank Wijsmuller : > Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I would be > surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. > > Unfortunately only for UK residents. > > Regards, Frank > > > > 2010/5/9 zuiko > >> My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and >> offers very good image quality. >> (and built to last!) >> >> They have become cheaper lately... >> >> Iwert >> >> >> 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : >> > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's >> > ebay mint++,no box :-)). >> > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is >> > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? >> > Andrew Fildes >> > afildes@people.net.au >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 17:04:15 2010 Received: (qmail 21253 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 15:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 15:04:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D5CE18089 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4E5E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C05E4B23B for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF67E4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1410000gya.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.85.205 with SMTP id p13mr1736581ibl.8.1273417447721; Sun, 09 May 2010 08:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.144.207 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:04:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:04:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 61b2b02f629b6f73 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 17:04:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6ceef299612013633067 > > and the distance scale is in meters! good find. > What are those? AG (cubits, anyone?) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 17:13:02 2010 Received: (qmail 4882 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 15:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 15:13:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB9CE18092 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF50E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE6D34AC028 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8FE34AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2025402fxm.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.81 with SMTP id q17mr263570hbb.188.1273417975865; Sun, 09 May 2010 08:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 08:12:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:12:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 17:13:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6d0fe73601413256596 For me the only comprehensible distance scale, circa 1/40000000 the circumference of our planet (as long as it lasts, with BP's and others toying around). So how do you describe 35mm film? 1,378 thumbs :) Iwert 2010/5/9 Ken Norton : >> >> and the distance scale is in meters! good find. >> > What are those? > > AG (cubits, anyone?) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 18:08:49 2010 Received: (qmail 20985 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 16:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 16:08:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B2EE180A5 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BE4E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB1E34AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B921634AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1134092pwj.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.213.39 with SMTP id p39mr1810581rvq.19.1273421318089; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:08:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:08:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 18:08:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6de11300431073733319 Meant this to go to the list. Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Fenwick Date: 9 May 2010 17:07 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? To: Frank Wijsmuller Well, there is something close to a blue sky today. You can make your own assessment of the state of the sensor from this file: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/124357449 With a 28mm lens at close focus (0.25m) and f16. Tom On 7 May 2010 09:43, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: > Hi Tom, > > thanks for your reply. Sorry, forgot to tell, I'm from the Netherlands. > That means no customs since it is all EU. > I'd appriciate some test frames. Blue sky, f22 usually makes dust quite > visible. > > Visited your part of the UK once, very beautiful. Blue sky could be a > problem though (it is usually in the Netherlands too ;-). > > Of course I would take the adapter, just wondered ;-). > > Waiting for some testshots then. Please mail them to wijsmuller@gmail.com > , because wijsmuller.org doesn't like attachements. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, Frank. > > > 2010/5/6 Tom Fenwick > >> Yes, Northern England, no less. I don't think you would face customs >> within the EU. I am not sure about people in the US. Where are you? >> >> Tom >> >> On 6 May 2010 14:29, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> and I forgot: you are in Great Brittain right, pricing in pounds? >>> Don't want to end up paying customs, you see ;-). >>> Regards, Frank. >>> >>> 2010/5/6 Frank Wijsmuller >>> >>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> I am interested. Hope you can answer some questions. >>>> Why do you sell it? Do you know how many shots were taken? Is the sens= or >>>> OK? Cleaned, hot pixels, dead pixels, etc? >>>> Would you sell it for less without the adapter? >>>> Thanx in advance, >>>> >>>> regards, Frank Wijsmuller, the Netherlands >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/5/6 Tom Fenwick >>>> >>>> Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for >>>>> themselves? >>>>> >>>>> A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny >>>>> scratches >>>>> on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing = at >>>>> the >>>>> lower left rear corner. >>>>> Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, >>>>> battery, >>>>> cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted >>>>> paperwork. >>>>> >>>>> Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but >>>>> standard >>>>> screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. >>>>> >>>>> Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for >>>>> this >>>>> list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. >>>>> >>>>> Go on - find out for yourself...! >>>>> >>>>> =A3650 to you lot. >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 18:47:03 2010 Received: (qmail 1045 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 16:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 16:47:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAA0E180BA for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE14E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D77E47223 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF4FE47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21642 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 16:46:54 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 16:46:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 12:46:54 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100509-0, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 18:47:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6e707154595683411216 Not too bad. I'd guess that what's visible there at f/16 would not be visible at f/11. I have a great deal of difficulty getting the 5D sensor squeaky clean at f/16 or higher without resorting to cleaning solutions so I generally don't bother. I just use a brush. Diffraction starts to intrude beyond f/11 so if it looks good at f/11 that's usually good enough for me. I just avoid f/16. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Meant this to go to the list. > > Tom > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tom Fenwick > Date: 9 May 2010 17:07 > Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? > To: Frank Wijsmuller > > > Well, there is something close to a blue sky today. You can make your own > assessment of the state of the sensor from this file: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/124357449 > > With a 28mm lens at close focus (0.25m) and f16. > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 18:54:21 2010 Received: (qmail 11721 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 16:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 16:54:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E227FE1807F for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F65E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6F734AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAF534AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so412208wwc.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.129 with SMTP id g1mr2640079wbs.180.1273424053176; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm15014465gve.19.2010.05.09.09.54.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 May 2010 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:54:11 +0100 Message-Id: <9CE78D3E-906C-46B7-B293-3D3865DF44BB@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 18:54:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6e8bd241231073733319 This looks like a good way to dissuade someone from buying a camera without an integral sensor cleaning system ... :-) Chris On 9 May 2010, at 17:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Not too bad. I'd guess that what's visible there at f/16 would not be > visible at f/11. I have a great deal of difficulty getting the 5D > sensor squeaky clean at f/16 or higher without resorting to cleaning > solutions so I generally don't bother. I just use a brush. Diffraction > starts to intrude beyond f/11 so if it looks good at f/11 that's usually > good enough for me. I just avoid f/16. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 19:08:37 2010 Received: (qmail 23047 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D79E180AB for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54041E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC72E47223 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAAAE47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f173.google.com (mail-pz0-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so1335777pzk.26 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.187.3 with SMTP id o3mr1788655rvp.224.1273424908249; Sun, 09 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9CE78D3E-906C-46B7-B293-3D3865DF44BB@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9CE78D3E-906C-46B7-B293-3D3865DF44BB@threeshoes.net> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:08:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 19:08:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6ec1532792439112457 Taken in the spirit it's intended, but I was actually trying to show that there's no particular dust problem with the 5D. All my sensors show that much dirt in that kind of test, and virtually none in practical use! And that particular one has had a lot of such use. Tom On 9 May 2010 17:54, Chris Barker wrote: > This looks like a good way to dissuade someone from buying a camera without > an integral sensor cleaning system ... :-) > > Chris > > On 9 May 2010, at 17:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > Not too bad. I'd guess that what's visible there at f/16 would not be > > visible at f/11. I have a great deal of difficulty getting the 5D > > sensor squeaky clean at f/16 or higher without resorting to cleaning > > solutions so I generally don't bother. I just use a brush. Diffraction > > starts to intrude beyond f/11 so if it looks good at f/11 that's usually > > good enough for me. I just avoid f/16. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 20:10:17 2010 Received: (qmail 14074 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 18:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 18:10:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043B0E1808B for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D779E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866534AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1DE34AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp10.register.it [81.88.48.60]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 356 invoked from network); 9 May 2010 18:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 18:10:02 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:10:00 +0200 Message-Id: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 20:10:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6fa89205619752976205 During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. TIA, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 20:12:44 2010 Received: (qmail 29637 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 18:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 18:12:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18C9E180A2 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B966E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB8F34AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151D034AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-26-149-183.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.26.149.183]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 119 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 18:25:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2DF2CFD7-7C82-4383-86D5-1C8555FDB8BF@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <358d.f3c0013.3917fffd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:11:25 +0200 References: <358d.f3c0013.3917fffd@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] FS - Olympus OM Bellows and Olympus double cable release X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 20:12:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be6fb1c133633900897491 I'd just like to vouch for the Olympus double cable release if anybody here is tempted but has never seen one. I have used several cable releases in my life, including Prontor, Mamiya and Linhof. They are all built like pieces of junk compared to the Olympus one, it's an amazingly solid, smooth, well-crafted piece of equipment. You won't be sorry. On 09 May 2010, at 2:09 PM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Both pieces you will need. Both in nice condition. The rear nylon > block > has a crack on one corner, however this does not prevent it from > functioning properly. Bellows light tight with no crinkles or > misaligned folds. $85 > including shipping in the USA. Money cheerfully refunded if you > are not > pleased with the condition upon receipt and item returned to me. If > interested in overseas shipping, please contact me off-list. Bill > Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 20:35:37 2010 Received: (qmail 32663 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 18:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 18:35:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6491E1808C for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3ECE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6479834AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2111034AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-26-149-183.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.26.149.183]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 1011 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 18:49:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:35:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 20:35:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be70079114961006886880 Yo fellow Zuikoholics, As promised, I printed some of the images I shot and developed on my = Friday morning pre-work outing with my first roll of Fomapan 100 Classic film. I = loaded up an OM-1, took my three favourite f/2 Zuikos (slow film, early morning..), = and went for a walk next to the lake on the way to work. My first reaction is "Not bad. Not bad at all...". In summary, it's = very old-school, punchy, with slightly less grain, as well as less highlight range, = than FP4. Mid-tones seem very well separated though, and the prints look great, without a = lot of darkroom effort required. The negatives were very "dense" though, and required = about 2x longer enlarging times than what I'm used to with FP4. But this was my first = roll, so developing times can be adjusted in fitire. I exposed it at ISO64, and developed it in D76 1+1 (9min30s @ 20=BAC). = This was all-in-all one of my better rolls in a while, many what I would call "keepers". I = only had time to print 4 so far, and this chronologically, so it's not the = best ones on the roll, but it might be enough to inspire somebody looking for a really = cheap, pleasant B&W film? (Fomapan costs almost half of what the better Ilford films = cost). Opening Magnolia http://snipurl.com/w3six (90mm at f/2.0, hand-held) Step-by-step flying instructions http://snipurl.com/w3sjm (250mm at f/2.0, hand-held) Opposing Elements http://snipurl.com/w3sjx (250mm at f/2.0, hand-held) [What better way to test mid-tone rendering than a grey feather on a grey lake? I love how Fomapan handled it] Caught in a chain-link fence http://snipurl.com/w3sky (90mm at f/2.0, hand-held) All of these were printed on 8x10in Ilford MG IV paper via a diffusion-light-source enlarger (so a condenser would have even stronger grain) with a Schneider W.A. Componon 80mm f/5.6, all at f/8. Bottom-line? It ain't no Pan F, and FP4 only has a tad more grain, but I do prefer other aspects of FP4 (like the softer highlight rendering) = more. So I don't think I'll become an enthusiastic Fomapan shooter, unless = I'm on a tight budget. Fomapan has absolutely no curl after drying, though, and was a = pleasure to work with. I have read on online forums complaints, but those same = people also noted that the film had turned their developer blue, so it must = have been an earlier generation of this film. Next up? A serious re-look at Delta 100... regards, Dawid -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 20:38:13 2010 Received: (qmail 4336 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 18:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 18:38:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF31BE180A0 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F656E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304CC34AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAA234AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:38:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-26-149-183.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.26.149.183]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 937 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 18:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6BB41E42-095F-4ED7-BA9B-509D2D7288B2@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:38:00 +0200 References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 20:38:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be70115154451560218263 Some lucky soul got this gem for a mere GBP 122.00 ! That's almost less than what I paid for my 50/1.4 two years ago. No fair... :-) D. On 09 May 2010, at 3:21 PM, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: > Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I > would be > surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. > > Unfortunately only for UK residents. > > Regards, Frank -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 20:52:37 2010 Received: (qmail 19800 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 18:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 18:52:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B287EE18092 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A905E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8197A34AC028 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581E134AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl06.gs02.gridserver.com (cl06.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:56905 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl06.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OBBc3-0000W0-Fx for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 09 May 2010 11:52:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 14:52:32 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) Thread-Index: AcrvqMfaBknsSlucEd+CCgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 20:52:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be70475216181950411718 Dawid, I like the leaf in the chain link fence, the tonality if beautiful. I've used some of this in 120 size but quit because it curled so bad. I haven't tried it in 35mm though. I've used the 400 Foma film in 35mm but didn't like it as much as Tri-X and Tmax 400. Here in the USA Freestyle sells Tri-X rebranded as Arista Premium 400 and Plus-X as Arista Premium 100 For about $2 a roll (35mm only), same as they charge for Foma. I've used a lot of the rebranded Tri-X, the price can't be beat. -- = Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/9/10 2:35 PM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > Yo fellow Zuikoholics, > = > As promised, I printed some of the images I shot and developed on my > Friday morning > pre-work outing with my first roll of Fomapan 100 Classic film. I > loaded up an > OM-1, took my three favourite f/2 Zuikos (slow film, early morning..), > and went for > a walk next to the lake on the way to work. > = > My first reaction is "Not bad. Not bad at all...". In summary, it's > very old-school, > punchy, with slightly less grain, as well as less highlight range, > than FP4. Mid-tones > seem very well separated though, and the prints look great, without a > lot of darkroom > effort required. The negatives were very "dense" though, and required > about 2x longer > enlarging times than what I'm used to with FP4. But this was my first > roll, so > developing times can be adjusted in fitire. > = > I exposed it at ISO64, and developed it in D76 1+1 (9min30s @ 20=BAC). > This was all-in-all > one of my better rolls in a while, many what I would call "keepers". I > only > had time to print 4 so far, and this chronologically, so it's not the > best ones on the > roll, but it might be enough to inspire somebody looking for a really > cheap, pleasant > B&W film? (Fomapan costs almost half of what the better Ilford films > cost). > = > Opening Magnolia > http://snipurl.com/w3six > (90mm at f/2.0, hand-held) > = > Step-by-step flying instructions > http://snipurl.com/w3sjm > (250mm at f/2.0, hand-held) > = > Opposing Elements > http://snipurl.com/w3sjx > (250mm at f/2.0, hand-held) > [What better way to test mid-tone rendering than a grey > feather on a grey lake? I love how Fomapan handled it] > = > Caught in a chain-link fence > http://snipurl.com/w3sky > (90mm at f/2.0, hand-held) > = > All of these were printed on 8x10in Ilford MG IV paper via a > diffusion-light-source enlarger (so a condenser would have even > stronger grain) with a Schneider W.A. Componon 80mm f/5.6, all > at f/8. > = > Bottom-line? It ain't no Pan F, and FP4 only has a tad more grain, but > I do prefer other aspects of FP4 (like the softer highlight rendering) > more. > So I don't think I'll become an enthusiastic Fomapan shooter, unless > I'm on a > tight budget. > = > Fomapan has absolutely no curl after drying, though, and was a > pleasure to > work with. I have read on online forums complaints, but those same > people > also noted that the film had turned their developer blue, so it must > have been > an earlier generation of this film. > = > Next up? A serious re-look at Delta 100... > = > regards, > Dawid -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 21:08:11 2010 Received: (qmail 26370 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 19:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 19:08:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E674AE180AA for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2999EE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EFD34AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB434AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so984581fge.8 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 12:08:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.184.75 with SMTP id x11mr280720hbg.131.1273432083268; Sun, 09 May 2010 12:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 12:08:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:08:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 21:08:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7081b229351946193717 Hello Nathan, since you have a Panasonic body, I'ld go for the 7-14. The only disadvantage is that it does not use filters. It is faster and only a bit bigger (the 9-18 uncollapsed is probably about the same size), and apparently well corrected on Panasonic. I'm underwhelmed by the optical quality of the M.Zuiko's to say the least (from what I see in the tests). All the best, Iwert 2010/5/9 Nathan Wajsman : > During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. > > However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. > > So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. > > TIA, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:05:56 2010 Received: (qmail 27814 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:05:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B65E180AB for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC221E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1D634AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3CA34AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so2620622qyk.8 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.10 with SMTP id q10mr2374288qcl.36.1273435548558; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.45.69 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> References: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:05:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:05:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be715a488776107113666 Dawid, Thanks for the post. I really like the feather on the water, and agree about the great mid-tone separation. The base of the feather looks a bit soft to me, but maybe that was what you were going for. You don't mention what shutter speed you used, but I can imagine it was on the slower slide due to the morning light and iso 64. Fantastic results for hand held in my book, and a very nice shot by all accounts. I've read elsewhere that 35mm Fomapan is one of the flattest drying films around, while the 120 version is the curliest. Also echoing Chris, the general consensus seems to be that Foma 100 is a kinder, gentler animal than Foma 400. Your results do tempt me, but I'm going to pass on trying it for now. I want to make sure, as much as my small budget can, that Ilford and Kodak keep making b&w films, so that is where my money is going. Looking forward to seeing the results from the rest of the roll. Paul C. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:29:38 2010 Received: (qmail 23304 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BE6E180AB for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB6EE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CF1E4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DEAE47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8248 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 20:29:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 20:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE71B27.8020705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:29:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9CE78D3E-906C-46B7-B293-3D3865DF44BB@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100509-0, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:29:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be71b32323536789618724 And I seriously doubt that what is on there will be removed by ultrasonic shaking. Perhaps those with integrated dust removal systems aren't used to critically testing their sensors at very small apertures. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Taken in the spirit it's intended, but I was actually trying to show that > there's no particular dust problem with the 5D. > > All my sensors show that much dirt in that kind of test, and virtually none > in practical use! And that particular one has had a lot of such use. > > Tom > > On 9 May 2010 17:54, Chris Barker wrote: > >> This looks like a good way to dissuade someone from buying a camera without >> an integral sensor cleaning system ... :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 9 May 2010, at 17:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> Not too bad. I'd guess that what's visible there at f/16 would not be >>> visible at f/11. I have a great deal of difficulty getting the 5D >>> sensor squeaky clean at f/16 or higher without resorting to cleaning >>> solutions so I generally don't bother. I just use a brush. Diffraction >>> starts to intrude beyond f/11 so if it looks good at f/11 that's usually >>> good enough for me. I just avoid f/16. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:37:20 2010 Received: (qmail 18637 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:37:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA74FE18098 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74DEE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B58E47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320A8E47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so82281wwb.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.15 with SMTP id m15mr2852491wbs.170.1273437432686; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x6sm15337659gvf.27.2010.05.09.13.37.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 May 2010 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE71B27.8020705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:37:10 +0100 Message-Id: <0A0295A7-284B-4799-92C5-79349ADEA250@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE6E6FE.4080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9CE78D3E-906C-46B7-B293-3D3865DF44BB@threeshoes.net> <4BE71B27.8020705@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Fwd: Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:37:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be71d00134311946193717 I think that the idea is that the shaking prevents a deposit remaining for long enough to stick, as it were. I should think that it would be a waste of time to shake a sensor that has had dust for a while. As you suggest, Chuck, I'm no expert, but the words that you were using were discouraging to someone like me. It's all about perceptions, isn't it? But since you mention it, I have just submitted a photo to an image library; before I did, I checked the file at having increased it in size by some 200% and it seemed to be OK. Chris On 9 May 2010, at 21:29, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > And I seriously doubt that what is on there will be removed by > ultrasonic shaking. Perhaps those with integrated dust removal systems > aren't used to critically testing their sensors at very small apertures. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:46:20 2010 Received: (qmail 29427 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36690E180B3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1708BE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E9934AC028 for ; 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Sun, 09 May 2010 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm15431291gvf.2.2010.05.09.13.49.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 May 2010 13:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:49:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:50:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be71ffe219151073733319 I've just had a quick look at the dpreview test (http://bit.ly/b3g6IN) and it doesn't look that bad, to my relatively uncritical eye. But since the Panny 7-14 looks only slightly larger I should be tempted by that, especially if money were no object. Chris On 9 May 2010, at 20:08, zuiko wrote: > since you have a Panasonic body, I'ld go for the 7-14. The only > disadvantage is that it does not use filters. > It is faster and only a bit bigger (the 9-18 uncollapsed is probably > about the same size), and apparently well corrected on Panasonic. I'm > underwhelmed by the optical quality of the M.Zuiko's to say the least > (from what I see in the tests). > > All the best, > > Iwert > > 2010/5/9 Nathan Wajsman >> During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. >> >> However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. >> >> So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:52:58 2010 Received: (qmail 10274 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427FFE1809C for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF76E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA5034AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092A534AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f173.google.com (mail-pz0-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so1381627pzk.26 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.19 with SMTP id r19mr1914981rvi.255.1273438370707; Sun, 09 May 2010 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:52:50 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:52:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be720aa174291560218263 Based on responses on and off list I'm withdrawing this offer. The 5D will go to Ffordes, where they will clean the sensor if they think it's necessary and sell it for about =A3750 with the stock screen, no zuiko adaptor and without the =A3100 of extra batteries. Sorry I wasn't able to = do anybody a favour, but I'm glad two zuikos found the homes they deserved. Tom On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for > themselves? > > A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny scratches > on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at t= he > lower left rear corner. > Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, battery, > cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwork. > > Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but standard > screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. > > Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for this > list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. > > Go on - find out for yourself...! > > =A3650 to you lot. > > Tom > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 22:57:53 2010 Received: (qmail 642 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 20:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 20:57:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D6BE180B3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7BBE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED9EE47223 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C24E47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21639 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 20:57:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 20:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE721C8.5090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:57:44 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100509-0, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 22:57:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be721d1255247801554290 Given the problems with the 17/2.8 I wonder if Olympus hasn't become too enthralled with using software correction to paper over more cheaply made lenses. All that pixel pushing costs something in the end. Chuck Norcutt zuiko wrote: > Hello Nathan, > > since you have a Panasonic body, I'ld go for the 7-14. The only > disadvantage is that it does not use filters. It is faster and only a > bit bigger (the 9-18 uncollapsed is probably about the same size), > and apparently well corrected on Panasonic. I'm underwhelmed by the > optical quality of the M.Zuiko's to say the least (from what I see in > the tests). > > All the best, > > Iwert > > 2010/5/9 Nathan Wajsman : >> During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of >> exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my >> Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I >> got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I >> need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping >> with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. >> >> However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a >> distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in >> corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high >> chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay >> for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better >> performing. >> >> So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, >> I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, >> in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it >> is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is >> of no consequence. >> >> TIA, Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: >> http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 23:16:50 2010 Received: (qmail 24817 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 21:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 21:16:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98F7E180A7 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77084E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66364E47223 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F412AE47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31115 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 21:16:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 21:16:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100509-0, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 23:16:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7264278244877110844 I hope that none of my comments about the sensor dust caused anyone to = be turned off from what I had clearly stated I thought to be a good = deal. The sensor had some dust but it was inconsequential for shooting = at f/11 or wider and probably for most normal photography at f/16 or = even f/22 where it would likely not be noticed. Chris's statement about checking his image at 200% for dust before = sending it off only told me that he may not know how to critically = evaluate the sensor for dust. His shot may look just fine yet still = show the amount of dust shown on the 5D shot when critically tested = against an out of focus image of a clear blue sky at small apertures. Once again, for anybody who wanted a 5D that was a good deal. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Based on responses on and off list I'm withdrawing this offer. > = > The 5D will go to Ffordes, where they will clean the sensor if they think > it's necessary and sell it for about =A3750 with the stock screen, no zui= ko > adaptor and without the =A3100 of extra batteries. Sorry I wasn't able t= o do > anybody a favour, but I'm glad two zuikos found the homes they deserved. > = > Tom > = > On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > = >> Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for >> themselves? >> >> A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny scratch= es >> on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at = the >> lower left rear corner. >> Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, battery, >> cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwork. >> >> Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but standa= rd >> screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. >> >> Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for this >> list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. >> >> Go on - find out for yourself...! >> >> =A3650 to you lot. >> >> Tom >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 9 23:19:35 2010 Received: (qmail 11666 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 21:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 21:19:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F4DE180A7 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B80BE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C730234AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6009934AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32183 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2010 21:19:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 21:19:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE726DD.4090904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 17:19:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE71F10.6000609@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4BE71F10.6000609@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100509-0, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Week 18 - Few fotos for fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 9 23:19:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be726e7293431234514069 Pretty cool! "Web of Deceit" looks a bit like a meteor shower. :-) Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Hi, > > been very busy but I did get a chance to play with the new OM macro > extension tube and 80/4 on the canyon > > week 18 > > > here are the previous two weeks > > week 17 with canyon and OM 180/2 > > > and week 16 with canyon and OM macro extension tube and 80/4 > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 00:30:34 2010 Received: (qmail 5928 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 22:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 22:30:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2EE180AB for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC319E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA5234AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D888234AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1599 invoked by uid 502); 9 May 2010 22:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 22:29:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE73765.4030103@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:29:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols> <2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> In-Reply-To: <2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 00:30:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7378a166287801554290 On 5/8/2010 6:13 PM, John Hudson wrote: > The wise and the prudent build on high ground. We're at 950' or so, according to Google Earth, so I don't think even complete melting of the ice will make us quite beachfront. Head Above Water Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 00:53:13 2010 Received: (qmail 26218 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 22:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 22:53:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295B4E180A4 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73E7E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54A8E4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ADEE47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2600CJKCXEK3D0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 09 May 2010 19:53:38 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsgEALDZ5ktMC2o8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYUujoOhQcEhm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,358,1270436400"; d="scan'208";a="206586497" Received: from blk-11-106-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.60]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 09 May 2010 19:53:05 -0300 Message-id: <904897B95D6B4274852C8A6CFC7FDCF8@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 19:53:05 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7089 Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 00:53:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be73cd958127801554290 Film camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro Digital camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro Any opinions on the quality of the images produced by these lenses one to the other? Come push and shove, which lens would produce the superior image of the same size ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Wijsmuller" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 > Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I would be > surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. > > Unfortunately only for UK residents. > > Regards, Frank > > > > 2010/5/9 zuiko > >> My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and >> offers very good image quality. >> (and built to last!) >> >> They have become cheaper lately... >> >> Iwert >> >> >> 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : >> > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's >> > ebay mint++,no box :-)). >> > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is >> > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? >> > Andrew Fildes >> > afildes@people.net.au >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5099 (20100509) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5099 (20100509) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 01:23:35 2010 Received: (qmail 14990 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 23:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 23:23:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3335FE1809B for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8EEE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8813DE47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1877E47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o49NNNfc013713 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 23:23:26 GMT Message-ID: <8E7B054606474DA1A69C4FBB40F98E39@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols><2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> <4BE73765.4030103@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:23:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 01:23:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be743f7140181357919056 Hi Moose, We're at 1082' at the local airport, so we are not that different from your elevation. My wife just had a Mother's Day visit from one of our sons, and he said that his son from Nashville came home with his wife and baby to do laundry and get showers. Nashville still has half of their water supply disabled by the flooding, and has asked residents to cut back to half their usual water usage. Sunshine is nice, but it doesn't help the underlying problems of the flooding. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > On 5/8/2010 6:13 PM, John Hudson wrote: >> The wise and the prudent build on high ground. > > We're at 950' or so, according to Google Earth, so I don't think even > complete melting of the ice will make us quite beachfront. > > Head Above Water Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 01:51:36 2010 Received: (qmail 31487 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 23:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 23:51:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123D5E18090 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FBEE240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBEFE47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AC0E47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:51:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20328 invoked by uid 502); 9 May 2010 23:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2010 23:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE74A7D.30605@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:51:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols><2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> <4BE73765.4030103@gmail.com> <8E7B054606474DA1A69C4FBB40F98E39@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <8E7B054606474DA1A69C4FBB40F98E39@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 01:51:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be74a87211656107113666 On 5/9/2010 4:23 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Moose, > > We're at 1082' at the local airport, so we are not that different from your > elevation. > Except I can see sea level down the hill. :-) Local airports are just barely above sea level. Elevated Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 01:56:46 2010 Received: (qmail 2817 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2010 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2010 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F22CE18090 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65663E240D3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC93E4B23B for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC93E4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o49NuiO0010115 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 23:56:47 GMT Message-ID: <957B4F215A3A4410812CB65E1A35202D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <33B2D2C50095480C937E2A402914F7BF@hudson> <1EB33F1F5CB84D7591ECD3F47C796D77@jimnichols><2EDD0ABE498A4A0B8A378588243221F7@hudson> <4BE73765.4030103@gmail.com><8E7B054606474DA1A69C4FBB40F98E39@jimnichols> <4BE74A7D.30605@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:56:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 01:56:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be74bbe53385368819438 Must be nice! That places you at about pattern altitude for most airports, 800 to 1000 feet. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Rhododendron Time > On 5/9/2010 4:23 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hi Moose, >> >> We're at 1082' at the local airport, so we are not that different from >> your >> elevation. >> > > Except I can see sea level down the hill. :-) > > Local airports are just barely above sea level. > > Elevated Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 05:37:34 2010 Received: (qmail 19027 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 03:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 03:37:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7CFE180A8 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCECAE24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6334AC028 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBED34AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so58624gwb.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.171.83 with SMTP id g19mr1185530ibz.61.1273462645697; Sun, 09 May 2010 20:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:37:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 629e0833504755e4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Panasonic L1 detail shot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 05:37:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be77f7e282696107113666 I just posted a photograph on www.zone-10.com that illustrates a bit of what I'm seeing with the L1 with 14-50. Overall, I'm extremely pleased with this camera and am finding it a pleasure to use in ways that no other commonly available digital camera seems to allow. BTW, this photograph was taken far far away from the optimum aperture and focal-length and is shot almost directly towards the sun. Within the article is a photograph of my lighting setup. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 07:19:56 2010 Received: (qmail 10613 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5727EE180A3 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833D3E24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787D1E47214 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0487AE47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so225945wwb.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.85 with SMTP id f21mr3295771wbs.115.1273468787922; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm16507696gve.4.2010.05.09.22.19.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 May 2010 22:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 06:19:45 +0100 Message-Id: <78323BAD-8F7F-4529-AD86-D5BC832A2CB5@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 07:19:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7977c3761744846740 I shouldn't have thought so, Chuck. It looked like a very good deal, but it's a different system for someone like me. I will have a look at my 3 interchangeable-lens cameras in the way you suggest; I have always recognised that the SWF is a way of mitigating sensor dust and is unlikely to eliminate it completely. Chris On 9 May 2010, at 22:16, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I hope that none of my comments about the sensor dust caused anyone to > be turned off from what I had clearly stated I thought to be a good > deal. The sensor had some dust but it was inconsequential for shooting > at f/11 or wider and probably for most normal photography at f/16 or > even f/22 where it would likely not be noticed. > > Chris's statement about checking his image at 200% for dust before > sending it off only told me that he may not know how to critically > evaluate the sensor for dust. His shot may look just fine yet still > show the amount of dust shown on the 5D shot when critically tested > against an out of focus image of a clear blue sky at small apertures. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 07:23:51 2010 Received: (qmail 20248 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 05:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:23:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED404E18095 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990F7E24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726C634AC028 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCF834AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2331010fxm.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:23:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.1 with SMTP id 1mr322331hbx.190.1273469023669; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:23:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <904897B95D6B4274852C8A6CFC7FDCF8@hudson> References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> <904897B95D6B4274852C8A6CFC7FDCF8@hudson> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:23:43 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 07:23:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be79867213669730998309 To be short: wide open on E-system, the D-Zuiko wins. From f4 on I rather like my OM. OM is heavier but more compact. On an OM body or 5D, the OM wins :). For macro the D.Zuiko is a fantastic lens on the E-system, The "extra" DOF is very welcome. For portraits it is very good as well, and it combines nicely with the 1.4 TC. I know the 50f2 OM felt neglected once I had the D.Zuiko. Now it is the other way round :) Iwert 2010/5/10 John Hudson : > Film camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro > > Digital camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro > > Any opinions on the quality of the images produced by these lenses one to > the other? > > Come push and shove, which lens would produce the superior image of the same > size ? > > jh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Wijsmuller" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 > > >> Oh boy 190393689180, as I write this less then two hours to go. I would be >> surprised if it went for more then 250 pounds. >> >> Unfortunately only for UK residents. >> >> Regards, Frank >> >> >> >> 2010/5/9 zuiko >> >>> My most used lens. Big but no hood required, focusses very close and >>> offers very good image quality. >>> (and built to last!) >>> >>> They have become cheaper lately... >>> >>> Iwert >>> >>> >>> 2010/5/9 Andrew Fildes : >>> > B&H New York has an OM 50mm f2 macro for $399 - condition 9 (that's >>> > ebay mint++,no box :-)). >>> > Given that a condition 9 21mm f3.5 is $439 and a 28/2 ondition 8+ is >>> > $349, that seems like a good price for a rather special lens? >>> > Andrew Fildes >>> > afildes@people.net.au >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5099 (20100509) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5099 (20100509) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 07:26:39 2010 Received: (qmail 6419 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 05:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:26:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA755E1808B for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3B8E24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE9EE4B226 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCD0E47213 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so227203wwb.20 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.77 with SMTP id d55mr2069277wef.17.1273469105322; Sun, 09 May 2010 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm16451803gve.20.2010.05.09.22.25.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 May 2010 22:25:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 06:25:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE71F10.6000609@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE71F10.6000609@picturepedia.org> Message-Id: <14EA1FB8-EBC5-479D-B250-77AD3D65A939@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Week 18 - Few fotos for fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 07:26:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7990f17955683411216 Those are very cool shots, Ian. The toy car is particularly attractively composed and coloured. Chris On 9 May 2010, at 21:46, SwissPace wrote: > been very busy but I did get a chance to play with the new OM macro > extension tube and 80/4 on the canyon > > week 18 > > > here are the previous two weeks > > week 17 with canyon and OM 180/2 > > > and week 16 with canyon and OM macro extension tube and 80/4 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 07:55:17 2010 Received: (qmail 25250 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 05:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:55:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E8E180A9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F4BE24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8827034AC028 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2B34AC027 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12873 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 05:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 05:55:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:55:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 07:55:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be79fc5303641234514069 It is when I see language like this that I become worried. QUOTE: The M Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mmm F4-5.6, perhaps unsurprisingly, has broadly similar optical characteristics to its Four Thirds cousin, which is no bad thing. However there is some penalty for the compact design: the extreme corners are a little soft, especially at the wide end, and chromatic aberration is noticeably increased. Compared to the highly-regarded Panasonic Lumix-G 7-14mm F4, the Olympus also holds up pretty well; in general it's at least as sharp in the center of the frame, but softer in the corners, and at 14mm it's sharper right across the frame. On Panasonic (but not Olympus) cameras the 7-14mm benefits from correction of lateral chromatic aberration; however when tested on the E-P2, it exhibits less objectionable fringing than the 9-18mm anyway. QUOTE END Knowing that sites like dpreview hardly ever directly say that a piece of equipment is bad (they do not want to bite the hand that feeds them, after all), for me this is codespeak for the lens being a dog. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 9, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I've just had a quick look at the dpreview test (http://bit.ly/b3g6IN) > and it doesn't look that bad, to my relatively uncritical eye. But since the Panny 7-14 looks only slightly larger I should be tempted by that, especially if money were no object. > > Chris > > > On 9 May 2010, at 20:08, zuiko wrote: > >> since you have a Panasonic body, I'ld go for the 7-14. The only >> disadvantage is that it does not use filters. >> It is faster and only a bit bigger (the 9-18 uncollapsed is probably >> about the same size), and apparently well corrected on Panasonic. I'm >> underwhelmed by the optical quality of the M.Zuiko's to say the least >> (from what I see in the tests). >> >> All the best, >> >> Iwert >> >> 2010/5/9 Nathan Wajsman >>> During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. >>> >>> However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. >>> >>> So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 07:57:10 2010 Received: (qmail 11481 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 05:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:57:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE806E180B6 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A902AE24A9E for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99C434AC026 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:56:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B29434AC025 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:56:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp04.register.it [81.88.48.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 22:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22468 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 05:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.43.246.107) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 05:56:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:56:13 +0200 Message-Id: <8A9A2257-855D-48A9-9767-67F3E6993549@frozenlight.eu> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 07:57:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7a03638101357919056 Thanks Iwert. The filter issue is a non-issue for me, as I never use filters anyway. I do find the 9-18 range more useful than 7-14 but optical quality is more important. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 9, 2010, at 9:08 PM, zuiko wrote: > Hello Nathan, > > since you have a Panasonic body, I'ld go for the 7-14. The only > disadvantage is that it does not use filters. > It is faster and only a bit bigger (the 9-18 uncollapsed is probably > about the same size), and apparently well corrected on Panasonic. I'm > underwhelmed by the optical quality of the M.Zuiko's to say the least > (from what I see in the tests). > > All the best, > > Iwert > > 2010/5/9 Nathan Wajsman : >> During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. >> >> However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. >> >> So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. >> >> TIA, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 09:47:35 2010 Received: (qmail 15124 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 07:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 07:47:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB23E1808B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8377AE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FC734AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEBD34AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so244913pvg.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr2335174rvm.281.1273477645574; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:47:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 09:47:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7ba17274972013633067 Chuck (and Chris), No, I didn't mean you guys. I was just trying to offer a bargain to someone who wanted such. For some reason, perhaps because it's a Canon, I received the sort of barrage of questions, queries, low offers etc that I normally expect on eBay, and which generally leads me to sell everything through Ffordes unless it's something I picked up as a bargain here or at RFF in which case I try to pass it on in the same way. Probably serves me right for mainly lurking and trading rather than chatting on list! No harm done anyway. Tom On 9 May 2010 22:16, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I hope that none of my comments about the sensor dust caused anyone to > be turned off from what I had clearly stated I thought to be a good > deal. The sensor had some dust but it was inconsequential for shooting > at f/11 or wider and probably for most normal photography at f/16 or > even f/22 where it would likely not be noticed. > > Chris's statement about checking his image at 200% for dust before > sending it off only told me that he may not know how to critically > evaluate the sensor for dust. His shot may look just fine yet still > show the amount of dust shown on the 5D shot when critically tested > against an out of focus image of a clear blue sky at small apertures. > > Once again, for anybody who wanted a 5D that was a good deal. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Based on responses on and off list I'm withdrawing this offer. > > > > The 5D will go to Ffordes, where they will clean the sensor if they thi= nk > > it's necessary and sell it for about =A3750 with the stock screen, no z= uiko > > adaptor and without the =A3100 of extra batteries. Sorry I wasn't able= to > do > > anybody a favour, but I'm glad two zuikos found the homes they deserved. > > > > Tom > > > > On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > > >> Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for > >> themselves? > >> > >> A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny > scratches > >> on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at > the > >> lower left rear corner. > >> Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, > battery, > >> cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwor= k. > >> > >> Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but > standard > >> screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. > >> > >> Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for > this > >> list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. > >> > >> Go on - find out for yourself...! > >> > >> =A3650 to you lot. > >> > >> Tom > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:13:28 2010 Received: (qmail 25269 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B3CE180A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8867CE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2033610003 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B03610002 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2419286fxm.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.1 with SMTP id 1mr337591hbx.190.1273479200688; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:13:20 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:13:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c028194681076813867 And offering a nice postal service to us over the canal, and showing good work :) Iwert 2010/5/10 Tom Fenwick : > Chuck (and Chris), > > Probably serves me right for mainly lurking and trading rather than chatting > on list! > > No harm done anyway. > > Tom > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:25:45 2010 Received: (qmail 27347 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:25:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218D8E180B5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5F6E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4074CE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCFFE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so256030pvg.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr2311145rvq.258.1273479937512; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE72637.8090604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Darkside anyone? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:25:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c3095912439112457 Thank you, sir. :-) On 10 May 2010 09:13, zuiko wrote: > And offering a nice postal service to us over the canal, and showing > good work :) > > Iwert > > 2010/5/10 Tom Fenwick : > > Chuck (and Chris), > > > > Probably serves me right for mainly lurking and trading rather than > chatting > > on list! > > > > No harm done anyway. > > > > Tom > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:31:27 2010 Received: (qmail 30807 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:31:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6FAE180C5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57585E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E4C3610001 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E33B34AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:31:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 44 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1D100338-4627-42A2-81A4-CB860AE9A706@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:31:16 +0200 References: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:31:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c45f213967801554290 On 09 May 2010, at 10:05 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > Dawid, > > Thanks for the post. I really like the feather on the water, and > agree > about the great mid-tone separation. The base of the feather looks > a bit > soft to me, but maybe that was what you were going for. You don't > mention > what shutter speed you used, but I can imagine it was on the slower > slide > due to the morning light and iso 64. Fantastic results for hand > held in my > book, and a very nice shot by all accounts. Hi Paul, The softness at the base of the feather is purely because of the minute depth of field shooting at 250mm at f/2, shutter speed was 1/500s, and the top of the feather is very sharp indeed (can see individual filaments in the print). I wanted to produce a slightly surrealistic image, both blurring and over-exposing the base of the feather, which I felt highlights the gentle concentric cirle(s) around there the feather touches the water. regards, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:37:04 2010 Received: (qmail 12855 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:37:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EDBE1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602BDE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5931034AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A2534AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:36:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 86 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <91C4E62F-93DF-4233-BDE5-B43274B06D77@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:36:54 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:37:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c5b041101220213263 On 09 May 2010, at 8:52 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Dawid, > > I like the leaf in the chain link fence, the tonality if beautiful. > I've > used some of this in 120 size but quit because it curled so bad. I > haven't > tried it in 35mm though. I've used the 400 Foma film in 35mm but > didn't like > it as much as Tri-X and Tmax 400. Here in the USA Freestyle sells > Tri-X > rebranded as Arista Premium 400 and Plus-X as Arista Premium 100 For > about > $2 a roll (35mm only), same as they charge for Foma. I've used a lot > of the > rebranded Tri-X, the price can't be beat. Thank you Chris! It's also my favourite of this lot. I have also not heard great things about Fomapan 200 and 400, which is why I gave the 100 a try. I'll get to printing some of the rest of the images next weekend, and after about 10 or so images, I am sure I will be able to draw a proper conclusion as to whether I want to give a couple of further rolls a try. Either way, the thing that always strikes me is how pleasurable it is to go out for a morning walk with a small OM body and a couple of nice lenses (I did leave the 250mm in the car most of the time, it's not exactly "walk-around"). The simple pleasures in life... D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:42:42 2010 Received: (qmail 25657 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:42:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A6BE1808E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695FCE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF43E4B23C for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DBAE4B23F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4A8gWde008574 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:42:32 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:42:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:42:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c7025261220213263 I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me off (a little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. Instead of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their samples: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" > It is when I see language like this that I become worried. > > QUOTE: > The M Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mmm F4-5.6, perhaps unsurprisingly, has broadly > similar optical characteristics to its Four Thirds cousin, which is no bad > thing. However there is some penalty for the compact design: the extreme > corners are a little soft, especially at the wide end, and chromatic > aberration is noticeably increased. > > Compared to the highly-regarded Panasonic Lumix-G 7-14mm F4, the Olympus > also holds up pretty well; in general it's at least as sharp in the center > of the frame, but softer in the corners, and at 14mm it's sharper right > across the frame. On Panasonic (but not Olympus) cameras the 7-14mm > benefits from correction of lateral chromatic aberration; however when > tested on the E-P2, it exhibits less objectionable fringing than the > 9-18mm anyway. > QUOTE END > > > Knowing that sites like dpreview hardly ever directly say that a piece of > equipment is bad (they do not want to bite the hand that feeds them, after > all), for me this is codespeak for the lens being a dog. > > Cheers, > Nathan > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 10:46:00 2010 Received: (qmail 29600 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 08:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:45:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDCEE1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4015E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D22334AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CFE34AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 01:45:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 898 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:59:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <00B7C5CC-C5E4-4002-95F5-84AEDCD35411@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:45:52 +0200 References: <1998931929.8432111273372903209.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <09FBBB12-FF66-4C46-8C92-12DD7AFF11CF@people.net.au> <904897B95D6B4274852C8A6CFC7FDCF8@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 10:46:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7c7c8204621220213263 By all accounts, assuming you are happy with a four thirds body, the D.Zuiko 50mm f/2 is one of the best lenses ever tested, it's superlative to say the least. It's optically superior to the OM Zuiko. Remember, a D. Zuiko lens has to resolve twice as well as an equivalent 35mm lens just to render the "same" level of detail. And the D. Zuiko does this indeed. If using four thirds, I'd much rather get the D.Zuiko, even though the OM Zuiko is much better-built, and prettier (IMHO). I wish Olympus' Micro FourThirds (M. Zuiko) lenses had similar optical quality to the FourThirds (D. Zuiko) lenses... Dawid On 10 May 2010, at 7:23 AM, zuiko wrote: > To be short: > > wide open on E-system, the D-Zuiko wins. From f4 on I rather like my > OM. > OM is heavier but more compact. > > On an OM body or 5D, the OM wins :). > > For macro the D.Zuiko is a fantastic lens on the E-system, The "extra" > DOF is very welcome. > For portraits it is very good as well, and it combines nicely with > the 1.4 TC. > > I know the 50f2 OM felt neglected once I had the D.Zuiko. Now it is > the other way round :) > > Iwert > > 2010/5/10 John Hudson : >> Film camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro >> >> Digital camera Olympus 50mm / f2 macro >> >> Any opinions on the quality of the images produced by these lenses >> one to >> the other? >> >> Come push and shove, which lens would produce the superior image of >> the same >> size ? >> >> jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 11:05:59 2010 Received: (qmail 20711 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 09:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 09:05:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17E8E180B2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F6CE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521BAE47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FAAE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:53638 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OBOvu-0003HR-7B for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:52 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 05:05:53 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) Thread-Index: AcrwH/4GPN7F9lwTEd+XMgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <91C4E62F-93DF-4233-BDE5-B43274B06D77@solms.co.za> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 11:05:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7cc77173721234514069 You're welcome. I like the feather pic too, but the leaf one was definitely my fav. The 400 Foma film isn't horrible, I just like Kodak's 400 films better. I don't have any of my photos with the Foma 400 online but I just remembered some that my ex-girlfriend Catrina has on her website that she used it for. We bought it for a while to save $$ when we were together and dirt poor. She got better results with it than I did! http://catrinakleven.com/portfolio/street/photopages/3rf08-1.htm http://catrinakleven.com/portfolio/street/photopages/3rf08-2.htm http://catrinakleven.com/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/till-door.htm http://catrinakleven.com/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/rosebud.htm Those were all with Fomapan 400 developed in D-76 1+1 at EI-320. She used an Olympus OM-4T and 50mm f1.4 Zuiko for all of them if I remember right (was a couple yrs ago!) -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/10/10 4:36 AM, "Dawid Loubser" wrote: > On 09 May 2010, at 8:52 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> Dawid, >> >> I like the leaf in the chain link fence, the tonality if beautiful. >> I've >> used some of this in 120 size but quit because it curled so bad. I >> haven't >> tried it in 35mm though. I've used the 400 Foma film in 35mm but >> didn't like >> it as much as Tri-X and Tmax 400. Here in the USA Freestyle sells >> Tri-X >> rebranded as Arista Premium 400 and Plus-X as Arista Premium 100 For >> about >> $2 a roll (35mm only), same as they charge for Foma. I've used a lot >> of the >> rebranded Tri-X, the price can't be beat. > > > Thank you Chris! It's also my favourite of this lot. I have also not > heard great > things about Fomapan 200 and 400, which is why I gave the 100 a try. > > I'll get to printing some of the rest of the images next weekend, and > after > about 10 or so images, I am sure I will be able to draw a proper > conclusion > as to whether I want to give a couple of further rolls a try. > > Either way, the thing that always strikes me is how pleasurable it is > to go > out for a morning walk with a small OM body and a couple of nice > lenses (I > did leave the 250mm in the car most of the time, it's not exactly > "walk-around"). The simple pleasures in life... > > D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 12:17:38 2010 Received: (qmail 19031 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 10:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 10:17:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9EAE180AD for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 03:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3406E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 03:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F022934AC025 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 03:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1482134AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 03:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 03:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5881 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 10:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 May 2010 10:17:27 -0000 Message-Id: <5BB2FA02-D668-4147-B0D8-BC5392A257E8@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:27 +1000 References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 12:17:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7dd42220496789618724 To quote DPR - "Of course the biggest decision facing potential buyers is whether to choose this lens ahead of the Panasonic Lumix G 7-14mm F4. Our tests show that optically, there's little between the two, especially for owners of Olympus cameras that don't correct chromatic aberration (although for users of Panasonic bodies, automatic CA correction with the 7-14mm may well be an important factor). Instead the decision can safely be made on other criteria, with the Olympus winning on portability, the ability to use filters, and price." Consequently, I just ordered the mZ 9-18mm. (If I want to go really wide, I have a Sigma 12-24 for my 5D2!) I can deal with CA in Lightroom as I do with the 25mm which suffers from it badly - I always assume that any ultrawide will have this problem to some extent. At the same time I bought a 40-150mm with MFT-2 adapter from B&H for $190, because that's the price of the adapter alone here and the combo is still smaller and much cheaper than the Panny equivalent I think. Close enough for size anywho, and more flexible. Also consequently, I have a regular 9-18mm available if anyone is interested....boxed, as it came. It needs to make about AU$500 so if you're in the US, get it from Amazon or B&H instead! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/05/2010, at 6:49 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I've just had a quick look at the dpreview test (http://bit.ly/b3g6IN) > and it doesn't look that bad, to my relatively uncritical eye. But > since the Panny 7-14 looks only slightly larger I should be tempted > by that, especially if money were no object. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 14:00:34 2010 Received: (qmail 13533 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 12:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 12:00:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A44E1809F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481E9E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0822F34AC029 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310C34AC028 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.218.179]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2700ET2DCLPUSH@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:00:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE7F557.8030402@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:00:23 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC95C89B435BE1-6D0-C123@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com> <4BE40E48.6090406@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] 2 series screen quick question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 14:00:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7f562256382517112723 You can buy intenscreens through B & H. Beattie cut me off long ago as a dealer, seems I didn't buy "enough" from them. Now I buy "zero". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Rick Beckrich wrote: > Maybe John has access to some Beattie screens? > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:57 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> Sorry, I don't have any. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Angel Lobo wrote: >>> Please, some 2 series screen (4 or 13) NEW for sale ? >>> >>> Angel Lobo. >>> >>> 2010/3/19 >>> >>>> According to John, the correction for use in manual depends on focal >>>> length. Even if the meter is adjusted to read correctly for a >>>> 2-series on a 1N or OM-2N for a 50mm, by 100mm there is a 1/4 stop >>>> overexposure indication and 2/3 of a stop on a Z 180/2.8. >>>> I believe there are errors on the short end too. OTF metering is >>>> unaffected AFAIK. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So I know that the meter in an OM-1 and OM-2 will read 2/3 stop over >>>> correct exposure when a 2 series screen is installed (ie will >>>> underexpose by 2/3 a stop); and that the OM-2 measures all exposures >>>> at speeds slower than 1/45 second OTF in auto mode; my question is, >>>> will an OM-2n with a 2 series screen installed give accurate exposures >>>> at all speeds in auto mode, or will it only give accurate exposures at >>>> shutter speeds slower than 1/45 a second? I have a modified 2-4 >>>> screen that I would like to install in my OM-2n, but if it results in >>>> underexposure at faster speeds, I will put it in my OM-1n instead and >>>> simply compensate the 2/3 a stop by using the ASA dial. >>>> >>>> I happen to like the OM-2n's aperture priority, and don't really want >>>> to have to use it manual mode in bright light. >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 14:42:55 2010 Received: (qmail 32485 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 12:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 12:42:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6DE18094 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AEBE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E527034AC02D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD2834AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so378695vws.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.250.211 with SMTP id mp19mr3187538qcb.42.1273495364750; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.25.71 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 05:42:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1D100338-4627-42A2-81A4-CB860AE9A706@solms.co.za> References: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> <1D100338-4627-42A2-81A4-CB860AE9A706@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:42:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 14:42:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be7ff4f278401413256596 Dawid, Ah yes. Well there's a DoF duh for me. Don't know why that didn't occur to me. Maybe because my fastest OM lenses are f2.8 ;) It's a great learning tool for me to get insight into other photographers artistic process, so thanks for the explanation. Have a great week, and I'll look forward to the prints from the rest of the roll. I really don't know how you find the time. It's all I can do to soup and scan a roll every week or week and a half. More power to you keeping traditional b&w processes alive. Paul C On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > On 09 May 2010, at 10:05 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > The softness at the base of the feather is purely because of the > minute depth of field > shooting at 250mm at f/2, shutter speed was 1/500s, and the top of the > feather is very > sharp indeed (can see individual filaments in the print). > > I wanted to produce a slightly surrealistic image, both blurring and > over-exposing > the base of the feather, which I felt highlights the gentle concentric > cirle(s) around > there the feather touches the water. > > regards, > Dawid > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 14:49:36 2010 Received: (qmail 7919 invoked by uid 0); 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Mon, 10 May 2010 05:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.218.179]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L27001IKFMEQB73@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:49:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE800D8.1030205@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:49:28 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4BE49278.7030801@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 14:49:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be800e0120271073733319 The last 3 Olympus dealer price lists I have (1999, 2000, 2001) show OM-3Ti dealer net @ $1600. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Not only did the seller (and another very recently) get their $2000 > price, the same seller sold one last month for $2275. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I think the people here who can afford it are not stupid enough to spend >> that much, and the rest cannot afford it even if they were foolish enough to >> pay that price. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 14:58:41 2010 Received: (qmail 1905 invoked by uid 0); 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(VPS 100509-1, 05/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Panasonic L1 detail shot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 14:58:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be80301277604877110844 Nice shot. A 4/3 sensor of 7.5MP is diffraction limited at about f/8 but your f/10 shot is plenty sharp enough and who knows where the lens actually performs best? I could use of of them "voice-actuated self-propelled light-stands" but I'm sure it would cost a whole lot more than a week's allowance and an ice cream cone. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I just posted a photograph on www.zone-10.com that illustrates a bit of what > I'm seeing with the L1 with 14-50. > > Overall, I'm extremely pleased with this camera and am finding it a pleasure > to use in ways that no other commonly available digital camera seems to > allow. > > BTW, this photograph was taken far far away from the optimum aperture and > focal-length and is shot almost directly towards the sun. > > Within the article is a photograph of my lighting setup. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:13:29 2010 Received: (qmail 23213 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:13:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F8FE1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C263E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616BAE47229 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1305E47228 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so549798wwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.155.82 with SMTP id r18mr3512377wbw.193.1273500797276; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm17861910gve.4.2010.05.10.07.13.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 07:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:13:13 +0100 Message-Id: <022658AE-F36C-44FB-A58E-353F188A9F5E@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:13:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be81489282149730998309 I'm not sure that I agree with that, Nathan, although you might well have more experience than I. But I'm sure that I have seen serious criticism of equipment on DPR. Chris On 10 May 2010, at 06:55, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Knowing that sites like dpreview hardly ever directly say that a piece of equipment is bad (they do not want to bite the hand that feeds them, after all), for me this is codespeak for the lens being a dog. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:27:40 2010 Received: (qmail 17925 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:27:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF1BE180C9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6976E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9312F34AC037 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95834AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so211426wyb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.143.198 with SMTP id w6mr3884421wbu.34.1273501642319; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm17890127gve.19.2010.05.10.07.27.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 07:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:18 +0100 Message-Id: <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:27:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be817dc180901879814018 Thanks, CH, but the pictures always look fine to me :-) Size is important for me, and I am considering buying the CV 12/5.6, but worry about the size with the adaptor on my GF-1. Chris On 10 May 2010, at 09:42, C.H.Ling wrote: > I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me off (a > little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. Instead > of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their samples: > > http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow > > I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:32:55 2010 Received: (qmail 17397 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:32:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B65E180AA for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E09E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BFB34AC030 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FA534AC02E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so2355297ywh.26 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.147.15 with SMTP id j15mr1843565ibv.91.1273501966986; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE802F8.6090706@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4BE802F8.6090706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:32:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 424523386dd830ef Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Panasonic L1 detail shot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:32:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be81917138896789618724 > > Nice shot. A 4/3 sensor of 7.5MP is diffraction limited at about f/8 > but your f/10 shot is plenty sharp enough and who knows where the lens > actually performs best? I could use of of them "voice-actuated > self-propelled light-stands" but I'm sure it would cost a whole lot more > than a week's allowance and an ice cream cone. :-) > Thanks, Chuck. What I'm seeing with this lens is an almost stark, surgical sharpness at F4-4.5, but the diffraction blurring starts to kick in as a loss of contrast on the pixel-level details. Around F11 this loss of local contrast has sufficiently taken enough edge off the details as to finally start actually showing up as a loss of resolution itself. But even so, when shooting in-camera JPEGs, the loss doesn't really show up to about F16--if that gives you an idea of just how much effect it has. It has been said that the AA filter on the L1 is different (weaker) than the one on the E-330. Although, I cannot confirm or deny that at this time, the L1 has a similar edge-contrast look which would be typically associated with the original Canon 5D. My light-stand cost me $25 plus the ice-cream cone. We negotiated it down to $20, but the shoot lasted longer than expected so I spotted her a $5 bill as a bonus. She worked without complaining and that T45 ain't the lightest light around. In several areas, this Leica lens just whups up on the DZ 14-54 it replaced, but the one thing I will say about the DZ lens is that the contrasting is less clinical and the overall image more organic. I never thought I'd ever suggest that a lens could be too good, but the Leica is flirting with that point and closer than I've ever seen on the Four-Thirds cameras--including the 12-60. I prefer the old OMZ lenses for many artistic reasons, but in some areas they are pretty gut-wrench. This lens is less artistic, but yet possesses a certain snap and subject isolation which betrays the lens design. Just like the GT lens on the Minolta A1, there isn't one "best" aperture, it's more a matter of only having a couple "not the best" apertures. The L1 with 14-50 is a strange beast. It isn't a small or lightweight package, but it handles like it is. The E-1 isn't being replaced, but it is getting some serious competition in the usage department. As I sold the DZ lens, my developing working configuration for the digital cameras is the 14-50 on the L1 and OMZ lenses on the E-1. This way I have manual controls for both cameras. This particular senior photo shoot was discounted (friends and family pricing and my lightstand costs cut into the margin too) so I didn't use any film, but l did use the L1 and OM-3Ti along side each other at the event shoot and the handling balance of the cameras was similar enough to reduce/eliminate the orientation required when switching between cameras. Except, of course, for the backwards aperture ring... We won't talk about the induced hurling when having to switch between viewfinders... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:40:41 2010 Received: (qmail 27223 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:40:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486F0E180B4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7732FE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6938F34AC02B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E48134AC02F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4AEeQO6018723 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:40:27 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6468510B495848FC9AC0D71CC5199467@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:40:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:40:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be81ae9245801136683642 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" > Thanks, CH, but the pictures always look fine to me :-) Isn't it just the result count? If the pictures look ok to you then it should be fine :-) Actually, I found some softness at the corners ..... Ok, I will accept the trade off for small size but the price is just too high for the quality and I really don't like F5.6 lenses. > > Size is important for me, and I am considering buying the CV 12/5.6, but > worry about the size with the adaptor on my GF-1. > CV12 is not cheap and F5.6.... C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:46:02 2010 Received: (qmail 16454 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:46:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFB9E180C9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03010E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB0534AC025 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0319934AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:45:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 333 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:59:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:45:51 +0200 References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:46:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be81c2a35451342116753 The CV 12mm seems to be a terrible lens on digital (severe colour casting issues) because of the steep angle with which the light rays hit the sensor, but magical on a film camera. It won't be un-correctable, but just keep that in mine. For an ultra- wide angle solution, I am sure that any of the lenses that were designed for the system would be better. regards, Dawid On 10 May 2010, at 4:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, CH, but the pictures always look fine to me :-) > > Size is important for me, and I am considering buying the CV 12/5.6, > but worry about the size with the adaptor on my GF-1. > > Chris > > On 10 May 2010, at 09:42, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me >> off (a >> little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. >> Instead >> of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their >> samples: >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow >> >> I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 16:48:07 2010 Received: (qmail 16636 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 14:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:48:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D07E18091 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F675E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A2634AC028 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9BA34AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 41 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6468510B495848FC9AC0D71CC5199467@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:47:56 +0200 References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> <6468510B495848FC9AC0D71CC5199467@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 16:48:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be81ca7103411258626592 On 10 May 2010, at 4:40 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > ...and I really don't like F5.6 lenses. You obviously don't shoot large-format lenses then, where f/5.6 is the order of the day :-) But I agree, on such a small format, there better be a pretty darn good reason for a lens to max out at f/5.6. Admittedly, a 120-degree angle of view is a very good reason for such a limitation, but this is even more reason to not shoot it (the CV 12/5.6) on a quarter-size sensor, but leave it be on 35mm film where it belongs. Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 17:03:02 2010 Received: (qmail 13522 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 15:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 15:03:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4F9E1808B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2544FE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D58E47214 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA7AE47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so244518wyb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.139 with SMTP id r11mr3957560wbt.129.1273503774202; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm18199458gve.0.2010.05.10.08.02.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <6468510B495848FC9AC0D71CC5199467@MAIN> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:02:51 +0100 Message-Id: References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> <6468510B495848FC9AC0D71CC5199467@MAIN> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 17:03:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be82026315672439112457 Yes, I've only just seen the price in the UK: GBP 650 (approx). You are paying for quality, and perhaps that's just a bit over the top for this quality. The CV12 is cheaper than the m.Zuiko, I think. Chris On 10 May 2010, at 15:40, C.H.Ling wrote: > Isn't it just the result count? If the pictures look ok to you then it > should be fine :-) Actually, I found some softness at the corners ..... Ok, > I will accept the trade off for small size but the price is just too high > for the quality and I really don't like F5.6 lenses. > >> >> Size is important for me, and I am considering buying the CV 12/5.6, but >> worry about the size with the adaptor on my GF-1. >> > > CV12 is not cheap and F5.6.... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 17:06:02 2010 Received: (qmail 12150 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 15:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 15:06:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31E2E1808F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9147EE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E38334AC026 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CD334AC027 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:04:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so245592wyb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.135.142 with SMTP id n14mr3960085wbt.90.1273503838268; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9sm17974757gve.29.2010.05.10.08.03.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 08:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:55 +0100 Message-Id: <9561F9D9-563B-46F1-AAC0-7666867887C9@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 17:06:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be820da87844877110844 Thanks, Dawid. I'm going to wait for a small, wide prime in the MFT fit. Chris On 10 May 2010, at 15:45, Dawid Loubser wrote: > The CV 12mm seems to be a terrible lens on digital (severe colour > casting issues) > because of the steep angle with which the light rays hit the sensor, > but magical > on a film camera. > > It won't be un-correctable, but just keep that in mine. For an ultra- > wide angle > solution, I am sure that any of the lenses that were designed for the > system would > be better. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 17:18:49 2010 Received: (qmail 10116 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 15:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 15:18:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A74E18095 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA348E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14F3E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CBEE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so609860wwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.183.198 with SMTP id q48mr2101782wem.146.1273504721571; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm18216793gvb.1.2010.05.10.08.18.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 08:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:18:38 +0100 Message-Id: <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 17:18:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be823d9261351946193717 Adding to what I wrote earlier, I sometimes think that I don't really need a wideangle. I use my GF-1 almost exclusively with my 20/1.7 and just adjust my position to get the framing right (as we always used to do :-)). But if I need to go to 24mm I have my rather useful little LX-3; so I carry both with me. Chris On 10 May 2010, at 09:42, C.H.Ling wrote: > I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me off (a > little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. Instead > of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their samples: > > http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow > > I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 17:28:52 2010 Received: (qmail 20375 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 15:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 15:28:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE91FE1809B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9FFE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26EE47214 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F10E47229 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1847309gya.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.28.10 with SMTP id f10mr176054anj.41.1273505325449; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 17:28:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be82634230261950411718 Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of their flowers around dusk. Just got the film back last night. OM-2n and OMZ 100/2, wide open or close to it, hand held with expired Fuji 800NPZ shot at 640. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4593880273/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4594494474/ This lens is remarkable! I'm awaiting the arrival of a Panasonic GH1 this week, and cannot wait to test out the lens on a m4/3rds body. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 18:03:26 2010 Received: (qmail 1628 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 16:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 16:03:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E242E180B5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C37E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C0534AC030 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BDF361001E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so350046gwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.172.203 with SMTP id m11mr2385695ibz.15.1273507390631; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:03:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41f8673ddeb78c64 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 18:03:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be82e4e127631073733319 Sweeeeet! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 18:28:49 2010 Received: (qmail 23534 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 16:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 16:28:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EB0E180A1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B65E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BB034AC030 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1294E34AC031 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4AGSefV014414 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:28:40 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:28:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 18:28:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8344194244877110844 I have the 24/2 mounted on my 5D II most of the time, mainly to document our daily life, it is great under a tight place like restaurant. I found it can do almost anything a 40mm can do but not the other way round. I got a LX-3 for my young son, even it claimed the high ISO performance is better than previous LX-1 and LX-2 but I still found it is not that great for low light. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" > Adding to what I wrote earlier, I sometimes think that I don't really need > a wideangle. I use my GF-1 almost exclusively with my 20/1.7 and just > adjust my position to get the framing right (as we always used to do :-)). > But if I need to go to 24mm I have my rather useful little LX-3; so I > carry both with me. > > Chris > > On 10 May 2010, at 09:42, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me off (a >> little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. >> Instead >> of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their samples: >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow >> >> I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 18:35:55 2010 Received: (qmail 8702 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBC9E1808D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D36E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F36AE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512CCE4722A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:35:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 316 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0276333E-52AC-46CC-B197-89980B704672@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:35:24 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 18:35:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be835eb55832439112457 One of the true OM gems, Nicholas... I like your images (subdued colours, shallow DOF, very much up my alley...) Do you have access to a darkroom? You should try some fine-grained black and white + analogue prints to really make it sing. And I am sure it will make a splendid 200mm-equiv telephoto on your GH1, although the combination will be a bit lens-heavy :-) Dawid On 10 May 2010, at 5:28 PM, Nicholas Herndon wrote: > Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of > their flowers around dusk. Just got the film back last night. OM-2n > and OMZ 100/2, wide open or close to it, hand held with expired Fuji > 800NPZ shot at 640. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4593880273/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4594494474/ > > This lens is remarkable! I'm awaiting the arrival of a Panasonic GH1 > this week, and cannot wait to test out the lens on a m4/3rds body. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 18:37:30 2010 Received: (qmail 4887 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A0BE18087 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B60BE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B8634AC043 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C1E34AC042 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D104314086 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:36:46 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100510-0, 05/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 18:37:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8364a166611560218263 > > For me the only comprehensible distance scale, circa 1/40000000 the circumference of our planet ... A rather esoteric, arbitrary starting point. Too bad the ivory tower crowd developed what could have been a very useful and logical system. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 19:03:42 2010 Received: (qmail 15343 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 17:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 17:03:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD71AE180AC for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABCBE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37988E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96B8E4722A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so1920235gya.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.79.146 with SMTP id p18mr2798939ibk.28.1273511014009; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:03:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:03:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4d39170cf0014a6a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 19:03:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be83c6e2581357919056 > > I got a LX-3 for my young son, even it claimed the high ISO performance is > better than previous LX-1 and LX-2 but I still found it is not that great > for low light. > A few months ago I attended a wedding in which the second-shooter was actually using an LX-3. What surprised me is that the resulting images that I did get to see were better than the ones shot by the primary shooter with a 50D. BTW, anybody else notice that the Canon G-series has essentially dropped off the face of the planet lately? A shame on one hand as it is a mighty fine camera, but nice on the other hand because we're seeing the value in other cameras which were drowned out by the DPR crowd. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 19:19:55 2010 Received: (qmail 23349 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 17:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 17:19:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19905E180A6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211FBE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBEF361000C for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E023610008 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4AHJlpC024263 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:19:47 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <116A0A1BF9114C41B09BA6246F994FBC@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net><34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:19:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 19:19:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8403b21871612113968 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> I got a LX-3 for my young son, even it claimed the high ISO performance >> is >> better than previous LX-1 and LX-2 but I still found it is not that great >> for low light. >> > > > A few months ago I attended a wedding in which the second-shooter was > actually using an LX-3. What surprised me is that the resulting images > that > I did get to see were better than the ones shot by the primary shooter > with > a 50D. > It didn't say anything, how does it better? Ok, what I can think of is the DOF of LX-3 is much BETTER. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 19:32:44 2010 Received: (qmail 14982 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 17:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 17:32:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBEBE1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5268E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD47E34AC051 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F17834AC04A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so2535882ywh.26 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.79.146 with SMTP id p18mr2834749ibk.28.1273512745438; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 10:32:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <116A0A1BF9114C41B09BA6246F994FBC@MAIN> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <116A0A1BF9114C41B09BA6246F994FBC@MAIN> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:32:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e2c693e021007e21 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 19:32:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8433c297124877110844 > > It didn't say anything, how does it better? Ok, what I can think of is the > DOF of LX-3 is much BETTER. > Sharpness was quite natural, the DoF was greater, of course, which for event shooting is not a bad thing. The lens gave good dimensionality to the people. Skintones and the way it reacted to mixed lighting was very good. The only thing that really jumped out at me as an issue was distortion. Straight lines don't stay very straight. I could tell a low ISO was used, though. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 20:16:03 2010 Received: (qmail 29073 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC5BE18094 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0FE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666B334AC055 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3E534AC056 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30959 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2010 18:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 18:15:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE84D52.9000509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:15:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] ZD F2 zoom reviews on TOP X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 20:16:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be84d63276019752976205 Olympus ZD 14-35mm and 35-100mm f/2 Zoom Lenses -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 21:06:18 2010 Received: (qmail 31391 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 19:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 19:06:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345DFE18098 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FD2E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C0C34AC065 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EEC34AC063 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so2178897yxe.22 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.156.80 with SMTP id v16mr2384108ibw.99.1273518371734; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE84D52.9000509@gmail.com> References: <4BE84D52.9000509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:06:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 72325823f5417d30 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ZD F2 zoom reviews on TOP X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 21:06:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8592a33421220213263 Yeah, nice write-up. Both of those lenses are firmly planted in the "legendary" category. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 22:46:29 2010 Received: (qmail 4486 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 20:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 20:46:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F26E180A2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05515E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F1B34AC067 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B3B34AC066 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6075 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2010 20:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 20:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:14 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 22:46:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be870a5317835034211378 On 5/10/2010 10:03 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > ... > BTW, anybody else notice that the Canon G-series has essentially dropped = off the face of the planet lately? A shame on one hand as it is a mighty fi= ne camera, but nice on the other hand because we're seeing the value in oth= er cameras which were drowned out by the DPR crowd. > = Maybe they've been denied access to Iowa? More seriously, have you thought of leaving the DPR forum silliness = alone? Of course, I speak from very little experience, having turned = away from them long ago. I was simply amazed by the ignorance of even = simple photographic facts displayed there. I saw way too many obvious = mis-attribution of image flaws to camera or lens when they were clearly = operator error or misunderstanding of the laws of optics. There were way = to many folks just nattering on about whatever was newly good or awful, = all too often on the basis of second or third hand information or = incompetent use. (Tell 'em how you really feel, Moose. Do you sorta = sound like one of them here?) I have followed the very occasional link from somewhere else to a = particular post of thread on a topic of interest. I've been generally = disappointed with the post(s). As far as I can see, the denizens there = are a small minority of photographers that include lots of uninformed = and technically untutored yahoos. Nothing wrong with folks bloviating on = line, but that doesn't mean one should listen. Seriously, what is the basis for your statement? Are you judging by = something like sales, or just on how often the name crosses your = consciousness? The G11 is readily available and prices have held steady. = No rebates so far. To which other cameras which were "drowned out" are = you referring? For myself, I don't listen to any of that twaddle. I usually have a = pretty good idea what I'm looking for in my next camera. I follow the = reviews of any cameras that look likely to meet those criteria on DPR, = Digital Camera Resource, The Imaging Resource,Digital Camera Review, = Steve's Digicams and read lots of user reviews on places like B&H and = Amazon, where folks talk more about their actual experiences and less at = each other. I compare standardized studio shots from those review sites with those = of earlier reviews of cameras I have and know well. Studio shots aren't = everything, of course, but they do provide very useful points of = comparison. Certain important IQ characteristics become clear. If they = don't measure up, there's no point is worrying about other, more subtle = things. In my unending quest for the perfect compact camera, I've done pretty = well. The Canon S110 was a pretty competent intro to digital. I still = have some excellent images from it. I didn't realize how good until I = was recently given an Oly from the same period, which is unbelievably = big, slow and clunky by comparison. Next up was the Fuji F10, a very capable camera only limited by the lack = of manual controls. It was followed by the F30, still a classic that = last time I checked was going used for more than original price. These = cameras proved to be absolute class leaders and the F30 is still the low = light champ for moving subjects in my comparisons. Next up, the anomalous Canon A650, a G9 in cheap's clothing, with the = same lens, sensor and processor in a cheapish body, but with the = tremendous addition of an articulated screen. I got a LOT of excellent = images with it. Perfect, no, but even in retrospect, the best choice for = me at the time. A few weeks ago, when I last looked, to see what to = charge my son for it, they were surprisingly expensive used. To date, as far as I am aware, the only serious contenders for serious = compact camera, other than fixed focal length cameras, which don't = interest me, are the LX3, G11 and S90. There are plenty of smallish = cameras out there, like =B54/3 and the other coming mirrorless, = interchangeable lens cameras, the Ricoh, etc., but none of them fit the = pocket and/or belt requirement. For "pocketable" with RAW, good IQ and good overall control and = performance, there are really only the three. I've spent way too many = hours and looking molecules checking, and everything else is a step or = two below when it comes to how the images out of them look. The other = true compacts, with smaller sensors, just don't measure up in IQ. My conclusions were simple. The 24-60mm FL range of the LX3 just doesn't = meet my needs, so everything else about it doesn't really matter. The = G11/S90 share most imaging characteristics. Both improved on the G10 = sensor by backing down in pixel count in favor of other IQ factors. The = choice was mostly size and weight vs. longer lens and articulated = screen, although the G11 has some other advantages, hot shoe, which = means little to me, ND filter, etc. I'm totally hooked on an = articulated screen, and have always had something of a "tele eye"so the = S90 was handicapped. I bought a G11, completely based on careful, through analysis, and with = no reference at all the "the DPR crowd", and as far as I am concerned, I = have another winner. I now not only use it as my "carry a camera = everywhere" camera, but I carry it together with the 5D out in the = field. The articulated screen means I get shots I simply couldn't with = an SLR unless I carried a box to stand on, a shovel to get down under = things and an eye extender to allow looking through the finder at the = end of my outstretched arm. I know, you mostly shoot different things = than I do, but that doesn't signify for me. I also value the option of very close-up shots with much greater DOF = than with the FF sensor and lenses. I often take the same shot with both = cameras, so I can choose which DOF I like better later. When I was in a = photo shop the other day to pick up some developed film (!), I handled = an S90. Hmmm. So small and light. Do I need one of those too? ;-) Anyway, the G11 is still current, available and highly capable. Just = because it may have dropped out of sight in the ramblings and rants of = the fashionistas doesn't mean it and its capabilities and desirability = for the more serious photographer wanting a compact, competent camera = have changed. An. Opinionated Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 23:16:32 2010 Received: (qmail 16757 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97588E180A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52305E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E4FE47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1C2E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4850 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2010 21:16:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 21:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE877A3.6000803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:16:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100510-0, 05/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 23:16:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be877b0258622517112723 I like both but prefer the second. I think the second is a little easier to look at. The first can get the eye confused trying to follow those stems. Chuck Norcutt Nicholas Herndon wrote: > Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of > their flowers around dusk. Just got the film back last night. OM-2n > and OMZ 100/2, wide open or close to it, hand held with expired Fuji > 800NPZ shot at 640. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4593880273/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4594494474/ > > This lens is remarkable! I'm awaiting the arrival of a Panasonic GH1 > this week, and cannot wait to test out the lens on a m4/3rds body. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 23:19:58 2010 Received: (qmail 30221 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 21:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 21:19:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED8AE180A9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F365DE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342EAE4722B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81767E47223 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 66933 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2010 21:19:26 -0000 Message-ID: <29780.66748.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GhfwkSwVM1n6m.vxjmLfGmzCTgMVdUBFdJId6sBEgBl47a_ GD0IaQyTliSFgl1ZQgMG2NjXbnohBncGtmnN.JAYaNxc2lce3_sUdYsUKCpA GS7Xc0fV_zp4yTuwCX2QYrA8f4dSHLX5kQOsL..V4B2lXX9DN6tT4jAmy54X RMfuvVvR43xPoSybVi6zkIkcGQvcgA5fJ1AfhlmBnB5OBcG3GcuwxUZ15HO4 ymKObqYoAJbi5v4vJcKu.1adDC8LuHShXDJEF_IL5zxgm41OWTshad6q7OUM O0i1NDQpKlH_MOkJ7IQC4gRrovRz0HJccrzx1tAXpGa0- Received: from [81.158.164.89] by web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:19:25 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:19:25 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 23:19:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8787e85881076813867 Chris, I have a voigtlander 15mm in Leica M fit, complete with veiwfinder, which you are welcome to borrow for a couple of weeks if you would like to evaluate the quality. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Monday, 10 May, 2010 15:45:51 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? The CV 12mm seems to be a terrible lens on digital (severe colour casting issues) because of the steep angle with which the light rays hit the sensor, but magical on a film camera. It won't be un-correctable, but just keep that in mine. For an ultra- wide angle solution, I am sure that any of the lenses that were designed for the system would be better. regards, Dawid On 10 May 2010, at 4:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, CH, but the pictures always look fine to me :-) > > Size is important for me, and I am considering buying the CV 12/5.6, > but worry about the size with the adaptor on my GF-1. > > Chris > > On 10 May 2010, at 09:42, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> I'm also on the market for a wide lens for my E-PL1, what put me >> off (a >> little) is the small aperture of the Olympus 9-18 at the long end. >> Instead >> of reading what DP say may be it is better just to look at their >> samples: >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/olympus-m-zd-9-18mm-f4-5-6-review-samples/slideshow >> >> I will wait until early next year to see how their 12mm performs. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 23:26:30 2010 Received: (qmail 18362 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2A9E18092 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC1AE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C81E47214 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D546E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-26-213-100.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.26.213.100]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 71 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <31847D02-9EEC-45EB-8DCD-7AF469D4AB69@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:26:11 +0200 References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 23:26:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be87a0627121744846740 Moose, my dad bought himself a G11, and on all aspects I must concur, it's a lovely, capable little camera that impresses in terms of image quality, features, build quality, and versatility. Enjoy... I have almost been tempted to get one too, myself. Dawid On 10 May 2010, at 10:46 PM, Moose wrote: > On 5/10/2010 10:03 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> ... >> BTW, anybody else notice that the Canon G-series has essentially >> dropped off the face of the planet lately? A shame on one hand as >> it is a mighty fine camera, but nice on the other hand because >> we're seeing the value in other cameras which were drowned out by >> the DPR crowd. >> > > Maybe they've been denied access to Iowa? > > > In my unending quest for the perfect compact camera, I've done pretty > well. > I bought a G11, completely based on careful, through analysis, and > with > no reference at all the "the DPR crowd", and as far as I am > concerned, I > have another winner. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 23:44:27 2010 Received: (qmail 22209 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A224E1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67024E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCD7E4722A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BA0E47228 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6924 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 21:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.61.230.166) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 21:44:18 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:44:16 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 18: food and football X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 23:44:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be87e3b51379752976205 After the photographic orgy in Denmark the week before, last week was more about work and other everyday things. I did not take a lot of pictures, but here are some slices of Alicante life in the springtime: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=382 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 10 23:52:55 2010 Received: (qmail 2065 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A56E180BE for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D133E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592C2E47214 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA024E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25875 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2010 21:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2010 21:52:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:52:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 10 23:52:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be88036285241076813867 On 5/10/2010 9:36 AM, Mike Lazzari wrote: >> For me the only comprehensible distance scale, circa 1/40000000 the circumference of our planet ... >> > A rather esoteric, arbitrary starting point. Too bad the ivory tower crowd developed what could have been a very useful and logical system. > I'm not so sure about the use of logic in measurements. Aren't they all essentially arbitrary? I'm not aware of any sort of fundamental source for measurement. We can use atomic vibration for very accurate time measurement standards, but there is nothing is absolute in length at the atomic level. Well, maybe wavelengths of light. Is it time to turn measurements on their head, counting up from infinitesimal? And if we were cartoon characters, with three fingers and a thumb, wouldn't we base a "rational" system on powers of six? The old, sort of English system still in common use here makes a lot of sense to me at the level of living personal life. An inch is the length of the end part of my index finger, the span of the four fingers of my hand is 6 in., my foot is about a foot long, elbow to fingertip is 18 in., the distance from nose to fingertip stretched out to the side is a yard, and thus the span of my reach is two yards or six feet. There is nothing about the metric system that has anything like the body level sense of the old English system of measurement. At larger scales of linear measurement, I don't much care except for having an "feeling" from so many years of experience for the common measure of miles and knowing from navigation how useful the nautical mile is in relationship to the earth's size. "A mile a minute" is pretty useful in latitude and equatorial longitude. Doesn't matter now with GPS, I suppose. The whole business of the metric system came as a part of the rampant rationalism of the "Enlightenment" (Winners get to pick the names.) Unfortunately for their claim to some sort of non-arbitrariness, their estimate of the size of the Earth was quite a ways off. Read some philosophy and natural philosophy of the times. There was a serious move afoot to wholly deny all the non-rational aspects of humans and "improve" them to artificial ideas of rationality. If everything is better in decimal, why don't we have 10 hours days of 100 minutes each? Just sayin' :-) If you keep up with what's happening in some sciences, including physics, you might be aware of the claim by at lest one Nobel Laureate in quantum physics of the death of Reductionism, one of the cornerstones of Rationalism. Two yards, but not two metres. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 00:27:37 2010 Received: (qmail 9088 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CE5E180AA for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97D6E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0456E47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7185BE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so618188gwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.5 with SMTP id dg5mr2938850ibb.44.1273530446658; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:27:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:27:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c2cafe5c67c766dc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 00:27:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be88859131992439112457 Maybe you missed my point that I feel that the G11 is a very nice camera. Personally, I like the S90 more, but for very specific reasons. The G11 is the "King of the Hill" which it stands on. No doubt about that. But for a year now, there is another hill which has gotten quite popular for the same type of person that was buying the G-series. The upswing in sales for the Micro FourThirds products is taking a direct bite out of the sales of the G11. Had my requirement matched yours, Moose, I too would have gotten the G11 (or even the G10 as it is actually a bit better at base-ISO in resolution, and even at the higher ISOs, the noise is present but smaller in the resulting prints. The G11, in spite of the noise tests isn't really that much better than the G10. Both handle very well. As it is, I've managed to avoid getting any of the above. Of all things, I just spent money on a several year old L1. Go figure. Shows that I don't know much or I'm completely illogical. AG (or that I bought myself time) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 01:03:56 2010 Received: (qmail 29621 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 23:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 23:03:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A34BE180A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0372E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBF534AC02D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C79F34AC02B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100510230341.IQYY16574.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:03:41 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Fz3i1e00A233qdw02z3iGb; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:03:42 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=-wOiq-ACZoQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=EKft2hDhZZnttaEASVoA:9 a=azSexHB70AoIxXqPaY9J7G0FNjQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8AECB84D36484767A33B3E532A77D088@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:03:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 01:03:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be890dc43379752976205 Certainly the photo press and internet weinies aren't looking sideways even at the class of cameras in which the G11 resides. That's probably because a M4/3's camera isn't much more with greater flexibility and better IQ. If Canon doens't come out with a replacement in the next six months or so, expect it to be replaced by a new camera with and APS-C sensor, which I understand is to be announced by Sony very soon, so let the competition begin. Bill pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 01:05:55 2010 Received: (qmail 17700 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 23:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 23:05:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C6E1808F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45D0E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E468234AC02B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956C134AC028 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100510230503.EVBK18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:05:03 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Fz511e00L233qdw02z52aL; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:05:02 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=idDDXM5LI1cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=t1ox-eUxuKQxVrZ3lNAA:9 a=nA6J8n0RZ-VH-Gi9SVPWQ-1ORBIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <9B4F604F85164257A723E8787CA211BE@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net><98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net><054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> <29780.66748.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 01:05:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8915318113900897491 Certainly no complaints with my CV 15 except with the occasional color cast in the corners with mine. ' Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 01:48:09 2010 Received: (qmail 4092 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2010 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2010 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97B3E1809D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AC3E24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E53A3610003 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E82F3610002 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4ANm0qV003927 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:48:00 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c0f.6e2ab09b (37665) for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB077-d1c54be89b2436f; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:55 -0400 Received: from webmail-m062 (webmail-m062.sim.aol.com [64.12.158.162]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC016-d1c54be89b2436f; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:48 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.162) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 May 2010 19:47:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBEB254B5DC21-195C-55D4@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] No fire sale but a bit off for digital film for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 01:48:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be89b39107791073733319 http://www.usa.canon.com/app/emails/eosmay10/?WT.mc_id=EM1005EO01004 Just in case someone was soon to get one anyway. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 02:02:58 2010 Received: (qmail 352 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 00:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 00:02:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770C0E180B5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C05AE24A9E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAC8E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31185E47204 for ; 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Mon, 10 May 2010 20:10:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] What is recommended OM optimal CLA interval? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 02:11:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8a0b124781220213263 Just looked inside my OM-2. Time has gone by. Seals work OK and exposure still reasonably accurate. It can't last forever and I don't want any trouble while traveling. Perhaps John has that X-sync switch protector to add to the CLA work. Picked up the ruined rolls--UGH. Couldn't reach him by e-mail--perhaps exceedingly busy. The latter is a good thing. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 04:15:23 2010 Received: (qmail 5376 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 02:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 02:15:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A02E180B4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF93EE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9950C34AC04B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E11F34AC04A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 84357 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2010 02:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XMz_zCgVM1l6jIbETn2o1rpsVTljjGzavg12XL8V_wOZQdb GrMcE.5EpwYXhgt0lDQi7CrVN98Fn.pXJuwDW9ZllnGEwnwfwa1bxC_fyX.s r2v.eaRGCig6x4g3dk_a_dnq1uEaydoKxE0CeUK27KUGmDAJtdm7GzQd_DdA oNmZ8ypvXND0hPYap.UsICvU1LWbhNme1YtQgkM9z1KM8fUjx1B3GJbx9Uuk tCxoD_w.qctMtVwcZBqh7hkK._xC13ODEk1PdQta_WGG1.ZQvgnXlltysgVP xZn2ZvzsmjxUyMa5E5AeoWROgoLLczhkBIllnhZraE_w9xmu8GgmWW5diekY JBtR.jqQ1yvamAB9qzTaKRog88YTvRA-- Received: from [74.97.61.162] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 04:15:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8bdbb230031073733319 ...documented the event: http://www.wngd.org/ Boris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 04:28:18 2010 Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 02:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 02:28:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968CCE18089 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7D8E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EACE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41ABE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so2919307ywh.26 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.135 with SMTP id dm7mr2678226ibb.76.1273544893026; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:28:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:28:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fe8589a325d0dc7d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 04:28:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8c0c216241744846740 Brings new meaning to the idiom "A long row to hoe". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:05:39 2010 Received: (qmail 28413 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0014AE180A9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9362CE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909AD34AC04F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDA934AC02A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27768 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2010 03:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 03:05:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:05:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8c983256951234514069 On 5/10/2010 3:27 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Maybe you missed my point that I feel that the G11 is a very nice camera. > Personally, I like the S90 more, but for very specific reasons. > = They are both nice and I can understand why Canon made both. I wouldn't = mind having both. > The G11 is the "King of the Hill" which it stands on. No doubt about that= . But for a year now, there is another hill which has gotten quite popular = for the same type of person that was buying the G-series. The upswing in sa= les for the Micro FourThirds products is taking a direct bite out of the sa= les of the G11. > = Is that based on demonstrable fact, or rumor an conjecture. I'm not = arguing or claiming you are wrong. I'm simply curious, as I wouldn't = know how to ascertain that. I'm sort of mystified at how one can see the =B54/3 cameras and the G = series as the same sort of thing. I can put my G11 in a horizontal case = on my belt with quick draw flap (A Nikon case, as Canon for some reason = didn't make a proper belt case for the G11.) It's out of the way until I = want it, then instantly available. It also fits nicely in the pocket of = my favorite light windbreaker, secure, but instantly to hand. It also = fits in the outside pockets of my parkas. None of that it true of any of the =B54/3 cameras except perhaps in the = bellows pockets of parkas when fitted with one of the small prime = lenses. I got all excited when they came out, several times, as various = models surfaced. But sober judgment based on holding them made it clear = that they are a different class than the G11, LX3 and S90. Once I've got to carry a camera around my neck or in a bag on shoulder = or hip, the whole dynamic changes. For me, it then might as well be any = small DSLR. If they were comparable in size/weight and lens collapsing = into the body, I'd likely have a =B54/3, although the G11 has made me = something of a fan of the greater DOF of a small sensor for CUs. > Had my requirement matched yours, Moose, I too would have gotten the G11 = (or even the G10 as it is actually a bit better at base-ISO in resolution, = and even at the higher ISOs, the noise is present but smaller in the result= ing prints. The G11, in spite of the noise tests isn't really that much bet= ter > than the G10. Both handle very well. > = The G10 doesn't have an articulated screen. That may not matter to you = and some others, but is a HUGE thing to me. It offered way too little = other advantage over the G9/A650 to be of interest to me. I also did some comparison of identical studio shots and didn't find any = compelling advantage in overall IQ. As AG might say, it isn't ALL about = noise. For example, when I compared G11 to F30, the F30 still, after all = this time, is a slightly lower noise 6 MP camera than the G11 = downsampled. However, G11 images are better in pretty much every other way. > As it is, I've managed to avoid getting any of the above. Of all things, = I just spent money on a several year old L1. Go figure. Shows that I don't= know much or I'm completely illogical. > = Makes perfect sense to me, given what I know about your views. Logic in = choices is always based on premises and weighting of factors. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:21:52 2010 Received: (qmail 5228 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:21:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B4AE180A5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7A4E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86302E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D239E47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100511032146.OECU26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:21:46 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id G3Ml1e008233qdw023MlHd; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:21:45 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=gbvNxY-nIxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=AOq7TfLJtMrFuYkC5b4A:9 a=zVXfP7ADWrpcJ1TM06YI7RgJ4GcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:21:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8cd5022581950411718 I'm sort of mystified at how one can see the =B54/3 cameras and the G series as the same sort of thing. I can put my G11 in a horizontal case on my belt with quick draw flap The Oly M4/3 camera thet I saw at BestBuy, the only place within about six = hours of me where I could see ANY 4/3 camera, was demonstrably thinner than = my G10, although a bit longer, I think, and the zoom was, well, entirely to= o = big, as all 4/3 lenses miss out on the size promise. Still, it would fit in = more of my pockets than my G10. Bill Pearce = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:28:12 2010 Received: (qmail 28422 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:28:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFBBEDC015 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB024E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5559E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425DAE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:28:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21038 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2010 03:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 03:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE8CEBF.5080809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:27:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <8AECB84D36484767A33B3E532A77D088@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <8AECB84D36484767A33B3E532A77D088@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:28:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8cecc206755683411216 On 5/10/2010 4:03 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Certainly the photo press and internet weinies aren't looking sideways ev= en at the class of cameras in which the G11 resides. That's probably becaus= e a M4/3's camera isn't much more with greater flexibility and better IQ. > = As I just posted in reply to Ken, it isn't necessarily about the money, = but about how the size, weight and features fit my needs. > If Canon doens't come out with a replacement in the next six months or so= , expect it to be replaced by a new camera with and APS-C sensor, which I u= nderstand is to be announced by Sony very soon, so let the competition begi= n. > = Interesting apparent assumption, that something G11 size and weight can = be made with all the same features, but with an APS-C sized sensor. So a = little simple math: G11 1/1.7" 7.6 x 5.7 mm =B54/3 4/3" 18.0 x 13.5 mm APS-C 22.3 x 14.9 mm Now, scale up a lens like that on the G11 to cover the diagonal of = APS-C. Then you will see why even the small, slow zooms for =B54/3 are = relatively large and make the cameras they fit on unpocketable. Scale up = the rest of the parts that are sensor size dependent and you have a much = bigger camera. The Oly small zoom is FF eq. of 28-84/3.5-5.6, the G11 28-140/f2.8-4.5, = both much longer longer range and a bit faster. Or perhaps the assumption is that size doesn't matter, but it does to me = for my use. Remember, if I am out "shooting", I am carrying a FF DSLR. = The compact is "carry everywhere" and adjunct. The new Sonys are aimed = at =B54/3. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:51:46 2010 Received: (qmail 19844 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:51:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65877E1809F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6781E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B705634AC051 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8367A34AC04F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1770889pwj.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.13.8 with SMTP id q8mr3287212rvi.269.1273549892135; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:51:32 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Happy Ending [was Re: Darkside anyone?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:51:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d45272871946193717 I took the camera into a friendly repair shop, they cleaned the sensor while I waited and made some reassuring comments about the state of everything else. At which point my Dad was unable to resist buying it for himself at the advertised price. All's well that ends well. Tom On 9 May 2010 21:52, Tom Fenwickwrote: > Based on responses on and off list I'm withdrawing this offer. > > The 5D will go to Ffordes, where they will clean the sensor if they think > it's necessary and sell it for about =A3750 with the stock screen, no zui= ko > adaptor and without the =A3100 of extra batteries. Sorry I wasn't able t= o do > anybody a favour, but I'm glad two zuikos found the homes they deserved. > > Tom > > On 6 May 2010 04:24, Tom Fenwick wrote: > >> Before this goes to Ffordes for sale, does anybody want to try a 5D for >> themselves? >> >> >> A well used, but perfectly functional example. A couple of tiny scratch= es >> on the prism hump, a fair bit of wear on the hot-shoe, some brassing at = the >> lower left rear corner. >> Includes everything that came with the camera - strap, body cap, battery, >> cables, charger, software, manual (well thumbed) and assorted paperwork. >> >> Fitted with the EE-s fine-grained screen for manual focusing, but standa= rd >> screen will also be included in the EE-s packaging. >> >> Four spare batteries also in the box, and as a special sweetener for this >> list, an EOS to OM lens adaptor; the high-grade Cameraquest version. >> >> Go on - find out for yourself...! >> >> =A3650 to you lot. >> >> Tom >> > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:53:42 2010 Received: (qmail 9058 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E0BE18099 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0984DE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2ABE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FFFE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4B3rUBv017823 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:53:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.cf1.74659e49 (44048) for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-dd07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD074-ac104be8d4b635; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:53:26 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <6ca13.11e65747.391a2eb6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:53:26 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.20.250 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:53:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d4c692141234514069 In a message dated 5/10/2010 9:28:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Brings new meaning to the idiom "A long row to hoe". or "Just hanging out." Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:55:39 2010 Received: (qmail 27398 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:55:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173D7E18087 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42264E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17124E47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13A2E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19588 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2010 03:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 03:55:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:55:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:55:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d53b256549730998309 On 5/10/2010 8:21 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > The Oly M4/3 camera thet I saw at BestBuy, the only place within about six hours of me where I could see ANY 4/3 camera, was demonstrably thinner than my G10, although a bit longer, I think, and the zoom was, well, entirely too big, as all 4/3 lenses miss out on the size promise. Still, it would fit in more of my pockets than my G10. > I guess we will have to get together to compare pockets. :-) Or do you mean with lens separated? That would be cheating! ;-) The G11 is actually 2mm thicker than the G10, the price of the articulated screen. Well worth it, to me. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 05:59:00 2010 Received: (qmail 27381 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FB2E180A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E712E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7342E4B226 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFFBE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so2460062yxe.22 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.168.207 with SMTP id v15mr3084155iby.34.1273550333857; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:58:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:58:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: da257fc684903c2a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 05:59:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d604248641413256596 Yeah, but none of them are the X1. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 06:01:08 2010 Received: (qmail 11385 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 04:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 04:01:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32EBE1808F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBAE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F6734AC04F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDC834AC02A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com (mail-yx0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so2460633yxe.22 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.79.146 with SMTP id p18mr3279527ibk.28.1273550427058; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6ca13.11e65747.391a2eb6@aol.com> References: <6ca13.11e65747.391a2eb6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:00:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb4c93287ff39962 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 06:01:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d684159331234514069 I refuse to make a crass joke about 'weed-whackers'. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 06:06:24 2010 Received: (qmail 9478 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 04:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 04:06:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDC2E18095 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CC6E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52091E47214 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9188E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so2973218ywh.26 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.79.146 with SMTP id p18mr3282171ibk.28.1273550777255; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:06:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7ed41158e8c2804a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy Ending [was Re: Darkside anyone?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 06:06:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8d7c0271601744846740 >All's well that ends well. Wonderful! All this talk about dust spots was a little unfortunate. Much ado about nothing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 06:21:20 2010 Received: (qmail 16121 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 04:21:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 04:21:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18471E180A0 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB112E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB22E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:21:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC5CE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:21:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4B4LCc8005110 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:21:12 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4BEB1499E8DE401E8EB7BA6332EC965F@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net><34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net><116A0A1BF9114C41B09BA6246F994FBC@MAIN> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:21:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 06:21:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8db40103311073733319 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> It didn't say anything, how does it better? Ok, what I can think of is >> the >> DOF of LX-3 is much BETTER. >> > > > Sharpness was quite natural, the DoF was greater, of course, which for > event > shooting is not a bad thing. The lens gave good dimensionality to the > people. Skintones and the way it reacted to mixed lighting was very good. > The only thing that really jumped out at me as an issue was distortion. > Straight lines don't stay very straight. > > I could tell a low ISO was used, though. > Ok, if you talked about tones and mixed light I can agree with you, both Olympus and Pana handle them better than Canyon. For the distortion, ok, I was expecting the software has corrected it but checking with some test images, the close to edge lines bent rather obviously and the lines a little further looks very straight. The software seems did some non linear adjustment there. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 06:47:36 2010 Received: (qmail 23177 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05815E180A1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B575E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1FBE4B226 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC7BE47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f173.google.com (mail-pz0-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so2133689pzk.26 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.213.24 with SMTP id p24mr3365246rvq.291.1273553248623; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 05:47:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy Ending [was Re: Darkside anyone?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 06:47:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8e168238831612113968 Really it is particularly good for me because I can sell him the 24-105 that I use about once a year but never dared sell because on the rare occasions I cover events it's really the thing to have. This way I can borrow it back any time and put the money into something I'll use every day. And I agree about the dust spots. I should have scanned a few negatives to put up beside them! I hadn't thought of trying to sell it to Dad, although he was a Canon user for a while when he lost faith with the OM system (bad experience with a failed repair to a meter on his OM2N - he moved on but I kept all his OM stuff and it's working just fine these days). He was given a Canon G6 when he retired, and for a long time refused to use anything else because he found the flip-out screen a must have feature. I gave him an E-620 for his 70th birthday and he's been so impressed that the G6 is being retired; he feels the 620 is not significantly bigger, while it's reignited his interest in real photography and he wants to try his 35mm lenses again. It's never too late :-) Tom On 11 May 2010 05:06, Ken Norton wrote: > >All's well that ends well. > > Wonderful! > > All this talk about dust spots was a little unfortunate. Much ado about > nothing. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 07:33:40 2010 Received: (qmail 14514 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 05:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 05:33:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995A0E180A1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4FFE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4F6E47213 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2496E47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3510276fxm.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.165.65 with SMTP id w1mr526004hbd.68.1273556011608; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:33:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 07:33:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8ec34236731342116753 2010/5/10 Moose : > On 5/10/2010 9:36 AM, Mike Lazzari wrote: >>> For me the only comprehensible distance scale, circa 1/40000000 the circumference of our planet ... >>> >> A rather esoteric, arbitrary starting point. Too bad the ivory tower crowd developed what could have been a very useful and logical system. >> >> > The old, sort of English system still in common use here makes a lot of > sense to me at the level of living personal life. An inch is the length > of the end part of my index finger, the span of the four fingers of my > hand is 6 in., my foot is about a foot long, elbow to fingertip is 18 > in., the distance from nose to fingertip stretched out to the side is a > yard, and thus the span of my reach is two yards or six feet. > I'm not saying one is better than the other, I just grew up in the metric system. So for me it is very logical that my little finger has 1cm width, thumb is 2,5 cm long, the span of thumb to index is 20 cm (for my hands) so five spans is one meter... our bricks are metric, being 19 cm long, 4 high and 9 deep, add 1cm of joint and a classic wall is easily to count. Just to say it is all just a matter of convention. A step is about a meter... My kids count in Euromoney, I still count in Belgian Francs subconsciously (and thereby think, boy what is everything expensive!) Two villages are about 10 km apart, two larger ones 20 km, etc... it is all indeed just arbitrary. Napoleon lost here in Waterloo, but left a very big heritage. Just like we living in one far too big timezone in Europe because of WWII. Iwert (1.78m) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:14:40 2010 Received: (qmail 25676 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C910E1808B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95D6E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F03DE47228 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970FBE47223 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4B6EShv007776 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:14:28 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <5CD5947A56EE454999202D10A5CF6F4E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:13:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:14:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f5d0229633900897491 It is just you, you have the requirement for a pocket camera. The G11 can put into your pocket but I will never put any camera of that size in my pocket, a 100g phone camera is ok. I always carry a small shoulder bag, ok the bag can even accomodate a 5D II with 24/2 mounted but the combination make the bag deformed too much. The E-PL1 is much better fit even with one or two extra Pen FT lenses. The Olympus Pen and Pana GF-1 sell very well here, I think the only problem is the price. E-PL1 is a right move, it certainly eat into the market of the high end compact camera like G11. People are looking for stylish stuffs... http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P5061502.jpg (E-PL1 with 85/2 @F2.8) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Moose" On 5/10/2010 3:27 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Maybe you missed my point that I feel that the G11 is a very nice camera. > Personally, I like the S90 more, but for very specific reasons. > They are both nice and I can understand why Canon made both. I wouldn't mind having both. > The G11 is the "King of the Hill" which it stands on. No doubt about that. > But for a year now, there is another hill which has gotten quite popular > for the same type of person that was buying the G-series. The upswing in > sales for the Micro FourThirds products is taking a direct bite out of the > sales of the G11. > Is that based on demonstrable fact, or rumor an conjecture. I'm not arguing or claiming you are wrong. I'm simply curious, as I wouldn't know how to ascertain that. I'm sort of mystified at how one can see the =B54/3 cameras and the G series as the same sort of thing...... -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:19:58 2010 Received: (qmail 27120 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:19:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9770AE180AD for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE55E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2E23610001 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A730434AC028 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so175383wyb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.154.83 with SMTP id n19mr4798863wbw.147.1273558791197; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm399224wbb.20.2010.05.10.23.19.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 23:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <29780.66748.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:19:49 +0100 Message-Id: <62040B40-095F-40A0-900B-AC5A426EA071@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu><5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <98474CA5-90FF-475F-919C-C0330240DDDF@threeshoes.net> <054E9AA5-435C-48CF-836E-807213FAD45A@solms.co.za> <29780.66748.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:19:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f70d266302517112723 Wow, there's an offer! Thanks very much, John, but I don't have a M adaptor. However, I am thinking of getting one and I will remember your very kind offer. Cheers Chris On 10 May 2010, at 22:19, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > I have a voigtlander 15mm in Leica M fit, complete with veiwfinder, which you are welcome to borrow for a couple of weeks if you would like to evaluate the quality. > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:22:34 2010 Received: (qmail 12854 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:22:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FB2E180AA for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30150E240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D671E4B23C for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902F7E4B226 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1111616wwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.20 with SMTP id h20mr4767972wbt.47.1273558946624; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm413903wbb.2.2010.05.10.23.22.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 23:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:22:24 +0100 Message-Id: <77E4873A-E23F-4A1B-88D8-BED3A7033B04@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:22:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f7aa12211258626592 I can put my GF-1 in a Crumpler case that fits on my belt, but it's a) not = really out of the way, and b) not fitted with a zoom. But it's a delight to have hanging around my neck ... Chris On 11 May 2010, at 04:05, Moose wrote: > I'm sort of mystified at how one can see the =B54/3 cameras and the G = > series as the same sort of thing. I can put my G11 in a horizontal case = > on my belt with quick draw flap (A Nikon case, as Canon for some reason = > didn't make a proper belt case for the G11.) It's out of the way until I = > want it, then instantly available. It also fits nicely in the pocket of = > my favorite light windbreaker, secure, but instantly to hand. It also = > fits in the outside pockets of my parkas. > = > None of that it true of any of the =B54/3 cameras except perhaps in the = > bellows pockets of parkas when fitted with one of the small prime = > lenses. I got all excited when they came out, several times, as various = > models surfaced. But sober judgment based on holding them made it clear = > that they are a different class than the G11, LX3 and S90. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:25:48 2010 Received: (qmail 10024 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:25:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAB9E1809A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966DAE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D901E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1715FE47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1112870wwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.73 with SMTP id p9mr4898826wbu.65.1273559136452; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm41237883wbd.16.2010.05.10.23.25.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:25:34 +0100 Message-Id: <39D0BD55-98E1-4EBD-BAAE-03DA92804E99@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:25:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f86c157852013633067 Sorry Ken, but it's time for me to be a bit of a pedant, just for once. That should be, "none of them is the X1". Because "none" means "not one". Chris On 11 May 2010, at 04:58, Ken Norton wrote: > Yeah, but none of them are the X1. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:27:37 2010 Received: (qmail 24026 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:27:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5526AE1808D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5098CE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C1E47209 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF240E47204 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so178269wyb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.200 with SMTP id a8mr4908253wbj.30.1273559248017; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm46698762wbc.23.2010.05.10.23.27.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 23:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <5CD5947A56EE454999202D10A5CF6F4E@MAIN> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:27:26 +0100 Message-Id: References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <5D23D624-BA61-4BAF-8491-60C883BF3706@threeshoes.net> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> <5CD5947A56EE454999202D10A5CF6F4E@MAIN> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:27:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f8d9218419752976205 Is it the camera we're supposed to be looking at, CH? :-) Chris On 11 May 2010, at 07:13, C.H.Ling wrote: > The Olympus Pen and Pana GF-1 sell very well here, I think the only problem > is the price. E-PL1 is a right move, it certainly eat into the market of the > high end compact camera like G11. People are looking for stylish stuffs... > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P5061502.jpg (E-PL1 with 85/2 @F2.8) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 08:29:59 2010 Received: (qmail 21174 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 06:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 06:29:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CA2E180A6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAFCE240D3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D237D3610002 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0963610001 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1114411wwb.20 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.203 with SMTP id y11mr4833998wbw.107.1273559388204; Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h22sm16096587wbh.15.2010.05.10.23.29.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 23:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:29:46 +0100 Message-Id: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy Ending [was Re: Darkside anyone?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 08:29:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be8f96743641076813867 Hurrah! I'm sure that it looked very tempting ... Chris On 11 May 2010, at 04:51, Tom Fenwick wrote: > I took the camera into a friendly repair shop, they cleaned the sensor while > I waited and made some reassuring comments about the state of everything > else. At which point my Dad was unable to resist buying it for himself at > the advertised price. > > All's well that ends well. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 09:53:09 2010 Received: (qmail 12969 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 07:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 07:53:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5206FE180A9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89633E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72734AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D9534AC029 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.117.64.149] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBkBi-0007rt-8E for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:47:34 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:52:52 +0200 Message-Id: References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 09:53:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be90ce5193381879814018 Hi all, Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am processing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes many times. Regards, Dave -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 09:56:15 2010 Received: (qmail 31897 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 07:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 07:56:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6765E18089 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A29E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450F834AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639D234AC029 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:56:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 282 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:09:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8DAA3559-2A05-432D-9C25-39FAAA5474C3@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:56:04 +0200 References: <97CE92A0-AB90-44DB-887A-766A5C747A9B@solms.co.za> <1D100338-4627-42A2-81A4-CB860AE9A706@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Fomapan 100 (not bad...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 09:56:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be90d9f233491560218263 On 10 May 2010, at 2:42 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > Dawid, > > Ah yes. Well there's a DoF duh for me. Don't know why that didn't > occur to > me. Maybe because my fastest OM lenses are f2.8 ;) It's a great > learning > tool for me to get insight into other photographers artistic > process, so > thanks for the explanation. That's my pleasure, Paul. I learn a lot about my own artistic process every day... > Have a great week, and I'll look forward to the prints from the rest > of the > roll. I really don't know how you find the time. It's all I can do > to soup > and scan a roll every week or week and a half. More power to you > keeping > traditional b&w processes alive. Well, I'm quite committed to this. I have already spent a lot of time and money on this interest, and I plan to see it through fully (whatever that may mean). I also have a very understanding wife that grants me ample darkroom time :-) Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 09:58:14 2010 Received: (qmail 9935 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 07:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 07:58:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCA1E180A0 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05DAE240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25F34AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AEF34AC029 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so222425wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.21 with SMTP id u21mr4873764wbt.68.1273564631641; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm47226537wbc.11.2010.05.11.00.57.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:57:10 +0100 Message-Id: <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 09:58:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be90e15262001744846740 Dave I can heartily recommend Apple's Aperture. This is now at v3 and supports most of the Olympus RAW formats, excluding only the latest mFT camera (E-PL1) I know that it's not free, like Viewer, but you might find it a worthwhile investment for your whole digital image collection. I plan to qualify as an Apple Pro in Aperture, but that has nothing to do with my recommendation :-) Chris On 11 May 2010, at 08:52, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am processing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes many times. > > Regards, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 10:14:19 2010 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 08:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 08:14:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16700E180A2 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A5BE240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E065434AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6797F34AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.117.64.149] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBkWD-000226-5L for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:08:45 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:14:04 +0200 Message-Id: <9BDB17CF-70FE-429E-8C2D-923CD863D5B2@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 10:14:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be911db210851234514069 Chris, thank you very much for your quick answer. Certainly I worked with A= perture 2 sometime ago. I liked picture sharpness and menu layout. Interfac= e was very pleasant like Capture ONE. C1PRO sharpness for E-1 is terribly b= ad (demosaizing algorithms are horrible). Also their noise reduction algori= thms remove E-1 fine detail (this software is focused in very large sensors= ). Lightroom, lovely interface but disgusting color. It can be very punchy = and pleasant for landscapes but for portraits is horrible (IMHO it is optim= ized for Canon and Nikon). Olympus Studio has a disgusting interface, slow,= crashes but gives you the best color, stunning skin tones, and extracts mo= re data from ORF files than any other RAW software package. Anyway, I=B4ll = try Aperture 3 but I think if you like Olympus is due to their color rendit= ion. = Warmest regards, Dave = El 11/05/2010, a las 09:57, Chris Barker escribi=F3: > Dave > = > I can heartily recommend Apple's Aperture. This is now at v3 and support= s most of the Olympus RAW formats, excluding only the latest mFT camera (E-= PL1) > = > I know that it's not free, like Viewer, but you might find it a worthwhil= e investment for your whole digital image collection. > = > I plan to qualify as an Apple Pro in Aperture, but that has nothing to do= with my recommendation :-) > = > Chris > = > On 11 May 2010, at 08:52, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > = >> Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am pr= ocessing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes man= y times. >> = >> Regards, > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 10:16:48 2010 Received: (qmail 14328 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 08:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 08:16:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5479FE1809F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F95E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47642E4B226 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5639E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so5440121qyk.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.228.148 with SMTP id je20mr4398770qcb.31.1273565799775; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.226.137 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:16:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:16:39 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 10:16:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be91270292731342116753 Minor correction: it does not support at least a couple of older Oly ORF formats, such as those produced by the c5050z and the c5060z. There used to be a means of tricking Leopard into seeing them as c7070z files, but, to quote Basil Fawlty, "that particular avenue of pleasure has been withdrawn". I'm now wondering if there's a means of altering the metadata of the files themselves so that they look like the supported c7070z files. I like my c5050z. It's slow, eats batteries, noisy, and has buttons everywhere as if designed like a Hellraiser Lemarchand box, but It does have compensatory qualities. I wish it was supported. Cheers, Marc On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, Chris Barker wrote: > Dave > > I can heartily recommend Apple's Aperture. =A0This is now at v3 and suppo= rts most of the Olympus RAW formats, excluding only the latest mFT camera (= E-PL1) > > I know that it's not free, like Viewer, but you might find it a worthwhil= e investment for your whole digital image collection. > > I plan to qualify as an Apple Pro in Aperture, but that has nothing to do= with my recommendation :-) > > Chris > > On 11 May 2010, at 08:52, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > >> Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am pr= ocessing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes man= y times. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 10:23:21 2010 Received: (qmail 9086 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 08:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 08:23:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C61E180B8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BF8E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F84DE4B23C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4800E4B23B for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 01:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.117.64.149] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBkew-000393-K7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:17:46 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:23:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 10:23:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be913f9259111946193717 Hi Marc, You can convert them to DNG with Adobe DNG Converter. Apple Aperture suppor= ts DNG. Remember to turn off "Convert to linear image" in Adobe DNG convert= er. Regards, Dave El 11/05/2010, a las 10:16, Marc Lawrence escribi=F3: > Minor correction: it does not support at least a couple of older Oly > ORF formats, such as those produced by the c5050z and the c5060z. > There used to be a means of tricking Leopard into seeing them as > c7070z files, but, to quote Basil Fawlty, "that particular avenue of > pleasure has been withdrawn". I'm now wondering if there's a means of > altering the metadata of the files themselves so that they look like > the supported c7070z files. > = > I like my c5050z. It's slow, eats batteries, noisy, and has buttons > everywhere as if designed like a Hellraiser Lemarchand box, but It > does have compensatory qualities. I wish it was supported. > = > Cheers, > Marc > = > On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, Chris Barker wrote: >> Dave >> = >> I can heartily recommend Apple's Aperture. This is now at v3 and suppor= ts most of the Olympus RAW formats, excluding only the latest mFT camera (E= -PL1) >> = >> I know that it's not free, like Viewer, but you might find it a worthwhi= le investment for your whole digital image collection. >> = >> I plan to qualify as an Apple Pro in Aperture, but that has nothing to d= o with my recommendation :-) >> = >> Chris >> = >> On 11 May 2010, at 08:52, David Irisarri Vila wrote: >> = >>> Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am p= rocessing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes ma= ny times. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 11:12:46 2010 Received: (qmail 21230 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 09:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 09:12:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626E2E18088 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9301FE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DDF34AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F079F34AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3722895fxm.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.1 with SMTP id 1mr494665hbx.190.1273569158375; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:12:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 11:12:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be91f8e322652013633067 David, I have no problems with Studio 2 crashing on snow leopard, but I pay attention in not willing too much, mostly processing only one roll of film a time, ie circa 36 - 40 pictures in one go. I also close all other programs and free as much ram as possible (but that's on a four year old macbook pro with 2 GB of ram) To me Studio gives the best colour and is the only option I think for removing distortion? Iwert 2010/5/11 David Irisarri Vila : > Hi all, > > Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am processing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes many times. > > Regards, > > Dave -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 11:40:27 2010 Received: (qmail 12597 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 09:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 09:40:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87387E18098 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668CAE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2E6E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC08EE47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.117.64.149] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBlw4-0005ji-WB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:39:33 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:39:20 +0200 Message-Id: References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 11:40:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9260b8355683411216 Oh yeah, I fully agree with you about distortion correction is a must! You = can also correct it manually using this info: Go to photozone or slrgear and enter this data in C1Pro to correct distorti= on, vignetting, etc... but it is a pain in the neck. I would appreciate CA = auto correction in Studio 2, I hate playing with numbers to minimize purple= fringing. Olympus color rendition is lovely. I work with a MAC PRO Early 2008 / 8GB / One Xeon 2.8 GHz Penryn processor = / RAID 2 x 750 Western Digital RE2 drives. The main problem of Studio 2 is that it doesn=B4t take advantage of multico= re despite of being mentioned under preferences. = It crashes when you activate many options, trying to fine-tune many of them= at the same time. Yes, I process more images, aprox 500-750 images at the = same time. One drawback of Studio 2 is that it doesn=B4t save any xmp file automatical= ly when you are developing raw images. = Regards, Dave El 11/05/2010, a las 11:12, zuiko escribi=F3: > David, > = > I have no problems with Studio 2 crashing on snow leopard, but I pay > attention in not willing too much, mostly processing only one roll of > film a time, ie circa 36 - 40 pictures in one go. > = > I also close all other programs and free as much ram as possible (but > that's on a four year old macbook pro with 2 GB of ram) > = > To me Studio gives the best colour and is the only option I think for > removing distortion? > = > Iwert > = > 2010/5/11 David Irisarri Vila : >> Hi all, >> = >> Does anybody know when is Olympus Viewer 2 going to be released? I am pr= ocessing my images in Snow Leopard with Olympus Studio 2 and it crashes man= y times. >> = >> Regards, >> = >> Dave > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 11:48:57 2010 Received: (qmail 25352 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 09:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 09:48:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C411E18098 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AD3E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6E534AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DCA34AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 02:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEADbE6EvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDF5wCqWaQcIElgwFqBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,206,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3529942" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 11 May 2010 21:48:46 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365D820251; Tue, 11 May 2010 21:48:46 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:48:46 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: [OM] (OM) Photographing autumn colours etc (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 11:48:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be92808125351946193717 I'd like to respond to a few of the points people made in the last few Digests. First, a bit of background ... I'll be 72 this year. I married when I was 42, and for a few years we had a happy life, but from the age of about 3 of my youngest, things started to turn to custard; I would have been about 48. At the same time the then Labour government of NZ, to pay back environmentalists for support during the parliamentary election, totally disestablished the NZ Forest Service, so that along with all the rest of the staff (3,000) I lost my job. This was the first of what was to become known internationally as "the New Zealand madness". 3,000 doesn't sound like many, in the context of much larger countries, but in NZ, this was huge. I managed to find another job to use my skills (Fisheries, this time), at half the salary, but in 1995 after 9 years there, along with 60 others, I was laid off. This was Nov. 1995. Unemployment was running at 15+%, and nobody wanted an overskilled 57 year old. I tried all sorts of things but could not find work. Fortunately, I had invested from the first day of my employment in the Forest Service, in an inflation-proofed superanuation scheme, and by 1995 I had been paying in for 42 years. This kept the bread on the table, and both our kids got a good education. I note however, that I enjoyed my professional work in the Forest Service so much that I wanted to keep working in it until I was 70. It was a very productive and fulfilling career, and I know of very few to rival it. I stayed in the marriage so that I could be with my kids, fortunately the house was big enough that I could live in a part of it quite separate from my estranged spouse. It was a very lonely existence however, and I have to say that joining this group of Zuikoholics - and access to general e-mail as well, kept me company and sane, more than you can imagine. And not to overlook all I learned about OM cameras and Zuiko lenses. During this period I did several things that the computer enabled me to do. One, a world first, was to list in easy computer-accessible form, all 12,800 or so of the fern species of the world. I was assisted by a German man I met on the internet. See http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/fern/ I also wrote a couple of books, one self-published, on NZ forestry topics. http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/book/ I also chaired a committee which ran a major family reunion in 2006. See http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/SFR/SFR4.htm for pictures. >From early in 2006 an unexpected series of events made me think that my kids were pretty-much able to look after themselves, and that I should get out of the current sham of a marriage and find a new partner. A series of events led me to the site http://www.findsomeone.co.nz) which at that time had 55,000 New Zealanders ( in addition to others in the UK, Canada and Australia sites) That has led me to my new partner, Maggie (Margaret), who lived(s) in Central Otago. So this has resulted in us buying a house together. We have each put in about $200,000 NZ; me as cash ( all my savings) and her half of what she will get when she sells a house she owns locally. At $400,000NZ this house is about at the national median price over the last year. Not an expensive house by some standards, and I have just a half share. $400,000 is equivalent to $285,364.15 USD, 224,112.07 EUR, 192,733.24 GBP, 297,602.12 CAD (Canadian), 321,351.39 AUD (Australian), 316,378.63 CHF (Swiss francs), 2,198,698.81 ZAR (South Africa Rand), and 5,738,319.65 UYU (Uruguay peso). Having bought this house, I'm living off my income. I do not have buckets of cash. While the house has 5 'bedrooms', since there are 4 of us living in it (Maggie, me, Chris her 40-year-old son on a medical disability pension, and his 7 year-old daughter (Chris's wife died of cancer on daughter's 2nd birthday), the house is full; one is my study and one is the TV room to take the TV and its nonsense programs out of 'in our face' especially at mealtimes. 3 bedrooms used as such. At age nearly 72, there is an element of "live life while you can" in what I do; who knows if I'll live another 5 minutes, 5 years, 10 years, or even 20? One of the devices I used as a carrot to hold in front of myself, as encouragement to succeed with separation, was my boat which I had put into storage. I used to do a lot of fishing using that boat, but after the powerful van I once towed it with was stolen and trashed (burned) along with $6,000 worth of "stuff" I could not use the boat again as I had nothing to tow it with. Raising two teenagers made it impossible. Now I do have a towing vehicle; but it turns out I have bought a real 'white elephant' in the form of the Range Rover. It looks great, the body is fine, and it is great to drive; but it is very unreliable, and parts are very expensive. I was looking to buy a Nissan Terrano G3R or a Toyota Surf 3L turbo 1997, both of which are reliable and powerful enough. And tripped over the RR on the Trademe site. Some time I will be quit of it but not until I have finished moving and given the boat a few runs with it. The reasons I bought a 4x4 include; towing boat, access to mountain areas over rough tracks and access to snow-covered landscapes for photography, and with climate control for the summertime benefit of my partner who is unable to cope with high summer temperatures when travelling - due to a severe head injury some 6 years ago. Getting my boat recommissioned (including the trailer road-certified) after 20 years storage is a top priority. So also is lifting the roof of our garage by about 30cm, and substantially lengthening it so it will take the boat and some vehicles. The target time for this is about 2 years away. Some time I will post pictures of the back of our house, and also my two biggest bookcases which I hauled up into the study. I had intended to use facebook, but I don't trust facebook's intentions with the uploading add-on they now insist that I install on whatever computer I happen to be using. And I'm away from my base in Christchurch with my own computer which has the programs to upload to my photography site. Thanks to Chuck's guidance, I can now add terabytes of storage to my computer. All the advice I got told me that the motherboard would not recognise more than about 132 gigabytes. In a simple hook-up test my computer man demonstrated it would recognise at least 500 GB. He also did a massive defragmentation using a program be bought; this has speeded up my machine hugely, but I'm not sure about it being fast enough to deal with RAW files. I have this idea in my head that a technology ( digital imaging - digital cameras ) is/are a somewhat deficient process that just HAS to improve over time if it can't cope with highlights such as those generated from back-lit or strongly front-lit autumn leaves, and relies instead on third party inventions. But I also suspect that not enough digital photographers care enough to cause the camera companies to make that sort of improvement. Anyway, this is a long way of saying that there are other items in the spending queue ahead of a new computer. What I have, will have to do, for a while yet. Doing RAW files will probably have to wait a bit. And the labs that do the best printing here insist on TIFF files. Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 12:03:20 2010 Received: (qmail 29093 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 10:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 10:03:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1346E1809A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A3FE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FBEE47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6398E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so301616wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.147 with SMTP id b19mr5114043wbx.84.1273572191790; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm47893218wbd.13.2010.05.11.03.03.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 03:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:03:04 +0100 Message-Id: <655752B8-57F5-4A06-AB54-A706CC1BA7AE@threeshoes.net> References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 12:03:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be92b68196451234514069 Iwert Aperture v3 seems to remove distortion properly on my GF-1 (with 20/1.7) and my LX-3. Chris On 11 May 2010, at 10:12, zuiko wrote: > > I also close all other programs and free as much ram as possible (but > that's on a four year old macbook pro with 2 GB of ram) > > To me Studio gives the best colour and is the only option I think for > removing distortion? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 12:26:53 2010 Received: (qmail 10188 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 10:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 10:26:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C202E180A9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5990EE240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451ACE47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C34E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 03:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21833 invoked from network); 11 May 2010 10:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 May 2010 10:26:42 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:26:41 +1000 References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 12:26:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be930ed282521234514069 > > If everything is better in decimal, why don't we have 10 hours days of > 100 minutes each? Just sayin' :-) Because when Robespierre attempted to introduce such a thing, recalcitrant old farts like you sabotaged it! Body sense? How many fingers do you have around your parts? 12? (Hmmmm....) A base ten system makes a lot more sense than any other, whether the basic stride length unit is arbitrary or not. However, in the interests of fair play, I'll include conversions into versts, bushells, cwt., cubits and parsecs in future. Which parts of your body do they correspond to? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/05/2010, at 7:52 AM, Moose wrote: > The old, sort of English system still in common use here makes a lot > of > sense to me at the level of living personal life. An inch is the > length > of the end part of my index finger, the span of the four fingers of my > hand is 6 in., my foot is about a foot long, elbow to fingertip is 18 > in., the distance from nose to fingertip stretched out to the side > is a > yard, and thus the span of my reach is two yards or six feet. > > There is nothing about the metric system that has anything like the > body > level sense of the old English system of measurement. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 13:41:55 2010 Received: (qmail 26279 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 11:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 11:41:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B43E180B5 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A57E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F1AE47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94283E4B226 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-112-11.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.112.11]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4BBfhV9017512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 21:41:46 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:41:39 +1000 Message-ID: <00cf01caf0fe$ed428700$c7c79500$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrwr884hLmxIlFUTwKxuZdmvt3mawATwJ4Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 13:41:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9428388075034211378 > > ...documented the event: > > http://www.wngd.org/ > ...just be very careful while pruning the roses. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 13:50:50 2010 Received: (qmail 5393 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 11:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 11:50:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50163E180A5 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138ECE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1E334AC02B for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DDC34AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33573 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2010 11:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nRBeLO8VM1lDoN2L9cbl37b8v47zH5s3ffq3pEpJILaiDxu pdlvjCss0sJsdH8XxXQS96..xhm4Mw0Cv1cWk1Md.a2qKSExSKfC2M3aKn6f 7vwwrh8v3zgyMpnRdSemWw.Ggc1Hi0qAW3Le928sgnfGz_TboNFWFRVTtEkM ltX1o70NLavA6u_QyuyVA8WlA64I6eDsr1O0zVR0b8EBE3cutTa54mDHc57i BBMYe6JUaZ8_yMYds6eMunxFlHUdnlx37HdqPTytdkZiTJTwnUkIr21w5zIg - Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 13:50:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9449a295331234514069 I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's over DSLR's. Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. The G's are incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played with the E-P. I noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I also noticed a couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and spend the extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk them out of that decision and look at the G11. The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact size. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:05:13 2010 Received: (qmail 16859 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:05:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00475E180C7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556CFE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B8034AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E44A34AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.213.223]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2900EXV882DQM7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:04:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE947E5.4060808@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:04:53 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:05:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be947f933531342116753 Very nice shots, Nicholas. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Nicholas Herndon wrote: > Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of > their flowers around dusk. Just got the film back last night. OM-2n > and OMZ 100/2, wide open or close to it, hand held with expired Fuji > 800NPZ shot at 640. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4593880273/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4594494474/ > > This lens is remarkable! I'm awaiting the arrival of a Panasonic GH1 > this week, and cannot wait to test out the lens on a m4/3rds body. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:29:36 2010 Received: (qmail 2940 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:29:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4D9E180C3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A772E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27226E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D33CE47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so404677wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.153.203 with SMTP id l11mr5202032wbw.11.1273580964308; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h22sm18081540wbh.3.2010.05.11.05.29.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:29:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE947E5.4060808@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4BE947E5.4060808@verizon.net> Message-Id: <319E4CE3-C83C-4F33-9EFE-245AFA0DBFAA@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:29:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be94db0310287801554290 They look very good, Nicholas, especially the second one. Chris Nicholas Herndon wrote: > Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of > their flowers around dusk. Just got the film back last night. OM-2n > and OMZ 100/2, wide open or close to it, hand held with expired Fuji > 800NPZ shot at 640. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4593880273/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pooroldpunch/4594494474/ > > This lens is remarkable! I'm awaiting the arrival of a Panasonic GH1 > this week, and cannot wait to test out the lens on a m4/3rds body. -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:31:42 2010 Received: (qmail 11369 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:31:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC553E180AD for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E56E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DEB34AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C22134AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.213.223]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2900LP59DB95R1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BE94DB3.4050200@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:29:39 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What is recommended OM optimal CLA interval? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:31:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be94e2e13711073733319 X sync lockey thing was mailed yesterday 5/10. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just looked inside my OM-2. Time has gone by. Seals work OK and > exposure still reasonably accurate. It can't last forever and I don't > want any trouble while traveling. Perhaps John has that X-sync switch > protector to add to the CLA work. Picked up the ruined rolls--UGH. > Couldn't reach him by e-mail--perhaps exceedingly busy. The latter is > a good thing. > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:40:41 2010 Received: (qmail 29767 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:40:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9ECE18099 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B01E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9E4E47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41146E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7661 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 12:40:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 12:40:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:40:34 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What is recommended OM optimal CLA interval? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:40:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9504925251234514069 I would certainly recommend a CLA for any OM that's never had one or for one which has gone quite a few years... especially if you're traveling and failure might ruin a lot of important stuff. The problem is that it can fail silently (eg, shutter speed off) and you won't know it until too late. My experience with CLAs from John is that, even if it's functioning correctly today, you won't recognize the feel of the camera when it comes back. You've already forgotten how buttery smooth the camera was when new. It'll come back from John with the same buttery smooth feeling as new. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just looked inside my OM-2. Time has gone by. Seals work OK and > exposure still reasonably accurate. It can't last forever and I don't > want any trouble while traveling. Perhaps John has that X-sync switch > protector to add to the CLA work. Picked up the ruined rolls--UGH. > Couldn't reach him by e-mail--perhaps exceedingly busy. The latter is > a good thing. > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:44:24 2010 Received: (qmail 27384 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:44:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4AE180B7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB5E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82CC34AC028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408DA34AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10249 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 12:44:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 12:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE95120.1000806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:44:16 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Happy Ending [was Re: Darkside anyone?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:44:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be95128318291560218263 Great news! Chuck Norcutt (who lives in Endwell, New York) :-) Tom Fenwick wrote: > I took the camera into a friendly repair shop, they cleaned the sensor while > I waited and made some reassuring comments about the state of everything > else. At which point my Dad was unable to resist buying it for himself at > the advertised price. > > All's well that ends well. > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:46:33 2010 Received: (qmail 28879 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:46:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A73E1809A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E72E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E934AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0812534AC028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4BCjTXk018948 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:45:30 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <095BE9F510A14632B44F87251D829D3E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:45:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: anyexperience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:46:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be951a9245633900897491 "ALL"? With only the kit lens may be but the m4/3 is a system, consider you can add a 9-18mm superwide or even a manual Pen FT lens: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P4170730.jpg (Pen FT 150mm F4) BTW, the movie mode of E-P is much better if you care. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" > > The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact size. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 14:55:41 2010 Received: (qmail 5979 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 12:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 12:55:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E01EE180B9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1991E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DA0E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F1DE47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so2498124gya.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.198.23 with SMTP id a23mr2099186anq.231.1273582533492; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 05:55:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 14:55:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be953cd228312439112457 Thanks all for the comments. >One of the true OM gems, Nicholas... I like your images >(subdued colours, shallow DOF, very much up my alley...) >Do you have access to a darkroom? You should try some >fine-grained black and white + analogue prints to really >make it sing. >And I am sure it will make a splendid 200mm-equiv telephoto >on your GH1, although the combination will be a bit lens-heavy :-) >Dawid Dawid, I unfortunately do not have access to a darkroom, though I do develop at home (I just don't print). Maybe one day... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 15:01:06 2010 Received: (qmail 24942 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 13:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:01:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9CBE180AB for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87335E240D3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE17E4B23E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89609E4B23D for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:00:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com (mail-ew0-f216.google.com [209.85.219.216]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1209329ewy.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.129 with SMTP id g1mr562025hbh.181.1273582858180; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:00:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 15:01:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9551268281076813867 There are places I DO NOT want to get sunburned! Charlie On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Willie Wonka wrote: > ...documented the event: > > http://www.wngd.org/ > > Boris > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 15:19:57 2010 Received: (qmail 4388 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 13:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:19:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9656CE1809D for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC16E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDBBE47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B51AE47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3384 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 13:19:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 15:19:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9597d120721006886880 I'll choose parsecs since any part of my body is evenly divisible into an integer multiple and I don't have to memorize any silly decimal or binary or hexadecimal points. (at least close enough that the rounding error is trivial) :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: >> If everything is better in decimal, why don't we have 10 hours days of >> 100 minutes each? Just sayin' :-) > > > Because when Robespierre attempted to introduce such a thing, > recalcitrant old farts like you sabotaged it! > > Body sense? How many fingers do you have around your parts? 12? > (Hmmmm....) > A base ten system makes a lot more sense than any other, whether the > basic stride length unit is arbitrary or not. > However, in the interests of fair play, I'll include conversions into > versts, bushells, cwt., cubits and parsecs in future. > Which parts of your body do they correspond to? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 11/05/2010, at 7:52 AM, Moose wrote: > >> The old, sort of English system still in common use here makes a lot >> of >> sense to me at the level of living personal life. An inch is the >> length >> of the end part of my index finger, the span of the four fingers of my >> hand is 6 in., my foot is about a foot long, elbow to fingertip is 18 >> in., the distance from nose to fingertip stretched out to the side >> is a >> yard, and thus the span of my reach is two yards or six feet. >> >> There is nothing about the metric system that has anything like the >> body >> level sense of the old English system of measurement. >> >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 15:35:45 2010 Received: (qmail 28959 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 13:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:35:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F68E180CB for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CFBE24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACC334AC02E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF76534AC030 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4057639fxm.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.192.79 with SMTP id d15mr528715hbi.160.1273584938212; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:35:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 15:35:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be95d31101065368819438 On 11 May 2010 11:26, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> > A base ten system makes a lot more sense than any other, whether the > basic stride length unit is arbitrary or not. Oh I don't know - a friend of mine used to argue that duodecimal (base 12) would be better since it's easier to divide into 2, 3, 4 and 6 whereas 10 is only divisible by 2 and 5, and groups of 5 don't happen as often. Harder to count on your fingers though. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 15:38:15 2010 Received: (qmail 9748 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 13:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:38:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5121BE1809C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFE6E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4930A34AC02D for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF2834AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1397699wwb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.143.11 with SMTP id s11mr5295556wbu.159.1273585088232; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm2818254wbb.2.2010.05.11.06.38.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:38:05 +0100 Message-Id: <933D15F4-A7E0-4E9D-9431-E4D27F1986D5@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 15:38:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be95dc7263832439112457 Divide "by", 2,3,4 and 6? I agree, if that's what you meant. There was nothing wrong with our duodecimal system of monetarycurrency and I'm now sorry that we got rid of it. Chris On 11 May 2010, at 14:35, Ian Nichols wrote: > Oh I don't know - a friend of mine used to argue that duodecimal (base > 12) would be better since it's easier to divide into 2, 3, 4 and 6 > whereas 10 is only divisible by 2 and 5, and groups of 5 don't happen > as often. Harder to count on your fingers though. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 15:58:14 2010 Received: (qmail 22488 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 13:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:58:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F442E180C7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3E0E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D375E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4776E4B226 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13716 invoked from network); 11 May 2010 13:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 May 2010 13:58:07 -0000 Message-Id: <49C6C81F-1C17-4BC9-A005-FD83595B1689@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <933D15F4-A7E0-4E9D-9431-E4D27F1986D5@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:58:06 +1000 References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> <933D15F4-A7E0-4E9D-9431-E4D27F1986D5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 15:58:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96276316591612113968 You men - there were 24 shillings to the pound? Don't remember that! And as for pounds, ounces, rods, chains, furlongs - what are they divisible by? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/05/2010, at 11:38 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Divide "by", 2,3,4 and 6? I agree, if that's what you meant. There > was nothing wrong with our duodecimal system of monetarycurrency and > I'm now sorry that we got rid of it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:00:53 2010 Received: (qmail 29550 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:00:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885FEE1808E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB013E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D134AC02E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FFC34AC02B for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:14765 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBq0r-00052B-0q for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <4BE96305.8060000@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:00:37 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <655752B8-57F5-4A06-AB54-A706CC1BA7AE@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <655752B8-57F5-4A06-AB54-A706CC1BA7AE@threeshoes.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] While on the subject of Aperture - anyone using nik sharpener 3.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:00:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9631572951234514069 I have now reinstalled my computer equipment back into the office I share with my wife - we had to move out due of there to the house needing a total rewire and while they did that I got cat6 ethernet cable put in every room. anyway now I can print images again. I have been less than pleased with my results from the 5D2, its not that they are bad just not better than the E-3 which according to the web it should be clearly capable of delivering better images than I can coax out of it. So going back to basics please correct me if my reasoning or thoughts are wrong I shoot raw so the only variables I need to consider when taking the photo are aperture, shutter, iso and focus - I just need to watch the metering and focus and forget about all other functions. Once the raw file is copied to the computer the raw processing play a part so assuming the original file is good I should be able to produce a good print. Now with Aperture3 ( I will stay with this because the raw processing is good enough and the benefits of the catalog outweigh any minuses) and calibrated screens I see colours in the print that pretty much match the image on one screen, however the images just don't look as good printed and when I study the print very closely I see lots of what appears grain. When I say one screen, I have a dual display setup with a 24" for main display and a 20" 1600x1200 rotated for showing the image. On teh 24" dell the image is quite soft and unfortunately if I up teh sharpness settinbg on it it makes the text look horrible, a great screen for multimedia but not so good for photo's. The 20" displays the image nice and sharp. Last night I played with the nik sharpener pro 3.0 (demo ) plugin for aperture and it allows the sharpening to be done just before print (as you all advise) you tell it where to output it e.g display or print then if print what type of paper and then you have some sliders to play with to vary strength etc. The thing that puzzles me is that sharpening should be done at the output size and as I am working on the raw file I don't see where to tell the nik software I will print at A4 although I do tell it the resolution of the print eg 2880x1440. Is anyone else using this software Do I need to downsize before I sharpen, I found a nice review here but I am still at a loss. The reason I am posting is the hope that someone has some tips to save me wasting paper on test prints.. This is sort of ON topic as I want to get the best from my OM glass and E-3 Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:06:59 2010 Received: (qmail 24748 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:06:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:06:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A8DE1808E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B7FE24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44457E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CD5E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so3283399ywh.26 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.55.38 with SMTP id d38mr10056472yba.151.1273586813194; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:06:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: u-j8rTkqIAC3ka-6hx_y7IWIJA0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What is recommended OM optimal CLA interval? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:06:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96483153851342116753 I'm planning on sending both my OM-2S and OM-4T to John at some point here (separately). I'm hoping that he can fix the thumb advance on the 4T as it is slipping, which forces me to use the motordrive with that camera. Since 1986, my OM-2S has had a total of three service visits/CLAs. Each time the camera comes back and just seems to be a totally different camera. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:10:00 2010 Received: (qmail 29234 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:09:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734B8E1805F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C4E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0524AE47228 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10F1E47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:5176 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBq8d-0006Z4-DB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:08:42 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:10:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96538118011342116753 */The professor knows best.......... /* */An English professor wrote the words: "A woman without her man is nothing" on the chalkboard and asked his students to punctuate it correctly. /* */All of the males in the class wrote: "A woman, without her man, is nothing." /* */Are you ready for this............? /* */All the females in the class wrote: "A woman: without her, man is nothing." /* */Punctuation is powerful. Have a great day! /* -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:12:48 2010 Received: (qmail 1871 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C99E180A4 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88095E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE07E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEF9E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so256714eye.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.74 with SMTP id h10mr600269hbi.115.1273587113248; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:11:53 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:12:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be965e099131342116753 5 is a very common number in nature (as in petals, sea stars, etc...), and my favorite volume is the dodecahedron, combining 5 with 12, best of both worlds? Iwert 2010/5/11 Ian Nichols : > > Oh I don't know - a friend of mine used to argue that duodecimal (base > 12) would be better since it's easier to divide into 2, 3, 4 and 6 > whereas 10 is only divisible by 2 and 5, and groups of 5 don't happen > as often. =A0Harder to count on your fingers though. > > -- -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:16:56 2010 Received: (qmail 22446 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:16:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B35E1805F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB12E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E268E4B23D for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1FFE4B23C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4BEGkGL014009 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:16:47 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <095BE9F510A14632B44F87251D829D3E@MAIN> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:16:27 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Some odd buy and sell X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:16:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be966d8190821879814018 Not OT, all Olympus items :-) Is there any Olympus AF collectors? I have the following items, can exchange with Pen FT lens especially the 38/1.8 and Pen FT (will consider non working one). AF 50mm F2.8 Macro - original caps, like new in box with manual and soft case. $60 AF 24mm F2.8 - same as above, $60 AF 35-105mm - Excellent plus (~90% new), with box, manual and soft case. $60 AF 28mm F2.8 - Excellent plus with box and manual. $30 OM-101 with AF50/1.8 - in Excellent minus condition, with manual adapter. Good working condition. - $60 Worldwide shipping is around $8-$20, depends on the weight. Pls contact me offlist: ch_photo@accura.com.hk C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:30:51 2010 Received: (qmail 31495 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:30:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C1FE180BC for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE95E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538E334AC030 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901B34AC02F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f201.google.com (mail-qy0-f201.google.com [209.85.221.201]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so5943367qyk.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.34.219 with SMTP id m27mr3885299qad.54.1273588237771; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.27.136 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:30:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:30:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96a1b321551073733319 Thanks for the laugh. I'll be sending this one on to my wife. Paul C. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:33:21 2010 Received: (qmail 25402 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1B9E18087 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B68E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD5434AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A39734AC027 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so518136wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.145 with SMTP id c17mr5321046wbw.157.1273588347205; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x14sm49402317wbs.6.2010.05.11.07.32.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <49C6C81F-1C17-4BC9-A005-FD83595B1689@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:32:25 +0100 Message-Id: <75B7B92F-743F-446C-B86B-D992739AAEDE@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> <933D15F4-A7E0-4E9D-9431-E4D27F1986D5@threeshoes.net> <49C6C81F-1C17-4BC9-A005-FD83595B1689@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:33:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96ab183201413256596 Divisible by other numbers ... :-) No, 20 shillings to the pound, but the pound was a bit new-fangled compared to the guinea, wasn't it? Chris On 11 May 2010, at 14:58, Andrew Fildes wrote: > You men - there were 24 shillings to the pound? Don't remember that! > And as for pounds, ounces, rods, chains, furlongs - what are they > divisible by? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:33:25 2010 Received: (qmail 9841 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:33:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49746E180C4 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278CBE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A3AE4722A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DCCE47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so259783eye.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.77 with SMTP id w13mr556502hbh.196.1273588310947; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE96305.8060000@picturepedia.org> References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <655752B8-57F5-4A06-AB54-A706CC1BA7AE@threeshoes.net> <4BE96305.8060000@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:31:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001485f19a62dd383f04865262de Subject: Re: [OM] While on the subject of Aperture - anyone using nik sharpener 3.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:33:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96ab5295991234514069 --001485f19a62dd383f04865262de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First question: what color gamut can your displays display, and are the screens color calibrated? Second: I use the "autumn hues.pf2" picture style when using the 5D, you should be able to upload the style to the camera. To my taste the colour is much better. For the 5D I also see I have to compensate at least +1 stop when using aperture priority. I use the canon software for developing by the way, it is only there one can opt for the "autumn hues"... don't know about aperture. I'll attach the pf2, it is small anyway. Iwert 2010/5/11 SwissPace : > I have now reinstalled my computer equipment =A0back into the office I > share with my wife - we had to move out due of there to the house > needing a total rewire and while they did that I got cat6 ethernet cable > put in every room. anyway now I can print images again. > > I have been less than pleased with my results from the 5D2, its not that > they are bad just not better than the E-3 which =A0according to the web i= t > should be clearly capable of delivering better images than I can coax > out of it. =A0So going back to basics please correct me if my reasoning o= r > thoughts are wrong > > I shoot raw so the only variables I need to consider when taking the > photo are aperture, shutter, iso and focus =A0- I just need to watch the > metering and focus and forget about all other functions. > > Once the raw file is copied to the computer the raw processing play a > part so assuming the original file is good I should be able to produce a > good print. Now with Aperture3 ( I will stay with this because the raw > processing is good enough and the benefits of the catalog outweigh any > minuses) and calibrated screens I see colours in the print that pretty > much match the image on one screen, however the images =A0just don't look > as good printed and when I study the print very closely =A0I see lots of > what appears grain. > > When I say one screen, I have a dual display setup with a 24" for main > display and a 20" 1600x1200 rotated for showing the image. On teh 24" > dell the image is quite soft and unfortunately if I up teh sharpness > settinbg on it it makes the text look horrible, a great screen for > multimedia but not so good for photo's. The 20" displays the image nice > and sharp. > > Last night I played with the =A0nik sharpener pro 3.0 (demo ) plugin for > aperture and it allows the sharpening to be done just before print (as > you all advise) you tell it where to output it e.g display or print then > if print what type of paper and then you have some sliders to play with > to vary strength etc. The thing that puzzles me is that sharpening > should be done at the output size and as I am working on the raw file I > don't see where to tell the nik software I will print at A4 although I > do tell it the resolution of the print eg 2880x1440. =A0Is anyone else > using this software > > Do I need to downsize before I sharpen, =A0I found a nice review here > > but I am still at a loss. The reason I am posting is the hope that > someone has some tips to save me wasting paper on test prints.. > > This is sort of ON topic as I want to get the best from my OM glass and E= -3 > > Thanks IanW > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > --001485f19a62dd383f04865262de Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="WW05_AUTUMN_HUES.pf2" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WW05_AUTUMN_HUES.pf2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_g92tj3b80 AAAgAFBTUAAAAATTosDXjcgNaCxqfLcIUwpsrKBEMCsxTsfaOgr9eX9fHs3vIobKCXPdzDXZC0O9 pJ4MIpewzQTBmFQyqgCxhc7PV4/aWmBukwRuazeTfL0mpYrUrQoDRucN12SRGtRHa3/InRNfjnrx B4poMYIr+7xL0Q498+N8oULqJa8PUzyjqW47YmY7iyANInj1x798GgvFfS4baIoDBm/VQSU1RWWg pvu7LGwEvsCOqrPrcyAu2cFDH1EPnedaJt7KSteggG7MqRRIbL9MEK9MOxALh+lDiSIGssZJuABn 2Q1dzHHk8Rd1oDXy3t8tVYihmLjqb+N1dHrwpmmmoaHOzkb9wOh2Ip6kLxBlws0lKlO8iu1DZoOz 8JT2WxHy62KPM2l9J8rKn5Q0soS8ocSWnXaJsDwgCAj5jzuPyV0HaX2UuXRbAmqqnkc73cCkOqa+ 2PYYMDC5uVhYx8cMNuORwy4u6Oj7+1NTurre3iUnKkqX4SrlZ3mddKFlaAbUryw73hduixV1IWyE TEwpKZeX9fxoNYNQP+qcLzIpU308dYjngqgM6dkXwtI3I9m3D/B3z3gSE4z40NiFW8tbONwG/LH9 DAspqIhG2BK57PLE2FGoX46HQp9on61dYrdf9liToPgumv3wiBpdXd8Z4uJrh4m4PH/ZXbmKoNfb G6sXKR0UU1X9luwtEtfEPIH7kRjPOgIUPWzXORYUDBtnXZjC4ZyHPxW3+v85YK7/SjLARVua24zB smBBpQ6EQjhyJQhZtaMfKE1FNzsEzNMgOMrzTNXPBsYynsisJ8JF7QJ698u5wILSO6gNbZJVQp6i RMwrM4PXOltLH/XBci1rDcpfXYJTL+uppTvwZjmLYA3JeBvHMny1nsXSLuxo1wM7bx5BkjVaZYik 6rviaKJVFXaLD+u7IOzZFkNfNJ3gMfdkqGSYVM6QWcwDFE1seEytuR4Q21XY/rx6AVdNzNfPAB3f M6JYL1W58KZHiMtOCS2XKLeYibiTLXg8rA+1xpZzRTjOst/KCehTnSs6RpOvw5hfVlpqVLa8WGCz PZRbpA0dK2IyM9p939oqa2tFEby8zRidnYuzPDx8rmpwcC+PoorVaWtup3QzIfhVn+08Yz+kPSe+ NBe+MBwE56fnLMo2NAKRRC//6IPpX1M+unve3bd3z7XZtXRGRkuddr8HBruEKMTWiCJ0t6uZk5Nr ALEpTdvo5dXyzq+/zIzQNSmsec+B34i/G3JMfHAVNFPbuagc9SNJiS3KvIswG8tJ8QQRDAJusdn8 03RfW0Z9FQnsi8RtUSxuwYe/W5fwUgIjQaBySnNfnIMr/RXp5RafhhkZ8eJ4eECtf3+raIiK0Jld 8qi/QRGUO66JeOdy+DB6ioj8+fzc20vI6h4p2gJ/0E10E3DmiJ6YVf0sqyl7AgS8CydbOxFVEw8o 2qDGvQujfomMFpyymoPcxKYoNVQnIGJkHywvURfXii3qyrAm4fvuGFaqXONjl8R9V48AE0YwpsyE dI8pAf/p3X9X5PbxE8U4KWAncMKN+OGIzg8L8/hgTfQd5NaP2rUxEvuB7MczXjtGsHVtTeh6iJpm VR1ZlAwBBtouV7vo/BcWl190+HBMINnnEjSGTe50m1LuGCTGWeRG51LwY+3IVJHFqBw= --001485f19a62dd383f04865262de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ --001485f19a62dd383f04865262de-- From nilsf Tue May 11 16:38:45 2010 Received: (qmail 11487 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BFE180C7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F57E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5305D34AC029 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C4534AC028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so521521wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.210 with SMTP id r18mr5403698wbu.81.1273588546535; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm3124925wbb.2.2010.05.11.07.35.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:35:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4BE96305.8060000@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <655752B8-57F5-4A06-AB54-A706CC1BA7AE@threeshoes.net> <4BE96305.8060000@picturepedia.org> Message-Id: <1149B38E-7E82-4890-8470-BD22268F01BC@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] While on the subject of Aperture - anyone using nik sharpener 3.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:38:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96bf595891560218263 I don't know, Ian, but in Aperture, Definition is enough sharpening for me. Chris On 11 May 2010, at 15:00, SwissPace wrote: > > Do I need to downsize before I sharpen, I found a nice review here > > but I am still at a loss. The reason I am posting is the hope that > someone has some tips to save me wasting paper on test prints.. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:38:45 2010 Received: (qmail 6163 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:38:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE35E180B2 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38169E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368BEE4722A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5774E47229 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1452241wwb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.9 with SMTP id i9mr5351455wbs.203.1273588437417; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm43921059wbd.16.2010.05.11.07.33.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:33:55 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:38:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96bf5222913900897491 Mo dibbly, Ian, mo dibbly! Chris On 11 May 2010, at 15:08, SwissPace wrote: > /* > */Punctuation is powerful. Have a great day! > /* -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:38:51 2010 Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:38:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEAEE180D8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95702E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91929E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D1FE47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so260477eye.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.16 with SMTP id n16mr578417hbh.175.1273588564595; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:36:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:38:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96bfb322701220213263 That's pretty good; I shall borrow it. Charlie On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:08 AM, SwissPace wrote: > > */The professor knows best.......... > /* > */An English professor wrote the words: "A woman without her man is > nothing" on the chalkboard and asked his students to punctuate it > correctly. > /* > */All of the males in the class wrote: "A woman, without her man, is > nothing." > /* > */Are you ready for this............? > /* > */All the females in the class wrote: "A woman: without her, man is > nothing." > /* > */Punctuation is powerful. Have a great day! > /* > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 16:45:49 2010 Received: (qmail 21627 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 14:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 14:45:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D0EE18093 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AFAE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A5434AC028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FE334AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so2567087gya.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.55.38 with SMTP id d38mr10105309yba.151.1273588783539; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:39:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o8Ru0qJ_VdXJbs8UetKJVrIF0Ao Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 16:45:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be96d9d300389730998309 I think we should use *Fibonacci numbers for our counting system. AG * -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 17:59:19 2010 Received: (qmail 25057 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 15:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 15:59:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CAE180B3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB016E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CAA34AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5E634AC028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13217 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 15:59:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 15:59:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE97ECE.9060701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:59:10 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> <39D0BD55-98E1-4EBD-BAAE-03DA92804E99@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <39D0BD55-98E1-4EBD-BAAE-03DA92804E99@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 17:59:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be97ed73856789618724 Thanks for the lesson. I think I've been making it plural my whole life. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Sorry Ken, but it's time for me to be a bit of a pedant, just for once. > > That should be, "none of them is the X1". Because "none" means "not one". > > Chris > > On 11 May 2010, at 04:58, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Yeah, but none of them are the X1. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:08:38 2010 Received: (qmail 5310 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:08:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF672E1808E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F581E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0DEE47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB375E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22145 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 16:08:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 16:08:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE980FC.3060508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:08:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing autumn colours etc (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:08:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be98106168484877110844 Well, that was quite a long dissertation and I now understand very well your spending priorities. But what I don't understand is your inability to accept that the limitations you find with digital photography can be solved with the simple expedient of setting a -2/3 exposure compensation on the camera. Just go do it. It's simple and you'll be happier. :-) Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > I'd like to respond to a few of the points people made in the last few > Digests. > > First, a bit of background ... > > I'll be 72 this year. I married when I was 42, and for a few years we had > a happy > > life, but from the age of about 3 of my youngest, things started to turn > to custard; I > > would have been about 48. At the same time the then Labour government of > NZ, to pay > > back environmentalists for support during the parliamentary election, > totally > > disestablished the NZ Forest Service, so that along with all the rest of > the staff > > (3,000) I lost my job. This was the first of what was to become known > internationally > > as "the New Zealand madness". 3,000 doesn't sound like many, in the > context of much > > larger countries, but in NZ, this was huge. > > I managed to find another job to use my skills (Fisheries, this time), at > half the > > salary, but in 1995 after 9 years there, along with 60 others, I was laid > off. This > > was Nov. 1995. Unemployment was running at 15+%, and nobody wanted an > overskilled 57 > > year old. I tried all sorts of things but could not find work. > > Fortunately, I had invested from the first day of my employment in the > Forest Service, > > in an inflation-proofed superanuation scheme, and by 1995 I had been > paying in for 42 > > years. This kept the bread on the table, and both our kids got a good > education. I > > note however, that I enjoyed my professional work in the Forest Service so > much that I > > wanted to keep working in it until I was 70. It was a very productive and > fulfilling > > career, and I know of very few to rival it. > > I stayed in the marriage so that I could be with my kids, fortunately the > house was > > big enough that I could live in a part of it quite separate from my > estranged spouse. > > It was a very lonely existence however, and I have to say that joining > this group of > > Zuikoholics - and access to general e-mail as well, kept me company and > sane, more > > than you can imagine. And not to overlook all I learned about OM cameras > and Zuiko > > lenses. > > During this period I did several things that the computer enabled me to > do. One, a > > world first, was to list in easy computer-accessible form, all 12,800 or > so of the > > fern species of the world. I was assisted by a German man I met on the > internet. > See http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/fern/ > > I also wrote a couple of books, one self-published, on NZ forestry topics. > http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/book/ > > I also chaired a committee which ran a major family reunion in 2006. > See http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/SFR/SFR4.htm > for pictures. > >>From early in 2006 an unexpected series of events made me think that my > kids were > > pretty-much able to look after themselves, and that I should get out of > the current > > sham of a marriage and find a new partner. A series of events led me to > the site > http://www.findsomeone.co.nz) which at that time had 55,000 New > Zealanders ( in > > addition to others in the UK, Canada and Australia sites) > > That has led me to my new partner, Maggie (Margaret), who lived(s) in > Central Otago. > > So this has resulted in us buying a house together. We have each put in > about $200,000 > > NZ; me as cash ( all my savings) and her half of what she will get when > she sells a > > house she owns locally. At $400,000NZ this house is about at the national > median price > > over the last year. Not an expensive house by some standards, and I have > just a half > > share. > > $400,000 is equivalent to $285,364.15 USD, 224,112.07 EUR, 192,733.24 > GBP, 297,602.12 > > CAD (Canadian), 321,351.39 AUD (Australian), 316,378.63 CHF (Swiss > francs), > > 2,198,698.81 ZAR (South Africa Rand), and 5,738,319.65 UYU (Uruguay peso). > > Having bought this house, I'm living off my income. I do not have buckets > of cash. > > While the house has 5 'bedrooms', since there are 4 of us living in it > (Maggie, me, > > Chris her 40-year-old son on a medical disability pension, and his 7 > year-old daughter > > (Chris's wife died of cancer on daughter's 2nd birthday), the house is > full; one is my > > study and one is the TV room to take the TV and its nonsense programs out > of 'in our > > face' especially at mealtimes. 3 bedrooms used as such. > > At age nearly 72, there is an element of "live life while you can" in what > I do; who > > knows if I'll live another 5 minutes, 5 years, 10 years, or even 20? > > One of the devices I used as a carrot to hold in front of myself, as > encouragement to > > succeed with separation, was my boat which I had put into storage. I used > to do a lot > > of fishing using that boat, but after the powerful van I once towed it > with was stolen > > and trashed (burned) along with $6,000 worth of "stuff" I could not use > the boat again > > as I had nothing to tow it with. Raising two teenagers made it impossible. > > Now I do have a towing vehicle; but it turns out I have bought a real > 'white elephant' > > in the form of the Range Rover. It looks great, the body is fine, and it > is great to > > drive; but it is very unreliable, and parts are very expensive. I was > looking to buy a > > Nissan Terrano G3R or a Toyota Surf 3L turbo 1997, both of which are > reliable and > > powerful enough. And tripped over the RR on the Trademe site. Some time I > will be > > quit of it but not until I have finished moving and given the boat a few > runs with it. > > The reasons I bought a 4x4 include; towing boat, access to mountain areas > over rough > > tracks and access to snow-covered landscapes for photography, and with > climate control > > for the summertime benefit of my partner who is unable to cope with high > summer > > temperatures when travelling - due to a severe head injury some 6 years > ago. > > Getting my boat recommissioned (including the trailer road-certified) > after 20 years > > storage is a top priority. So also is lifting the roof of our garage by > about 30cm, > > and substantially lengthening it so it will take the boat and some > vehicles. The > > target time for this is about 2 years away. Some time I will post pictures > of the back > > of our house, and also my two biggest bookcases which I hauled up into the > study. I > > had intended to use facebook, but I don't trust facebook's intentions with > the > > uploading add-on they now insist that I install on whatever computer I > happen to be > > using. And I'm away from my base in Christchurch with my own computer > which has the > > programs to upload to my photography site. > > Thanks to Chuck's guidance, I can now add terabytes of storage to my > computer. All the > > advice I got told me that the motherboard would not recognise more than > about 132 > > gigabytes. In a simple hook-up test my computer man demonstrated it would > recognise at > > least 500 GB. He also did a massive defragmentation using a program be > bought; this > > has speeded up my machine hugely, but I'm not sure about it being fast > enough to deal > > with RAW files. > I have this idea in my head that a technology ( digital imaging - digital > cameras ) > > is/are a somewhat deficient process that just HAS to improve over time if > it can't > > cope with highlights such as those generated from back-lit or strongly > front-lit > > autumn leaves, and relies instead on third party inventions. But I also > suspect that > > not enough digital photographers care enough to cause the camera companies > to make > > that sort of improvement. > > Anyway, this is a long way of saying that there are other items in the > spending queue > > ahead of a new computer. What I have, will have to do, for a while yet. > Doing RAW > > files will probably have to wait a bit. And the labs that do the best > printing here > > insist on TIFF files. > > Brian Swale > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:13:21 2010 Received: (qmail 30019 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:13:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACE7E18094 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8007E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB6F34AC029 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A5F34AC030 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23903 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 16:10:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 16:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE98174.7060903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:10:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:13:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be98221193459752976205 What's the definition of "photos". Web images or 4x6 prints? Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's over DSLR's. > Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. The G's are > incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. > > During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played with the E-P. I > noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I also noticed a > couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and spend the > extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk them out of that > decision and look at the G11. > > The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact > size. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:16:53 2010 Received: (qmail 25028 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:16:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38279E180A9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8686E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A87B34AC034 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE19734AC032 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 82526 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2010 16:16:42 -0000 Message-ID: <869746.80641.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: t7Y6E7AVM1n1vNZJ.0mWbeRK7Xf6ATjHxh4_Dpn.8oJ7ptk Q2vtuCwcCVPTqZrH4I27gxEyoNJj.unP2hXPC7tOTBCYVAd8Jj.fb3zk6RD9 1akigC3NKNVbyamyYKUAUF2Z1VijTSETzzE7FucD4B_Sx4LFaE2S3w.FPNzI o.EqaL0RgGRO2wHZCzQXwuWa8iMqK04M1xTNqunOFhfAcyM_WNWTcuC2zjIW kIXJyn.OLEbl0RkxqYxnzZMsdYchlGpDTJbwD0MJAyDihpVSjmxMdiFkd09o P1xVjLmFFQBeWJ4pa7mnWH8TzGaEeVJPop7lt4aYE2sc- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE98174.7060903@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:16:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be982f573721076813867 Enlargements printed at a lab. - > > Chuck Norcutt > > AS wrote: > > I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's > over DSLR's. > > Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. > The G's are > > incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. > > > > During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played > with the E-P. I > > noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I > also noticed a > > couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and > spend the > > extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk > them out of that > > decision and look at the G11. > > > > The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a > very compact > > size. > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:25:08 2010 Received: (qmail 26347 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:25:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88640E180B9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0638AE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4DD34AC025 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBCC34AC02A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so625921wyb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.154.67 with SMTP id n3mr5425122wbw.216.1273595068601; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm32355554wbd.22.2010.05.11.09.24.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE980FC.3060508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:24:26 +0100 Message-Id: <5DBCAD79-5A56-4E56-BA63-6C695FBD6D56@threeshoes.net> References: <4BE980FC.3060508@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing autumn colours etc (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:25:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be984e4139262517112723 :-) On 11 May 2010, at 17:08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, that was quite a long dissertation and I now understand very well > your spending priorities. But what I don't understand is your inability > to accept that the limitations you find with digital photography can be > solved with the simple expedient of setting a -2/3 exposure compensation > on the camera. Just go do it. It's simple and you'll be happier. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:30:36 2010 Received: (qmail 8404 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:30:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DACCE1809F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D402E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64531E47228 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8C6E4B226 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so1564696wwb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.20 with SMTP id u20mr5457464wbt.134.1273595241548; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x14sm49981351wbs.18.2010.05.11.09.27.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4BE97ECE.9060701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:27:19 +0100 Message-Id: <4BE5A8E6-EB23-4011-9184-3A5C36FF9C86@threeshoes.net> References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> <34901CD6-8C66-4E3F-9F26-717CF6D01289@threeshoes.net> <4BE87096.8020900@gmail.com> <4BE8C975.9070109@gmail.com> <4BE8D532.2040600@gmail.com> <39D0BD55-98E1-4EBD-BAAE-03DA92804E99@threeshoes.net> <4BE97ECE.9060701@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:30:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9862c326931560218263 So have most people of my age in this country, Chuck. But at least you know what "plural" means; I'm not sure that that has been taught in schools here for a couple of decades. Certainly a couple of colleagues last week seemed less than certain of the number of the subject, or indeed what constituted a subject. I know, it's my own personal form of OCD ... Chris On 11 May 2010, at 16:59, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks for the lesson. I think I've been making it plural my whole > life. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:30:41 2010 Received: (qmail 1573 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:30:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADBFE180C1 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A944EE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D04434AC02F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AE234AC02E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 77673 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2010 16:27:30 -0000 Message-ID: <436708.77357.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: buGD1b0VM1mo4rZ8B1pOZyvfKCzKkEXYjiYRttvFk_zZ8t4 abeMF7uNysACG2slKaM7isn_WZK8newQrHUdQxwgQU_1Oo..Ee5sx4ueAJWV 42V3dJoJgR46wpiGp8Pt53GroPqhUusO93qo13DaW4qLV2xp_oFPU65HCN6O KJ8HDgNdsQhGrR6vycgesqp0vzY1OhuZ4XeZKtZYpBo2GFy7jCId86d8DeWA criL5PMyRo.dCBX397rC2bKDJRniIZ5q0I2HWjxd5DYRPd4H7P197JrJbbg- - Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE980FC.3060508@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] GS Prints X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:30:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be98631322595683411216 There is manipulation involved in the images taken using the G11, which "enhances" the image. Anyhow I am not here to be a "fanboy"...just thought I'd add my $0.0002. I think the E-P is in a different class anyway. Now Sony introduced their micro series. Comparison will be interesting. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 18:59:09 2010 Received: (qmail 17731 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 16:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 16:59:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55EE18091 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08D4E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35C4E47229 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80AE47228 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5191 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 16:59:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100511-0, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] While on the subject of Aperture - anyone using nik sharpener 3.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 18:59:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be98cdd148105368819438 I don't have a 5D2 (5D only) and know nothing of Aperture or Nik Sharpener. However, as I consider your complaint I suspect that you are confusing what is called by Bruce Fraser "capture sharpening" with "output sharpening". Capture sharpening is very subtle and can be performed on a raw file as is done by Adobe Camera Raw. This level of sharpening is very subtle and is to be performed at a minimum of 100% and perhaps as much as 400% image size. While Fraser goes into some detailed objectives for this level of sharpening its fundamental purpose is to zero in and first do noise cleanup and sharpening at the pixel level in order to prepare the image for the second stage of sharpening called "output sharpening". This level of sharpening is *not visible* to the eye on a downsized image for print. If you are only sharpening during the raw image processing then I suspect your real problem is that you're only doing capture sharpening and aren't doing any output sharpening at all. As you have hinted, output sharpening is only to be done to a specific image which has been cropped and sized and possibly resampled for a specific print size. Only then is it ready to be output sharpened. Fraser spends a large part of his book "Real World Image Sharpening with Adobe PhotoShop X" (where X can be CS2 or CS3 since he died just before CS3 was released) discussing how to do proper output sharpening but I have summarized here before a simplified take on his procedure. 1) Crop and resize the image to final output pixel dimensions. For example, an 8x10" print at 300 ppi should be 2400x3000 pixels. 2) Display the image on screen at roughly 25-35%. The reason for doing this is to compensate for the large pixels on the screen relative to the small dots in a print. His actual rule is to display according to a percentage given by 100 x screen resolution / print resolution So, for a typical screen resolving about 90 pixels per inch and for a print at 300 pixels per inch we get 100 x 90 / 300 = 30%. 3) Finally, sharpen the image on screen until it looks just very slightly "crunchy" or just slightly oversharpened. The reason for the slight crunchiness is that the printing process will have a slight softening effect. For ink jet printing its caused by the ink droplets flowing and spreading a bit on impact. I don't know the physical mechanism for chemical prints but it still seems to work the same way. You need to very slightly oversharpen to compensate for printing. Works for me! Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > I have now reinstalled my computer equipment back into the office I > share with my wife - we had to move out due of there to the house > needing a total rewire and while they did that I got cat6 ethernet cable > put in every room. anyway now I can print images again. > > I have been less than pleased with my results from the 5D2, its not that > they are bad just not better than the E-3 which according to the web it > should be clearly capable of delivering better images than I can coax > out of it. So going back to basics please correct me if my reasoning or > thoughts are wrong > > I shoot raw so the only variables I need to consider when taking the > photo are aperture, shutter, iso and focus - I just need to watch the > metering and focus and forget about all other functions. > > Once the raw file is copied to the computer the raw processing play a > part so assuming the original file is good I should be able to produce a > good print. Now with Aperture3 ( I will stay with this because the raw > processing is good enough and the benefits of the catalog outweigh any > minuses) and calibrated screens I see colours in the print that pretty > much match the image on one screen, however the images just don't look > as good printed and when I study the print very closely I see lots of > what appears grain. > > When I say one screen, I have a dual display setup with a 24" for main > display and a 20" 1600x1200 rotated for showing the image. On teh 24" > dell the image is quite soft and unfortunately if I up teh sharpness > settinbg on it it makes the text look horrible, a great screen for > multimedia but not so good for photo's. The 20" displays the image nice > and sharp. > > Last night I played with the nik sharpener pro 3.0 (demo ) plugin for > aperture and it allows the sharpening to be done just before print (as > you all advise) you tell it where to output it e.g display or print then > if print what type of paper and then you have some sliders to play with > to vary strength etc. The thing that puzzles me is that sharpening > should be done at the output size and as I am working on the raw file I > don't see where to tell the nik software I will print at A4 although I > do tell it the resolution of the print eg 2880x1440. Is anyone else > using this software > > Do I need to downsize before I sharpen, I found a nice review here > > but I am still at a loss. The reason I am posting is the hope that > someone has some tips to save me wasting paper on test prints.. > > This is sort of ON topic as I want to get the best from my OM glass and E-3 > > Thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 20:25:01 2010 Received: (qmail 19220 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 18:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 18:25:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476FAE1809C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8CBE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A127E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC001E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so457028vws.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:24:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.230.193 with SMTP id jn1mr277118qcb.181.1273602170791; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.226.137 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:22:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net> <7D52CD39-5DAC-4694-9CCD-C9F753C9FB78@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 04:22:20 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus Viewer 2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 20:25:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9a0fd166311946193717 Thank-you, David. Yes, I can and I do. It's just an irritating step that I would like to avoid, if I could only get Snow Leopard to support it "natively". Cheers, Marc On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > Hi Marc, > > You can convert them to DNG with Adobe DNG Converter. Apple Aperture supports DNG. Remember to turn off "Convert to linear image" in Adobe DNG converter. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 20:30:32 2010 Received: (qmail 24744 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 18:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 18:30:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19161E18093 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56B3E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8529E4722A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC1E47228 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16313 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2010 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@98.234.93.81) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2010 18:30:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4BE9A23B.9040303@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:30:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Slippin' away X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 20:30:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9a248201171560218263 Sorry, at least a little, to abandon for a little while the interesting threads going on. We're off for a mini trip in the Turtle, as Carol has named our small RV. First stop is a State Park, so no WiFi. Back in a few ... Travelin' Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 20:57:47 2010 Received: (qmail 29162 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 18:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 18:57:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EC4E180C2 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F3CE24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70608E4722E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B83E4722C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so4447922fxm.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.129 with SMTP id g1mr613159hbh.181.1273604260224; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE9A23B.9040303@gmail.com> References: <4BE9A23B.9040303@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Slippin' away X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 20:57:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9a8ab104207801554290 Have a good trip Moose and happy shooting. Charlie On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Moose wrote: > Sorry, at least a little, to abandon for a little while the interesting > threads going on. > > We're off for a mini trip in the Turtle, as Carol has named our small > RV. First stop is a State Park, so no WiFi. > > Back in a few ... > > Travelin' Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 21:46:59 2010 Received: (qmail 28756 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 19:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 19:46:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC3FE1809A for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8FDE24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C073610003 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0318F3610002 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23643 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 19:46:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100511-1, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 21:46:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9b433118161006886880 I did that too and well as to my daughter and daughter-in-law. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Cox wrote: > Thanks for the laugh. I'll be sending this one on to my wife. > > Paul C. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 21:50:49 2010 Received: (qmail 7020 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 19:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 19:50:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D31AE180A2 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8D5E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C01E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C43E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 12:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25979 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100511-1, 05/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Slippin' away X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 21:50:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9b51936111073733319 Turtles are OK but be careful if you take it to Florida. I've seen big gators eat big turtles in a single chomp! :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Sorry, at least a little, to abandon for a little while the interesting > threads going on. > > We're off for a mini trip in the Turtle, as Carol has named our small > RV. First stop is a State Park, so no WiFi. > > Back in a few ... > > Travelin' Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 22:02:37 2010 Received: (qmail 24132 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC66CE180B8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97E1E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C63610007 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6A63610004 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100511200228.GMCQ14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:02:28 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id GL2U1e00G233qdw02L2UTD; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:02:28 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jEzMdEw2P4Psx6Pryhsn8ZKvN9MLoXbl3lyS2U/sgqI= c=1 sm=1 a=gbvNxY-nIxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Uzz5GJWbhdVlOriXbkkA:9 a=ldwJNzcOkJudbAEYmRIA:7 a=DAs6mlx2LqEyOZOzbY8H5ysYykMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <75EF979E314E4B76951546DE5123D1F0@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BE98174.7060903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 22:02:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9b7dd237385368819438 I have a friend wha toured Italy with but a single G10, came home, and printed at least to 20x24 or so, with fine results. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] > What's the definition of "photos". Web images or 4x6 prints? > > Chuck Norcutt > > AS wrote: >> I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's over DSLR's. >> Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. The G's are >> incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. >> >> During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played with the E-P. I >> noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I also noticed a >> couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and spend the >> extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk them out of that >> decision and look at the G11. >> >> The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact >> size. >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2867 - Release Date: 05/11/10 06:26:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 22:13:37 2010 Received: (qmail 5435 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 20:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:13:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C4FE18091 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CA1E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4854E3610006 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1FA3610007 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12148 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 20:13:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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[was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 22:13:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9ba71172161413256596 Can I assume all 20x24 images were taken in good light at base ISO? Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > I have a friend wha toured Italy with but a single G10, came home, and > printed at least to 20x24 or so, with fine results. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any > experience out there?] > > >> What's the definition of "photos". Web images or 4x6 prints? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> AS wrote: >>> I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's over DSLR's. >>> Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. The G's are >>> incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. >>> >>> During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played with the E-P. I >>> noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I also noticed a >>> couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and spend the >>> extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk them out of that >>> decision and look at the G11. >>> >>> The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact >>> size. >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2867 - Release Date: 05/11/10 > 06:26:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 22:35:36 2010 Received: (qmail 9971 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 20:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:35:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4C3E180A1 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA187E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B854FE47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFDAE47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29480 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2010 20:35:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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[was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: anyexperience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 22:35:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9bf98227262517112723 That's truly lovely, CH. I love the soft light and the bokeh is excellent. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > "ALL"? With only the kit lens may be but the m4/3 is a system, consider you > can add a 9-18mm superwide or even a manual Pen FT lens: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P4170730.jpg (Pen FT 150mm F4) > > BTW, the movie mode of E-P is much better if you care. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AS" > >> The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact size. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 22:47:11 2010 Received: (qmail 21301 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 20:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:47:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63795EDC00C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE26E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED16DE4B23B for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DDFE4B226 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4BKl5FO028771 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:47:05 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.ce3.6c0f0fef (55726) for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD031-d1c14be9c23ac8; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:46:59 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d107 (webmail-d107.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.201]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC012-d1c14be9c23ac8; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:46:50 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:46:50 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 May 2010 16:46:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBF6236CDF064-DDC-3B1A@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Slippin' away X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 22:47:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9c24f194921136683642 Moose says: Sorry, at least a little, to abandon for a little while the interesting threads going on. We're off for a mini trip in the Turtle, as Carol has named our small RV. First stop is a State Park, so no WiFi. Back in a few ... Travelin' Moose Have a nice trip. The Turtle has been a bonus for the Moose and the list with the nice images. Y'all hurray back, y'hear. Wanted you to eyeball the Sony Nex 5 images. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 22:56:19 2010 Received: (qmail 7601 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 20:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:56:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55784E180B5 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64747E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BCFE47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB25E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100511205608.ECLG7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:56:08 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id GLw81e003233qdw02Lw8oT; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:56:08 -0400 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=T_eq61U7ABUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=gb0qyhDuM83skMNTUkAA:9 a=lK0vfG_7Ky2bvr9NvCkA:7 a=JdpBuzUqpOPB3U9KJbe1uHhKHJUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BE98174.7060903@chucknorcutt.com><75EF979E314E4B76951546DE5123D1F0@SueHome> <4BE9BA6A.6010909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:56:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 22:56:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9c472283641076813867 Generally but not exclusively. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there?] > Can I assume all 20x24 images were taken in good light at base ISO? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Sue Pearce wrote: >> I have a friend wha toured Italy with but a single G10, came home, and >> printed at least to 20x24 or so, with fine results. >> >> Bill Pearce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any >> experience out there?] >> >> >>> What's the definition of "photos". Web images or 4x6 prints? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> AS wrote: >>>> I have friends who sometimes prefer to use their G10's over DSLR's. >>>> Its very hard to distinguish the difference in photos. The G's are >>>> incredibly capable, with the right amount of zoom. >>>> >>>> During my visit to Best Buy where I quickly played with the E-P. I >>>> noticed the G11 in the same section as the Dslr. I also noticed a >>>> couple trying to figure out if they should splurge and spend the >>>> extra to get a Rebel XS. I was very tempted to talk them out of that >>>> decision and look at the G11. >>>> >>>> The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact >>>> size. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2867 - Release Date: 05/11/10 >> 06:26:00 >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2867 - Release Date: 05/11/10 06:26:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 23:27:25 2010 Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 21:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 21:27:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA6AE18094 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1B0E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA76434AC04B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 23:27:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9cbbd50561413256596 As I eagerly await my baby in the mail, I see somebody listed a good- looking 3Ti + 50/1.4 (last generation) and 35-70/3.6 (quite rare) + T32 flash on the 'bay (#120568689384, ends May 18, 2010 11:37:20 PDT) US shipping only, but that starting bid of $1,500 is very reasonable, if anybody is in the market (no connection to seller, just notifying the list). all the best Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 11 23:45:42 2010 Received: (qmail 19840 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 21:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 11 23:45:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9d006100131234514069 JH says: X sync lockey thing was mailed yesterday 5/10. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html GREAT! Much appreciated. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 00:05:47 2010 Received: (qmail 24044 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 22:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 22:05:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71556E180A8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDC0E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C7E47229 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF3E47223 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4BM5Ugi026067 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:30 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c36.6c2ec827 (37228) for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-d4154be9d48d3bc; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:13 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d107 (webmail-d107.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.201]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD013-d4154be9d48d3bc; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:01 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:01 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31650-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 00:05:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9d4bb273189730998309 Doubt this would pry the G11 out of Moose's hand but has a movable LCD , compact but likely not compact enough. Needs a bit better optics and perhaps foldable compact zoom and then some nice Zeiss glass too. No AF with Sony alpha lenses is a drawback (aperture coupling works) but the larger sensor does make obvious difference at higher ISO's. Probably competes more with MFT. http://www.dpreview.com/news/1005/10051102sonynex.asp Preview On imaging-resource: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM side by side with G11: http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 00:57:35 2010 Received: (qmail 1531 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 22:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 22:57:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ACDE180B5 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F97E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E818E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAEBE47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7518 invoked from network); 11 May 2010 22:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 May 2010 22:57:23 -0000 Message-Id: <83847E07-2A5A-40E2-A892-2722E92EC8C2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:57:22 +1000 References: <8CCBEB57D7BDD65-195C-5945@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> <4BE95042.6030306@chucknorcutt.com> <4BE964EA.9060109@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] On the subject of punctation - and as a way of saying sorry for all my typos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 00:57:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9e0de289473900897491 No, sorry, this fails the logic test. It implies that in a college English class, all the male students knew how to use commas and even less likely, all the females were able to use a colon. As if. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/05/2010, at 12:08 AM, SwissPace wrote: > > */The professor knows best.......... > /* > */An English professor wrote the words: "A woman without her man is > nothing" on the chalkboard and asked his students to punctuate it > correctly. > /* > */All of the males in the class wrote: "A woman, without her man, is > nothing." > /* > */Are you ready for this............? > /* > */All the females in the class wrote: "A woman: without her, man is > nothing." > /* > */Punctuation is powerful. Have a great day! > /* > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 01:31:07 2010 Received: (qmail 9077 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2010 23:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2010 23:31:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFDAE180A7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A89E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934434AC054 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FC434AC053 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4BNUt39029900 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:30:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <07BABFCF00424F6583EEA163414CD7C7@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <892401.33557.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com><095BE9F510A14632B44F87251D829D3E@MAIN> <4BE9BF8F.4090901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:30:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: anyexperience out there?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 01:31:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4be9e8bb175731258626592 Thanks Chuck, this shot was before I got the VF-2, took many shots before getting a sharp one. Focus with the LCD is a nightmare for long lenses while the EVF is even better than the 5D II finder in focus confirmation. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > That's truly lovely, CH. I love the soft light and the bokeh is > excellent. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> "ALL"? With only the kit lens may be but the m4/3 is a system, consider >> you >> can add a 9-18mm superwide or even a manual Pen FT lens: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P4170730.jpg (Pen FT 150mm F4) >> >> BTW, the movie mode of E-P is much better if you care. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "AS" >> >>> The E-P is nice but I think the G11 has it all in a very compact size. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 03:33:20 2010 Received: (qmail 9367 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 01:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 01:33:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8350E180B6 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7164E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0C5E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFF1E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so150582vws.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.158.12 with SMTP id d12mr5100054vcx.84.1273627992541; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:33:12 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 03:33:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea056092091342116753 Iwert, are you living near Mont-Saint-Jean, really? Did you ever visit Hougomont? Fernando (1,775 m.) - ;-) 2010/5/11 zuiko : > > Napoleon lost here in Waterloo, but left > a very big heritage. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 04:04:31 2010 Received: (qmail 7951 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EB3E1809F for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF16E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D03E47214 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA184E47209 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so169723vws.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.59.10 with SMTP id j10mr751961vch.131.1273629864827; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:04:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:04:24 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 04:04:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea0caf166261950411718 Somehow a similar photo, but very different in fact. I was trying to figure out how much center-weighted the OM 4 meter is, and used my OMZ 300 4,5 @ 4,5, tripod mounted on a windy summer noon. Shutter speed was rather slow, film was Provia 100F. I liked the composition, but not so much as to bother to scan it - your beautiful flowers made me remember this trial shot. I concluded that the center weighting of the OM 4 was not enough to properly expose the yellow highlights, I should have used multi-spot metering ... and it was a tough lighting situation for the Provia too. What do you think, list? large (1280) small - link to view on black: Fernando. 2010/5/10 Nicholas Herndon : > Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of > their flowers around dusk. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 04:38:52 2010 Received: (qmail 8672 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 02:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 02:38:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57683E1808D for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B835E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5587BE5332E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE27E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so382718wwb.20 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.195 with SMTP id w45mr4095045wee.47.1273631924525; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.73 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 04:38:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea14bc115861357919056 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I concluded that the center weighting of the OM 4 was not enough to > properly expose the yellow highlights, I should have used multi-spot > metering ... and it was a tough lighting situation for the Provia too. > > What do you think, list? > > large (1280) > > small - link to view on black: > > > Fernando. I suspect you could probably have used the OM-4's "shadow" button to get the exposure right. Otherwise just a single spot reading on the green grass. It's a hard subject to meter. An incident light meter would be nice. But if I have an OM-4 in my hands I always think "I don't need no stinking incident light meter." But I like the photo. The flowers don't look blown out so much as in motion. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 05:09:49 2010 Received: (qmail 7945 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14927E180AA for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD81E24AA3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998FB3610002 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A933610001 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4C39UGr005692 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 23:09:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c1e.430c124b (37117) for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 23:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m22.mail.aol.com (magic-m22.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.195]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA013-90fd4bea1be1337; Tue, 11 May 2010 23:09:21 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <57bca.7bd07da5.391b75e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:09:21 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.5.2 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.195 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Slippin' away X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 05:09:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea1bfd261349730998309 In a message dated 5/11/2010 1:30:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olymoose@gmail.com writes: We're off for a mini trip in the Turtle, as Carol has named our small RV. First stop is a State Park, so no WiFi. Back in a few ... Look forward to hearing of your travels. Know you will be safe . . . it is not the season. The same can not be said of Thomas and his hen who visit us each day. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 07:57:53 2010 Received: (qmail 29931 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 05:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 05:57:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1A1E180BB for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC19E24A9E for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DA8E47213 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C00E47204 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so252189fge.8 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.17 with SMTP id f17mr631223hbg.138.1273643863424; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.163.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 22:57:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:57:43 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 07:57:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea436141096107113666 Hello Fernando, in Belgium all is close, we fit in a circle of 340 km diameter. It is only about 100km. But I never went to Hougomont, I really should, it seems to be a very nice place. My only recollection of Waterloo is a visit to the Panorama and Lion as a school trip when I was 13 I think (about 27 years ago, as time flies). I live in Tongeren, near to Maastricht, Li=E8ge and Aachen (all within 40km), so it is maybe more Charlemagne for me! Iwert 2010/5/12 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > Iwert, are you living near Mont-Saint-Jean, really? > Did you ever visit Hougomont? > > Fernando > > (1,775 m.) - ;-) > > 2010/5/11 zuiko : > >> >> Napoleon lost here in Waterloo, but left >> a very big heritage. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 10:37:35 2010 Received: (qmail 17306 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 08:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 08:37:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C896E18099 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC79E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92C63610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:37:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DECE34AC027 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:37:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-170-87.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.170.87]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 544 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:51:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:37:11 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 10:37:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea68cf157284877110844 An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- camera reflected-light metering solution, no matter what it does. This is in terms of "accuracy". However, modern multi-segment light meters with powerful CPUs and a database of reference images, like that found in the Nikon F6, are probably best at maximising the captured dynamic range, especially on slide film. I never shoot slide film without incident light metering (of course, I never shoot slide film in anything but non-metered medium format cameras, but you get the point). Even when you go to extremely low light levels, such as this shot I made (18 minute exposure at f/32, very high contrast captured on a poor-latitude slide film) no in- camera meter could ever accurately meter it with the same confidence, you'd always have to fiddle around with multi-spot this, exposure-compensation-that, etc. http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that an incident meter meters it *exactly* for how it should be exposed, no additional brain-power required. Dawid On 12 May 2010, at 4:38 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > It's a hard subject to meter. An incident light meter would be nice. > But if I have an OM-4 in my hands I always think "I don't need no > stinking incident light meter." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 11:03:19 2010 Received: (qmail 10473 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 09:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 09:03:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62221E1809C for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDEBE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B74CE47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7DB38CA8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:03:13 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAKcL6kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDF45PjTKoU5BxgSaDAWsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,213,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="2113977" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:03:11 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83FF201F3; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:03:11 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:03:11 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: [OM] OM3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 11:03:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea6ed7241101220213263 120568689384 Not for me this time thanks. Good glass too. Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 11:23:57 2010 Received: (qmail 25896 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 09:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 09:23:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D52E180A9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BF9E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E4E34AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8CB34AC025 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAOUP6kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDF45PjTKoUJBygSaDAWsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,213,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3564317" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:23:51 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DED0201F2; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:23:50 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:23:50 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: [OM] (OM) Zuiko 50/1.4 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 11:23:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea73ad191911946193717 Many thanks to Chuck for offering to handle buying this lens. However, since I get the Olympus newsletter in DIGEST form, once a day at 10pm local time, both Chuck's e-mails and the auction had passed me by before I got his mails. I would not have paid that final price for it anyway. There are at least 3 of these lenses new on the 2nd hand global market each day, the asking prices vary enormously, and very few sellers seem to know the true quality of what they are selling. This one was at the upper end of the range, although some German sellers seem to have a *very* inflated idea of their worth on the market, twice what this one went for. I can (and will) wait. Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 12:32:16 2010 Received: (qmail 19918 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 10:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 10:32:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC42FE180A8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 03:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE9BE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 03:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121A534AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9698334AC025 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 03:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-112-11.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.112.11]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4CAW0rO022019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:02 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:31:55 +1000 Message-ID: <003a01caf1be$5905e800$0b11b800$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrxrl2T9JIiuaqtQteVwwRHPO7lrAAD+Vgg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 12:32:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea83b0164862517112723 > > I never shoot slide film without incident light metering (of course, I > never shoot slide > film in anything but non-metered medium format cameras, but you get > the point). Even when > you go to extremely low light levels, such as this shot I made (18 > minute exposure at f/32, > very high contrast captured on a poor-latitude slide film) no in- > camera meter could ever > accurately meter it with the same confidence, you'd always have to > fiddle around with > multi-spot this, exposure-compensation-that, etc. > > http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > I presume the clock is broken ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 13:24:49 2010 Received: (qmail 5789 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 11:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 11:24:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A17E180A5 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3031E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9D1B38CA8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F80CE47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:24:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 99 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <003a01caf1be$5905e800$0b11b800$@com.au> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:24:35 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <003a01caf1be$5905e800$0b11b800$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 13:24:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea9001192833900897491 Well spotted Wayne! :-) That was quite on purpose, yes. Whilst this is not the best / most planned shot in the world, I didn't want invisible / blurred hands on the clock. Dawid On 12 May 2010, at 12:31 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> I never shoot slide film without incident light metering (of >> course, I >> never shoot slide >> film in anything but non-metered medium format cameras, but you get >> the point). Even when >> you go to extremely low light levels, such as this shot I made (18 >> minute exposure at f/32, >> very high contrast captured on a poor-latitude slide film) no in- >> camera meter could ever >> accurately meter it with the same confidence, you'd always have to >> fiddle around with >> multi-spot this, exposure-compensation-that, etc. >> >> http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 >> > > I presume the clock is broken ? > > ...Wayne > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 13:34:48 2010 Received: (qmail 13693 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 11:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 11:34:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDAEE18090 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFE1E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB95E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D372E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21so168357pvc.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr4930600rva.136.1273664082736; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:34:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:34:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 13:34:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea9258245705368819438 On 12 May 2010 09:37, Dawid Loubser wrote: > An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- > camera reflected-light > metering solution, no matter what it does. This is in terms of > "accuracy".... > > http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > ... no additional brain-power required. > Where did you hold your incident meter? Tom > > Dawid > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 13:39:41 2010 Received: (qmail 1651 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 11:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 11:39:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B574E18092 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DD1E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D45AE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A05B38C80 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so189884vws.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.157.136 with SMTP id b8mr5539424vcx.30.1273664373813; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BE8361E.5090002@interisland.net> <4BE8802A.8050509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:39:33 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 13:39:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea937d192821950411718 Oh well, my country would fit in a circle of 500 km diameter, and I never visited most of our historical / epic places either. But I did visit Hougomont. Yes, I read Les Mis=E9rables last summer. If you happen to read it, then perhaps you'd feel some urgency to visit the place. :-) Fernando. 2010/5/12 zuiko : > Hello Fernando, > > in Belgium all is close, we fit in a circle of 340 km diameter. It is > only about 100km. But I never went to Hougomont, I really should, it > seems to be a very nice place. My only recollection of Waterloo is -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 13:49:22 2010 Received: (qmail 11888 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 11:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 11:49:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324FCE180A1 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2266EE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ACC34AC028 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C10834AC025 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15510 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 11:49:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100512-0, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 13:49:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea95c2310536107113666 Yellow and green highlights are overexposed but not much is actually blown out. It's recoverable. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Somehow a similar photo, but very different in fact. > > I was trying to figure out how much center-weighted the OM 4 meter is, > and used my OMZ 300 4,5 @ 4,5, tripod mounted on a windy summer noon. > Shutter speed was rather slow, film was Provia 100F. > > I liked the composition, but not so much as to bother to scan it - > your beautiful flowers made me remember this trial shot. > > I concluded that the center weighting of the OM 4 was not enough to > properly expose the yellow highlights, I should have used multi-spot > metering ... and it was a tough lighting situation for the Provia too. > > What do you think, list? > > large (1280) > > small - link to view on black: > > > Fernando. > > 2010/5/10 Nicholas Herndon : >> Went out to my parents' house this past week and took some photos of >> their flowers around dusk. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 14:00:34 2010 Received: (qmail 8322 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 12:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 12:00:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25CCE180A8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23529E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E84E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB59E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22419 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 12:00:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100512-0, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 14:00:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea986221195034211378 Yes, my question too. Since the light is presumably a candle that we can't see near the top of the photo the effect of the inverse square law must be quite dramatic over such short distances. So, yes, where was the meter? Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > On 12 May 2010 09:37, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >> camera reflected-light >> metering solution, no matter what it does. This is in terms of >> "accuracy".... > > > >> http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > > > > >> ... no additional brain-power required. >> > > Where did you hold your incident meter? > > Tom > >> Dawid >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 14:21:10 2010 Received: (qmail 5029 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 12:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 12:21:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B640E1808C for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D820CE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47FBE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42809E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d58-104-112-11.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.112.11]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4CCL1Ho024298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:21:03 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <003a01caf1be$5905e800$0b11b800$@com.au> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:20:56 +1000 Message-ID: <005401caf1cd$94203990$bc60acb0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcrxxbpNrr2Jrx91QJuFlZ4vyC36XwAB43sw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 14:21:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea9d36233635683411216 > > That was quite on purpose, yes. Whilst this is not the best > / most planned shot in the world, I didn't want invisible / > blurred hands on the clock. > Hmmm, I like the shot as it is, but you've given me an idea for shooting something a little different. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 14:23:05 2010 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 12:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 12:23:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E92AE18088 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC07E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC5334AC02A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DC534AC029 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.215.43]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2B003AG3OL8F20@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:21:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:22:01 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 14:23:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea9da963553900897491 So much for compact lenses on the NEX. Ugly factor alone would keep me away. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Doubt this would pry the G11 out of Moose's hand but has a movable LCD > , compact but likely not compact enough. > Needs a bit better optics and perhaps foldable compact zoom and then > some nice Zeiss glass too. No AF with Sony > alpha lenses is a drawback (aperture coupling works) but the larger > sensor does make obvious difference at higher ISO's. Probably competes > more with MFT. > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/1005/10051102sonynex.asp > > Preview On imaging-resource: > > http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM > > side by side with G11: > > http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 14:26:17 2010 Received: (qmail 28989 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 12:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 12:26:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFA3E18095 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310D8E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886234AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F4834AC027 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f185.google.com (mail-qy0-f185.google.com [209.85.221.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so9820505qyk.6 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.72.143 with SMTP id m15mr4911143qaj.231.1273667170356; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.27.136 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 05:26:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEA9856.70008@chucknorcutt.com> References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <4BEA9856.70008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 14:26:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bea9e69140324877110844 Dawid, Now I feel even better about the Luna Pro SBC meter I just ordered from KEH. Thanks for helping me justify the purchase. ;-) I love the yellow and orange tones in this shot. Very nice. Paul C. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 15:16:56 2010 Received: (qmail 20389 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DD9E180BA for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3A5E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C5534AC02A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C397A34AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsAEAGdH6kvKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACDF45QjTOpPJBzgSaDAWsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,215,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="2117307" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 13 May 2010 01:16:49 +1200 Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (28.100.37.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.28]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BDE20229; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:16:48 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 01:16:48 +1200 From: To: Message-ID: X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3.1 Subject: Re: [OM] difficulties in photographing autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 15:16:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaaa48324121234514069 Chuck wrote, > The limitations you find with digital photography can be > solved with the simple expedient of setting a -2/3 exposure compensation > on the camera. Just go do it. It's simple and you'll be happier. :-) Thanks Chuck, I will. Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 15:38:02 2010 Received: (qmail 16836 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14599E1808C for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580F3E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56176E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD04B38CA8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so51909gxk.10 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.120.9 with SMTP id s9mr12729592ybc.299.1273671467532; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 06:37:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:37:47 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0f0B-NcQSLUy2-B9yn25l3jsMUM Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 15:38:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaaf3a4441234514069 > > So much for compact lenses on the NEX. Ugly factor alone would keep me > away. > Take your iPhone, cut it in half, and glue a big lens to the back side. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 16:27:47 2010 Received: (qmail 16834 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 14:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 14:27:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9F6E1808E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D078AE24AA4 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68F134AC029 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897F134AC028 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so416021gya.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.233.4 with SMTP id f4mr4324958anh.217.1273674452232; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] 100/2, Provia, G series X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 16:27:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beabae3300222517112723 >Somehow a similar photo, but very different in fact. >I was trying to figure out how much center-weighted the OM 4 meter is, >and used my OMZ 300 4,5 @ 4,5, tripod mounted on a windy summer noon. >Shutter speed was rather slow, film was Provia 100F. >I liked the composition, but not so much as to bother to scan it - >your beautiful flowers made me remember this trial shot. >I concluded that the center weighting of the OM 4 was not enough to >properly expose the yellow highlights, I should have used multi-spot >metering ... and it was a tough lighting situation for the Provia too. What do you think, list? large (1280) small - link to view on black: Fernando. Interesting, I usually have the opposite problem with the center weighted metering on my OM-2n; it tends to underexpose in similar lighting situations. As an aside, how did you scan the slide? I have a difficult time scanning Provia, though to be fair, it's easier to scan than some other slide films. I love Provia, and I've been finding some good deals on it lately. Now if I could only find a quality slide projector that didn't sound like a 767 landing in the middle of my living room... As for the Canon G series of cameras, they still seem a little too "chunky" for me. My preference is for either a truly pocketable digi point and shoot or slightly bigger mirrorless interchangeable lens digi cam (m4/3rds, Sony Nex, Ricoh GXR). As it is, I decided on a Panny GH1, which just arrived in the mail incidentally. What an amazing little camera! The size and form function remind me of the Canon Powershot, with a significantly larger sensor. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 16:42:31 2010 Received: (qmail 23395 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 14:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 14:42:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C33E180B3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049FAE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A36E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B86B38C80 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 07:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o4CEgK7v032115 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:42:21 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4CEgKAJ008928 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:42:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:42:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 16:42:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beabe57218511073733319 The average brightness of the scene is definately darker than mid-tone, center weight metering will overexpose the image. I will use manual mode, go close to the grass and meter it. BTW, the Nikon scanner flare problem shown very well here. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > Somehow a similar photo, but very different in fact. > > I was trying to figure out how much center-weighted the OM 4 meter is, > and used my OMZ 300 4,5 @ 4,5, tripod mounted on a windy summer noon. > Shutter speed was rather slow, film was Provia 100F. > > I liked the composition, but not so much as to bother to scan it - > your beautiful flowers made me remember this trial shot. > > I concluded that the center weighting of the OM 4 was not enough to > properly expose the yellow highlights, I should have used multi-spot > metering ... and it was a tough lighting situation for the Provia too. > > What do you think, list? > > large (1280) > > small - link to view on black: > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 17:21:34 2010 Received: (qmail 2862 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 15:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 15:21:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6224E180AB for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5034AE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA8434AC02A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B556434AC029 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18960 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 15:21:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 May 2010 15:21:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:21:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 17:21:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beac77d278051234514069 The interface sounds even uglier. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > So much for compact lenses on the NEX. Ugly factor alone would keep me > away. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> Doubt this would pry the G11 out of Moose's hand but has a movable LCD >> , compact but likely not compact enough. >> Needs a bit better optics and perhaps foldable compact zoom and then >> some nice Zeiss glass too. No AF with Sony >> alpha lenses is a drawback (aperture coupling works) but the larger >> sensor does make obvious difference at higher ISO's. Probably competes >> more with MFT. >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1005/10051102sonynex.asp >> >> Preview On imaging-resource: >> >> http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM >> >> side by side with G11: >> >> http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM >> >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 17:29:01 2010 Received: (qmail 10536 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 15:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 15:29:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94EEE180A0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08130E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0D5E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4E7E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so20911ywh.26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.193.14 with SMTP id q14mr12016500ybf.140.1273678131816; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:50 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hNzonPun2-N_n402R9Gw9xxVVjg Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] difficulties in photographing autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 17:29:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beac93d139145368819438 > > > The limitations you find with digital photography can be > > solved with the simple expedient of setting a -2/3 exposure compensation > > on the camera. Just go do it. It's simple and you'll be happier. :-) > Or, disable ESP metering and use center-weight averaging... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 17:54:07 2010 Received: (qmail 8047 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 15:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 15:54:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774B6E180A0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055F3E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0499B34AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F29134AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.195] ([unknown] [96.234.152.228]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L2B000FSDHDDB50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4BEACEE9.4050508@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:53:13 -0400 From: Rand E User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] SD(HC) to CF Converter Card X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 17:54:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beacf1e298671612113968 Has anyone else tried out one of these converter cards ? I just purchases one from B&H Photo (http://www.bhphotovideo.com). CF Type II Adapter The issue that I wanted to solve was that my E-330 uses CF cards ( also xD), while almost all my other devices use SD or SDHC cards. SD cards seem to be getting both higher capacity and less expensive, in addition to being much smaller in physical size. This adapter sounded like just the ticket to solve this problem. The one that I obtained from B&H Photo is marketed under the Delkin Devices name www.delkin.com. and sells from B&H for $30. This price seemed worthwhile to be able to avoid duplicating memory cards. When received, I tested it with 8 and 16 gig SDHC cards. I tried them out both in the built-in card reader on my computer and my E-330 camera. In both cases the combination of SD card and adapter worked fine, just as advertised. One item of curiosity though. The 16 gig SDHC card is formatted and clean. With the E-330 (7.5 MP), set on SHQ 3136x2352 resolution, it yields an available exposure count of 2655. With a P&S that I have (8 MP), set on highest res. 3264x2448, it yields an available exposure count of 4457. I would guess that color depth would have something to do with this. More likely, the cause is something that I'm not even thinking about. Rand E -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:02:18 2010 Received: (qmail 23156 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:02:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F5BE180B7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97804E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771AF34AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B4A34AC030 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so53942ywh.26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.31.14 with SMTP id e14mr11859758ybe.95.1273680123700; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:02:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:02:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t-DMIEcW92JD0G2hx1_IfAerTGc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 100/2, Provia, G series X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:02:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead10a62309730998309 Those photos are a perfect example of where an incident light meter shines. (pardon the pun). When confronted by such extremes in brightness levels, the only thing you can be sure of is that the fuzzy logic in the cameras will be fooled. The exposure might go high, it might go low and in some cases it might just decide to average out the entire mess and call it a day. Regardless, you can be pretty sure that the resulting exposure will be way off. With digital, it's even worse, because with saturated colors as presented in nature by flowers, sunset skies and those cheeky primary colors at a playground, if you get even close to the top in exposure, you'll saturate (blow out) a color channel which doesn't show up on the histogram. With an incident light meter, you substitute the scene with an "artificial subject". By measuring the light falling on this substitute subject (the white dome of the meter), you are assured to get a proper exposure of the real subject as its reflective value relates to the midtone calculation of the incident light meter. Therefore, if the real subject's reflectance is two stops brighter than midtone, if you set the camera's exposure to what the incident meter tells you, the photograph will capture the real subject exactly two stops brighter than midtone. But that's not why you called... When confronted with such extreme brightness ratios in a scene, and you know the camera meter is going to choke, you must approach the exposure calculation in a systematic manner: 1. Determine what is the subject to be properly exposed? (in an extreme contrast scene, pick one part of it, not the entire scene). 2. Visually estimate the reflectance (brightness) of that subject in relationship to midtone. 3. Meter the subject or substitute that subject for another subject with a known reflectance (brightness). For example, you hand. If you use the palm of your hand, open up one stop to compensate for the fact that the reflectance of your hand is one stop brighter than midtone. 4. Adjust the camera's exposure and take picture. The above is the general procedure for working with digital JPEGs or slide films where THE most critical thing is to maintain proper exposure relationship to midtone. When working with color images, if this relationship to midtone is not maintained, then the entire scene is over/under exposed, regardless of how well preserved the highlights or shadows are. However, when working with digital raw and/or B&W, specifically the Zone System or variations therof, you are less concerned with midtones, but more concerned with the extremes. With B&W, the old adage of "expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights" and when printing "expose for the highlights, contrast/develop for the shadows" applies. Midtone exposuring in B&W is perfectly valid, though, when photographing people, events or other things like that where you wish to have a churn-n-burn system which can be used for high-volume printing. This is where spot-meters and the OM-3/4 metering system applies. If you want to do the substitute routine easily enough, in manual mode, just spot meter your hand and adjust the aperture/shutterspeed so the exposure reads one-stop high. That's it. But when you have a subject that is way high or way low, you meter that subject and literally just move that dot to the point in relation to midtone that you want. The beauty of the OM-3/4 system is that it allows you to take multiple readings which you can move around en-mass to keep all of them within the latitude of the film. Or, in the case of the photo of the flowers with the large expanses of black in the frame, if you really want those areas to go black you take a reading of that area and move that dot so far down on the exposure scale that it falls below the acceptable exposure range of the film or sensor. AG (The Dome) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:05:12 2010 Received: (qmail 4333 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:05:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C152E180A8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9C5E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DD1E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFF7E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so56736ywh.26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.5.10 with SMTP id h10mr9629254ybi.447.1273680300974; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:05:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Wln5_WX9LnhUKxvvv8N7RYkEGrA Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:05:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead1b8165272439112457 > > The interface sounds even uglier. > It does floor me that they aren't even using the touch-screen interface that they have on other cameras! My prediction is that Panasonic is going to wipe the floor with Sony's offering. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:16:09 2010 Received: (qmail 1181 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:16:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439BDE1809B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860FAE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D15234AC030 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142AA34AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2846 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 16:16:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] SD(HC) to CF Converter Card X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:16:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead449227087801554290 Check the actual JPEG image sizes from shots of the same scene shot by both cameras. I suspect the P&S is using a lower JPEG quality level which will result in smaller files despite the slightly higher resolution. If that's not it I don't know. Chuck Norcutt Rand E wrote: > Has anyone else tried out one of these converter cards ? I just > purchases one from B&H Photo (http://www.bhphotovideo.com). > CF Type II Adapter > The issue that I wanted to solve was that my E-330 uses CF cards ( > also xD), while almost all my other devices use SD or SDHC cards. > SD cards seem to be getting both higher capacity and less expensive, in > addition to being much smaller in physical size. > This adapter sounded like just the ticket to solve this problem. The > one that I obtained from B&H Photo is marketed under the Delkin Devices > name > www.delkin.com. and sells from B&H for $30. This price seemed > worthwhile to be able to avoid duplicating memory cards. > When received, I tested it with 8 and 16 gig SDHC cards. I tried > them out both in the built-in card reader on my computer and my E-330 > camera. > In both cases the combination of SD card and adapter worked fine, just > as advertised. > One item of curiosity though. The 16 gig SDHC card is formatted and > clean. > With the E-330 (7.5 MP), set on SHQ 3136x2352 resolution, it > yields an available exposure count of 2655. > With a P&S that I have (8 MP), set on highest res. 3264x2448, it > yields an available exposure count of 4457. > I would guess that color depth would have something to do with this. > More likely, the cause is something that I'm not even thinking about. > Rand E -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:20:24 2010 Received: (qmail 5597 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:20:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53032E180B4 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA51E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF93E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD54E47229 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6008 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 16:20:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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[was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:20:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead548286041234514069 They had the cat's meow in the Minolta A1 and they've let it fall away. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> The interface sounds even uglier. >> > > It does floor me that they aren't even using the touch-screen interface that > they have on other cameras! > > My prediction is that Panasonic is going to wipe the floor with Sony's > offering. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:22:41 2010 Received: (qmail 13554 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:22:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3DDE18071 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0309BE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037F8E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CB5E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7863 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 16:22:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] SD(HC) to CF Converter Card X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:22:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead5d1215351234514069 Sorry, I said "image sizes" in the first sentence when for clarity and agreement with the second sentence I should have said "file sizes". Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Check the actual JPEG image sizes from shots of the same scene shot by > both cameras. I suspect the P&S is using a lower JPEG quality level > which will result in smaller files despite the slightly higher > resolution. If that's not it I don't know. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Rand E wrote: >> Has anyone else tried out one of these converter cards ? I just >> purchases one from B&H Photo (http://www.bhphotovideo.com). >> CF Type II Adapter >> The issue that I wanted to solve was that my E-330 uses CF cards ( >> also xD), while almost all my other devices use SD or SDHC cards. >> SD cards seem to be getting both higher capacity and less expensive, in >> addition to being much smaller in physical size. >> This adapter sounded like just the ticket to solve this problem. The >> one that I obtained from B&H Photo is marketed under the Delkin Devices >> name >> www.delkin.com. and sells from B&H for $30. This price seemed >> worthwhile to be able to avoid duplicating memory cards. >> When received, I tested it with 8 and 16 gig SDHC cards. I tried >> them out both in the built-in card reader on my computer and my E-330 >> camera. >> In both cases the combination of SD card and adapter worked fine, just >> as advertised. >> One item of curiosity though. The 16 gig SDHC card is formatted and >> clean. >> With the E-330 (7.5 MP), set on SHQ 3136x2352 resolution, it >> yields an available exposure count of 2655. >> With a P&S that I have (8 MP), set on highest res. 3264x2448, it >> yields an available exposure count of 4457. >> I would guess that color depth would have something to do with this. >> More likely, the cause is something that I'm not even thinking about. >> Rand E -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:35:05 2010 Received: (qmail 6199 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:35:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192EAE1809C for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7098E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A423A34AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536EA34AC027 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100512163445.FQWQ26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:34:45 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ggak1e00E233qdw02gakNr; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:34:44 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jEzMdEw2P4Psx6Pryhsn8ZKvN9MLoXbl3lyS2U/sgqI= c=1 sm=1 a=ufUl8XGA-FMA:10 a=ygRHs6EKU7oA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=O-su3JH5xxpQD4OAmPMA:9 a=TWH-L8Ff9oYm063e3wgA:7 a=24mxVj3HPF2-MxELk-cvguApEp8A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4EECB105DC294596B222829FED179AFD@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net><4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <4BEAD53D.1010408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:34:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:35:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead8b9245051342116753 Like everything else, the utility and quality of products are less than secondary to marketability. Like DTV. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 > They had the cat's meow in the Minolta A1 and they've let it fall away. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Ken Norton wrote: >>> The interface sounds even uglier. >>> >> >> It does floor me that they aren't even using the touch-screen interface >> that >> they have on other cameras! >> >> My prediction is that Panasonic is going to wipe the floor with Sony's >> offering. >> >> AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2869 - Release Date: 05/12/10 06:26:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:38:33 2010 Received: (qmail 18444 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:38:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CDEE18039 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466EE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720EC34AC027 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3374034AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so58089gya.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.25.5 with SMTP id c5mr12205722ybj.276.1273682307690; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEAD53D.1010408@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <4BEAD53D.1010408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:38:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7aoNDxWF289_PFopzDI9mcCEJL0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:38:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bead98973509730998309 > > They had the cat's meow in the Minolta A1 and they've let it fall away. > No kidding. I'm at a cross-roads here. To fund the purchase of the L1 I'm supposed to sell the A1. I really don't want to... I'm trying to get rid of other things first. (The 14-54 brought me halfway there). AG (splinters under the fingernails) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 18:53:43 2010 Received: (qmail 23068 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 16:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 16:53:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3DAE18091 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0558E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4B2E47223 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B22AE47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so228339vws.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.125.99 with SMTP id x35mr1442035vcr.231.1273683217677; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> References: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:53:37 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 18:53:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beadd1721835034211378 CH ... you have very accurate eyes ;-) I had the hope the flare issue went unnoticed. But ... how do you rule out it's not a CA issue of the OMZ 300 4,5? More: what if there is some CA, and I had made wrong levels adjustments, and boosted Red a little while 'Sharpen edges' too? Remember some of the flowers are moving, ghosting shouldn't count as flare ! - shutter speed might have been 1/60 IIRC. Fernando (who is not asking now, all the question I have prepared for you ;-) ) Rushing to work ................. 2010/5/12 C.H.Ling : > > BTW, the Nikon scanner flare problem shown very well here. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 19:29:01 2010 Received: (qmail 28515 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 17:29:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61ACE180A7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B8FE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F49E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D8FE47223 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2390 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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[was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 19:29:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beae55d262481006886880 It's worth a lot more just to sit on the shelf and look at than what it'll bring in a sale. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> They had the cat's meow in the Minolta A1 and they've let it fall away. >> > > > No kidding. > > I'm at a cross-roads here. To fund the purchase of the L1 I'm supposed to > sell the A1. I really don't want to... I'm trying to get rid of other things > first. (The 14-54 brought me halfway there). > > AG (splinters under the fingernails) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 19:57:37 2010 Received: (qmail 11245 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 17:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 17:57:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18AE180A5 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C232E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0D0E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC9AE4722F for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so227845wwb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.153.197 with SMTP id l5mr7220485wbw.85.1273687041776; Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm2511970wbd.7.2010.05.12.10.57.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:57:19 +0100 Message-Id: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 19:57:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaec11143056789618724 Has anyone seen an adaptor which might allow me to mount something like a CV 15/4.5 on my mFT body? I've seen M adaptors, but not the L. Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 20:18:08 2010 Received: (qmail 14433 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 18:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 18:18:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CB1E180B6 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F8FE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD478E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0D7E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so276816wyb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.194 with SMTP id h2mr7317833wbs.223.1273688280763; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y22sm2597839wby.23.2010.05.12.11.17.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:17:58 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Photographing autumn colours etc (long) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 20:18:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaf0e053647801554290 Thanks for your interesting potted history, Brian. I am glad that all is coming together successfully now, and that you have time to enjoy it. I should have been really grumpy about the Government's getting rid of so many Forestry workers ... Here's just one more idea for using RAW files: use Picasa, a free application from Google. It will catalogue your RAW files for you and do a bit of "Fine-tuning", although not nearly as comprehensively as LightRoom or LightZone. But the main idea is that you don't have to convert RAW files until you want to use them; they sit as RAW files and take up less space than TIFF files (normally). If you have something like LightRoom, you can manipulate or post-process the files without doing anything to the original file, then output it as you wish. I don't believe that your computer would have a difficulty with the processing. Chris On 11 May 2010, at 10:48, wrote: snip > Thanks to Chuck's guidance, I can now add terabytes of storage to my > computer. All the > > advice I got told me that the motherboard would not recognise more than > about 132 > > gigabytes. In a simple hook-up test my computer man demonstrated it would > recognise at > > least 500 GB. He also did a massive defragmentation using a program be > bought; this > > has speeded up my machine hugely, but I'm not sure about it being fast > enough to deal > > with RAW files. > I have this idea in my head that a technology ( digital imaging - digital > cameras ) > > is/are a somewhat deficient process that just HAS to improve over time if > it can't > > cope with highlights such as those generated from back-lit or strongly > front-lit > > autumn leaves, and relies instead on third party inventions. But I also > suspect that > > not enough digital photographers care enough to cause the camera companies > to make > > that sort of improvement. > > Anyway, this is a long way of saying that there are other items in the > spending queue > > ahead of a new computer. What I have, will have to do, for a while yet. > Doing RAW > > files will probably have to wait a bit. And the labs that do the best > printing here > > insist on TIFF files. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 20:22:45 2010 Received: (qmail 5960 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 18:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 18:22:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582C1E180B2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360E9E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3263434AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92E634AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj15 with SMTP id 15so156017gwj.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.167.5 with SMTP id p5mr12205872ybe.213.1273688544807; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEAE552.3050502@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> <4BEAC771.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <4BEAD53D.1010408@chucknorcutt.com> <4BEAE552.3050502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: OZXISD7z65d-ZdHlkqvbtg0G6ZA Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 20:22:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaf1f5202661879814018 > > It's worth a lot more just to sit on the shelf and look at than what > it'll bring in a sale. > Funny. My wife said the same thing about me just this morning... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 20:26:34 2010 Received: (qmail 27667 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 18:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 18:26:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B26E180A2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9D2E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFC5E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EC3E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so185136ywh.26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.31.14 with SMTP id e14mr12034345ybe.95.1273688783988; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:26:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gq5AGZy_SLrahVACJY9H2dxlQV4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 20:26:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaf2da157691342116753 > > CH ... you have very accurate eyes ;-) > I had the hope the flare issue went unnoticed. > CH and I noticed it because we've fought it ourselves. However, I didn't think it was all that bad. > But ... how do you rule out it's not a CA issue of the OMZ 300 4,5? > More: what if there is some CA, and I had made wrong levels > adjustments, and boosted Red a little while 'Sharpen edges' too? > The CA and haloing of the 300 F4.5 lens is most likely the greatest culprit in this case. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 20:35:54 2010 Received: (qmail 24504 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 18:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 18:35:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A23E18095 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B67CE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36817E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C394E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-7-205.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.7.205]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 559 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:49:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:35:28 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 20:35:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaf50a36644877110844 I held the incident meter very close to the picture frame, right against the wall. With this shot, I wanted the area very close to the candle correctly exposed (i.e. not over-exposed), with the rest gently falling off. After applying what I thought would be sensible time for reciprocity failure on Provia (which is excellent in this regards) I exposed exactly as per the meter reading, and it came out very well. On a technical note, I really should post a larger version or a 100% crop, the image quality in this image made my jaw drop. Right to the corners, the very finest of textures in the wall (plaster) are rendered crisply. Do you see the little copper disc over the peep hole in the door on the left? Engraved in that disc is the word "Jaguar" (brand, I presume). In the original the engraved wording is perfectly rendered, and not just "barely" but clearly. The only thing that will, at this time, come even close to a good 6x17cm image, especially with an ultra-wide angle of view like this, is a scanning back, but with an exposure time of 18minutes, the scan would literally take hours (possibly days). There is some formats where one does not shoot film because it's fun or different, but simply because it's hopelessly better than anything comparable. If any of you ever find a good deal on a Linhof 617, never pass it up! Such a camera is endlessly satisfying, even for "boring" shots like these. Ironically, I got mine much much cheaper (locally here in South Africa) than what I just paid for the (very well-priced) OM-3Ti that's on my way from John :-) Dawid On 12 May 2010, at 1:34 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: >> http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > > > > >> ... no additional brain-power required. >> > > Where did you hold your incident meter? > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 20:43:06 2010 Received: (qmail 2139 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 18:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 18:43:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C9BE180A3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4784E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D6AE4722B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992F1E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-7-205.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.7.205]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 754 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:42:47 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <4BEA9856.70008@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 20:43:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beaf6ba264501950411718 Thank you Paul! You won't regretting getting an incident meter, I find it infallible, even in very difficult exposure scenarios. Here's another example, a quite challening scenario for 5-stops-slide-film, but I am happy with how it came out. http://snipurl.com/w6e1t This was shot through a polariser, but with the polarisation angle set to emphasise, not suppress, the reflection on the waves. I wanted to remember the it as I saw it. Every pebble next to the railroad tracks is rendered in a way which no other camera/lens can. You can actually see people on the opposite shore. Dawid On 12 May 2010, at 2:26 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > Dawid, > > Now I feel even better about the Luna Pro SBC meter I just ordered > from > KEH. Thanks for helping me justify the purchase. ;-) I love the > yellow > and orange tones in this shot. Very nice. > > > Paul C. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 21:01:13 2010 Received: (qmail 865 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 19:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 19:01:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE5FE180B8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCB2E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8930534AC025 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA1434AC033 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:01:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.92]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 94706 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2010 19:00:59 -0000 Message-ID: <905061.94682.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DDtJxI8VM1nEZzV4FZ39mjIkQwG287oU51oB1OpsxyiYpb1 cN.Wd4ngtZmoOUtzv6P4vent4BGDt3OvqEjfWahosDfLYcMCA2LbUpsMnIDw PzXQ9fSvWgthNqKi5hSC0_W58YH5.EajJly1ybT5hI.CPBgb6m4fZW3gWCg4 TxQXNdZPIUklnAOHj1UD2KDzLFaiuJNfMM2lW96d1Hq9U9uot_XDh4qV.BkP z4J260HM8.2tHEmy74uemIF5MLlaALD6Dq61SqMolOCaNnXTlGLg_KWbX145 2PfGt9NfesAGunUQN.Rs8LX2EgXduZReueOxoC9Dxluo- Received: from [81.158.164.89] by web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 19:00:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:00:59 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 21:01:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beafaf9304681136683642 Chris, I am slightly confused. If you are fitting a Leica screw lens just use the Leica screw to "M" bayonet adapter and then the "M" to Micro 4/3 adapter. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 18:57:19 Subject: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? Has anyone seen an adaptor which might allow me to mount something like a CV 15/4.5 on my mFT body? I've seen M adaptors, but not the L. Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 21:09:40 2010 Received: (qmail 3636 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 19:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 19:09:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8753FE180AA for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4AEE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34E3E47228 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C281E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 72443 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2010 19:07:01 -0000 Message-ID: <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nYRkAmYVM1mQntfcngh3J2iEW0S630MQcC50Hg4N_21NbGe aRG6P5ss7e9l1QkQCvxSbFlUVeAo0918zLJ9L9pGLtMqHCcHtgCMV_MFHSlt 0n0ZNGYfkCk_D3FmsMSM121ik9n4gIl8eiWG63w4064ZPb8mkC7hEqkDee6n _XGw2J3aU.HG_julm_NhI5Oh_.lodndfvfHjH7iaXi1t6aryrHmzJZA911KU vHzv17AIG.UHBM0VCV2lA6KtEvD.WvTZwGl94QMWAczkOEF1rNwsTIcIap99 tk8_olSLzW1w5fxB88r8cZM7cKYAgN.cHHLCOzJdRAyA- Received: from [81.158.164.89] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 19:07:00 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:07:00 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 21:09:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beafcf4323292013633067 Chris, As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 18:57:19 Subject: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? Has anyone seen an adaptor which might allow me to mount something like a CV 15/4.5 on my mFT body? I've seen M adaptors, but not the L. Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 21:14:57 2010 Received: (qmail 11522 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 19:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 19:14:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665DEE180A7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD49E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35B2E5332E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1455E47223 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FB4314090 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BEAFDFB.3020606@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:14:03 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 50mm f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 21:14:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beafe31232905368819438 > > There is nothing about the metric system that has anything like the body > level sense of the old English system of measurement. > That is my premise exactly. While a good idea in therory it is far too cerebral as it was implemented. It should have been turned over to a sailor or a carpenter or a farmer to determine the basic meter. I suspect it would have turned out to resemble a fathom. Outstretched arms, one pace (left, right, left) Kings are a useful standard of measure if for nothing else. The resulting divisions of a meter would be much more practical IMHO. I'm not talking about the macro or micro world. > , rods, chains, furlongs - what are they divisible by? > Each other. Being convenient to farmers and surveyors...unlike meters. A rod would equal 2 of "Mike's meters". See above :-) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 21:39:18 2010 Received: (qmail 7896 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 19:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 19:39:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC52EE18087 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09975E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105834AC02A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBFF34AC028 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp04.register.it [81.88.48.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18357 invoked from network); 12 May 2010 19:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.35.222.41) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 12 May 2010 19:39:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:08 +0200 Message-Id: References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 21:39:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb03e5175121006886880 I don't think you are missing anything, John, that was my thought as well. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 12, 2010, at 9:07 PM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Barker > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 18:57:19 > Subject: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? > > Has anyone seen an adaptor which might allow me to mount something like a CV 15/4.5 on my mFT body? I've seen M adaptors, but not the L. > > Chris > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 22:08:07 2010 Received: (qmail 23690 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CD9E180A1 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D268E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF18E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049FEE47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8315 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 20:08:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 May 2010 20:08:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4BEB0A9F.4050408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:07:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:08:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb0aa7234521234514069 Well, it's not a Linhof, Dawid, but what do you think of this 617? and its film holder Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > > There is some formats where one does not shoot film because it's fun > or different, > but simply because it's hopelessly better than anything comparable. > > If any of you ever find a good deal on a Linhof 617, never pass it up! > Such a camera is endlessly satisfying, even for "boring" shots like > these. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 22:22:20 2010 Received: (qmail 2990 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 20:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 20:22:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4291E1809F for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9032E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D98E47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563D0E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so382272wyb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.142 with SMTP id z14mr7237363wbi.195.1273695730745; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm3294673wbd.16.2010.05.12.13.22.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:22:09 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:22:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb0dfc303861950411718 Thanks for that John. Soon after posting my question I found the information that the screw to M adaptor is really quite thin. I had been looking for a screw to mFT adaptor to avoid adding 2 adaptors to a lens and resulting bulk. But apparently there is no bulk. So, I could buy a VM adaptor and borrow your lens for a few days, perhaps ... Chris On 12 May 2010, at 20:07, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 22:25:36 2010 Received: (qmail 31327 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC26E1808A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E0DE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAA434AC02A for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9617C34AC025 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so78371wwb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.138 with SMTP id g10mr7392379wbs.29.1273695774717; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm3294673wbd.16.2010.05.12.13.22.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:22:53 +0100 Message-Id: <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:25:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb0ec0316542517112723 Thanks, Nathan. Have you tried a CV screw-mount lens on your GF-1? Chris On 12 May 2010, at 20:39, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I don't think you are missing anything, John, that was my thought as well. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 22:33:40 2010 Received: (qmail 32348 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 20:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 20:33:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F29E18093 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243F1E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C4CE47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEFBE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29069 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 20:33:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 May 2010 20:33:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4BEB109E.9040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:33:34 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <4BEA9856.70008@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:33:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb10a42696107113666 What lens are you using on your 617? Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Thank you Paul! > > You won't regretting getting an incident meter, I find it infallible, > even > in very difficult exposure scenarios. Here's another example, a quite > challening > scenario for 5-stops-slide-film, but I am happy with how it came out. > > http://snipurl.com/w6e1t > > This was shot through a polariser, but with the polarisation angle set > to > emphasise, not suppress, the reflection on the waves. I wanted to > remember the > it as I saw it. > > Every pebble next to the railroad tracks is rendered in a way which no > other camera/lens can. You can actually see people on the opposite > shore. > > Dawid > > > On 12 May 2010, at 2:26 PM, Paul Cox wrote: > >> Dawid, >> >> Now I feel even better about the Luna Pro SBC meter I just ordered >> from >> KEH. Thanks for helping me justify the purchase. ;-) I love the >> yellow >> and orange tones in this shot. Very nice. >> >> >> Paul C. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 22:47:57 2010 Received: (qmail 13549 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 20:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 20:47:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CC2E180A4 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FF3E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD693E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6719AE47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100512204749.LDFH23683.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:47:49 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Gknp1e009233qdw02knp3l; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:47:49 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=gnoi3SaoAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=k0j1uQ6FyvvHQem40p8A:9 a=dytlLBZ94tdUN3aVUq8A:7 a=oDUZJUoNKrgzTc23SaFxPyhlCXYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cYaGTOCzhkwA:10 a=f80YCutGRDYA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <220A1E9D08CD4C5DACBCFCD2F709370D@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> <4BEB0A9F.4050408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:47:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:47:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb13fd60401744846740 Looks like fun, but doesn't it take a 5x7 or 8x10 enlarger to print? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering > Well, it's not a Linhof, Dawid, but what do you think of this 617? > and its film holder > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> >> There is some formats where one does not shoot film because it's fun >> or different, >> but simply because it's hopelessly better than anything comparable. >> >> If any of you ever find a good deal on a Linhof 617, never pass it up! >> Such a camera is endlessly satisfying, even for "boring" shots like >> these. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 22:52:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb1525278651342116753 Chris , You are welcome to borrow my lens with attached screw to "M" mount adaptor for a few weeks. Just let me know when. Good place for adaptors is Stephen Gandy at Cameraquest. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................ ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 21:22:09 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? Thanks for that John. Soon after posting my question I found the information that the screw to M adaptor is really quite thin. I had been looking for a screw to mFT adaptor to avoid adding 2 adaptors to a lens and resulting bulk. But apparently there is no bulk. So, I could buy a VM adaptor and borrow your lens for a few days, perhaps ... Chris On 12 May 2010, at 20:07, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:04:22 2010 Received: (qmail 1949 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:04:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBD6E180B3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E32AE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5D8E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:04:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB69E47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:04:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.87]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14172 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2010 21:04:06 -0000 Message-ID: <667985.13756.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3Gu7DlkVM1nfK8pKEMAff8XiEPeGuubc2BH1RPTBDdBLhrM tf.E0WtHqs4juBhTGMlahEm.GBA7Ov1shAlMIpGZ8e0ta1hSeqSKd732cpe1 lb67PmgrQJLIvOVKJX9yCVOdWl1U0rZCds04TV1_qP49ZuhC6.11XutZcYA9 Ik6EdbDlDtZ5KJlMD7kfgzXw3mwGNVq56U9AcRwxeRPGcWcxo8NI0rn_ceo5 SBO0h_Uq.4O1Wlx1RRaMM_eZ20LqatHfAF5OrJ1RqPxGhV7J0xFxXfaQiDZY uVuFQWPjfYBTZEB31H9wVqy185tUJajpNHQqlmYTr7Kc- Received: from [81.158.164.89] by web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:04:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:04:06 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:04:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb17d670216107113666 Chris, also have a 25mm viewfinder which you might, or might not,find useful with the lens. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 21:22:09 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? Thanks for that John. Soon after posting my question I found the information that the screw to M adaptor is really quite thin. I had been looking for a screw to mFT adaptor to avoid adding 2 adaptors to a lens and resulting bulk. But apparently there is no bulk. So, I could buy a VM adaptor and borrow your lens for a few days, perhaps ... Chris On 12 May 2010, at 20:07, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:25:19 2010 Received: (qmail 30528 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:25:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0822AE180AB for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D1CE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE7934AC02D for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D2434AC029 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2765 invoked from network); 12 May 2010 21:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.35.222.41) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 12 May 2010 21:25:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:25:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1368307B-27F9-45F9-92B9-589D40688BB9@frozenlight.eu> References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:25:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb1cbf127512439112457 Hi Chris, No, I do not have any screw mount lenses. I do use a 90mm Elmarit M with adapter on the GF-1, and it works fine. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 12, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Nathan. > > Have you tried a CV screw-mount lens on your GF-1? > > Chris > > On 12 May 2010, at 20:39, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I don't think you are missing anything, John, that was my thought as well. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:28:06 2010 Received: (qmail 28098 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01066E180A9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09B5E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901B234AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BB834AC028 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6362 invoked by uid 504); 12 May 2010 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100512-1, 05/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:28:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb1d66153807801554290 17cm is just shy of 7 inches so the 617 image circle is that of a 5x7. That's a big enlarger but one can also (as I would do) use a scanner. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Looks like fun, but doesn't it take a 5x7 or 8x10 enlarger to print? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering > > >> Well, it's not a Linhof, Dawid, but what do you think of this 617? >> and its film holder >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:32:23 2010 Received: (qmail 14568 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:32:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3BFE180AA for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D073EE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA78E3610003 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3493610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30702 invoked from network); 12 May 2010 21:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:31:08 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:31:06 +1000 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:32:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb1e67300252013633067 Two adaptors is a bit clumsy? And much more expensive? And there's more room for error? I get it - I've used a couple of old Tamron adaptalls on an EOS and now FT and mFT. I did like it when I was able to get away from the M42 mount +Screw-EOS combo and just buy a simple EOS adapter (there was an EOS Aadaptall but extremely rare). It'd be nice to get a Tamron-mFT mount instead of using an OM Adaptall plus OM-FT adapter plus FT-mFT adapter! :-) Then there's the Pentacon P6 adapter to Leica R mount, R-M adapter, M- mFT adapter combo... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 5:07 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris, > As an update to my last post.....My CV 15mm lens is screw > mounting. To use it on my Leica M6 a very thin screw to "M" bayonet > adapter is permanently left on the lens. This in effect turns the > lens into a "M" series lens. So to use it on a Micro 4/3 I assume I > would just use a "M" to 4/3 adapter. OR am I missing something? > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:34:55 2010 Received: (qmail 4192 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:34:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AB0E180A0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B729E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B83EE47223 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCD2E47213 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32568 invoked from network); 12 May 2010 21:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:33:03 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:33:01 +1000 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:34:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb1eff320921234514069 I've used Canon RF 100/2 and 135/3.5 on my E-P2 - does that count? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 6:22 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Nathan. > > Have you tried a CV screw-mount lens on your GF-1? > > Chris > > On 12 May 2010, at 20:39, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I don't think you are missing anything, John, that was my thought >> as well. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:44:00 2010 Received: (qmail 4240 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:43:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7116E180B2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3388CE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2102434AC02B for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6416234AC027 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9726 invoked from network); 12 May 2010 21:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:43:52 -0000 Message-Id: <2B4ECF8D-92C4-4EED-9F0F-E53BCADA4724@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:43:50 +1000 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:44:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb2120201241234514069 Exactly 1mm - because Leica designed it that way. Nice. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 6:22 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Soon after posting my question I found the information that the > screw to M adaptor is really quite thin. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 12 23:59:05 2010 Received: (qmail 7999 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 21:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 21:59:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD51E180AB for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAC6E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106AE3610003 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519C63610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12368 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2010 21:58:56 -0000 Message-ID: <44568.11988.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1DUK6eUVM1naHEwePKLF2DEZAtsUoyeHqyc685qNjO5XF0J T_lFJ7SPVKBrQ3kNcOeDBQFnebgEPLboF36FFPGRBj_ypHXmAL.dppwE60YI bn3esiHlQiLMx7GUpoTzBb5o51yQrFOL6uuu5BlQCQD3238Tx19cItEEWNaq 4CVVMPrA.KiJV_YzEHBFKrmMk11mSY5iZBiKHzItB2ogDeImoKFJCYXy5rqZ GuoigFJmqdLtrQ7NQOF3vRTMT3.OlghfHAaPC8QrVtuex5aYNWs6cfU6a.FG 6.UvWRkGNNsoYizB44NuZb9kV6iQhWrYFTkNFmQ-- Received: from [81.158.164.89] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:58:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:58:55 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 12 23:59:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb24a9312081006886880 Andrew, As you pointed out the Leica screw to M mount is very unobtrusive. When I bought my CV 15mm lens it was only available in screw fitting so there was NO alternative to the adaptor (or is it adapter?). I believe CV now do the 15mm in bayonet mount, same optical formulae but much more expensive. $160 over screw mount......adaptor $60. Admittedly it has rangefinder coupling but is this really needed on a 15mm lens! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 22:31:06 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? Two adaptors is a bit clumsy? And much more expensive? And there's more room for error? I get it - I've used a couple of old Tamron adaptalls on an EOS and now FT and mFT. I did like it when I was able to get away from the M42 mount +Screw-EOS combo and just buy a simple EOS adapter (there was an EOS Aadaptall but extremely rare). It'd be nice to get a Tamron-mFT mount instead of using an OM Adaptall plus OM-FT adapter plus FT-mFT adapter! :-) Then there's the Pentacon P6 adapter to Leica R mount, R-M adapter, M- mFT adapter combo... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 00:51:24 2010 Received: (qmail 6951 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 22:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 22:51:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEB3E180B7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9589AE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885773610004 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B063610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-071.ctimail.com [61.93.57.71]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o4CMpCcK017759 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:51:13 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4CMpCTC014138 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:51:12 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:51:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 00:51:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb30ec207541950411718 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > CH ... you have very accurate eyes ;-) > I had the hope the flare issue went unnoticed. > > But ... how do you rule out it's not a CA issue of the OMZ 300 4,5? > More: what if there is some CA, and I had made wrong levels > adjustments, and boosted Red a little while 'Sharpen edges' too? My 300/4.5 and most other Zuikos has CA in purple, now the flare is the yellow extends. BTW, 300/4.5 won't do that bad. > > Remember some of the flowers are moving, ghosting shouldn't count as > flare ! - shutter speed might have been 1/60 IIRC. > Ghosting due to motion should be side movements, now the flare glow at the top of the flowers. > Fernando (who is not asking now, all the question I have prepared for you > ;-) ) > > Rushing to work ................. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 01:03:33 2010 Received: (qmail 4251 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2010 23:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 May 2010 23:03:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225B0E180B5 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEE3E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831383610005 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404B23610004 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f185.google.com (mail-qy0-f185.google.com [209.85.221.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so610165qyk.6 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.199 with SMTP id hv7mr850720qcb.167.1273705407769; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.248.84 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CCBF6D22F081F0-DDC-4A7D@Webmail-d107.sysops.aol.com> <4BEA9D69.9000009@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:03:27 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Demise of the Gs? [was Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience--Sony's NEX vs G11 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 01:03:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb33c5240751612113968 On Wednesday, May 12, 2010, Ken Norton wrote: > Take your iPhone, cut it in half, and glue a big lens to the back side. Sort of like...? :) Cheers, Marc (who enjoys iPhonography, and would *almost* buy this) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 02:14:03 2010 Received: (qmail 17404 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 00:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 00:14:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B906DE18039 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840E9E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D813610003 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D733610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4D0Dqhb002808 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 10:13:53 +1000 Message-Id: <201005130013.o4D0Dqhb002808@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 13 May 2010 10:13:52 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:13:52 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 02:14:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb444b223247801554290 > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > I don't think you are missing anything, John, that was my thought as > well. > ...and this gives Chris the option to use the 15/4.5 on an M9 in the future. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 02:48:33 2010 Received: (qmail 6300 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 00:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 00:48:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7C0E18091 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A66CE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F83610002 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091943610003 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2C009ET29N04Q1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:48:59 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnkbAKXp6ksY4MkM/2dsb2JhbACIcpA6D4VfrS+QEw6FBASGag X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,218,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="792114888" Received: from blk-224-201-12.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.201.12]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:48:26 -0300 Message-id: <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:48:24 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7111 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 02:48:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb4c61161531342116753 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:37 AM Subject: [OM] Incident Light metering > An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- > camera reflected-light ****SHIT !!! jh > metering solution, no matter what it does. This is in terms of > "accuracy". However, modern > multi-segment light meters with powerful CPUs and a database of > reference images, like > that found in the Nikon F6, are probably best at maximising the > captured dynamic range, > especially on slide film. > > I never shoot slide film without incident light metering (of course, I > never shoot slide > film in anything but non-metered medium format cameras, but you get > the point). Even when > you go to extremely low light levels, such as this shot I made (18 > minute exposure at f/32, > very high contrast captured on a poor-latitude slide film) no in- > camera meter could ever > accurately meter it with the same confidence, you'd always have to > fiddle around with > multi-spot this, exposure-compensation-that, etc. > > http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > > I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that an incident > meter meters it *exactly* > for how it should be exposed, no additional brain-power required. > > Dawid > > > On 12 May 2010, at 4:38 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> It's a hard subject to meter. An incident light meter would be nice. >> But if I have an OM-4 in my hands I always think "I don't need no >> stinking incident light meter." > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5110 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5110 (20100512) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 03:04:45 2010 Received: (qmail 11844 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 01:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 01:04:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BA2E180BF for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D034E24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4816EE47228 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D577BE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so613515vws.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.227 with SMTP id g35mr1824780vcp.267.1273712651358; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <911858A3A1094613B4274830A4158366@MAIN> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:04:11 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] More with the 100/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 03:04:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb502d212151234514069 Agree on both ... after I wrote my previous questions I went back to the .jpg - I concluded the same, on second thought. Thanks once again, CH. And thanks to Ken too. I had little time today to comment on anything you wrote but read all of it and found it very very useful. I'm about to read it again, since it's 10 p.m. and just finished working - a couple of hours 'till sleeping. It's amazing how much photography did I learn here at this list since I joined during 2002. Not only photography, BTW. Fernando. 2010/5/12 C.H.Ling : > > My 300/4.5 and most other Zuikos has CA in purple, now the flare is the > yellow extends. BTW, 300/4.5 won't do that bad. [snip] > Ghosting due to motion should be side movements, now the flare glow at the > top of the flowers. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 03:44:46 2010 Received: (qmail 30651 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 01:44:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C21E180B3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0ADE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609FD3610003 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:44:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067F03610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:44:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100513014436.PEWU27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:44:36 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Gpkc1e00M233qdw02pkd9f; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:44:37 -0400 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1tC8gCE8abT1P00P8zsYPuKJ/q6rKOuccKMKwfwf08U= c=1 sm=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=l5deMUlvAAAA:20 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=7IozFXkhAYNf6657TcUA:9 a=05RUhb6hce4JpSN3GpkA:7 a=TBb1Xe4RNiy7t4UERwdOEic52vAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <9331EF15470C4283A3198FC9D9348B75@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:44:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 03:44:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb598e57124877110844 It's a hard lesson to learn. I used only an old minolta autometer when I was shooting film, and it never failed me, although it had an appetite for batteries. There is no easier, more accurate way to meter, I never used the spot meter on my OM4. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawid Loubser" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:37 AM > Subject: [OM] Incident Light metering > > >> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >> camera reflected-light > > ****SHIT !!! > > > jh > > > > > > >> metering solution, no matter what it does. This is in terms of >> "accuracy". However, modern >> multi-segment light meters with powerful CPUs and a database of >> reference images, like >> that found in the Nikon F6, are probably best at maximising the >> captured dynamic range, >> especially on slide film. >> >> I never shoot slide film without incident light metering (of course, I >> never shoot slide >> film in anything but non-metered medium format cameras, but you get >> the point). Even when >> you go to extremely low light levels, such as this shot I made (18 >> minute exposure at f/32, >> very high contrast captured on a poor-latitude slide film) no in- >> camera meter could ever >> accurately meter it with the same confidence, you'd always have to >> fiddle around with >> multi-spot this, exposure-compensation-that, etc. >> >> http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 >> >> I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that an incident >> meter meters it *exactly* >> for how it should be exposed, no additional brain-power required. >> >> Dawid >> >> >> On 12 May 2010, at 4:38 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >>> It's a hard subject to meter. An incident light meter would be nice. >>> But if I have an OM-4 in my hands I always think "I don't need no >>> stinking incident light meter." >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5110 (20100512) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5110 (20100512) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2869 - Release Date: 05/12/10 06:26:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 05:32:24 2010 Received: (qmail 16766 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 03:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 03:32:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF5EE180BA for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DECE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0966F34AC028 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91DA34AC026 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so409343pwj.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.110.4 with SMTP id n4mr5768961rvm.261.1273721535257; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 04:32:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 05:32:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb72c8190259752976205 I think this amount of brain-power (and I'm not belittling it), would get you the right result with any kind of decent meter. I reckon that's the point - however you choose to work, you've got to work at it :-) Tom On 12 May 2010 19:35, Dawid Loubser wrote: > I held the incident meter very close to the picture frame, > right against the wall. With this shot, I wanted the area very > close to the candle correctly exposed (i.e. not over-exposed), > with the rest gently falling off. After applying what I thought > would be sensible time for reciprocity failure on Provia > (which is excellent in this regards) I exposed exactly as per > the meter reading, and it came out very well. > On 12 May 2010, at 1:34 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > >> http://snipurl.com/w5ux5 > > > > > > > > > >> ... no additional brain-power required. > >> > > > > Where did you hold your incident meter? > > > > Tom > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 06:39:33 2010 Received: (qmail 8361 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 04:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 04:39:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD61E18071 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235B7E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28AF3610004 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A29B3610002 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so608029wyb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.9 with SMTP id u9mr7725372wbw.27.1273725564701; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm6054112wbd.16.2010.05.12.21.39.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <798012.52125.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 05:39:23 +0100 Message-Id: <8F26ACFC-A3CE-4927-B3D6-1B1AF20C3445@threeshoes.net> References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <798012.52125.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 06:39:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb8285177211342116753 Thanks a lot, John. I already have a 25mm viewfinder, but I'll look at various places for the VM adaptor. Cheers Chris On 12 May 2010, at 21:52, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Chris , > You are welcome to borrow my lens with attached screw to "M" mount adaptor for a few weeks. Just let me know when. > Good place for adaptors is Stephen Gandy at Cameraquest. > Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 06:41:33 2010 Received: (qmail 19308 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 04:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 04:41:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B65E18087 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575D8E24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F5B3610001 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE343610004 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 34so608029wyb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.141 with SMTP id d13mr7739768wbv.40.1273725593537; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm6054112wbd.16.2010.05.12.21.39.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 21:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <1368307B-27F9-45F9-92B9-589D40688BB9@frozenlight.eu> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 05:39:52 +0100 Message-Id: <388003FB-D387-4E7C-ABCA-35CCA04F8EA5@threeshoes.net> References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <54D68A00-2470-41C5-817B-30EF453B1E76@threeshoes.net> <1368307B-27F9-45F9-92B9-589D40688BB9@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 06:41:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb82fd123771342116753 Thanks, Nathan. Chris On 12 May 2010, at 22:25, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > No, I do not have any screw mount lenses. I do use a 90mm Elmarit M with adapter on the GF-1, and it works fine. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 06:43:12 2010 Received: (qmail 20545 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 04:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 04:43:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CEBE18098 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0BAE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA793610005 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0B33610004 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so304296wwb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.7 with SMTP id u7mr7667315wbw.143.1273725705032; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm6045283wbb.20.2010.05.12.21.41.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <2B4ECF8D-92C4-4EED-9F0F-E53BCADA4724@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 05:41:43 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <2B4ECF8D-92C4-4EED-9F0F-E53BCADA4724@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 06:43:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb8360138505368819438 Indeed, Andrew. Has anyone told you that you have too many lenses in too many different fits yet? :-) Chris On 12 May 2010, at 22:43, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Exactly 1mm - because Leica designed it that way. Nice. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 06:45:13 2010 Received: (qmail 6165 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 04:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 04:45:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAA8E180A6 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4669DE24AA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427E8E47214 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F7BE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39so304740wwb.20 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.141 with SMTP id d13mr7742111wbv.40.1273725797261; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y22sm6074236wby.17.2010.05.12.21.43.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 May 2010 21:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <201005130013.o4D0Dqhb002808@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 05:43:14 +0100 Message-Id: <275D4E00-3171-47C4-BB27-82A2945FA459@threeshoes.net> References: <201005130013.o4D0Dqhb002808@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 06:45:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb83d9149221879814018 Great idea! :-) I don't even look at the Leic* adverts, brochures, reviews. I don't want to want one ... Chris On 13 May 2010, at 01:13, Wayne Harridge wrote: > ...and this gives Chris the option to use the 15/4.5 on an M9 in the future. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 07:43:27 2010 Received: (qmail 12636 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 05:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 05:43:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143EFE180A2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9095CE24A9E for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A5BE47209 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FDAE47204 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp08.register.it [81.88.48.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 22:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28311 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 05:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.35.222.41) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 13 May 2010 05:43:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:43:11 +0200 Message-Id: References: <5E288CF1-9C80-40F1-A2D9-046CE323A061@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] [Leica] Oly 9-18 vs Panasonic 7-14: any experience out there? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 07:43:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4beb917f77161136683642 Thanks for the helpful replies, everyone. I ended up deciding for the 7-14, based on the f4 constant aperture and above all, optical quality. I also realized that once extended and ready for picture-taking, the 9-18 is not that much smaller. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 9, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > During my trip to US later this month, I plan to take advantage of exchange rates and relative prices and get a wide angle zoom for my Panasonic GF-1. When the new 9-18mm from Olympus was announced, I got pretty excited about it, as its focal range is exactly what I need, and the light weight and compactness are very much in keeping with the whole Micro 4/3 credo. > > However, reading the review of the lens on dpreview, I get a distinct impression that the 9-18 is dog's breakfast: unsharp in corners (improves when stopping down, but so does every lens), high chromatic aberration, flare--in other words, a high price to pay for small size. The Panasonic 7-14mm seems more solid and better performing. > > So now I am leaning towards the 7-14. But before placing the order, I would like to hear any personal experiences with these 2 lenses, in Micro 4/3 mount (the 9-18 is available in regular 4/3 where it is apparently a lot better optically). The $300 price difference is of no consequence. > > TIA, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 09:37:59 2010 Received: (qmail 17785 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A945E180A2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 00:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D717E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 00:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18316E47214 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 00:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C83E47209 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp08.register.it [81.88.48.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21822 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 07:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.35.222.41) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 13 May 2010 07:37:50 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <986E14A9-2972-4E01-9BFB-F2F7E7469B1A@frozenlight.eu> References: <476193.83798.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Curious if anyone... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 09:37:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebac57185141950411718 I hate gardening, naked or otherwise, so no ;-) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 11, 2010, at 4:15 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > ...documented the event: > > http://www.wngd.org/ > > Boris > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 10:01:24 2010 Received: (qmail 9174 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 08:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 08:01:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6B2E1808F for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60B7E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA0BE47209 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E60FE47204 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:01:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 666 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:15:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <184B3B4B-27EB-4632-84CC-131B49B2B0BF@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BEB109E.9040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:01:14 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <4BEA9856.70008@chucknorcutt.com> <4BEB109E.9040003@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 10:01:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebb1d4230761136683642 Schneider Super-Angulon 90mm f/5.6XL. I have the fixed-lens version, so even though I can in theory change lenses, it'll take a bit of surgery, not something done on-the-fly. I really like the 90mm's perspective on this format, though, never felt I needed something else. Dawid On 12 May 2010, at 10:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What lens are you using on your 617? > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 10:07:13 2010 Received: (qmail 16927 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 08:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 08:07:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E95E180A5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB45E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6972F3610004 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8F33610002 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:07:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 401 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:07:04 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 10:07:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebb331168631234514069 John, care to elaborate? I stated in my first post, that when it comes to optimising exposure to capture the most dynamic range, multi-segment matrix meters and fully-electronic cameras may even have the edge. But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually meter the light, i.e. that it's not distant). I am open to discussion though :-) But you'll have to make a very strong argument, as the past couple of years of experience have taught me this. With any reflected-light meter, you have to become good at guessing exposure compensation, or taking multiple shots. With any of my mechanical cameras + incident meter, I am making much more accurate exposures than what my Canon 1-series SLR with multi-segment-matrix- metering ever did. Of course, it's a slower process. Dawid On 13 May 2010, at 2:48 AM, John Hudson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawid Loubser" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:37 AM > Subject: [OM] Incident Light metering > > >> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >> camera reflected-light > > ****SHIT !!! > > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 10:10:22 2010 Received: (qmail 19561 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 08:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 08:10:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B77E1808B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94C1E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE03E47223 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:10:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30F5E47214 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:10:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 325 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:24:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0AF41EE9-37B7-44C2-81DC-EAA71295EE02@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BEB0A9F.4050408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:10:12 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <20416639-2953-4ABC-8783-9EB49592400F@solms.co.za> <4BEB0A9F.4050408@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 10:10:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebb3ee100542517112723 Chuck, that looks like a lovely camera, and much more versatile than the Linhof for perspective correction, DOF enhancement, and accurate framing. A very different type of camera. The Linhof is one of the world's biggest scale-focusing point-and-shoots, but with that comes quick photo opportunities, ease of use, and extreme rigidity / build quality, it really feels like an oversized Leica (and so it should, at 3x the price new...) But I must admit, the Shen-Hao looks wonderful, I wouldn't say no to one! Dawid P.S. I really don't care about brand names, I just happened to get the Linhof for cheaper than any other 6x17 available to me at the time, it's all in the lens in anyway. On 12 May 2010, at 10:07 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, it's not a Linhof, Dawid, but what do you think of this 617? > and its film holder > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> >> There is some formats where one does not shoot film because it's fun >> or different, >> but simply because it's hopelessly better than anything comparable. >> >> If any of you ever find a good deal on a Linhof 617, never pass it >> up! >> Such a camera is endlessly satisfying, even for "boring" shots like >> these. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 10:23:48 2010 Received: (qmail 26807 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 08:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 08:23:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A282E180A8 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2472BE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1143610003 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03223610002 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f185.google.com (mail-qy0-f185.google.com [209.85.221.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so1236381qyk.6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.185.1 with SMTP id cm1mr5239566qcb.57.1273739022124; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.248.84 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 01:23:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <819537C8-879B-482E-89FE-96229047A2F6@threeshoes.net> <32C6D28A-CAF7-4A1B-BE6F-C5A10DC5B608@people.net.au> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:23:22 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Hmm, might someone have an interest? Micro 4/3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 10:23:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebb714177391612113968 Further to my email below: though this seems really just a far-less-hopeful aesthetic/pointless hack. Still... Cheers, Marc On 4 May 2010 16:10, Marc Lawrence wrote: > Well, you never know...digital G, OM4D, AE1 Digital: > > > > Cheers, > Marc > > On 4 May 2010 07:02, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> I still live in (very) faint hope of a digital G. Would that not be >> nice?! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 11:43:41 2010 Received: (qmail 4711 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 09:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 09:43:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E0E18095 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 02:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697A8E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 02:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB5034AC026 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 02:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31234AC025 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 02:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 02:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22393 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 May 2010 09:43:32 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <44568.11988.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:43:31 +1000 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <44568.11988.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 11:43:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebc9cd262665368819438 Of course there was an alternative - a Leica IIIg! :-) The early CV Bessas were screw mount too. And of course the 15mm was also made in Nikon F mount... RF on a 15mm? Icing on the cake - unnecessary but quite nice. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 7:58 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > As you pointed out the Leica screw to M mount is very > unobtrusive. When I bought my CV 15mm lens it was only available in > screw fitting so there was NO alternative to the adaptor (or is it > adapter?). I believe CV now do the 15mm in bayonet mount, same > optical formulae but much more expensive. $160 over screw > mount......adaptor $60. Admittedly it has rangefinder coupling but > is this really needed on a 15mm lens! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 12:04:22 2010 Received: (qmail 20307 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 10:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 10:04:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAED3E180A9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DC2E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC0334AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C1A34AC025 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15556 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 10:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 May 2010 10:04:15 -0000 Message-Id: <09D3F3D9-1B88-4D08-A4B8-DEF3A2A402F1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:04:15 +1000 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 12:04:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebcea6190511612113968 Be careful how you use the word 'always'! I had a job yesterday shooting clothing - expensive designer jeans - about 35 pairs ranging from around $300-750 (who would pay THAT for jeans?) Switching from black jeans to white (twice) and back an incident reading would have been a problem as they reflect very different amounts of light. I had to hold all detail in both. I needed trial and error in manual, moving up and down the aperture scale with especial reference to the blown highlight indicator on the display review. Some days I give thanks for digital, and Lightroom. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 6:07 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied > the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain > that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture > the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually > meter > the light, i.e. that it's not distant). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 12:07:02 2010 Received: (qmail 873 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 10:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 10:07:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4DCE1809D for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75DDE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66501B37F59 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C401B37F7E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 03:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18150 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 10:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 May 2010 10:06:51 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:06:51 +1000 References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <2B4ECF8D-92C4-4EED-9F0F-E53BCADA4724@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 12:07:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebcf46132033900897491 Don't be silly. I have a couple of friends who are much worse for different mounts - MUCH! Er - too many lenses? Can you explain that concept? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/05/2010, at 2:41 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Indeed, Andrew. Has anyone told you that you have too many lenses > in too many different fits yet? > :-) > Chris > On 12 May 2010, at 22:43, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Exactly 1mm - because Leica designed it that way. Nice. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 13:11:54 2010 Received: (qmail 17208 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 11:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 11:11:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC33E180BF for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3E3E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A133B37F7B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A42B37F71 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:11:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:11:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 705 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:25:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <9CEC018A-DCAC-4CC8-909C-82C539B020A3@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <09D3F3D9-1B88-4D08-A4B8-DEF3A2A402F1@people.net.au> X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:11:35 +0200 References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> <09D3F3D9-1B88-4D08-A4B8-DEF3A2A402F1@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 13:11:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebde7a278552439112457 Andrew, I agree, "always" is usually dangerous. Let me qualify my statement: I still maintain that incident metering is *always* more *accurate*. If the jean is black, it will be rendered as black. If the jean is white, it will be rendered as white. If your capture medium has adequate dynamic range, it will capture both the extent that is necessary to accurately render their likeness. In the same light, an incident meter will cause you to photograph two "white" jeans with slightly different brightness levels such that those differences are recorded precisely. No reflected meter will ever do that, you will have to lock exposure, or spot meter a different area, or whatever (both of which works, BTW). But my point is, the incident meter is the only one that will give you a measured, accurate indication. It's fool-proof, the only fooling around necessary is when your capture medium is not capable of recording an extreme. Of course, if you wish to portray the photographed item different to what it really is, then you have to apply exposure compensation either way. The nice thing with incident metering, however, is that you can decide to render it "one stop brighter than what it really is", versus "one stop brighter than how my reflected-light-meter interpreted it compared to 18% grey". Of course, both incident and reflected light meters are calibrated for objects with "average" reflectance, so when it comes to photographing shiny chrome balls or black velvet, you may have to apply compensation either way. All I'm saying, is that incident gives you an accurate (measured) base to start from, not an interpreted one. This is one of those arguments similar to film vs digital though, everybody is comfortable with their own workflow / photographic process, and that's what makes us all produce (hopefully) unique pictures! p.s. Wow, those were some seriously expensive jeans, some people are "into" the weirdest things. You can buy some amazing OM glass for $750 :-) all the best, Dawid On 13 May 2010, at 12:04 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Be careful how you use the word 'always'! > I had a job yesterday shooting clothing - expensive designer jeans - > about 35 pairs ranging from around $300-750 (who would pay THAT for > jeans?) > Switching from black jeans to white (twice) and back an incident > reading would have been a problem as they reflect very different > amounts of light. I had to hold all detail in both. I needed trial and > error in manual, moving up and down the aperture scale with especial > reference to the blown highlight indicator on the display review. > Some days I give thanks for digital, and Lightroom. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 13/05/2010, at 6:07 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied >> the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain >> that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture >> the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually >> meter >> the light, i.e. that it's not distant). > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 13:14:20 2010 Received: (qmail 29512 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 11:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 11:14:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7079DE180AB for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1094E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C4734AC029 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43AE34AC02A for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:13:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 554 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:13:06 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] difficulties in photographing autumn foliage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 13:14:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebdf0c197861879814018 On 12 May 2010, at 5:28 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >>> The limitations you find with digital photography can be >>> solved with the simple expedient of setting a -2/3 exposure >>> compensation >>> on the camera. Just go do it. It's simple and you'll be >>> happier. :-) >> > > > Or, disable ESP metering and use center-weight averaging... > > AG Or use incident metering... (Tongue-in-cheek, since we're arguing the merits of this in another thread at this moment...) Dawid (rockin'-the-boat-this-week) Loubser -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 13:25:41 2010 Received: (qmail 8904 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 11:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 11:25:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CECE180AA for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F5DE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA95934AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 04:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E6634AC025 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 13:44:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebe63a174579752976205 Andrew wrote > Er - too many lenses? Can you explain that concept? Thank you Andrew. I feel better already :-) Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 14:51:56 2010 Received: (qmail 23501 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 12:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 12:51:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7512E180B3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63DAE24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98427B37F7B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A71B37F67 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o4DCpiT0019325 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:51:44 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o4DCphUN008450 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:51:43 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za><7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:51:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 14:51:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebf5ec96164877110844 Dawid, I also have some reserve for "An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in-camera reflected-light". No matter incident light meter or in-camera meter, you need the knowledge to use it properly, both can be accurate or fail. Take an example for incident light meter: Mid-day sun, top illumination, if you use lumisphere, the face exposure could be wrong. A lumidisc could be a better choice with proper angle facing the light. For in-camera metering, there is a common way to simulate an incident meter - to meter an object with known reflective index. A simple object is your own hand (with +/- compensation) and a more precise one is grey card. You can set the grey card at a proper angle to simulate the object illumination. I have been shooting slides with my OM-4/4Ti for some years without using my Sekonic 328F (which dedicated for flash and my Bronica SQ-A), I wouldn't say there is no error but for any complex situation I just spot on an object that I believe the reflection is near mid-tone, it "always" work. IMO multi-segment-matrix is the most non-guarantee but simple and fast metering, it shouldn't be used as a benchmark for "accurate way of metering". C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" > John, care to elaborate? I stated in my first post, that > when it comes to optimising exposure to capture the most dynamic > range, multi-segment matrix meters and fully-electronic cameras > may even have the edge. > > But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied > the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain > that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture > the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually meter > the light, i.e. that it's not distant). > > I am open to discussion though :-) But you'll have to make a very strong > argument, as the past couple of years of experience have taught me this. > With any reflected-light meter, you have to become good at guessing > exposure > compensation, or taking multiple shots. > > With any of my mechanical cameras + incident meter, I am making much > more accurate > exposures than what my Canon 1-series SLR with multi-segment-matrix- > metering > ever did. Of course, it's a slower process. > > Dawid > > > On 13 May 2010, at 2:48 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dawid Loubser" >>> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >>> camera reflected-light >> >> ****SHIT !!! >> >> >> jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 14:54:52 2010 Received: (qmail 3328 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 12:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 12:54:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E29E18098 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E057AE24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D220E34AC029 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6928034AC027 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23541 invoked by uid 504); 13 May 2010 12:53:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100513-0, 05/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 14:54:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebf69c84481413256596 Thanks. That's exactly what I was intending to choose should I actually ever jump for a 617. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > Schneider Super-Angulon 90mm f/5.6XL. I have the fixed-lens version, > so even though I can in theory change lenses, it'll take a bit of > surgery, not something done on-the-fly. > > I really like the 90mm's perspective on this format, though, never > felt I needed something else. > > Dawid > > > On 12 May 2010, at 10:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> What lens are you using on your 617? >> >> Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 15:13:34 2010 Received: (qmail 32674 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 13:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 13:13:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BA5E180BE for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AC6E24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A785534AC026 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059234AC025 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so137102wwf.20 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.203 with SMTP id a53mr2627212wef.25.1273756403896; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.181.133 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 15:13:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bebfafe218531234514069 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:51 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > I have been shooting slides with my OM-4/4Ti for some years without using my > Sekonic 328F (which dedicated for flash and my Bronica SQ-A), I wouldn't say > there is no error but for any complex situation I just spot on an object > that I believe the reflection is near mid-tone, it "always" work. My experience as well. It may not be, theoretically, the most accurate meter, but it always works for me, which is why I mentioned this method at the beginning of the thread in response to Fernando's photo. I often multispot a variety of midtone objects -- because I can with an OM-4(x). I bought my original OM-4T when I was anticipating shooting in a slot canyon with Velvia. Telephoto lens, often pointed nearly straight up, all in shadow exact for patches of light and reflected light from one side of the canyon wall to the other. One spot reading in auto mode and let the camera go for as long as it thinks it needs. I would have taken an incident light meter if I had thought it would have been of any use in this situation. I do think incident light meters are great tools. I wish I hadn't lost mine and I've yet to replace it. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 15:55:08 2010 Received: (qmail 20125 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 13:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 13:55:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3BAE180A6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B26E24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB49B38567 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D031B38563 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f178.google.com (mail-yx0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so460022yxe.26 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.131.11 with SMTP id e11mr402442ybd.270.1273758894445; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:54:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: McRUmA1_9xbwTVutYWkaM_PGyX4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 15:55:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec04bc281241234514069 The following photograph illustrates the type of scene where an incident meter is golden. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=468&Itemid=1 If I would have used the standard in-camera meter, I would have needed to find some place in the scene which I could estimate its relationship to midtone, meter on that place and then compensate. With the incident meter I just turn around (facing the camera), press the button, and set the camera to whatever the meter says. No guesswork, no worries, no chimping, no runs, drips or errors. A few weeks back, the Olympus Living History Farm was bequeathed a Sekonic L-508 meter. Subsequently, the Polaris meter went to live with another photographer. Both meters measure flash/ambient and are within 1/10 of each other. The Sekonic has the advantage (one of many) of having a built-in spot-meter, but the Polaris allows you to get a wider angle reading. Functionaly, the two are identical except the Sekonic requires you to carry a manual around with it to figure out how to use it. ;) At this moment (until I change it again next week), the small bag has the OM-3Ti with a nice selection of lenses from 24mm to 100mm, filters, lensshades and the Sekonic meter. It's really one of those items I don't like to leave home without. Oh, and Andrew... Next time you need to use a digital camera with greater dynamic range. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 16:01:35 2010 Received: (qmail 1493 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 14:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 14:01:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E8CE180B3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AB0E24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3386BB386FD for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C8B386D3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so957526vws.20 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.124.144 with SMTP id u16mr2215386vcr.248.1273759287149; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:01:27 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 16:01:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec063f225721076813867 I never thought that an almost forgotten trial photo of mine would arise such an interesting thread. There's a Gossen Lunasix 3 nearby, but I don't know if it's properly calibrated or way out. Mercury batteries measure Ok. Why does it stay there over my desk, instead of inside my Lowepro bag? Because IMHO, metering must be as quick as possible. Lighting conditions vary too fast. And regarding my yellow flowers photo, you know: it was so hot that walking a few meters with the Gossen would have made me think it twice before ... But the time for the Gossen may have arrived. At least I will find out if it's properly calibrated or went way off during these years ... Fernando . 2010/5/13 Joel Wilcox : > , which is why I mentioned > this method at the beginning of the thread in response to Fernando's > photo. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 16:08:55 2010 Received: (qmail 13419 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 14:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 14:08:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE02E180B9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07B6E24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979BEB38910 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437DDB3890C for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7so772339ywh.26 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.25.7 with SMTP id c7mr442029ybj.227.1273759724688; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9CF74E6C-033B-489E-A9CC-5BD2B6AE8E1E@threeshoes.net> <219949.71472.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <2B4ECF8D-92C4-4EED-9F0F-E53BCADA4724@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:08:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zv0cC9EzExyySfke5e2EsXD3bKM Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Leica L mount adaptor for mFT? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 16:08:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec07f7170261357919056 > > Don't be silly. I have a couple of friends who are much worse for > different mounts - MUCH! > Er - too many lenses? Can you explain that concept? > For a few years I lived by the concept of "If you can't carry all your cameras and lenses at one time then you have too many cameras and lenses. Digital really screwed that up. But the premise is sound, I think... Maybe being forced to live with three or so lenses through financially hard times had influenced that opinion--it's easy to be judgmental about people eating steak when all you can afford is beans. Yet, I look through my current kit and think about what I can do without... ...still looking. AG Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 16:21:53 2010 Received: (qmail 13424 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 14:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 14:21:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756B5E1805D for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8EEE24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057C4B38C90 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E63B38C8E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f185.google.com (mail-qy0-f185.google.com [209.85.221.185]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so1587430qyk.6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.64.76 with SMTP id d12mr6249114qai.208.1273760503661; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.27.136 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 16:21:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec0b01313511946193717 I'm interested in a hand-held meter because the camera with which I am currently enthralled (Voigtl=E4nder Perkeo) has no meter. As small and nice as OM bodies are, I got tired of carrying around one of mine just for the meter, and don't yet trust myself, even with print film, to use sunny 16 and guess. I'm likely the odd man out around here though. I hope the Lunasix is still properly calibrated. That is a nice looking meter. :-D Paul C > > Why does it stay there over my desk, instead of inside my Lowepro bag? > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 16:56:05 2010 Received: (qmail 25279 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 14:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 14:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D85E180C1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7B2E24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5CB34AC032 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DB834AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so538508gya.20 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.253.11 with SMTP id a11mr426479ybi.245.1273762512727; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.7.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:55:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:55:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3vqDmZIMuVylgRUbEywinMwe-3I Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 16:56:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec1305281461950411718 > > Because IMHO, metering must be as quick as possible. Lighting > conditions vary too fast. > And regarding my yellow flowers photo, you know: it was so hot that > walking a few meters with the Gossen would have made me think it twice > before ... > As long as you place the meter in exactly the same light as the subject, you're OK. No walking necessary. When doing outdoor photography, I'm almost always in the same light as my subject so just turning around and getting a reading is all that's required. Of course, when working with flash, that's another story. You need to place the meter in the same location as your subject. With artificial lighting, the light-to-subject distance is the critical factor but sunlight illumination is not such handicapped. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 17:19:22 2010 Received: (qmail 32523 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 15:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 15:19:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2D2E180AB for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF83E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F366EE47203 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221BEE47212 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.79) for ; 14 May 2010 01:19:12 +1000 From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:19:08 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0004752910.0001V8GK@ns2.comkal.net> Subject: [OM] It's good to be home :-) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 17:19:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec187a72265368819438 and relaxing with a good bottle of WA Red, which I could swear is more than 14% OM content, there is none, Taken with E1 + Sigma f2.8 zoom I'll be moving back to Western Australia permanently before September, I'm needed more there than here in Victoria Australia, and I wont argue :-) Gee, I must learn to unsub when I go travelling ! Cheers Ian Manners "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." CalviN and HobbEs -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 20:05:42 2010 Received: (qmail 12450 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 18:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 18:05:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8801CE180A0 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCE4E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6991E47205 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C7E47204 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so224972wwb.20 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.7 with SMTP id m7mr149995wbs.137.1273773930569; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm10419645wbd.7.2010.05.13.11.05.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:05:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0004752910.0001V8GK@ns2.comkal.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0004752910.0001V8GK@ns2.comkal.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] It's good to be home :-) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 20:05:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec3f76183021234514069 There's something rather special about Pinot Noir, especially slightly chilled ... Chris On 13 May 2010, at 16:19, Ian Manners wrote: > and relaxing with a good bottle of WA Red, which I could swear is more than 14% > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 20:27:48 2010 Received: (qmail 5334 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 18:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 18:27:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B437E18093 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAABE24AA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20643E47204 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF17E47203 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100513182724.LPBB26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:24 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id H6TN1e009233qdw026TPTH; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:27:23 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aULFgNpA2FocahsKo8+v7SODIG/QbULPhZLHKS4UqaY= c=1 sm=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=X6NANvtoNp4j9EjZXMwA:9 a=HWhz0-TumnPY87Geqxo2MhbH804A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <34CAA5496A93446D8999B3DCB7B9DEB5@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za><7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson><1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za><09D3F3D9-1B88-4D08-A4B8-DEF3A2A402F1@people.net.au> <9CEC018A-DCAC-4CC8-909C-82C539B020A3@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:27:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 20:27:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec44a4165272439112457 > If the jean is black, it will be rendered as black. If the > jean is white, it will be rendered as white. That's correct, but in reality, what he wants is for the black jeans to be not quite black and the white ones just a bit less that white, to preserve details so they can be easily seen by prospective buyers. That goal will always be something different than what an "art" photographer wants, as Andrew will tend to blow out skin a bit to remove blemishes. Bill pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 21:58:43 2010 Received: (qmail 23195 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 19:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 19:58:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B138E180BA for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A8FE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E490D34AC02B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467B934AC027 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29926 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 19:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.39.71.112) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 13 May 2010 19:58:32 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:58:30 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 13/5/2010: my backyard a couple of hours ago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 21:58:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec59f3270181879814018 It was like...holy shit! http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#866105147_LsSjD-O-LB Fortunately, it only lasted for 15-20 minutes. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 22:04:35 2010 Received: (qmail 6092 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 20:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 20:04:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A209E180A7 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7C0E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A85934AC030 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA1E34AC027 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (tastydoublecapp@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so687678gya.20 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.223.129 with SMTP id ik1mr136954qcb.116.1273781068420; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.27.136 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Paul Cox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 13/5/2010: my backyard a couple of hours ago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 22:04:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec5b53265487801554290 That's a very nice one. Colors are quite pleasing - the blue works well with the brown tones. Falling rain and shining sun are nice contrasts as well. A very calming, serene scene. Well done. Paul C. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > It was like...holy shit! > > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#866105147_LsSjD-O-LB > > Fortunately, it only lasted for 15-20 minutes. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 22:38:28 2010 Received: (qmail 4343 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 20:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 20:38:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B621E18091 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E95E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58374E47212 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F1CE47210 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10485 invoked by uid 504); 13 May 2010 20:38:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 May 2010 20:38:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4BEC6335.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:38:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100513-1, 05/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 22:38:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec6344253272439112457 This is my choice It's not terribly large, is about in the middle of the price range, does = ambient, flash (and especially important to me) it reports the = percentage of flash vs ambient in 10% increments. That makes fill flash = a piece of cake since when the flash is 20-30% of the exposure you have = good fill lighting ( I prefer 20% rather than 30). It has good battery = life (a year or two) and (with its optional radio module) can also = trigger Pocket Wizard receivers. I don't use Pocket Wizards (even = though I have the optional module) since it's easy to attach your chosen = transmitter via a short PC cable. The only thing I don't like is that the rotary exposure change dial = seems to have the wrong sense of direction. It turns to the right for = increasing exposure but that means that shutter speeds and focal ratios = are going down. I know it and have always known it but I almost = invariably turn the dial in the wrong direction the first time. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Cox wrote: > I'm interested in a hand-held meter because the camera with which I am > currently enthralled (Voigtl=E4nder Perkeo) has no meter. As small and n= ice > as OM bodies are, I got tired of carrying around one of mine just for the > meter, and don't yet trust myself, even with print film, to use sunny 16 = and > guess. I'm likely the odd man out around here though. > = > I hope the Lunasix is still properly calibrated. That is a nice looking > meter. :-D > = > Paul C > = > = >> Why does it stay there over my desk, instead of inside my Lowepro bag? >> >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 22:44:06 2010 Received: (qmail 1640 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 20:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 20:44:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF19E180B5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93297E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D430E47207 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F1BE47204 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14937 invoked by uid 504); 13 May 2010 20:43:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100513-1, 05/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 13/5/2010: my backyard a couple of hours ago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 22:58:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec67f3203511234514069 No wonder you were so astounded! It's not only raining... it's raining icecicles!!! :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > It was like...holy shit! > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#866105147_LsSjD-O-LB > > Fortunately, it only lasted for 15-20 minutes. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 23:01:39 2010 Received: (qmail 747 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 21:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 21:01:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2F0E180B6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD31E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB9734AC02B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C29A34AC027 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28522 invoked by uid 504); 13 May 2010 21:00:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 May 2010 21:00:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4BEC6885.8060601@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:00:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> <4BEC6335.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4BEC6335.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100513-1, 05/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 23:01:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec68b3148461234514069 It does help to double check the link. I guess it could have been = something much more embarassing. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > This is my choice > It's not terribly large, is about in the middle of the price range, does = > ambient, flash (and especially important to me) it reports the = > percentage of flash vs ambient in 10% increments. That makes fill flash = > a piece of cake since when the flash is 20-30% of the exposure you have = > good fill lighting ( I prefer 20% rather than 30). It has good battery = > life (a year or two) and (with its optional radio module) can also = > trigger Pocket Wizard receivers. I don't use Pocket Wizards (even = > though I have the optional module) since it's easy to attach your chosen = > transmitter via a short PC cable. > = > The only thing I don't like is that the rotary exposure change dial = > seems to have the wrong sense of direction. It turns to the right for = > increasing exposure but that means that shutter speeds and focal ratios = > are going down. I know it and have always known it but I almost = > invariably turn the dial in the wrong direction the first time. :-) > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Paul Cox wrote: >> I'm interested in a hand-held meter because the camera with which I am >> currently enthralled (Voigtl=E4nder Perkeo) has no meter. As small and = nice >> as OM bodies are, I got tired of carrying around one of mine just for the >> meter, and don't yet trust myself, even with print film, to use sunny 16= and >> guess. I'm likely the odd man out around here though. >> >> I hope the Lunasix is still properly calibrated. That is a nice looking >> meter. :-D >> >> Paul C >> >> >>> Why does it stay there over my desk, instead of inside my Lowepro bag? >>> >>> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 23:04:34 2010 Received: (qmail 3860 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 21:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 21:04:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FD2E180AC for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD77BE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC4834AC029 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645D734AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 14:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30225 invoked by uid 504); 13 May 2010 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100513-1, 05/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 13 23:04:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec6962210581357919056 Age related attention deficit. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> This is my choice > > Link perturbation? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 13 23:12:02 2010 Received: (qmail 26189 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 14 00:03:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec774444761234514069 Chuck, your observation about the reverse-direction dial mirrors my own thoughts about it too. It's backwards, and I am always turning it the wrong way at first. Otherwise, Sekonic meters rock. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 14 00:30:58 2010 Received: (qmail 1172 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 22:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 22:30:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3434E18095 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FAEE24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3218534AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E133234AC027 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca (mta01.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:30:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-12.01 64bit (built Oct 15 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2D00933QJGO9F0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:30:52 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAPsa7EsY4Mu8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYAvS8OhQIEhmo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,224,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="756844250" Received: from blk-224-203-188.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.203.188]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:30:36 -0300 Message-id: <5A5D667F44E944299AB3CAB1C179EF0C@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:30:37 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7117 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 14 00:30:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec7da1100835683411216 Two anecdotes: 1. I swung through the Bekka Valley, Baalbeck., and Damascus a year or five ago in high summer with an M3 and top mounted MR meter and three M lenses ...... Summarit 50/1.5, Elmarit 90/2.8 and Summilux 135/1.4 . That MR meter produced excellently exposed K25 slides and I wasn't using a grey card. I am mightily grateful that I have a hoard of Varta mercury batteries to keep the MR meter [and my M5 meter] going for long into the future. 2. The spot meter of my OM4T, regardless of lens being used, is perhaps the best metering device I have EVER used and that includes my Sekonic L508.[an incident meter]. Absent stupidity, that 4T meter produces such excellent results that one has to stand back and marvel at its performance. I don't take issue with using an incident meter but to trumpet it as the ultimate tool for measuring light for photographic exposure purposes is a stretch. The bottom lime ...............go with whatever works for you. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering > John, care to elaborate? I stated in my first post, that > when it comes to optimising exposure to capture the most dynamic > range, multi-segment matrix meters and fully-electronic cameras > may even have the edge. > > But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied > the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain > that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture > the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually meter > the light, i.e. that it's not distant). > > I am open to discussion though :-) But you'll have to make a very strong > argument, as the past couple of years of experience have taught me this. > With any reflected-light meter, you have to become good at guessing > exposure > compensation, or taking multiple shots. > > With any of my mechanical cameras + incident meter, I am making much > more accurate > exposures than what my Canon 1-series SLR with multi-segment-matrix- > metering > ever did. Of course, it's a slower process. > > Dawid > > > On 13 May 2010, at 2:48 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dawid Loubser" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:37 AM >> Subject: [OM] Incident Light metering >> >> >>> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >>> camera reflected-light >> >> ****SHIT !!! >> >> >> jh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5113 (20100513) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5113 (20100513) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 14 00:42:24 2010 Received: (qmail 23817 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 22:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 22:42:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31045E180AB for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98277E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B61134AC029 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EA534AC028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2D008FHR60Y3E0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:44:24 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAGId7EsY4Mu8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYAuyQOhQIEhmo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,224,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="744114390" Received: from blk-224-203-188.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.203.188]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:42:15 -0300 Message-id: <45F716000A9140D69F14F4E1E16C2982@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <297518E0-967A-4BCA-B5B9-D51258288BB1@solms.co.za> <7E0ECFD535744EE6BCB09512E0488C66@hudson> <1FF130EE-FD7B-4DA9-BBD1-6B79845BD8C6@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:42:16 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7117 Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 14 00:42:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec8050208461220213263 I had half-expected to have been flamed off the list for my expletive opinion on incident metering. On reflection, it is quite exhilerating to engage in conversation circling around between Hong Kong, South Africa and elsewhere. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Incident Light metering > Dawid, I also have some reserve for "An incident light meter simply cannot > be equalled by any other in-camera reflected-light". > > No matter incident light meter or in-camera meter, you need the knowledge > to > use it properly, both can be accurate or fail. Take an example for > incident > light meter: > > Mid-day sun, top illumination, if you use lumisphere, the face exposure > could be wrong. A lumidisc could be a better choice with proper angle > facing > the light. > > For in-camera metering, there is a common way to simulate an incident > meter - to meter an object with known reflective index. A simple object is > your own hand (with +/- compensation) and a more precise one is grey card. > You can set the grey card at a proper angle to simulate the object > illumination. > > I have been shooting slides with my OM-4/4Ti for some years without using > my > Sekonic 328F (which dedicated for flash and my Bronica SQ-A), I wouldn't > say > there is no error but for any complex situation I just spot on an object > that I believe the reflection is near mid-tone, it "always" work. > > IMO multi-segment-matrix is the most non-guarantee but simple and fast > metering, it shouldn't be used as a benchmark for "accurate way of > metering". > > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawid Loubser" > > >> John, care to elaborate? I stated in my first post, that >> when it comes to optimising exposure to capture the most dynamic >> range, multi-segment matrix meters and fully-electronic cameras >> may even have the edge. >> >> But when it comes to accuracy, a reflected-light meter is denied >> the simple fact of "how much light is there, actually?". I maintain >> that an incident light meter will always be more accurate to capture >> the chosen subject correctly (of course, provided you can actually meter >> the light, i.e. that it's not distant). >> >> I am open to discussion though :-) But you'll have to make a very strong >> argument, as the past couple of years of experience have taught me this. >> With any reflected-light meter, you have to become good at guessing >> exposure >> compensation, or taking multiple shots. >> >> With any of my mechanical cameras + incident meter, I am making much >> more accurate >> exposures than what my Canon 1-series SLR with multi-segment-matrix- >> metering >> ever did. Of course, it's a slower process. >> >> Dawid >> >> >> On 13 May 2010, at 2:48 AM, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dawid Loubser" >>>> An incident light meter simply cannot be equalled by any other in- >>>> camera reflected-light >>> >>> ****SHIT !!! >>> >>> >>> jh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5113 (20100513) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5113 (20100513) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 14 00:47:25 2010 Received: (qmail 17295 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2010 22:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 May 2010 22:47:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE80E18092 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C01E24A9E for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B31734AC02A for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D458034AC029 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 15:47:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L2D008CHREFY1E0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:49:27 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAH8e7EsY4Mu8/2dsb2JhbACIcZYAuzYOhQIEhmo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,224,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="209543688" Received: from blk-224-203-188.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.203.188]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:47:18 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0004752910.0001V8GK@ns2.comkal.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:47:19 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7117 Subject: Re: [OM] It's good to be home :-) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 14 00:47:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4bec817d258151946193717 I thought you were referring to a fine red from WAshington state !! Right up there with reds from Oregon and California but a tad behind those from BC [that's British Columbia!] jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: [OM] It's good to be home :-) > and relaxing with a good bottle of WA Red, which I could swear is more > than 14% > > > > OM content, there is none, > > Taken with E1 + Sigma f2.8 zoom > > I'll be moving back to Western Australia permanently before September, > I'm needed more there than here in Victoria Australia, and I wont argue > :-) > > Gee, I must learn to unsub when I go travelling ! > > Cheers > Ian Manners > > "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere > in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." 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At the least the sun is out. We've had nothing but rain w/ no sun. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 14 0