From nilsf Tue Jun 1 01:26:40 2010 Received: (qmail 27447 invoked by uid 0); 31 May 2010 23:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 May 2010 23:26:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F47E18088 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DBDE2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F6D34AC02D for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609C534AC02B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.178.89]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3B00F6I5407T80@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:26:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C0445A0.3020506@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:26:24 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Ninja, or news of Andrew's Macro 35 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 01:26:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0445b0115032439112457 philippe.amard wrote: > I bought Andrew's 35 macro last fall as a replacement for Alice's that > had been stolen, and never took time to use either myself until two > weeks ago. > Here is a take on the L1 that proves my satisfaction. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219715-1/Ninja-1000440.jpg Satisfaction? That's a dynamite shot! Thanks. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 01:46:16 2010 Received: (qmail 16783 invoked by uid 0); 31 May 2010 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 May 2010 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDADE180B9 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA83E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8C534AC028 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D7834AC026 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.178.89]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3B00EZF60YEFU0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:46:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C044A42.7050709@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:46:10 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> In-reply-to: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 01:46:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c044a48239452013633067 Jim Nichols wrote: > Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. This fern frond seemed interesting. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Tones.jpg.html > Very nice. And I'm with Chuck on the B&W. Great either way. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 03:00:57 2010 Received: (qmail 7465 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 01:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 01:00:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54FCE180BE for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E597E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052CB3610003 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942C63610001 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12837 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jun 2010 01:00:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100531-1, 05/31/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Small Insect X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 03:00:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c045bc937385368819438 You picked her up and checked did you? :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > I can't let Philippe have all the fun. While I was out looking for > flowers this morning, this Syrphid female just had to have her > picture taken. The wing span was about 12-15mm. Identification is > from the pattern on the abdomen. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Small+Insect.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 03:03:43 2010 Received: (qmail 19930 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 01:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 01:03:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FC5E180A0 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E46E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF808E47209 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55133E47207 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5113UxP011420 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:03:35 GMT Message-ID: <7988679701F04BD9A6151563A40BDB8D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> <4C044A42.7050709@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:03:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 03:03:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c045c6f269896107113666 Thanks, Russ. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. This fern >> frond seemed interesting. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Tones.jpg.html >> > > Very nice. And I'm with Chuck on the B&W. Great either way. > > > -- > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 03:07:54 2010 Received: (qmail 6737 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B25E18094 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6B7E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0904A3610005 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C9C3610004 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5117hAA012830 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:07:47 GMT Message-ID: <5B6F523D0C4F4B0EA163BAC3274C0747@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <2A3738F10C2D492799225E1282369F3B@jimnichols> <4C045BBF.9010607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:07:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Small Insect X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 03:07:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c045d6a308353900897491 No need, Chuck. The patterns on the back of the abdomen are different on males and females. I just took a close look at Google. ;~)) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Small Insect > You picked her up and checked did you? :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I can't let Philippe have all the fun. While I was out looking for >> flowers this morning, this Syrphid female just had to have her >> picture taken. The wing span was about 12-15mm. Identification is >> from the pattern on the abdomen. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Small+Insect.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 04:33:06 2010 Received: (qmail 4905 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 02:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 02:33:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6304E1808A for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89C8E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A42E47209 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD12E47207 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj15 with SMTP id 15so3095001gwj.20 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.176.75 with SMTP id bd11mr6963337ibb.22.1275359577631; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Mon, 31 May 2010 19:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 21:32:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XxSivspLCN1BovJp2_1zAkQz2KM Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 04:33:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c047162104792439112457 > Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. =A0This fern = frond seemed interesting. Absolutely beautiful, Jim. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 05:01:46 2010 Received: (qmail 13429 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95219E1809E for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30CAE2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A250E47207 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D910E47203 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5131caF013686 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:01:40 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:01:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 05:01:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04781a216691258626592 Thanks, Ken. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones >> Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. This fern >> frond seemed interesting. > > > Absolutely beautiful, Jim. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 05:54:27 2010 Received: (qmail 32723 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 03:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 03:54:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE5AE18090 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CFCE240E5 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D70CE47209 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAB8E47207 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 20:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o513sArW005353 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 23:54:10 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c12.755ca150 (55730) for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 23:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD035-d9b24c04845f118; Mon, 31 May 2010 23:54:07 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:54:07 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.167.12 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.159 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 05:54:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c048473223102517112723 This weekend was spent building a UV light box for alt process printing exposures. The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot wire. Would that probably not destroy the fan. Yes, both are solid black . . . no stripes, lines or other marks. Bill "Very tired" Barber This was a huge project. Next time I may buy one already built. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 06:16:27 2010 Received: (qmail 30589 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 04:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 04:16:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E6DE180C3 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0F4E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7743610001 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A209534AC026 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o514GIDk004302 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:16:19 +1000 Message-Id: <201006010416.o514GIDk004302@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:16:17 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:16:17 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 06:16:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04899b295701357919056 If they haven't distinguished between the 2 wires then it doesn't make any difference - just make sure the voltage rating is correct ! ...Wayne > NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > > > This weekend was spent building a UV light box for alt process printing > > exposures. > > The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My > assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot > wire. > Would that probably not destroy the fan. Yes, both are solid black . . > . no > stripes, lines or other marks. > > Bill "Very tired" Barber > > This was a huge project. Next time I may buy one already built. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 06:22:43 2010 Received: (qmail 10953 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 04:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 04:22:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103EE180A2 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60085E2410B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A8FE4720B for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7EEE47203 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o514MW3S001271 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:22:36 GMT Message-ID: <8E09A4DE2618430EA9E78D200FFAAB52@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:22:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 06:22:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c048b1362651342116753 I use a similar muffin fan from another source. I just checked, and it appears that I just soldered on connections to a 110ac cord. It has worked fine for years. As Wayne said, check the spec info if you can find it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:54 PM Subject: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! > > > This weekend was spent building a UV light box for alt process printing > exposures. > > The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My > assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot > wire. > Would that probably not destroy the fan. Yes, both are solid black . . . > no > stripes, lines or other marks. > > Bill "Very tired" Barber > > This was a huge project. Next time I may buy one already built. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 09:41:01 2010 Received: (qmail 15102 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 07:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:41:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD35AE1808E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E00E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94BBE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976E4E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so1590477vws.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:40:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.79.92 with SMTP id o28mr2131862qak.2.1275378053616; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.6.16 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:40:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8E09A4DE2618430EA9E78D200FFAAB52@jimnichols> References: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> <8E09A4DE2618430EA9E78D200FFAAB52@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:40:53 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 09:41:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04b98d319801076813867 On 6/1/10, Jim Nichols wrote: > I use a similar muffin fan from another source. I just checked, and it > appears that I just soldered on connections to a 110ac cord. It has worked > fine for years. Yes, BUT some want 12 volts DC & others may want other voltages. Take a fan that's designed for 12 DC and give it 110 AC and the least problem you'll get is a blown fan. Fire, explosion, or electric shocks at possibly fatal levels are likely. Look on the fan chassis for voltage info. If you cannot find it, buy another fan so you know & can be safe. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 09:43:31 2010 Received: (qmail 31000 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 07:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:43:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E7FE1808A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63BBE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1AA34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C851534AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:43:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 509 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:57:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:43:21 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 09:43:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04ba23152819752976205 That is really gorgeous, Philippe. Many on the list will not like it, but I am a shallow DOF freak, especially when still-recognisable objects are rendered very much out-of-focus in juxtaposition to the in-focus subject. You have accomplished that here splendidly. The ZD 35mm Macro may be one of the worst-built lenses of all time, with one of the worst focusing systems ever (you have to spin the feedback-less electronic focus ring around about 20 times to get the thing to 1:1) but boy, it does have it where it counts - the optics. Many claim it to be a better performer than the ZD 50mm f/2.0 Macro at these distances. And the ZD 50/2.0 seems to hold the position of "best digital SLR lens ever" in more than one place, i.e. DPReview, Luminous Landscape, etc. D. On 31 May 2010, at 11:03 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Microcosmos-Another+type+of+Rambla-1000497-2.jpg.html > > ZD 35mm macro - crop (severe) > C&C welcome > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 09:47:53 2010 Received: (qmail 26271 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 07:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:47:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C2E18091 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE60E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A237E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654CBE47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:47:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:47:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 104 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <21FB9C90-2E10-48BF-B6B9-2A96F36C381A@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4BF9BD68.5090004@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:47:45 +0200 References: <4BF84C56.9060909@interisland.net> <7127F962-6FAF-4F41-A3F3-F3F2A02AE3A4@people.net.au> <4BF9BD68.5090004@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 09:47:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04bb29269901220213263 Ahem... I know you are talking about "modern" cameras, but any waist- level finder camera (like my beloved Mamiya RB67, or a Hasselblad or Twin Lens Reflex) as well as any view camera are equally usable by lefties or righties. Good enough reason to stop polluting the world with worthless electronic junk (such as when tossing away your NEX-5 in 18 months when something slightly-less-awful comes from Sony to replace it) and keep on using quality film cameras :-) D. On 5/22/2010 4:21 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... > But he did pose one question - every camera out there is designed > for the right-handed person. Now he's a de facto lefty, he's having > a real problem. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 09:50:26 2010 Received: (qmail 20322 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 07:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:50:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F854E18092 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E471CE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA7E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:50:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28D7E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 718 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:04:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <9CB42BB0-BE1C-4C58-830A-571EE894F712@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8970BB3E-840F-4963-89E4-19CA29011F78@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:50:17 +0200 References: <8970BB3E-840F-4963-89E4-19CA29011F78@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Django ... Chuck X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 09:50:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04bbc2183031234514069 Wow, that is impressive flare control indeed. Yes, it's a pity the four thirds sensors suck so much (hey, compared to print film, dynamic range...), if only they could improve to the point of *really* being able to take advantage of this amazing glass. D. On 25 May 2010, at 12:55 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > I was agreeably surprised to find that the Oly 50-200 is so flare > proof, > see the photo large here > http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219586-1/LPP-Angelo+Debarre-1000559.jpg > > which may make me reconsider my idea of selling it... > > Only the sensor ... but that's another story while waiting for the > E5 ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 09:59:25 2010 Received: (qmail 8880 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 07:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:59:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0FEE180A4 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52335E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C6FE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70732E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32408 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 07:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 07:59:17 -0000 Message-Id: <0BC2D639-1423-4FE9-9AEA-A2CD7336757C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <21FB9C90-2E10-48BF-B6B9-2A96F36C381A@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:59:17 +1000 References: <4BF84C56.9060909@interisland.net> <7127F962-6FAF-4F41-A3F3-F3F2A02AE3A4@people.net.au> <4BF9BD68.5090004@gmail.com> <21FB9C90-2E10-48BF-B6B9-2A96F36C381A@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 09:59:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04bddd211595034211378 You want to try winding a Rolleiflex with your left hand? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/06/2010, at 5:47 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Ahem... I know you are talking about "modern" cameras, but any waist- > level > finder camera (like my beloved Mamiya RB67, or a Hasselblad or > Twin Lens Reflex) as well as any view camera are equally usable by > lefties > or righties. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:27:04 2010 Received: (qmail 28256 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:27:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE297E1808C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F412E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2612AE47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B06E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:26:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2218.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E67C67000085 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2218.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B99C17000081 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:26:56 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100601082656760.B99C17000081@msfrf2218.sfr.fr Message-Id: <2F21B95E-C70D-4919-838E-A8D6DE78F96F@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9CB42BB0-BE1C-4C58-830A-571EE894F712@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:26:56 +0200 References: <8970BB3E-840F-4963-89E4-19CA29011F78@sfr.fr> <9CB42BB0-BE1C-4C58-830A-571EE894F712@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Django ... Chuck X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:27:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c458283631612113968 Thanks David I have kept an R4 so far and leica and ang=E9nieux glass ;-) but I haven't used them since I turned digital :-( Lazy Philippe Le 1 juin 10 =E0 09:50, Dawid Loubser a =E9crit : > > Wow, that is impressive flare control indeed. Yes, it's a pity > the four thirds sensors suck so much (hey, compared to print film, > dynamic range...), if only they could improve to the point of *really* > being able to take advantage of this amazing glass. > > D. > > On 25 May 2010, at 12:55 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > >> I was agreeably surprised to find that the Oly 50-200 is so flare >> proof, >> see the photo large here >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219586-1/LPP-Angelo+Debarre-1000559.jpg >> >> which may make me reconsider my idea of selling it... >> >> Only the sensor ... but that's another story while waiting for the >> E5 ... > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:30:40 2010 Received: (qmail 13515 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:30:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40B0E180C2 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C38E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B33EE47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A378BE47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJMrk-00019h-P5 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:30:29 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:30:25 +0100 Message-ID: <7E998A7CF86343A782798C1881CE26D8@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsBPiKV1n0Dgz20Rqi5ScvQY7resAAJmrBA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-0, 01/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:30:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c53032016789618724 Seems you had some good advice already, Bill, so I won't add confusion. But do tell about the alt process - carbon transfer, could it be?? Piers -----Original Message----- From: NSURIT@aol.com [mailto:NSURIT@aol.com] Sent: 01 June 2010 04:54 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! This weekend was spent building a UV light box for alt process printing exposures. The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot wire. Would that probably not destroy the fan. Yes, both are solid black . . . no stripes, lines or other marks. Bill "Very tired" Barber This was a huge project. Next time I may buy one already built. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:32:28 2010 Received: (qmail 19377 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:32:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3847E180A7 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FC1E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6570034AC029 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:31:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE45A34AC028 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers.hemy@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so478058wyf.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.19 with SMTP id d19mr5467788wbt.144.1275381093054; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your9ya3hf92n3 (230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.26.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm9497182wbd.19.2010.06.01.01.31.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9D1E956F-6638-405F-A71F-5CC44CC4D36B@roadrunner.com> <117E7A4C-6341-434A-BDC2-611A9B973DB3@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: <08A9D004605F48F2A9D47AC9B0129B74@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsAhUsNkkUpVX7rS2qx3EcDgQ2oOgAL4C5AACv+KnA= Subject: Re: [OM] Spots (OT) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:32:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c59c188261879814018 A further thought... Calumet stocks SpotPens in sets (starter set is neutral, I think, with extra sets of colours). They date from the old days, but I can't see why they would not be usable on inkjet papers. Else any graphic arts dealer should have fine point pens in the full range of Pantone colours. You just need to find the right Pantone colour! And it's good to see you back, Bob. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 31 May 2010 06:51 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Spots (OT) Bad luck, Bob ... I'm (yet again) no expert, but could you not get some touch-up pens and mend the "damage" with judicious spotting. That's what used to happen with mono wet-prints, I think. Chris On 31 May 2010, at 01:12, Bob Whitmire wrote: > On the fourth, I've tried Premier Art's spray, thinking it might help > keep those flecks of inked paper in place. But I won't know until I > try to frame it up again tomorrow or the next day. > > Did I mention each one of those sheets cost a gooch less than $4? > > So, Chris, Ken, Chuck et alia, any good dust stories, and remedies . . > . ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:43:28 2010 Received: (qmail 14224 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:43:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C57E180AA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCECE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE2134AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB21134AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:43:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 430C27000097 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:43:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 135017000095 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:43:14 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100601084314791.135017000095@msfrf2216.sfr.fr Message-Id: <93E355D7-67B0-408D-A67D-CC40D8C0677C@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:43:13 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:43:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c830144281234514069 Le 1 juin 10 =E0 09:43, Dawid Loubser a =E9crit : > > That is really gorgeous, Philippe. Many on the list will not like it, > but I am a shallow DOF freak, especially when still-recognisable = > objects > are rendered very much out-of-focus in juxtaposition to the in-focus > subject. > Thanks Dawid - it is my pleasure to share. > You have accomplished that here splendidly. The ZD 35mm Macro may be > one of > the worst-built lenses of all time, with one of the worst focusing > systems > ever (you have to spin the feedback-less electronic focus ring around > about > 20 times to get the thing to 1:1) but boy, it does have it where it > counts > - the optics. Many claim it to be a better performer than the ZD 50mm > f/2.0 > Macro at these distances. > I have never ried the 50 but this one performs very well compared to = the Macro Elmarit I also own and which was the reference of, all times? > And the ZD 50/2.0 seems to hold the position of "best digital SLR lens > ever" > in more than one place, i.e. DPReview, Luminous Landscape, etc. > I really must try it then Thanks again Ph > D. > > > On 31 May 2010, at 11:03 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Microcosmos-Another+t= ype+of+Rambla-1000497-2.jpg.html >> >> ZD 35mm macro - crop (severe) >> C&C welcome >> Bien cordialement de Metz >> Philippe >> >> >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:45:44 2010 Received: (qmail 23834 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:45:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00344E180AC for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF14E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B3AE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB0E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 72111700009A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 53FA27000094 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:45:37 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100601084537344.53FA27000094@msfrf2216.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0445A0.3020506@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:45:37 +0200 References: <4C0445A0.3020506@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Ninja, or news of Andrew's Macro 35 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:45:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c8b820816789618724 Le 1 juin 10 =E0 01:26, Russ Butler a =E9crit : > > philippe.amard wrote: >> I bought Andrew's 35 macro last fall as a replacement for Alice's = >> that >> had been stolen, and never took time to use either myself until two >> weeks ago. >> Here is a take on the L1 that proves my satisfaction. >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219715-1/Ninja-1000440.jpg > > Satisfaction? That's a dynamite shot! Thanks. > Thank you Russ I mean FULL satisfaction; no refund requested ;-) Ph > -- = > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 10:51:03 2010 Received: (qmail 28206 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 08:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 08:51:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC7DE180B5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D142E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675FDB37995 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1410FB37993 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6565F70000A0; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3FE72700009F; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:50:52 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100601085052261.3FE72700009F@msfrf2216.sfr.fr Message-Id: <736023F5-4743-4CB4-8F7E-88A7B257CCA3@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: leicareflex@freelists.org, Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:50:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: A tribute to Jacques Tati X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 10:51:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04c9f725851342116753 A mon ami Lluis, le Parisien de coeur. First the pipe http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Opera+Stylo-1000762-2.jpg.html Then the back http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Moules+au+Roquefort-1000764.jpg.html I mus hunt for THE umbrella now. Both can be viewed large I think Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 11:11:20 2010 Received: (qmail 27198 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 09:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 09:11:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB25E180C1 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90428E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C9CE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C579E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJNV9-0005ba-Ry for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:11:12 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <126124.29382.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BF6D123.1060008@gmail.com><4BF73DEE.7010405@chucknorcutt.com> <1D8BD26B-A511-41EA-AE5A-E77B340D7509@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:11:08 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1D8BD26B-A511-41EA-AE5A-E77B340D7509@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: Acr5bQyApI3YhLzdS3qnYKkBVpnBRgH/Oj4w X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-0, 01/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 11:11:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04ceb859981220213263 Didn't he have a brother, Jonathan? ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 23 May 2010 00:21 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On I think it was Dean Swift (Guliver's Travels and all that) --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 11:26:15 2010 Received: (qmail 15596 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 09:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 09:26:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4649E180DA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FC4E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9917534AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692634AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2735208wwb.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:26:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.172.134 with SMTP id t6mr5147188wel.23.1275384366907; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.145 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E998A7CF86343A782798C1881CE26D8@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> <7E998A7CF86343A782798C1881CE26D8@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:26:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 11:26:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04d237184136107113666 Ahhh... try it first with 12v. If that fails to produce an airflow, try it with 110, but away from your project. In most cases, it would just blow a house fuse if it's too much juice. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Seems you had some good advice already, Bill, so I won't add confusion. > But > do tell about the alt process - carbon transfer, could it be?? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: NSURIT@aol.com [mailto:NSURIT@aol.com] > Sent: 01 June 2010 04:54 > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Subject: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! > > > > This weekend was spent building a UV light box for alt process printing > exposures. > > The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My > assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot wire. > > Would that probably not destroy the fan. Yes, both are solid black . . . > no stripes, lines or other marks. > > Bill "Very tired" Barber > > This was a huge project. Next time I may buy one already built. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 11:34:56 2010 Received: (qmail 21591 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 09:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 09:34:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4F9E1809F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E61E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F55E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:34:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF97E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:34:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olympus@foxcrofts.com whitelisted) Received: from nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.152]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.168.65.89]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100601093449.ENG24784.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:34:49 +0000 Received: from parents ([58.168.65.89]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100601093448.YFGC1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@parents> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:34:48 +0000 From: "Terry and Tracey" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:34:47 +1000 Message-ID: <5B38FD9AB80842ED828527EE1BE45BF1@parents> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsBAiTZji8z9QVyQ0CEwIlRNxSb1wAZcQ0g Importance: Normal X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090206.4C04D438.015C,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rB8yGND3TFarjDc4hDOhQVUtlUy7/yU1ssBPS9ZstxseRFjFvN/WStrHNvZRu8u4xC5NJhqMNGIkaajsTY3Rs9mK Subject: Re: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 11:34:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04d440251731560218263 I would just like to say thanks to everyone for their help. Foxy Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Pearce [mailto:bs.pearce@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2010 6:45 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 I have kept an older computer that is not adequate for thingsl like CS4, to be a scanning computer for my two Minolta scanners. I expect it to last as long as the scanners. It is networked to the other computers, and I understand that macs and PC's are easily networked together. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 > Fortunately, the hardware (USB) is compatible. But the software is a > big question mark. Microsoft has additional software (not part of the > standard Win 7 installation) for running "XP mode" and "Windows Virtual > PC" These > might do the job. If not VueScan should do it and you might choose to > go there anyhow for better scanner control. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Terry and Tracey wrote: >> G'day everyone, >> >> Its been a while between posts. So here is a new one. >> >> After seven years we are replacing our computer. Yes, that's right, seven >> years +. >> >> Anyway, the new computer will be running Windows 7 64 bit. I have a >> Konica >> Minolta slide scanner Elite 5400. >> >> Here are my questions. Does anyone know if the old software (and more >> likely >> drivers) will run in the 64 bit environment? >> >> If not, what are my options for another diver - realising that Konica >> Minolta are now out of this area? >> >> Thanks >> >> Foxy >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2908 - Release Date: 05/31/10 06:25:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 11:41:19 2010 Received: (qmail 8751 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 09:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 09:41:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15803E18091 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F8EE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD86F34AC032 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190C434AC02A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22068 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 09:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/06/2010, at 7:11 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Didn't he have a brother, Jonathan? > > ;-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Sent: 23 May 2010 00:21 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On > > I think it was Dean Swift (Guliver's Travels and all that) > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 11:43:18 2010 Received: (qmail 21908 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 09:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 09:43:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AEEE180AD for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1348DE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23AC34AC02E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBDB34AC02D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from ns1.nl-inter.net (ns1.nl-inter.net [83.172.146.29]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9581 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 11:43:00 +0200 Received: from rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net (HELO olaf-greves-macbook-pro-2.fritz.box) (89.146.25.44) by ns1.nl-inter.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 11:43:00 +0200 Message-Id: From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:42:59 +0200 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] TOPE 42: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 11:43:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04d636272141220213263 Hi all, A great new entry has just been sent to the TOPE gallery; good stuff, so go check it out at the gallery! Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 42: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=42 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 12:35:56 2010 Received: (qmail 17828 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 10:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 10:35:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B7DE180B4 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A3DE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BFA34AC028 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1052134AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 03:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ndvJlTMTg5nMognaPVD+zUGEYEmwQCx6obUm78I9Gww= c=1 sm=0 a=2caWB_DcjroA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=iqZtqUcZc5CY0e3f4M4A:9 a=K73Yf5Jk0fT9ciYEsVc1yRn-VlsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:48348] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 6E/10-01646-282E40C4; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:35:47 +0000 Message-Id: <6AA95DB9-9B32-4BD0-A6C4-AAC1EC00FEC0@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <08A9D004605F48F2A9D47AC9B0129B74@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:35:46 -0400 References: <9D1E956F-6638-405F-A71F-5CC44CC4D36B@roadrunner.com> <117E7A4C-6341-434A-BDC2-611A9B973DB3@threeshoes.net> <08A9D004605F48F2A9D47AC9B0129B74@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Spots (OT) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 12:35:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04e28c10261357919056 OhBoy, a new way to spend some cash. Whoopeeee! Seriously, thanks. I was wondering about spotting pens, or pencils. Used to be necessary equipment in the wet darkroom. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 1, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > A further thought... > > Calumet stocks SpotPens in sets (starter set is neutral, I think, > with extra > sets of colours). They date from the old days, but I can't see why > they > would not be usable on inkjet papers. > > Else any graphic arts dealer should have fine point pens in the full > range > of Pantone colours. You just need to find the right Pantone colour! > > And it's good to see you back, Bob. > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 13:38:47 2010 Received: (qmail 13938 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 11:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 11:38:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A350E180AD for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3502BE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B411834AC02B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FE534AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 04:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o51BcLq4026576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:38:23 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4BF84C56.9060909@interisland.net> <7127F962-6FAF-4F41-A3F3-F3F2A02AE3A4@people.net.au> <4BF9BD68.5090004@gmail.com> <21FB9C90-2E10-48BF-B6B9-2A96F36C381A@solms.co.za> <0BC2D639-1423-4FE9-9AEA-A2CD7336757C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <0BC2D639-1423-4FE9-9AEA-A2CD7336757C@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:38:22 +1000 Message-ID: <007d01cb017e$f1e62510$d5b26f30$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsBYFqtanIFTt1DRNSQvwW1LpEU5QAHnxBA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 13:38:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04f147326629730998309 Works ok if you're into self portraits ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2010 5:59 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Sony NEX-5 Hands On > > You want to try winding a Rolleiflex with your left hand? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/06/2010, at 5:47 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > > Ahem... I know you are talking about "modern" cameras, but any waist- > > level > > finder camera (like my beloved Mamiya RB67, or a Hasselblad or > > Twin Lens Reflex) as well as any view camera are equally usable by > > lefties > > or righties. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 14:16:32 2010 Received: (qmail 10970 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 12:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 12:16:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DD7E18034 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388DCE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B00334AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C7B34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.218.232]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3C001YE4QXW367@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C04FA0B.6030001@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:16:11 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9D334E2866E64F9194557B5878FB223B@jimnichols><0460F739E57241EEB4518D6B06932D82@SueHome><923487007C1D42B4BE20B4EE6F005AF1@jimnichols><4BFFACFA.2060108@chucknorcutt.com><4BFFB0FA.6060205@picturepedia.org><4BFFBC46.1010001@picturepedia.org><100.50c30000f5dcff4b.005@comkal.net><58E224C4E7F74D3EBC1E0946354EA3B9@SueHome> <92ED65EFED184D4681230B0ABD375431@SueHome> In-reply-to: <92ED65EFED184D4681230B0ABD375431@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - Cobwebs in TV X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 14:16:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04fa2095887801554290 Our "old" Sony 36" Trinitron weighed over 200 lbs., it took 2 guys to carry it away. If I had to, I could handle the 50" Panasonic plasma myself. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Sue Pearce wrote: > The house will soon become the basement. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - Cobwebs in TV > > >>> What must it weight? >> Somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 pounds. We placed it in the >> entertainment center which comes in around 400 pounds. Good thing the >> house is on a concrete slab. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2901 - Release Date: 05/28/10 > 06:25:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 14:18:30 2010 Received: (qmail 7992 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654E7E1809A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4756EE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F52434AC02B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CEF34AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.218.232]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3C00A1W4TKM1V1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:17:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C04FA6A.9080407@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:17:46 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 14:18:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04fa96204875034211378 Nice goin' ! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > This is my last day of being employed by Iowa Telecom. In a few hours > we are officially bought out by another company. No idea how long my > job will survive or anything, but we had a during work picnic and > there was a drawing of some Apple stuff. I just won a 16gb iPAD. yee > haa. > > Can't quite figure out how to load the paper in it, though. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 14:22:59 2010 Received: (qmail 259 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 12:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 12:22:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06FBE180D0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267F8E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A773E4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAACE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:22:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o51CMjSX000767 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:22:45 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.c98.6b25e5c8 (34904) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m22.mail.aol.com (magic-m22.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.195]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA021-88584c04fb921b9; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:22:42 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <6d33a.4f1987a.39365592@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:22:42 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.183.12.161 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.195 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 14:22:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04fba3277991946193717 In a message dated 6/1/2010 3:30:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, piers@hemy.org writes: Seems you had some good advice already, Bill, so I won't add confusion. But do tell about the alt process - carbon transfer, could it be?? The light box worked perfectly, with the exception of one of the 12 light bulbs was defective. No explosions, fires, etc. The fan runs whisper quiet and does what it is supposed to do. Piers, for several years I have been doing some alt process work, the majority of which doesn't require a darkroom and matched nicely with the computer world as you are using larger negatives or positives which are generated in your computer and your prints are contact prints. Exposure can either be done with the sun or with a light box. The light box gives a more consistent/repeatable exposure. Some of the methods I've used are cyanotype, Van Dyke browns, platinum, paltinum/paladium, polymer gravure printing, gum bichromate and others. For any who are interested I would recommend a book by Christopher James, _http://www.christopherjames-studio.com/build/thebook.html_ (http://www.christopherjames-studio.com/build/thebook.html) Also, _http://www.alternativephotography.com/newsletter.html_ (http://www.alternativephotography.com/newsletter.html) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 14:33:06 2010 Received: (qmail 4004 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 12:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 12:33:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E31E180DA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5262FE2410D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4845234AC029 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201AE34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.218.232]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3C00MDC5IOA8V1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:32:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C04FDF2.4050502@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:32:50 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <50346EBE-1722-4355-BC85-C07FD6D94EA5@frozenlight.eu> In-reply-to: <50346EBE-1722-4355-BC85-C07FD6D94EA5@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/5/2010: NYC love X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 14:33:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c04fe02189881076813867 That is a great shot. I love the curve of her back. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This morning I flew from Boston to New York and got to work immediately: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#882346922_xySr4-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 15:13:05 2010 Received: (qmail 22481 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BDBE180C8 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9BE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFABAE47219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3C8E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8203 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jun 2010 13:12:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jun 2010 13:12:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4C050752.2060006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:12:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <289cf.26040b82.3935de5f@aol.com> <8E09A4DE2618430EA9E78D200FFAAB52@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-1, 06/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 15:13:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c050761288395034211378 Look like either of these? 12 volts 120 volts Chuck Norcutt Sandy Harris wrote: > On 6/1/10, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I use a similar muffin fan from another source. I just checked, and it >> appears that I just soldered on connections to a 110ac cord. It has worked >> fine for years. > > Yes, BUT some want 12 volts DC & others may want other voltages. > > Take a fan that's designed for 12 DC and give it 110 AC and the > least problem you'll get is a blown fan. Fire, explosion, or electric > shocks at possibly fatal levels are likely. > > Look on the fan chassis for voltage info. If you cannot find it, buy > another fan so you know & can be safe. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 15:42:05 2010 Received: (qmail 14687 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 13:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 13:42:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CF1E1808A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC74E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9357834AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1370534AC028 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so714789wyf.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.200 with SMTP id a8mr5829473wbj.30.1275399717170; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r35sm20335622wbv.23.2010.06.01.06.41.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:55 +0100 Message-Id: <880A1270-8ED8-4476-91FB-6EDF1AD1A4AA@threeshoes.net> References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 15:42:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c050e2d133651560218263 Again, I like the lighting, Jim. I must put up my shots from the garden; my wife wanted to know why I hadn't taken photos of her flowers this year ... Chris On 31 May 2010, at 19:24, Jim Nichols wrote: > Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. This fern frond seemed interesting. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Tones.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 15:47:41 2010 Received: (qmail 8571 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 13:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 13:47:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF77E180CC for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F21DE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981EEE47219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A5AE4720B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from durham.unh.edu (durham.unh.edu [132.177.136.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,340,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="9496805" Received: from mako.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.5]) by durham.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 01 Jun 2010 09:47:35 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.1.203]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:47:34 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:47:07 -0400 Thread-Topic: left/right handed cameras and ergonomics, et al. Thread-Index: AcsBc48ygbgQWl9ASCKdyEW5xyVyYwAHPErQ Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C850@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] left/right handed cameras and ergonomics, et al. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 15:47:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c050f7d29811258626592 > Mamiya RB67, or a Hasselblad or Twin Lens Reflex) as well as any view camera are equally usable by lefties or righties. Well, maybe in theory, but an RB/RZ67 is pretty right-hand oriented. With or without the grip. But that's ok. I just got an RZ67 kit (with 50 and 110mm lenses; ordered a 180mm and grip which are on the way) and enjoy shooting it a lot. It's a beast to shoot handheld though, very non-ergonomic in most cases. Worlds different than shooting an OM body or a Mamiya 7 (which is what I have been shooting lately). But pretty satisfying in general, if you can deal with the weight and hassles of it all. And it's built like a tank! -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 16:08:09 2010 Received: (qmail 17988 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 14:08:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2EFE180CA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D20E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2E1E47222 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC6AE47219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100601140800.GXNU18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:08:00 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id QeGc1e004233qdw02eGcjL; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:16:36 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S7UQJJJVCEWYYNFx8feFTmADguCcs8bC1i5Fu6yESZc= c=1 sm=1 a=AzOitZan-cYA:10 a=UBIxAjGgU1YA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=vbIVykAroQ07L-MUc54A:9 a=kTTbwouUo_KRSkfgcuMA:7 a=BvSgfVPWE3rfAGHeSZ9t5oowgIAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <16410B554F7649C3B856789004151525@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C850@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] left/right handed cameras and ergonomics, et al. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 16:08:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c051449106041076813867 It's a beast to shoot handheld though, very non-ergonomic in most cases. Worlds different than shooting an OM body or a Mamiya 7 (which is what I have been shooting lately). That's what we used at the airplane factory, and thanks to that experience, I'll never ever use one again. We had the experimental shop fab aluminum hand grip/flash brackets for them, and that made it at least possible. But pretty satisfying in general, if you can deal with the weight and hassles of it all. And it's built like a tank! > No, not satisfying in the least. Get a Hasselblad. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 16:56:47 2010 Received: (qmail 12625 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C1FE180C3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38722E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F47EE4721D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE23E4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com (mail-yw0-f186.google.com [209.85.211.186]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so3974777ywh.32 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:56:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.7.14 with SMTP id k14mr6782220ani.201.1275404183017; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.198.9 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 16:56:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c051faf122601136683642 Thanks to Iwert, I will soon be the proud owner of an OMZ 21/2...consequently, I'll have to (reluctantly) sell some lenses to help cover the purchase. Up for sale are my 24/2, 35/2, 85/2 and 135/2.8. Don't really want to sell, but I don't want to sleep on the couch either! As always, please contact off list. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 17:38:22 2010 Received: (qmail 25805 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 15:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 15:38:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3C6E180BF for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24BDE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C4E34AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6647A34AC02A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100601153815.EFDL7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:38:15 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Qfmt1e001233qdw02fmtna; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:46:53 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aULFgNpA2FocahsKo8+v7SODIG/QbULPhZLHKS4UqaY= c=1 sm=1 a=zNANCjgXmV0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=c-9FnUGZIFiu3jYOilEA:9 a=ZgKNrzNN8GdYyz9bhjMA:7 a=eiHatzRXsm3IPTa1qeVKhvrECsIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:38:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 17:38:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05296e215671234514069 Nick, As a 21/2 owner, I can understand your desire to sell the 24 and 35, but I couldn't last without my 85 and 135! Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Herndon" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: [OM] Lenses for sale > Thanks to Iwert, I will soon be the proud owner of an OMZ > 21/2...consequently, I'll have to (reluctantly) sell some lenses to > help cover the purchase. > > Up for sale are my 24/2, 35/2, 85/2 and 135/2.8. Don't really want to > sell, but I don't want to sleep on the couch either! > > As always, please contact off list. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10 06:25:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 17:42:35 2010 Received: (qmail 31671 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 15:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 15:42:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E288E18087 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88256E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8604EE47220 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62528E4721D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so982435fga.8 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.150.204 with SMTP id o12mr483698hbb.171.1275406947353; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:42:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Ninja, or news of Andrew's Macro 35 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 17:42:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c052a6b229604877110844 Nice catch Philippe. Excellent! Charlie On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:19 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > I bought Andrew's 35 macro last fall as a replacement for Alice's that > had been stolen, and never took time to use either myself until two > weeks ago. > Here is a take on the L1 that proves my satisfaction. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219715-1/Ninja-1000440.jpg > Thanks again Andrew. > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 17:50:15 2010 Received: (qmail 12545 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 15:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 15:50:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83787E180D2 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58684E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36F34AC030 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022AC34AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so985542fga.8 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.67 with SMTP id l3mr482953hbg.46.1275407061573; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C04FA0B.6030001@verizon.net> References: <9D334E2866E64F9194557B5878FB223B@jimnichols> <0460F739E57241EEB4518D6B06932D82@SueHome> <923487007C1D42B4BE20B4EE6F005AF1@jimnichols> <4BFFACFA.2060108@chucknorcutt.com> <4BFFB0FA.6060205@picturepedia.org> <4BFFBC46.1010001@picturepedia.org> <100.50c30000f5dcff4b.005@comkal.net> <58E224C4E7F74D3EBC1E0946354EA3B9@SueHome> <92ED65EFED184D4681230B0ABD375431@SueHome> <4C04FA0B.6030001@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:44:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - Cobwebs in TV X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 17:50:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c052c37209071612113968 Indeed John. I have one of those too and I think it held the house down in the last hurricane. Damn thing just won't die. Charlie On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Our "old" Sony 36" Trinitron weighed over 200 lbs., it took 2 guys to > carry it away. If I had to, I could handle the 50" Panasonic plasma > myself. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Sue Pearce wrote: > > The house will soon become the basement. > > > > Bill Pearce > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ken Norton" > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - Cobwebs in TV > > > > > >>> What must it weight? > >> Somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 pounds. We placed it in the > >> entertainment center which comes in around 400 pounds. Good thing the > >> house is on a concrete slab. > >> > >> AG > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2901 - Release Date: 05/28/10 > > 06:25:00 > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 17:53:17 2010 Received: (qmail 1608 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 15:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 15:53:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9EE18098 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A963E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1037034AC02A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8D234AC02D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o51Fq2AZ011235 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:52:06 GMT Message-ID: <0F6BCC08262A45299A605D8E8D270813@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <171ADFF1205141D58C363742637A8BBC@jimnichols> <880A1270-8ED8-4476-91FB-6EDF1AD1A4AA@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 17:53:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c052ced621234514069 Thanks, Chris. Yes, we must keep them happy. ;~) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Green Tones > Again, I like the lighting, Jim. I must put up my shots from the garden; > my wife wanted to know why I hadn't taken photos of her flowers this year > ... > > Chris > > On 31 May 2010, at 19:24, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Finding few new flowers today, I looked for something else. This fern >> frond seemed interesting. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Tones.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 18:31:19 2010 Received: (qmail 25799 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 16:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 16:31:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9009E18099 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4FDE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF64E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF779E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E466C314086 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C0535DE.1040603@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:31:26 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-1, 06/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 18:31:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0535d691932013633067 > > The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My > > assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the hot wire. > Very bad assumption! A 120v fan will have a black and a white wire if made anytime in the last many years. Somewhere on the motor it will have the specs. Unless you've had this in the basement for a long time. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 18:35:12 2010 Received: (qmail 14510 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB03E180D0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFC7E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C24E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA6CE47219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A313314086 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C0536CB.8050302@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:35:23 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-1, 06/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 18:35:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0536c019521413256596 Question for anyone running W764...the expensive version with XP mode. Can you use it to run 32bit apps? I guess the only other option is to dual boot. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 18:55:02 2010 Received: (qmail 25290 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 16:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 16:55:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFB4E1809E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B559BE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E13E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614AAE4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk whitelisted) Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (smtp.north.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-135-7-77.range86-135.btcentralplus.com ([86.135.7.77] helo=[192.168.2.32]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJUjI-0005gN-GJ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:54:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4C053B38.1070100@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:54:16 +0100 From: James King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0536CB.8050302@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4C0536CB.8050302@interisland.net> X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-ID: 1OJUjI-0005gN-GJ X-LONDONMET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1276016056.60994@c4I4dz1m6eEjIMyWk9zIyQ Subject: Re: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 18:55:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c053b66182161006886880 Mostly works Infact many of the programs supplied with windows are actually 32 bit apps, the 64 bit internet explorer still does not have flash and other basic support so the default one is actually the 32bit one running under an widows emulator (WOW - windows on windows) The only things that fail are those applications which rely on 32 bit device drivers that you cant install e.g. Nikon scanning software, etc etc... James On 01/06/2010 17:35, Mike Lazzari wrote: > Question for anyone running W764...the expensive version with XP mode. > Can you use it to run 32bit apps? I guess the only other option is to > dual boot. > > Mike > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 19:05:47 2010 Received: (qmail 2878 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 17:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 17:05:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5676DE180BF for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28745E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224F1E4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69A1E47221 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.19]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2303.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6A5C7000087 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2303.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A939770000A9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:05:35 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100601170535693.A939770000A9@msfrf2303.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0535DE.1040603@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:05:35 +0200 References: <4C0535DE.1040603@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Quick before I blow something up or kill myself! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 19:05:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c053deb165871612113968 Le 1 juin 10 =E0 18:31, Mike Lazzari a =E9crit : > >> >> The box has a Radio Shack cooling fan with only two black wires. My >>> assumption is you hook one up to the neutral and the othet to the = >>> hot wire. >> > Very bad assumption! A 120v fan will have a black and a white wire if > made anytime in the last many years. Somewhere on the motor it will = > have > the specs. Unless you've had this in the basement for a long time. Musicians would tell you to use the two blacks as a white ... Sorry Ph > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 19:52:23 2010 Received: (qmail 4131 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 17:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 17:52:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8297FE180AB for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45065E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FABE4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38F3E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so373751fxm.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.76 with SMTP id b12mr488656hbh.78.1275414726251; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.184.68 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:52:06 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Updat NMC 35 shift, 18mm f3.5 / 21f2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 19:52:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0548d715891560218263 A little update, The 35shift and 21/2 are spoken for, The 18mm is still available, and I decided to sell my 21/3.5 as well. I'll be using the 21/2 for when I need the f2 @ 2.8, for slow work it will be the 35 shift stitched. The 21mm f3.5 is a very nice copy, MC version. Again, enquiries off list. All the best, Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 20:37:21 2010 Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 18:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 18:37:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FDBE180D0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C0BE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F0CE47224 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF6BE47222 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so306070fga.8 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.87.47.17 with SMTP id z17mr11835350fgj.39.1275417421204; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.77.9 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 20:37:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05536132513900897491 On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > That is really gorgeous, Philippe. Many on the list will not like it, > but I am a shallow DOF freak, especially when still-recognisable objects > are rendered very much out-of-focus in juxtaposition to the in-focus > subject. This seems rather binary, Dawid. You seem to be assuming that because some people don't like shallow DOF as much as you, which is true, that they won't like Philippe's image at all. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm no "shallow DOF freak" but I like the photo very much. One reason may be that in macro, DOF is already limited, so a shallow DOF is a given of that type of photography. If you enjoy macro, by definition you enjoy a limited range of DOF. It is in "normal" photography when greater DOF is possible that some people (I being one) do not always prefer very shallow DOF, though sometimes I like it just fine, depending on the subject. > You have accomplished that here splendidly. The ZD 35mm Macro may be > one of > the worst-built lenses of all time, with one of the worst focusing > systems > ever (you have to spin the feedback-less electronic focus ring around > about > 20 times to get the thing to 1:1) but boy, it does have it where it > counts > - the optics. Many claim it to be a better performer than the ZD 50mm > f/2.0 > Macro at these distances. You're referring to focus by wire? In an AF system, this is perfectly reasonable as a way to make moderately priced lenses. I don't care how it does its job as long as it does it. In fact, without the mechanical drag of a traditional focusing mechanism it is actually easier to get precise focus with such a lens while using Live View. There is no good reason to apply traditional manual focusing assumptions to the operation of these lenses. Within the system as a whole, they work very well. Just curious, but you HAVE actually used an Olympus digital SLR at some point, haven't you? Anyway, agreed on the optics! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 1 23:41:15 2010 Received: (qmail 31214 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 21:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 21:41:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE87E1808E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F40E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0DE34AC069 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD9034AC04F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-26-179-177.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.26.179.177]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 781 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:55:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <16410B554F7649C3B856789004151525@SueHome> X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:46:38 +0200 References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C850@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <16410B554F7649C3B856789004151525@SueHome> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] left/right handed cameras and ergonomics, et al. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 1 23:41:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c057e7b248401006886880 Bill, I never could understand your animosity towards the RB67, it's such a lovely, cantankerous old camera, versatile to the extreme, satisfying "ker-shlunk" sound when you fire the shutter, extreme close focusing with all normal and wide lenses, some of the first lens ranges in the industry to include floating systems throughout, and best of all - so cheap for what you get. I have no problems lugging mine around, but I can see why most people wouldn't, it's not made for that. My point is, I find it immensely satisfying in a quirky kind of way, it's like it's everything the svelte OM system is not, a complete opposite. 6x6cm has its charms, but not so much for me, I love how a 6x7cm negative fits almost perfectly on enlarging paper without cropping, resulting in prints which will, for the same aspect ratio, almost always have better resolution than a cropped hasselblad negative, even though the 'blad lenses are generally a little bit better. I say "generally", because certain lenses like the Mamiya 140mm Macro (my favourite) perform beyond mere words, it will take on the best lens of any system, medium format or 35mm. It's a very personal thing, but I think the RB67 oozes with impractical character and satisfaction :-) A Hasselblad doesn't "do it" for me in the same way at all. have fun, Dawid On 01 Jun 2010, at 4:07 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > It's a beast to shoot handheld though, very non-ergonomic in most > cases. > Worlds different than shooting an OM body or a Mamiya 7 (which is > what I > have been shooting lately). > That's what we used at the airplane factory, and thanks to that > experience, > I'll never ever use one again. We had the experimental shop fab > aluminum > hand grip/flash brackets for them, and that made it at least possible. > > But pretty satisfying in general, if you can deal with the weight and > hassles of it all. And it's built like a tank! >> > No, not satisfying in the least. Get a Hasselblad. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 00:12:52 2010 Received: (qmail 19616 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AF9E180C4 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA41E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A188EE4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEEEE47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100601221244.UTTV14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:12:44 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id QmMa1e00A233qdw02mMahx; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:21:35 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S7UQJJJVCEWYYNFx8feFTmADguCcs8bC1i5Fu6yESZc= c=1 sm=1 a=AzOitZan-cYA:10 a=UBIxAjGgU1YA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=B9QJckd1WwYQ1xYmwQgA:9 a=QqnnIrnC1-FehF-HjpYA:7 a=zngA7QVux1DuegGAWpoOB5ou2HUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <790D469BEFD246D094F001502E37AB2A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C850@SKATE.ad.unh.edu><16410B554F7649C3B856789004151525@SueHome> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:12:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] left/right handed cameras and ergonomics, et al. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 00:12:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0585e482281136683642 I think the RB67 oozes with impractical > character and satisfaction :-) Yes, the RB oozes with excess weight, excessive mirror slap, and generally poor ergonomics. A Hasselblad doesn't "do it" for me in > the > same way at all. > No, it just is easy to operate, reliable, and has superior optics, and can be easily hand held. I suppose you believe that suffering builds character? Bill pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 00:55:08 2010 Received: (qmail 9592 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205B6E18098 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4470E2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6A834AC063 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99A34AC061 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o51Msj27006817 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:54:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.bdf.723e1d19 (37219) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-d41d4c058fa828f; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:54:38 -0400 Received: from webmail-m048 (webmail-m048.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.231]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD023-d41d4c058fa828f; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:54:33 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:54:32 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31793-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:54:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCCFF488EAC056-1C20-5C73@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] DiImage Scan Elite 5400 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 00:55:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c058fcc179541357919056 On 01/06/2010 17:35, Mike Lazzari wrote: > Question for anyone running W764...the expensive version with XP mode. > Can you use it to run 32bit apps? I guess the only other option is to > dual boot. > > Mike > Virtual PC from MS is free as long as you have a full copy of XP you can run a virtual machine ---assuming your system has enough resources so it won't crawl. Advantage is you can use 32 bit drivers but all the other programs/data/apps will be invisible to the virtual PC unless installed on it too. XP compat. mode in win 7 uses all the preloaded drivers but can access any file as best I can tell. I am just running into this bridge now on my new laptop. It will be a long slow slog to get this all set up. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 01:07:58 2010 Received: (qmail 1654 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2010 23:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 23:07:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF9E1809C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C4FE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87919E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD41E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o51N7jpT007123 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:07:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.bec.5928c78f (37116) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.104]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA012-b2d44c0592bb2dd; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:07:40 -0400 Received: from webmail-m048 (webmail-m048.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.231]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME033-b2d44c0592bb2dd; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:07:39 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:07:39 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31793-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:07:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 01:07:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0592ce41444877110844 Upcoming trip means I should make a decision. I seem to have much more time while away fussing with a scene than than for PP at home. One time some quickly moving clouds balled up one bracketing of an otherwise very nice image--I could have largely prevented that . So, if this way to deal with high contrast sky situations is reasonable which system is preferable. Cokin P? Which company for the filters--desire excellent QA if possible if putting another interface in front of a nice lens. Hard edge--2 or 3 stop? I think soft edge 2 stop may be tricky to set up well. Any comments appreciated. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:16:10 2010 Received: (qmail 23530 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:16:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6CBE180C2 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EAAE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642DA34AC028 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297D134AC029 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3D0052W29CDS81@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:20:00 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqoEAJ4/BUwY4Jje/2dsb2JhbACIcpYMwSwOhQUEhnk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,343,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="756697034" Received: from blk-224-152-222.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.152.222]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:15:58 -0300 Message-id: <58862397E1024C76A0E392E49D6C573F@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C044AED.29994.26897A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:15:58 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7227 Subject: Re: [OM] ( Om ) Wahoo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:16:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05a2ca98825368819438 It was and still is. It's the popular name given to the eleven sided 1" diameter $1 coin. The face side has changed since the first circulation which showed a Canadian loon ...... a bird. Subsequent issues have shown the House of Commons in Ottawa and Terry Fox, the one legged runner and cancer amputee who died in 1981 having pulled out of his cross Canada run. The rear side shows the Queen's head. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Beckrich" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [OM] ( Om ) Wahoo > Dumb me... I thought a "looney" was a Canadian dollar. > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > >> Re: >> > "cost a gooch less than $4?" >> > >> > and >> > >> > "I gave the nice person at the till a $20 bill, >> > a nickel and a quarter and said that I was due a looney [local speak >> > for >> a >> > $1 coin] and two pennies" >> >> If anybody threw those slang expressions at me, >> I'd do a back-flip as well :-)) >> >> Brian Swale >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5160 (20100531) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5164 (20100601) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:18:26 2010 Received: (qmail 16452 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:18:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5434EE180A8 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E6EE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C56CE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD4E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=q7FD15Xr545AYYxLuRxh8NAlF1RX961CvM641wXl56g= c=1 sm=0 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=QqqiiwQEZoC3w4vyhPsA:9 a=uxcAdBl-7wGv4JhipTzDVudEuxYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:48606] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 84/9A-04511-623A50C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:17:43 +0000 Message-Id: <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:17:42 -0400 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:18:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05a352151859752976205 If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave the filters at home. Not necessary. --Bob Whitmire Whose Density Has Never Been Neutral www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:07 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Upcoming trip means I should make a decision. I seem to have much > more time while away fussing with a scene than than for PP at home. > One time some quickly moving clouds balled up one bracketing of an > otherwise very nice image--I could have largely prevented that . So, > if this way to deal with high contrast sky situations is reasonable > which system is preferable. Cokin P? Which company for the > filters--desire excellent QA if possible if putting another interface > in front of a nice lens. Hard edge--2 or 3 stop? I think soft edge 2 > stop may be tricky to set up well. > > Any comments appreciated. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:20:58 2010 Received: (qmail 13292 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640A0E180B4 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8739E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71E9E4720B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E74E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3D0041M2BS8EC2@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:21:28 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqoEANVABUwY4Jje/2dsb2JhbACIcpYMwUAOgkyCOQSGeQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,343,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="756699137" Received: from blk-224-152-222.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.152.222]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:20:50 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3f1af.7257a450.3931dbd6@aol.com> <33113628-887D-4938-BEA3-D4A2FFEC53AD@threeshoes.net> <2941016D-5FAA-4B68-B3BB-66713D650063@people.net.au> <4C03C482.3050902@laidbak.com> <9DA897A2-95EC-4D4E-9C18-0DE96BCDCC52@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:20:51 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7227 Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:20:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05a3ea210635034211378 ... you're not referring to your day time school pupils are you :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! > There are those of u who have made a career out of being locked in a > room with 25 of them at a time... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/06/2010, at 12:15 AM, Paul Braun wrote: > >> I come across this all the time. Give 'em an extra 3 cents so you get >> back something like a quarter, and they stare at you like you've >> suddenly sprouted an extra head and an eye in the middle of you face. >> It's worse if they've already punched "amount tendered" and you find >> those extra pennies in your pocket.... I've also had them get a >> manager >> to come over and explain to them why this idiot just gave them three >> pennies. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5160 (20100531) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5164 (20100601) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:40:02 2010 Received: (qmail 30585 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:40:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E53E180A3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D373BE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF813E47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C72E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28031 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 00:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:39:51 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:39:50 +1000 References: <3f1af.7257a450.3931dbd6@aol.com> <33113628-887D-4938-BEA3-D4A2FFEC53AD@threeshoes.net> <2941016D-5FAA-4B68-B3BB-66713D650063@people.net.au> <4C03C482.3050902@laidbak.com> <9DA897A2-95EC-4D4E-9C18-0DE96BCDCC52@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:40:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05a862256591073733319 Yup! Many of them have part-time jobs in Supermarkets, Macdonalds or similar. Just for fun I've run a few mental arithmetic concepts past them, in substitute classes with no work left - they mostly don't get it or don't see the point (But...I've got a calculator!) (When the bell rings, take the fries out....) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/06/2010, at 10:20 AM, John Hudson wrote: > ... you're not referring to your day time school pupils are you :-) > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! > > >> There are those of u who have made a career out of being locked in a >> room with 25 of them at a time... >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 01/06/2010, at 12:15 AM, Paul Braun wrote: >> >>> I come across this all the time. Give 'em an extra 3 cents so you >>> get >>> back something like a quarter, and they stare at you like you've >>> suddenly sprouted an extra head and an eye in the middle of you >>> face. >>> It's worse if they've already punched "amount tendered" and you find >>> those extra pennies in your pocket.... I've also had them get a >>> manager >>> to come over and explain to them why this idiot just gave them three >>> pennies. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5160 (20100531) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5164 (20100601) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:45:51 2010 Received: (qmail 4555 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:45:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E0E180AA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B080E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68A9E4721D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713EE4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100602004536.XQGD26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:45:36 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id QouW1e008233qdw02ouW0Q; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:54:30 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=aULFgNpA2FocahsKo8+v7SODIG/QbULPhZLHKS4UqaY= c=1 sm=1 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=shZECMTmMzzVZZVYN-YA:9 a=0BiGTyKWnJhG01YaLsVLOajHIj0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:45:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:45:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05a9bf102841076813867 > If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely > customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave > the filters at home. Not necessary. > I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky is blown out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info that was never there. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:52:03 2010 Received: (qmail 23237 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:51:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6511EE180B7 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47D1E2410D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93CAE47207 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B069E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19766 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 00:51:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2010 00:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4C05AB27.8040008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:51:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-2, 06/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:52:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05ab33111651234514069 I'm with Bob. Forget the expensive, silly and fussy filter thing. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely > customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave > the filters at home. Not necessary. > > --Bob Whitmire > Whose Density Has Never Been Neutral > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:07 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> Upcoming trip means I should make a decision. I seem to have much >> more time while away fussing with a scene than than for PP at home. >> One time some quickly moving clouds balled up one bracketing of an >> otherwise very nice image--I could have largely prevented that . So, >> if this way to deal with high contrast sky situations is reasonable >> which system is preferable. Cokin P? Which company for the >> filters--desire excellent QA if possible if putting another interface >> in front of a nice lens. Hard edge--2 or 3 stop? I think soft edge 2 >> stop may be tricky to set up well. >> >> Any comments appreciated. >> Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 02:55:32 2010 Received: (qmail 32339 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 00:55:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AFCE180B9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353AEE240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32355E4721C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53C8E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21597 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 00:55:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2010 00:55:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4C05ABFE.20001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:55:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100601-2, 06/01/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 02:55:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05ac042099752976205 If it's a digital raw file it may well have the range to cover all but the most extreme cases. But if it is the extreme then you have to go for multiple exposures but two is probably enough. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: >> If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely >> customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave >> the filters at home. Not necessary. >> > I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky is blown > out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info that was never there. > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 05:41:24 2010 Received: (qmail 7002 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 03:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 03:41:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21914E180C2 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34365E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4E534AC02D for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:41:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10CD34AC02B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100602034116.COVS14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:41:16 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id QrqF1e00E233qdw02rqFVn; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:50:16 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S7UQJJJVCEWYYNFx8feFTmADguCcs8bC1i5Fu6yESZc= c=1 sm=1 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mkteZXTsVdnorsMFBUYA:9 a=drMLiOjzs5ibEG-3P4IA:7 a=RM9bKeSo5D3evRPo_rE4BaT3ALIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 05:41:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05d2e44471234514069 I've got Cokin soft edge 1 and 2 stop. They are not the finest optical stuff, but work OK. You can't get any good from the hard edge, as it's too difficult to get it in JUST the right place with everything. There's some room for error in the soft ones. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:07 PM Subject: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? > Upcoming trip means I should make a decision. I seem to have much > more time while away fussing with a scene than than for PP at home. > One time some quickly moving clouds balled up one bracketing of an > otherwise very nice image--I could have largely prevented that . So, > if this way to deal with high contrast sky situations is reasonable > which system is preferable. Cokin P? Which company for the > filters--desire excellent QA if possible if putting another interface > in front of a nice lens. Hard edge--2 or 3 stop? I think soft edge 2 > stop may be tricky to set up well. > > Any comments appreciated. > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10 06:25:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 05:44:22 2010 Received: (qmail 1005 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 03:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 03:44:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF567E1808A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AC0E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516A0E47209 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B19E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so3552694wwb.20 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:44:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.80 with SMTP id t58mr6064209wee.103.1275450252673; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:44:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 05:44:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05d39640549730998309 On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM, wrote: > Upcoming =A0trip means I should make a decision. =A0I seem to have much > more time while away fussing with a scene than =A0than for PP at home. > One time some quickly moving clouds balled up one bracketing of an > otherwise very nice image--I could have largely prevented that . =A0So, > if this way to deal with high contrast sky situations is reasonable > which =A0system is preferable. =A0Cokin P? =A0Which company =A0for the > filters--desire excellent QA if possible if putting another interface > in front of a nice lens. =A0Hard edge--2 or 3 stop? =A0I think soft edge 2 > stop may be tricky to set up well. Film or digital? I guess it doesn't matter. I prefer Cokin P, though I have a set of As that work OK on my 49 and 55 mm lenses. I believe 62 mm (35-80/2.8) was stretching it. I only have experience with ND grads. (It really should be darkest at the transition and get lighter to the outer edge, but the opposite is what I have worked with and they do the job. I think those that get darker at the edge allow more forgiveness at the transition point in the image captured. Works for me.) I have both 1 and 2 stop ND grads. I have rarely used them together. 2 stops is normally the max for me (this is on transparencies). One stop is often just right. I have never actually used ND grads with print film, but I wouldn't use more than 1 stop. With my digital set, I have gone to Cokin P because of the size of the DZ lenses. Anything more than 1 stop looks unnatural to me for some reason with my digital cameras. I generally hold the filter in position with my left hand and use LV to figure out the transition. Manual mode all the way. I have made a mental note in the past to look for half stop ND grads especially for digital shooting. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 07:06:08 2010 Received: (qmail 29864 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 05:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 05:06:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE31E180CB for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E988E240E5 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A5E47219 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05858E47203 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sententia.ucr.edu (sententia.ucr.edu [138.23.226.213]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (pool-96-251-143-239.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [96.251.143.239]) by sententia.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id BLE15685 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <006d01cb0090$84af4240$8e0dc6c0$@nl> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:06:00 -0700 Message-Id: <72C2936D-AD20-41D0-B443-BB91C7D06628@ucr.edu> References: <006d01cb0090$84af4240$8e0dc6c0$@nl> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] any LA area listees w/ 50-200? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 07:06:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05e6c0268555034211378 Hi William; Thanks for the heads up, was trying to keep it local for pickup/drop off. /s On May 31, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > You could try ProPhotoRental at > > http://prophotorental.com/categories.asp?cid=3 > > Haven't done business with them but they were very friendly in e-mail > contact we had. > > Wiliam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: siddiq@ucr.edu [mailto:siddiq@ucr.edu] > Sent: zondag 30 mei 2010 20:01 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] any LA area listees w/ 50-200? > > I know there are a handful of us in the Southern California area-would any > of you have the ZD 50-200 lens you'd be willing to rent to me? Or know of a > place that does? Tried Samys Camera, and they don't have it. Or any lens in > that focal length (and speed) range (no 40-150. > > It's graduation season. > > Please contact me offlist: siddiq at ucr dot edu. > > Thanks. > > /s > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2901 - datum van uitgifte: 05/30/10 > 11:21:00 > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 08:44:17 2010 Received: (qmail 397 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 06:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 06:44:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D74E180B8 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A9EE2410B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C73CE4B229 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2310DE4B228 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl01.gs02.gridserver.com (cl01.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.10]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:53599 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl01.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OJhgP-00005H-GM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:44:10 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:44:36 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FUNNY Snowman Pic Thread-Index: AcsCHxDXT0vAmW4SEd+8AAAKlchBUg== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 08:44:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c05fdc0321355034211378 I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn owman1.php -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 08:59:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c060144223233900897491 Bill, you obviously feel very passionate about this, so I will reply with one or two points and leave it at that. Regarding reliability, I have personally heard many more accounts of (V-system) cameras jamming up than RBs, and I have likewise heard a couple of amazing stories regarding RB toughness, including a personal account from the 1980s of a RB taken to alaska, which had more than once been completely submerged in water and subsequently frozen solid, thawed, and operated fine afterwards without problems. A Hasselblad is a much more svelte, and potentially fragile, camera than the "unrefined" and chunky RB. Have you ever seen both disassembled? The RB is much simpler and stronger internally. Less "refined". My RB is an extremely old copy (serial number under #100) produced in 1970, it's never had a CLA, and it works perfectly. The mirror slap in an RB is, in my opinion, a complete myth. I can hand-hold my RB to slower shutter speeds than any other camera I have personally owned, for example this night shot was taken at 1/8s and it's a quite high resolution image: http://www.deviantart.com/download/128842422/Recursion_of_misplaced_values_by_philosomatographer.jpg I could never have made this shot with my "smooth" OM-1 at the same shutter speed / focal length equiv. Suffer? Au contraire, the RB brings me only joy and incredibly high quality darkroom prints. And it was so cheap... For an investment of less than $1000 I have a body, two back, six wonderful lenses including a fish-eye. These lenses do not play games, they walk all over most OM lenses in terms of final image quality. Any improvement would be a moot point unless you are making prints a couple of meters wide, and I stop at 16x20in at this stage. But, enjoy your Hasselblad, I will certainly continue to enjoy my RB. The thing that annoys me most, is that whenever I am walking around with my RB, people come up to me and ask "wow, is that a Hasselblad?" :-) On 02 Jun 2010, at 12:12 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > I think the RB67 oozes with impractical >> character and satisfaction :-) > Yes, the RB oozes with excess weight, excessive mirror slap, and > generally > poor ergonomics. > > A Hasselblad doesn't "do it" for me in >> the >> same way at all. >> > No, it just is easy to operate, reliable, and has superior optics, > and can > be easily hand held. > > I suppose you believe that suffering builds character? > > Bill pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 09:12:05 2010 Received: (qmail 1484 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 07:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 07:12:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ED5E180B6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EAEE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797AC34AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9759834AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:01:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-31-132-190.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.31.132.190]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 763 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:15:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <708F2E6A-7A93-438D-B2E0-9BFE431629C4@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:01:20 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 09:12:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c060445248921234514069 Haha, that's quite funny - somebody had a sense of humour! BTW, since your link wraps (and is non-clickable) and some people will complain, here is a shortened version: http://tinyurl.com/snowman-toilet D. On 02 Jun 2010, at 8:44 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 09:48:42 2010 Received: (qmail 15001 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 07:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 07:48:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989A1E180CD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185EAE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1103DE4B228 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37E1E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:13131 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJign-0000cy-5a for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4C060CCF.8040403@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:48:31 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 09:48:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c060cda183305368819438 also check out http://www.singh-ray.com/ the quality is good I have a vario duo ND with polariser, but they do others as well, expensive sure but like my good lenses I intend to keep it forever, I know you can do most stuff post but you can't quite do everything an ND filter or polariser can do. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 11:42:48 2010 Received: (qmail 30047 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 09:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 09:42:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73784E180AD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67F8E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E16E4B229 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328A1E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so945719fxm.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:42:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.211 with SMTP id m19mr541118hbh.56.1275471760830; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.184.68 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:42:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:42:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 11:42:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c062798246201076813867 Nice one:) (and with a nice combo...) Iwert 2010/6/2 Chris Crawford : > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 12:18:59 2010 Received: (qmail 5988 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B3EE1809B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B129E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7862034AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B534AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so1528026wyf.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.87.145 with SMTP id y17mr6391854wee.9.1275473931884; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (host86-144-201-159.range86-144.btcentralplus.com [86.144.201.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e82sm3189945wej.16.2010.06.02.03.18.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:18:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <4E88887D-4A0B-4323-B100-D74974D284B6@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 12:18:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06301357342517112723 Great, Chris! Thanks. Chris On 2 Jun 2010, at 07:44, Chris Crawford wrote: > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 13:11:00 2010 Received: (qmail 7247 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 11:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 11:10:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9490E180B6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9829FE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831E4E4720B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA026E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=_BDZfM6FBAR6C7UfgxYA:9 a=zosKiBm994B9IyK59MUA:7 a=iqm5R2ozwDFdpamQZqkD828fJ9MA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:35762] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 3B/C4-03062-B3C360C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:10:52 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:10:51 -0400 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 13:11:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c063c4493835034211378 You just don't blow out the sky. You know the drill: expose for the highlights, post process for the shadows. Of course I don't recall now if we were talking film or digital, but if shooting digital, push that histogram all the way to the right-- after experimentation to see when stuff really does start getting blown out. It's my understanding that the histogram you see on the back of the camera is generated from the in-camera .jpg, and does not necessarily closely relate to the actual RAW file. Without experimentation, it's not terribly reliable. I've messed with the D3 enough now to pretty well tell when I've pushed to the limit. There is an incredible amount of information in those highlights that is recoverable with the proper post-processing approach. And watch that "fake filter" talk, Bub. ACR's graduated filter is no more fake than a piece of glass hung out in front of your lens. It's just different. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely >> customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave >> the filters at home. Not necessary. >> > I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky is > blown > out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info that was never > there. > > Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 14:42:05 2010 Received: (qmail 32132 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 12:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 12:42:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6730CE18087 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BCEE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4E4E4720B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE9EE47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 94D5B7000081; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:41:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6E2F67000094; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:41:57 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100602124157451.6E2F67000094@msfrf2219.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:41:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 14:42:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06519d51001076813867 La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+after+Nig= hthawks-1000738.jpg.html C&C welcome Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 14:43:50 2010 Received: (qmail 18522 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 12:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 12:43:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F8EE180B5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634AEE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CA634AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E89134AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com (mail-yw0-f186.google.com [209.85.211.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so4819200ywh.32 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.135.19 with SMTP id m19mr8472844ann.85.1275482618130; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:43:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fMNsJzBSP9QuOeYeAMhaDpktLgw Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 14:43:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065206177001136683642 Tm8gcmVsYXRpb24gdG8gTGUgUGV0b21hbmU/CkplegoKT24gMiBKdW5lIDIwMTAgMTQ6NDEsIHBo aWxpcHBlLmFtYXJkIDxwaGlsaXBwZS5hbWFyZEBzZnIuZnI+IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBMYSBQw6l0YXVk acOocmUgaS5lLiBiZWRsYW0sIG9yIGJlYXIgZ2FyZGVuPwo+IEluc3BpcmVkIGJ5IE5pZ2h0aGF3 a3Mgd2l0aCBpdHMgZmlyc3QgZXZlciBuZW9uIGxpZ2h0cy4KPgo+Cj4gaHR0cDovL2dhbGxlcnku bGVpY2EtdXNlcnMub3JnL3YvUGhpbGVpY2EvRmxvd2Vycy9MYStQZXRhdWRpZXJlKy0rYWZ0ZXIr TmlnaHRoYXdrcy0xMDAwNzM4LmpwZy5odG1sCj4KPgo+IEMmQyB3ZWxjb21lCj4gQmllbiBjb3Jk aWFsZW1lbnQgZGUgTWV0ego+IFBoaWxpcHBlCj4KPgo+IC0tCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBPcHRpb25z OiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMudGhvbWFzY2xhdXNlbi5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9vbHltcHVz Cj4gQXJjaGl2ZXM6IGh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy50aG9tYXNjbGF1c2VuLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL3ByaXZh dGUvb2x5bXB1cy8KPiBUaGVtZWQgT2x5bXB1cyBQaG90byBFeGhpYml0aW9uOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3 LnRvcGUubmwvCj4KPgotLSAKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KT3B0aW9uczogaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLnRob21hc2Ns YXVzZW4ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vb2x5bXB1cwpBcmNoaXZlczogaHR0cDovL2xpc3Rz LnRob21hc2NsYXVzZW4ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vcHJpdmF0ZS9vbHltcHVzLwpUaGVtZWQgT2x5bXB1 cyBQaG90byBFeGhpYml0aW9uOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRvcGUubmwvCgo= From nilsf Wed Jun 2 14:48:50 2010 Received: (qmail 1596 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 12:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 12:48:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF67DE18099 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E709E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B106E47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132FE4720B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6221 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 12:48:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-0, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 14:48:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065332194151946193717 That's pretty funny. But I like your farm pano at the top a lot more. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 14:53:41 2010 Received: (qmail 13155 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 12:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 12:53:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4DAE180B6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EC0E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D79E4721C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DF3E47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 018E47000096 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CA2CC7000081 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:53:33 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100602125333828.CA2CC7000081@msfrf2219.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:53:33 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 14:53:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065455258991612113968 Le 2 juin 10 =E0 14:43, Jez Cunningham a =E9crit : > No relation to Le Petomane? Sure enough, the concerts are held after ... ph > Jez > > On 2 June 2010 14:41, philippe.amard wrote: > >> La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? >> Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. >> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+after+= Nighthawks-1000738.jpg.html >> >> >> C&C welcome >> Bien cordialement de Metz >> Philippe >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 15:00:53 2010 Received: (qmail 9767 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 13:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:00:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36481E18094 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C97E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B20334AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBD934AC02D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30223 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 13:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:00:44 -0000 Message-Id: <1F922ADF-AE46-4C21-A7AE-1DFC084EFEFB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:00:43 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 15:00:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065605237776789618724 Hoisted with your own petard there... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/06/2010, at 10:53 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > > Le 2 juin 10 =E0 14:43, Jez Cunningham a =E9crit : > >> No relation to Le Petomane? > > Sure enough, the concerts are held after ... > ph > >> Jez >> >> On 2 June 2010 14:41, philippe.amard wrote: >> >>> La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? >>> Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. >>> >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+after= +Nighthawks-1000738.jpg.html >>> >>> >>> C&C welcome >>> Bien cordialement de Metz >>> Philippe >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 15:07:20 2010 Received: (qmail 16568 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 13:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:07:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E4BE180A8 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55297E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ED734AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29D234AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:07:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from epping.unh.edu (epping.unh.edu [132.177.136.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:07:14 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,347,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="9269304" Received: from mako.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.5]) by epping.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 02 Jun 2010 09:07:13 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.1.203]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:07:14 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:06:30 -0400 Thread-Topic: Mamiya vs. Hassy Thread-Index: AcsCPMDH3m/aLkaxR/GzrwtKBiP3eQAFzepA Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C86B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 15:07:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065788258471946193717 I am with Dawid, I like the RZ (RB in his case) better than the Hassy's for the reasons he mentioned. The screaming deals available on the RZ (and even moreso RB) gear don't hurt either. Plus if you really feel the need to go digital, basically every medium-format digital back ever made can be adapted to an RZ. And I'd hardly call any Hassy better ergonomically - they are just as chunky and non-ergonomic. They do have some sweet lenses, no question. Those are the real strength of that system. Generally I prefer the Mamiya 7 (the optics of which beat up on basically all the Hassy lenses), but sometimes that's not really feasible - mainly for close-ups, portraits and the like. That's when I reach for the RZ. Sadly my OM gear has been pretty neglected lately in favor of the MF cameras. -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 15:10:26 2010 Received: (qmail 28723 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 13:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:10:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2113E180BA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94511E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECD034AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB19E34AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so2391841gya.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:09:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.149.15 with SMTP id b15mr8666579ano.219.1275484167661; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C065328.1070306@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C065328.1070306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:09:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o8U0HvltqHlHLMbC6mN5QrzW3Tk Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 15:10:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065842176461220213263 The best bit is the caption "Fine Art" ! Jez > Chris Crawford wrote: > > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > > owman1.php > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 15:25:11 2010 Received: (qmail 26605 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 13:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:25:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A948E180C2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126DCE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A81034AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5D34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from ns1.nl-inter.net (ns1.nl-inter.net [83.172.146.29]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13378 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 15:24:59 +0200 Received: from rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net (HELO ?192.168.178.35?) (89.146.25.44) by ns1.nl-inter.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 15:24:59 +0200 Message-Id: From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:59 +0200 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] TOPE 42: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 15:25:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c065bb7212481413256596 Hi, Another fine new entry has just been sent to the TOPE 42 gallery; nice one, so go check it out at the gallery! Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 42: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=42 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 15:57:21 2010 Received: (qmail 17534 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 13:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 13:57:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E794AE18103 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FB4E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDD634AC02D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CF134AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100602135715.IZLW27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:57:15 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id R26Z1e009233qdw0226Zqz; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:06:33 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S7UQJJJVCEWYYNFx8feFTmADguCcs8bC1i5Fu6yESZc= c=1 sm=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ESldeCVQU82YRULEMIIA:9 a=cPGb8CN9ygvPV64vfwkA:7 a=cAZsM2hWO2THuPTuLYECHyc0DKEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <6F23633AC48D48D4B2FE7FEF9A4A9089@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C86B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:57:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 15:57:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0663413431946193717 Don't know about the RZ, but I used an RB on a daily basis for about nine years, so I'm thoroughly experienced with it. There was plenty of mirror slap, and the lenses were so lacking in contrast, that the smallest spot of light anywhere in view, even on another planet or in a parallel universe, gave the flattest, greyest results. I understand that later lenses were improved with that new stuff they called coatings, but don't know. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy >I am with Dawid, I like the RZ (RB in his case) better than the Hassy's for >the reasons he mentioned. The screaming deals available on the RZ (and even >moreso RB) gear don't hurt either. Plus if you really feel the need to go >digital, basically every medium-format digital back ever made can be >adapted to an RZ. And I'd hardly call any Hassy better ergonomically - they >are just as chunky and non-ergonomic. They do have some sweet lenses, no >question. Those are the real strength of that system. > > Generally I prefer the Mamiya 7 (the optics of which beat up on basically > all the Hassy lenses), but sometimes that's not really feasible - mainly > for close-ups, portraits and the like. That's when I reach for the RZ. > > Sadly my OM gear has been pretty neglected lately in favor of the MF > cameras. > > -Ed > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 16:06:29 2010 Received: (qmail 19588 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839CE180B2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F79E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC735E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3223FE47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1146582iwn.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:06:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.195.143 with SMTP id ec15mr9917319ibb.90.1275487582633; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:06:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:06:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: D2XQfZaW5w096VlGK0cVJTykHeA Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 16:06:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c066565174401413256596 Trying to respond to this again... Don't you love mail client programs that can't figure out the account an email is tied to? I'm personally a fan of on lens filters. First of all, I shoot mixed formats and secondly the less bit-bending you have to do in post the better. Sure, you can apply gradients in post, recover highlights and even pull shadows up 14 stops, but in doing so you lose color fidelity, tonal gradients and end up pulling shadow noise up where it shouldn't be. With most digital files if you try to recover the shadow too much you see a nasty shadow transition as well as color shifts. Highlight recovery may also cause unusual color shifts at the extremes in exposure. But my approach isn't an either or, but not being afraid of using both techniques. Is there anything wrong with trying to get it right in-camera? Of course not--provided that it isn't a hardship to do so. Ag On Wednesday, June 2, 2010, Bob Whitmire wrote: > You just don't blow out the sky. You know the drill: expose for the > highlights, post process for the shadows. > > Of course I don't recall now if we were talking film or digital, but > if shooting digital, push that histogram all the way to the right-- > after experimentation to see when stuff really does start getting > blown out. It's my understanding that the histogram you see on the > back of the camera is generated from the in-camera .jpg, and does not > necessarily closely relate to the actual RAW file. Without > experimentation, it's not terribly reliable. I've messed with the D3 > enough now to pretty well tell when I've pushed to the limit. There is > an incredible amount of information in those highlights that is > recoverable with the proper post-processing approach. > > And watch that "fake filter" talk, Bub. ACR's graduated filter is > no more fake than a piece of glass hung out in front of your lens. > It's just different. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> >>> If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely >>> customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can leave >>> the filters at home. Not necessary. >>> >> I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky is >> blown >> out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info that was never >> there. >> >> Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 16:18:05 2010 Received: (qmail 7928 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 14:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 14:18:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4C6E1809A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF74E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D44EE4721C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A2FE47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so2459280gya.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.11.32 with SMTP id o32mr8648194ani.98.1275488277804; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.198.9 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 16:18:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06681d168501950411718 Yeah, I know...but the 100/2 I picked up recently has basically replaced both lenses. Even though it is significantly bigger and heavier than the 85/2, it's just a better lens all around. Ditto on the 135. And I figure I can always pick up another copy later on if I really regret it, the 85/2 and 135/2.8 are common enough. >Nick, >As a 21/2 owner, I can understand your desire to sell the 24 and 35, but I >couldn't last without my 85 and 135! >Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 16:33:09 2010 Received: (qmail 29033 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 14:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 14:33:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DCAE180C5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3F6E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA92E4B234 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC922E4B229 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1327084fga.8 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:33:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.65 with SMTP id o1mr621120hbh.83.1275489182676; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:33:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 16:33:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c066ba564401006886880 That's priceless Chris. Thanks for sharing. Charlie On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 17:08:57 2010 Received: (qmail 21399 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 15:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 15:08:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5331E180A6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FD6E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F89A34AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E82B34AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=q7FD15Xr545AYYxLuRxh8NAlF1RX961CvM641wXl56g= c=1 sm=0 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=mPCA13qlrVFMRw89N0wA:9 a=3UZjY5uBZ8nv46iWWrYA:7 a=J59oYlnputPfs1cEgGS4tXV2IHsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:38658] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id FA/8D-04511-004760C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:08:48 +0000 Message-Id: <02096F0C-91F6-4B0E-A140-9972426DEC2A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:08:48 -0400 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 17:08:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c067409305955683411216 Yeah, but you're talking extreme extremes here. Nothing wrong with bending the bits. That's what they're for. It's how you bend them that makes all the difference. If I'm working with real extremes, I'm more likely to make two exposures, or more, on a tripod, and sandwich files to get what I want. But the vast majority of the time I'm talking about working in increments of less than a stop, or at most, a stop and a half. The subtle differences ACR's ND filter can make are outrageous. Especially because if I want to, and I sometimes do, I can run an ND from the top going from darker to lighter, and from the bottom going from lighter to darker, adjust separately, and get a very nice effect. (With glass, you'd have to have a couple of filters hanging off the end of the lens, and that's going to be about as negative as any bit bending, if not more so. Not to mention you can't see what you got until later, when you can't duplicate it.) At times, my adjustment may be only a third of a stop or even less, but that third of a stop makes a major difference in how the final print looks. Different strokes for different folks in different situations with different wants, needs, etc., but as a rule when I'm in pretty-picture mode, I prefer ACR and CS4, and I must say my enthusiasms for learning the different things I can do approach your enthusiasms for that 3Ti. Personally, I'm in favor of giving thanks that we have enthusiasms, especially ones that don't involve blowing other people up, etc. Nothing helps the old lifespan like a good healthy enthusiasm. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > First of all, I shoot mixed > formats and secondly the less bit-bending you have to do in post the > better. Sure, you can apply gradients in post, recover highlights and > even pull shadows up 14 stops, but in doing so you lose color > fidelity, tonal gradients and end up pulling shadow noise up where it > shouldn't be. With most digital files if you try to recover the shadow > too much you see a nasty shadow transition as well as color shifts. > Highlight recovery may also cause unusual color shifts at the extremes > in exposure. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 17:11:57 2010 Received: (qmail 9637 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 15:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 15:11:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9034DE1808C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401D9E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCE8E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1CBE47220 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=74JnLFa83AupR771NDpvX3hidagCJQVx2UWyJeMK1mM= c=1 sm=0 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=RXnSTInp0VKRYz5wpKkA:9 a=GA9D4LaTxsjQ2psRkIoNn1_aQgEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GeXEjvMwuc1srWMM:21 a=SbzbvJuAmmbpedS8:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1117] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id B0/0A-12052-5B4760C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:11:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4C0674B3.1060000@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:11:47 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net><3706F7022FC5403F9B7A436A8BD5ADD9@MAIN> <8916EF61-8017-4A7F-AA59-FB21F726A3F0@threeshoes.net> <2F755A003E964E4EA67D800263E0E6B5@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <2F755A003E964E4EA67D800263E0E6B5@MAIN> Subject: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 17:11:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0674bd178991612113968 Hi List, I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus Viewer. Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with Firefox, it won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 twice, turned off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing it, and rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera comes up, and then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus Viewer encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the message to Microsoft does nothing, of course. Unfortunately, I have now wasted the 2 hour window I had to get things done around here, and I must leave. But, before I do I thought I'd pose the question to the list and see if anyone here has ideas or suggestions. Googling for the issue has given me no answers whatsoever. I do see a few people posting to forums the same issue, but I never see it resolved or discussed in any way. Thank you in advance. A frustrated Candace -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 17:26:46 2010 Received: (qmail 14595 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 15:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 15:26:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46768E1808C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5208EE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8FCE4721C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A57E47219 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=74JnLFa83AupR771NDpvX3hidagCJQVx2UWyJeMK1mM= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=4CHPf1AIOm1fnrtVdIsA:9 a=Q2VlLgwARhNyrfooIXTKT0zgDcoA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=jfUqtIf2hEOAMWHs:21 a=j3R7bl8FFHTYDB-j:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1240] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id FD/0B-12052-038760C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4C06782C.5080601@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:26:36 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <89A29FC5-951A-4EF5-9B62-07EDB09B73C1@threeshoes.net><3706F7022FC5403F9B7A436A8BD5ADD9@MAIN> <8916EF61-8017-4A7F-AA59-FB21F726A3F0@threeshoes.net> <2F755A003E964E4EA67D800263E0E6B5@MAIN> <4C0674B3.1060000@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <4C0674B3.1060000@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 17:26:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c067836277989730998309 Forgot to include: I do have the latest version of Olympus Master installed. Some posters have said they found that Viewer wouldn't install without the latest version of Olympus Master installed. Candace Candace wrote: > Hi List, > > I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus Viewer. > Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with Firefox, it > won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 twice, turned > off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing it, and > rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera comes up, and > then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus Viewer > encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the message to > Microsoft does nothing, of course. > > Unfortunately, I have now wasted the 2 hour window I had to get things > done around here, and I must leave. But, before I do I thought I'd pose > the question to the list and see if anyone here has ideas or > suggestions. Googling for the issue has given me no answers whatsoever. > I do see a few people posting to forums the same issue, but I never see > it resolved or discussed in any way. > > Thank you in advance. > A frustrated Candace > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 17:37:24 2010 Received: (qmail 9838 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 15:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 15:37:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5DAE18092 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDF0E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3F834AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBAB34AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 40269 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2010 15:37:15 -0000 Message-ID: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: U3AB_3AVM1nbnQ5cyQCZF3cr6buEc4plWDEtXuadJi8_4WD 17_x1TJtl8LayB6xvTV9I3VZ4uCFRAPxNparpL.FE_IkTBPis3KzQXh7RgKq vLW3fjimyRCMX7owMMby99ev_wnkclaws0TM3NP0OKBVBEx6WFvyOsvPf93c XolIHvkCGWq38A6vjc1KiDAp_aGkIAAv_1XQFwSEBQ5nqBkbM_yBCAzVsglH YzZl39VOioSYAHytsz62EFa6pRkJ6uTiWAhAkWUGmBmM4RzcvumWaOiu4bXR S93cL5_U- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:37:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0674B3.1060000@bresnan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 17:37:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c067ab412881006886880 Nothing to do with your PC or Internet connection. Perhaps the file gets corrupted as it downloads or maybe there is an issue on the server. I would wait a few hours and try again. > > I am having great difficulty with trying to download > Olympus Viewer. > Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with > Firefox, it > won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 > twice, turned > off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing > it, and > rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera > comes up, and > then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus > Viewer > encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the > message to > Microsoft does nothing, of course. > > Unfortunately, I have now wasted the 2 hour window I had to > get things > done around here, and I must leave. But, before I do I > thought I'd pose > the question to the list and see if anyone here has ideas > or > suggestions. Googling for the issue has given me no answers > whatsoever. > I do see a few people posting to forums the same issue, but > I never see > it resolved or discussed in any way. > > Thank you in advance. > A frustrated Candace > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 18:38:08 2010 Received: (qmail 21106 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41942E18088 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F9CE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A4934AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1182534AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o52Gbo2V032521 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.ca2.6c21e833 (37225) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA064-91694c0688dc62; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:37:48 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:37:48 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5009 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 71.29.231.75 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 18:38:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0688f047041413256596 In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:18:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nherndon@gmail.com writes: Yeah, I know...but the 100/2 I picked up recently has basically replaced both lenses. Even though it is significantly bigger and heavier than the 85/2, it's just a better lens all around. Well if it is "just a better all round" lens than the 85mm f2, it must be one heck of a great lens. I love my 85mm f2, loose focusing grip and all. It will be the one you have to pry from my cold dead hands. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 18:45:43 2010 Received: (qmail 15805 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF05E180BA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1252E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5C6E47219 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886EDE47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AA05170000A8; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:45:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 82C0D700009E; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:45:36 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100602164536535.82C0D700009E@msfrf2107.sfr.fr Message-Id: <17570654-7F9E-41EE-8316-390408EED0B9@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:45:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: Opera Garnier - Hall and Diva X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 18:45:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c068ab79865368819438 Inside the Wedding Cake - both handheld hence I could have done better, yet here they are : http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Garnier-Inside+the+wedding+cake-bw-1000777-2.jpg.html (you may click large for details of the architecture) and Diva http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Garnier-Casta+Diva-1000784-2.jpg.html C&C welcome Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe NO ARCHIVE -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 18:58:44 2010 Received: (qmail 3824 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 16:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 16:58:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC9BE180C5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA017E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E8CE47220 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F282E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1386665fxm.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.200 with SMTP id 8mr629701hbk.71.1275497918785; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.190.78 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> References: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:58:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 18:58:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c068dc428781234514069 Bill, to be honest, I also sold my copy of the 85f2 after I got the 100mm f2. It is one of the lesser known lenses, late to come to the party, but it is the girl you want to take home :). The only "problem" is the size and weight, but compared to other systems it still is very compact. Iwert 2010/6/2, NSURIT@aol.com : > > > In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:18:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > nherndon@gmail.com writes: > > Yeah, I know...but the 100/2 I picked up recently has basically > replaced both lenses. Even though it is significantly bigger and > heavier than the 85/2, it's just a better lens all around. > > > Well if it is "just a better all round" lens than the 85mm f2, it must be > one heck of a great lens. I love my 85mm f2, loose focusing grip and all. > It will be the one you have to pry from my cold dead hands. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 19:00:58 2010 Received: (qmail 532 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 17:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 17:00:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFEEE180A5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9D0E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB332E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A06CE47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1203585iwn.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.155.3 with SMTP id q3mr10204293ibw.20.1275498023695; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> References: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:00:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cwK5b567enECUMk-rIMR6izNr6U Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 19:00:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c068e4a79945368819438 > Well if it is "just a better all round" lens than the 85mm f2, it must = =A0be > one heck of a great lens. =A0I love my 85mm f2, loose focusing grip and = =A0all. > It will be the one you have to pry from my cold dead hands. Bill =A0Barber Short answer, Bill. It is. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 19:00:59 2010 Received: (qmail 20145 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 17:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 17:00:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936AE180BF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3565BE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F437E47222 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84589E4B234 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1so2623067gya.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.6.211 with SMTP id b19mr8264392icb.6.1275497960713; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02096F0C-91F6-4B0E-A140-9972426DEC2A@roadrunner.com> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <02096F0C-91F6-4B0E-A140-9972426DEC2A@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:59:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ASkrzOBvUDvu-hifsvgjrbA82WI Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 19:00:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c068e4b231376789618724 Bob, under the circumstances you mention where a stop or less of ND adjustment is what is necessary to put that correct balance on the picture, I'm with you that doing it in the computer makes more sense than not. I'm with you on that and I bend those bits like there is no tomorrow! One of the things I really really liked about RawShooter was the ability to yank the shadows and highlights during conversion like no other program could. Even the latest Lightroom doesn't come close to what that old RawShooter program could do. Da best of da best. The closest I've found so far is SilkyPix!!! That all said, let's deal with a specific example where I'm perfectly content with lens-based filters. Sunset/sunrise skies. This is a situation where I'm trying to keep the ground from going pitch black while keeping the sky from blowing out. We have three options, which CAN be mixed and matched: 1. On-lens Gradient Filter. This is one of those rough tools that get you close, but further tweaking may be required. To use a cooking parallel, this is like salting the food while cooking--it gets you close, but people will still use salt and pepper for individual tastes at the table. 2. Multishot HDR. Works great under many situations, but does require extensive post-production time to perform. What takes a few seconds with the camera now takes many minutes in front of the computer. This method is great for archetechural photography, though! I do HDR once in a while and have no fear of using it, but find that its usually more bother than its worth. 3. Shadow/Highlight Recovery, curves adjustment and post-processing tonal adjustment. This is the usual axe that I choose to wield. With the E-1, I've got a few stops more latitude than the usual digital bear, so I've gotten spoiled by that and exploit it heavily. Come to think of it, I've gotten so spoiled that I have tremendous difficulty doing my usual methods with other cameras. But if you have to make wide swings in adjustment, this is like adding salt to food after it's cooked--it takes a whole lot more than if it was added while cooking and the flavor just isn't quite the same. Doing darkroom work, I'm reminded that my tonal adjustment tend to be a bit more heavy-handed than what most people do. I'm dodging and burning, shucking and jiving my way through prints to the point where sometimes there is little that resembles the original work print. Same with digital manipulation, I can be pretty wicked with the curves. OK, OK, I'm almost always pretty wicked with the curves. (Moose and Schnozz--twins separated at birth). But a funny thing happened on the way to the image dance, my Velvia shots using ND grads, polarizers and light modifiers need almost no manipulation in the computer except to correct for scanner deficiencies. The point is, that IT IS possible to get things close to final in-camera without resorting to using the post-process process as a requirement to "complete" the photograph. Not always, but when the broad brush-strokes of a 1, 2, or 3-stop ND GRAD filter can get the contrast of the scene in the neighborhood then the tweaking in post is much more restrained. Just because we CAN recover highlights or shadows in post doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best solution when dealing with extremes. > Different strokes for different folks in different situations with > different wants, needs, etc., but as a rule when I'm in pretty-picture > mode, I prefer ACR and CS4, and I must say my enthusiasms for learning > the different things I can do approach your enthusiasms for that 3Ti. Our choice in brand names of the cameras as software are different, but the funny thing is that we ARE doing the same general thing to our files. (your files tend to be more interesting than mine, though). I too am quite enthusiastic about the digital post process and embrace it wholeheartedly--especially for color. B&W, not so much, but that's mostly because my own skills and my computer tools aren't up to the task yet. Besides, I like breathing stop bath and fixer. I talk a good game about being a recalcitrant, but when it comes right down to it, I'm probably in front of the computer processing images as much as anybody. Besides, I'm not an exclusively enthusiastic about any one thing. One day I'm Mr. 3Ti, the next day I'm Mr. L1. The next day, I'm Mr. iPad. I just like so many things--it's all good. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 20:34:11 2010 Received: (qmail 17312 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 18:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 18:34:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CAEE18094 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EC1E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB2BE47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7BEE47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so4174502wwb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.69 with SMTP id v5mr8377568wbt.208.1275503641461; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r35sm31232656wbv.17.2010.06.02.11.33.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:33:52 +0100 Message-Id: <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 20:34:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06a423235785368819438 Do you want some coaching with the Mail client on your i-Thingy, Ken? You can travel around with your OM List now ... :-) Chris On 2 Jun 2010, at 15:06, Ken Norton wrote: > Trying to respond to this again... Don't you love mail client programs > that can't figure out the account an email is tied to? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 21:10:03 2010 Received: (qmail 27180 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 19:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 19:10:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E50FE180CB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A14E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE543610001 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A834AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1525678gwb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.7.129 with SMTP id e1mr52174ice.13.1275505795647; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:09:55 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Zzmx8G4pXGbEEleHaKgA3jYqZss Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 21:10:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06ac8b203241136683642 >Do you want some coaching with the Mail client on your i-Thingy, Ken? >You can travel around with your OM List now ... :-) Well, at issue is that I have gmail functioning as my email aggregater which is pulling from three different domains/addresses. If you are using the gmail web-based user-interface to "Reply" to an email, it is smart enough to know which source account it was from and will reply from that account. However, If you use the Apple email client app (or the email app in the Palm Centro) that source information is lost and when you reply you end up replying from the gmail address. It wouldn't be so bad if I had my OM List account as the gmail account, but due to spamming, I use a different one to keep things separate. BTW, the Clinometer app is very useful. Leveled three pictures around the house last night. Why Apple didn't stick a USB port on this thing is beyond me. Maybe they failed to grasp the concept of "Universal" in USB. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 22:08:34 2010 Received: (qmail 2955 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB90E180A8 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51973E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4657BE47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B86E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=74JnLFa83AupR771NDpvX3hidagCJQVx2UWyJeMK1mM= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=iNQB3Xd3K5XljS9wtGoA:9 a=DfN5WNOdwo3jqgf4dYaIJ0fMGrQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NjFoXjYewOhrzlcQ:21 a=SuO5NXfb3YEAp7K2:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1069] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id E5/8C-12052-13AB60C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:08:18 +0000 Message-ID: <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:08:14 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 22:08:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06ba42190287801554290 Thanx, Ali. It's still a no-go. :-( And now my computer is behaving badly, sigh. I need an "easy button". LOL Candace AS wrote: > Nothing to do with your PC or Internet connection. Perhaps the file gets corrupted as it downloads or maybe there is an issue on the server. I would wait a few hours and try again. > > > >> I am having great difficulty with trying to download >> Olympus Viewer. >> Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with >> Firefox, it >> won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 >> twice, turned >> off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing >> it, and >> rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera >> comes up, and >> then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus >> Viewer >> encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the >> message to >> Microsoft does nothing, of course. >> >> Unfortunately, I have now wasted the 2 hour window I had to >> get things >> done around here, and I must leave. But, before I do I >> thought I'd pose >> the question to the list and see if anyone here has ideas >> or >> suggestions. Googling for the issue has given me no answers >> whatsoever. >> I do see a few people posting to forums the same issue, but >> I never see >> it resolved or discussed in any way. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> A frustrated Candace >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 22:13:31 2010 Received: (qmail 6102 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1CFE1809D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBE0E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B46EE47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD62E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1452859fga.8 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:13:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.193 with SMTP id n1mr533345hbg.162.1275509597068; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 22:13:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06bb6b7271946193717 Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can answer a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was also a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is a brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? Is it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? Thanks, Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 22:32:18 2010 Received: (qmail 32166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B49E1809B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22170E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1612DE47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D04E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so426192wyb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr8535973wbt.118.1275510732103; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r35sm31992742wbv.11.2010.06.02.13.32.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:32:08 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 22:32:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06bfd2251661220213263 It would probably have made it thicker, Ken. It's a very shallow device: I saw my first one today, visiting younger son in the Regent Street Apple Store. I was smitten ... Or there might have been sneaky commercial reasons for leaving out USB :-) Chris On 2 Jun 2010, at 20:09, Ken Norton wrote: > Why Apple didn't stick a USB port on this thing is beyond me. Maybe > they failed to grasp the concept of "Universal" in USB. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 22:36:56 2010 Received: (qmail 13487 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 20:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 20:36:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E864E18089 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6074BE240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53228E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:36:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7C4E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so4277778wwb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.207 with SMTP id i15mr8420826wbv.214.1275511007464; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm61698830wby.22.2010.06.02.13.36.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:36:45 +0100 Message-Id: <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [OM] OT Mail clients, was Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 22:36:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06c0e853431234514069 I don't think that that's true, Ken. I might have misunderstood what you want, but I have 8 email accounts on my iPhone's Mail app and replying to any email will send using the account to which the original email was addressed. This email is a good example, although I have 12 email accounts on my Macs. In addition, you can change the sending account before you send the message. Chris On 2 Jun 2010, at 20:09, Ken Norton wrote: > Well, at issue is that I have gmail functioning as my email aggregater > which is pulling from three different domains/addresses. If you are > using the gmail web-based user-interface to "Reply" to an email, it is > smart enough to know which source account it was from and will reply > from that account. > > However, > > If you use the Apple email client app (or the email app in the Palm > Centro) that source information is lost and when you reply you end up > replying from the gmail address. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 2 23:46:51 2010 Received: (qmail 16502 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 21:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 21:46:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3CEE18088 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E6CE240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF4534AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70AC34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11820 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 21:46:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 2 23:46:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d14b193692013633067 What's the fundamental difference between an RB and an RZ? I take it the RZ lenses are of later design with better coatings? Do RB lenses fit on RZ bodies and vice-versa? Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Don't know about the RZ, but I used an RB on a daily basis for about nine > years, so I'm thoroughly experienced with it. There was plenty of mirror > slap, and the lenses were so lacking in contrast, that the smallest spot of > light anywhere in view, even on another planet or in a parallel universe, > gave the flattest, greyest results. I understand that later lenses were > improved with that new stuff they called coatings, but don't know. > > Bill pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sawyer, Edward" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy > > >> I am with Dawid, I like the RZ (RB in his case) better than the Hassy's for >> the reasons he mentioned. The screaming deals available on the RZ (and even >> moreso RB) gear don't hurt either. Plus if you really feel the need to go >> digital, basically every medium-format digital back ever made can be >> adapted to an RZ. And I'd hardly call any Hassy better ergonomically - they >> are just as chunky and non-ergonomic. They do have some sweet lenses, no >> question. Those are the real strength of that system. >> >> Generally I prefer the Mamiya 7 (the optics of which beat up on basically >> all the Hassy lenses), but sometimes that's not really feasible - mainly >> for close-ups, portraits and the like. That's when I reach for the RZ. >> >> Sadly my OM gear has been pretty neglected lately in favor of the MF >> cameras. >> >> -Ed >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 > 09:57:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:04:23 2010 Received: (qmail 27247 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:04:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4DEEDC00D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE194E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B218E3610004 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6429A3610002 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so4237892vws.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.95 with SMTP id a31mr6077002vcp.226.1275516246306; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:04:06 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:04:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d56732751612113968 I don't know, but I'd do my best to make it work as it should. It's quite a piece of gear, it's a dual mono power amp !: Fernando. 2010/6/2 Charles Geilfuss : > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo > but I managed to get it home. > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? Is > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > Thanks, > Charlie > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:08:13 2010 Received: (qmail 27392 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:08:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A53E1808C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD384E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C407434AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120CE34AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18315 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 22:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:08:03 -0000 Message-Id: <81031A4D-D62A-48E0-9F53-FA12E7DB3923@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:08:02 +1000 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:08:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d64d319861950411718 Depends. I visited an art photographer at the weekend - we had an open studio weekend around here. He's a graphic designer by trade so he's not afraid to bend bits. In fact, he shoots with a cheap, old 8mp compact (couldn't even remember the make and model when I asked) and bends in PS - oh goodness does he bend. The image is the start - post is his thing. And the images are amazing, printed on a silver lustre paper of some sort (not metallic - just a hint of silver for 'punch'). And they sell - AU $400 for a framed A2 size. Doesn't really give you the idea - the first two are detailed, subtle and they glow. Obviously he loves the twirl filter. Ain't the gear - it's the skill. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/06/2010, at 12:06 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > and secondly the less bit-bending you have to do in post the > better -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:10:04 2010 Received: (qmail 1342 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:10:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F24CE1809C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FC4E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44218E4721C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8480E47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OJw8B-0005Oq-9z for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:09:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4C06D6A0.8000209@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:09:36 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <30a6d.c4568.3937e2dc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:10:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d6bc181835034211378 SNAP - sold my copies of the 85/f2 & 135/f2.8 after getting an 100/f2, probably the best zuiko I've got. Also, quite pleased with me Mamiya RB67 (doesn't sound like the one Bill had to contend with) - though I can see you might get pissed off with any camera you had to use for every day for 9 years...... Cheers - Martyn zuiko wrote: > Bill, to be honest, I also sold my copy of the 85f2 after I got the > 100mm f2. It is one of the lesser known lenses, late to come to the > party, but it is the girl you want to take home :). > The only "problem" is the size and weight, but compared to other > systems it still is very compact. > > Iwert > > 2010/6/2, NSURIT@aol.com : > >> In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:18:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> nherndon@gmail.com writes: >> >> Yeah, I know...but the 100/2 I picked up recently has basically >> replaced both lenses. Even though it is significantly bigger and >> heavier than the 85/2, it's just a better lens all around. >> >> >> Well if it is "just a better all round" lens than the 85mm f2, it must be >> one heck of a great lens. I love my 85mm f2, loose focusing grip and all. >> It will be the one you have to pry from my cold dead hands. Bill Barber >> -- >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:14:40 2010 Received: (qmail 5318 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:14:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C123DE1808D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EECE240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE02E34AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9521934AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so4250869vws.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:14:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.137 with SMTP id p9mr6098293vcr.236.1275516873850; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.45.137 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:14:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:14:33 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lenses for sale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:14:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d7d0233315683411216 Is it a 6 - 4 or a 5 - 4 elements / construction sample? Fernando. 2010/6/1 Nicholas Herndon : > Up for sale are ( ... ) 85/2 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:16:51 2010 Received: (qmail 12035 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:16:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227FEE18094 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1052E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA8D34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C404634AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27794 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 22:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.169.73) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:15:25 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:15:25 +1000 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/06/2010, at 6:32 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > It's a very shallow device: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:18:29 2010 Received: (qmail 27547 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D44E180C0 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D564E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2CB34AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C0534AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32717 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 22:17:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:18:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06d8b5209124877110844 What AS said except that I wouldn't bother waiting a couple of hours. Assume you already have a copy stored somewhere as file1. Download another copy and assume it's called file2. Then open up a command line window and type: fc /b file1 file2 which translates to: compare file1 with file2 in binary mode. If the two files compare equal there are no download data errors. If they don't compare equal then wait a few hours and try downloading as file3. Then compare file1 with file3 and file2 with file3. If you get a match file3 is good. If you don't get a match discard file1 and file2 and download file4 and compare again. Your problem starts up again if you get a good match and so have a known good file but Olympus Viewer still won't work. It may have no bearing on the problem whatsoever but my next question is why you're still running SP2. When visiting my daughter's house several months ago she complained that her computer was acting very bizarre... not always behaving as expected and running as slow as molasses. It took a lot of work and guessing on my part but I finally figured out that, despite running anti-virus and anti-malware software her computer had been infected by one or more viruses endemic to SP2. I also discovered an uninstalled copy of the SP3 upgrade package on her hard drive. It had arrived through automatic updates but she had never chosen to install it. After installing SP3 (and performing a few other minor steps I can't recall) all was well. I recommend SP3 before doing much else. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Nothing to do with your PC or Internet connection. Perhaps the file > gets corrupted as it downloads or maybe there is an issue on the > server. I would wait a few hours and try again. > > >> I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus >> Viewer. Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with >> Firefox, it won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with >> IE 8 twice, turned off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then >> installing it, and rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with >> the camera comes up, and then the windows pop up error box comes up >> and says Olympus Viewer encountered a problem and needs to close. >> Sending the message to Microsoft does nothing, of course. >> >> Unfortunately, I have now wasted the 2 hour window I had to get >> things done around here, and I must leave. But, before I do I >> thought I'd pose the question to the list and see if anyone here >> has ideas or suggestions. Googling for the issue has given me no >> answers whatsoever. I do see a few people posting to forums the >> same issue, but I never see it resolved or discussed in any way. >> >> Thank you in advance. A frustrated Candace >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:24:16 2010 Received: (qmail 27101 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:24:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495C0E180AB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FC7E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4C734AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FCD34AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4553 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 22:24:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Opera Garnier - Hall and Diva X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:24:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06da10208265368819438 Wow! Opulent is the operative word I think. I didn't know what it was and had to look it up. The first time I was in Paris it didn't yet exist. The second time I had to work and had no time for photos or architecture. :-) Chuck Norcutt philippe.amard wrote: > Inside the Wedding Cake - both handheld hence I could have done > better, yet here they are : > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Garnier-Inside+the+wedding+cake-bw-1000777-2.jpg.html > (you may click large for details of the architecture) > > and Diva > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Garnier-Casta+Diva-1000784-2.jpg.html > > C&C welcome > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > NO ARCHIVE > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:28:27 2010 Received: (qmail 20476 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:28:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107FCE18090 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEB2E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010D9E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BA9E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7234 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2010 22:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4C06DB04.7090004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:28:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:28:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06db0b104035683411216 Or perhaps Apple reads "Universal" as "not proprietary". Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > > Why Apple didn't stick a USB port on this thing is beyond me. Maybe > they failed to grasp the concept of "Universal" in USB. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 00:44:17 2010 Received: (qmail 23289 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 22:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 22:44:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9523CE1808F for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B9E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5D534AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C760334AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o52Mi9dq027330 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:44:10 +1000 Message-Id: <201006022244.o52Mi9dq027330@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:44:09 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:44:09 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 00:44:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06dec1318884877110844 Same thing with white balance, if you let the camera do it (e.g. for tungsten lighting) the blue channel gets approximately 2 stops less light than the red, then when you boost the blue in raw conversion you pull in extra noise and also reduce your effective dynamic range by 2 stops. Better to use an 80A filter to get the WB at least close then just make small adjustments in post processing. ...Wayne > Ken Norton wrote: > > Trying to respond to this again... Don't you love mail client programs > that can't figure out the account an email is tied to? > > I'm personally a fan of on lens filters. First of all, I shoot mixed > formats and secondly the less bit-bending you have to do in post the > better. Sure, you can apply gradients in post, recover highlights and > even pull shadows up 14 stops, but in doing so you lose color > fidelity, tonal gradients and end up pulling shadow noise up where it > shouldn't be. With most digital files if you try to recover the shadow > too much you see a nasty shadow transition as well as color shifts. > Highlight recovery may also cause unusual color shifts at the extremes > in exposure. > > But my approach isn't an either or, but not being afraid of using both > techniques. Is there anything wrong with trying to get it right > in-camera? Of course not--provided that it isn't a hardship to do so. > > Ag > > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2010, Bob Whitmire > wrote: > > You just don't blow out the sky. You know the drill: expose for the > > highlights, post process for the shadows. > > > > Of course I don't recall now if we were talking film or digital, but > > if shooting digital, push that histogram all the way to the right-- > > after experimentation to see when stuff really does start getting > > blown out. It's my understanding that the histogram you see on the > > back of the camera is generated from the in-camera .jpg, and does not > > necessarily closely relate to the actual RAW file. Without > > experimentation, it's not terribly reliable. I've messed with the D3 > > enough now to pretty well tell when I've pushed to the limit. There is > > an incredible amount of information in those highlights that is > > recoverable with the proper post-processing approach. > > > > And watch that "fake filter" talk, Bub. ACR's graduated filter is > > no more fake than a piece of glass hung out in front of your lens. > > It's just different. > > > > --Bob Whitmire > > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > > >> > >>> If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's infinitely > >>> customizable. Add the gradient feature in Photoshop and you can > leave > >>> the filters at home. Not necessary. > >>> > >> I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky is > >> blown > >> out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info that was never > >> there. > >> > >> Bill Pearce > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:06:44 2010 Received: (qmail 10997 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4A2E1809D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E91E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DD8E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D36E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1323318iwn.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.60.7 with SMTP id n7mr10670069ibh.60.1275519996331; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201006022244.o52Mi9dq027330@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <201006022244.o52Mi9dq027330@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:06:36 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WVLpHv3mpJaX6exhAeDi-jzkdiQ Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:06:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e404130851234514069 > Same thing with white balance, if you let the camera do it (e.g. for tung= sten lighting) the blue channel gets approximately 2 stops less light than = the red, then when you boost the blue in raw conversion you pull in extra n= oise and also reduce your effective dynamic range by 2 stops. =A0Better to = use an 80A filter to get the WB at least close then just make small adjustm= ents in post processing. Yes, but the hazard there is that with the 80A filter you are lowering the effective sensitivity of the green and red channels to match the blue channel. If you compensate by raising ISO then you end up increasing the noise and decreasing the dynamic range of the other channels to align themselves with the blue channel. The question then becomes which is worse? Increasing noise in the green and red channels to match the noise of the blue channel? Or is it possible to negate the effect of the blue-channel noise enough to make it a non-issue? If we are able to maintain a low ISO and adequate shutter speed then using an 80A filter should be the no-brainer, but using the filter may instantly compromise the rest of the image-processing chain. In my own experience, when adjusting white-balance in post for a tungsten lit shot, I'm good to go UNLESS there is a need to pull up the shadows. The lower ranks of the tonal range start to turn really mushy and blotchy. Typically correcting for tungsten pretty much boosts up the blue channel by around two stops. Anything from Zone IV on up is perfectly fine, but below that point there is enough nasties in there to make pulling the shadows up a disaster. If, however, you use the 80A to get in the neighborhood, the shadows should end up less blotchy because the blue channel is "optimized" in-camera. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:11:26 2010 Received: (qmail 13820 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:11:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E1DE18094 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCD3E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782B3E47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED203E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o52NBIQX032309 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:11:18 +1000 Message-Id: <201006022311.o52NBIQX032309@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:11:18 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:11:18 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:11:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e51e228051560218263 The "native" RZ lenses have an electronic shutter controlled by the RZ body. You can use RB lenses on an RZ body but not RZ lenses on an RB body. I'm pretty sure the latest series of RB lenses (K/L) are optically equivalent to the latest RZ lenses. Since the RB was released quite a while before the RZ the original RB lenses (single coated) aren't rated as highly as RZ lenses. RZ is battery dependant, RB is not. ...Wayne > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > What's the fundamental difference between an RB and an RZ? I take it > the RZ lenses are of later design with better coatings? Do RB lenses > fit on RZ bodies and vice-versa? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:15:24 2010 Received: (qmail 11273 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:15:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2EFE180AC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD9DE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D4934AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AE434AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100602231519.TRAL7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:15:19 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id RBQt1e009233qdw02BQt2n; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:24:53 -0400 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Y8tQD29ukb7aW-4V2SYA:9 a=anmjlGQlUaAtrf5i5kwA:7 a=E-l408ee04AtXwaNL5H9kUvti3UA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <92B7055E57564691BC769F88317920A6@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C86B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu><6F23633AC48D48D4B2FE7FEF9A4A9089@SueHome> <4C06D141.4090807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:15:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:15:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e60c303781879814018 The RB lenses were coated with something haze-like, and although I've never used them, the RZ lenses are reputed to be much better in terms of sharpness and contrast. To advance the film in the RB, you advanced it with the 35mm like thumb thing on the removable back, and then cocked the camera with the big thumb lever on the RH (!) side. I think lenses fit both. Don't know if the RZ is lighter, but I certainly hope so. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy > What's the fundamental difference between an RB and an RZ? I take it > the RZ lenses are of later design with better coatings? Do RB lenses > fit on RZ bodies and vice-versa? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Sue Pearce wrote: >> Don't know about the RZ, but I used an RB on a daily basis for about nine >> years, so I'm thoroughly experienced with it. There was plenty of mirror >> slap, and the lenses were so lacking in contrast, that the smallest spot >> of >> light anywhere in view, even on another planet or in a parallel universe, >> gave the flattest, greyest results. I understand that later lenses were >> improved with that new stuff they called coatings, but don't know. >> >> Bill pearce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sawyer, Edward" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy >> >> >>> I am with Dawid, I like the RZ (RB in his case) better than the Hassy's >>> for >>> the reasons he mentioned. The screaming deals available on the RZ (and >>> even >>> moreso RB) gear don't hurt either. Plus if you really feel the need to >>> go >>> digital, basically every medium-format digital back ever made can be >>> adapted to an RZ. And I'd hardly call any Hassy better ergonomically - >>> they >>> are just as chunky and non-ergonomic. They do have some sweet lenses, no >>> question. Those are the real strength of that system. >>> >>> Generally I prefer the Mamiya 7 (the optics of which beat up on >>> basically >>> all the Hassy lenses), but sometimes that's not really feasible - mainly >>> for close-ups, portraits and the like. That's when I reach for the RZ. >>> >>> Sadly my OM gear has been pretty neglected lately in favor of the MF >>> cameras. >>> >>> -Ed >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 >> 09:57:00 >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:17:10 2010 Received: (qmail 19860 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:17:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D13FE1808A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F31E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD00E4B228 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C592AE47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk whitelisted) Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (smtp.north.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-135-7-77.range86-135.btcentralplus.com ([86.135.7.77] helo=[192.168.2.32]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJxAd-0000VO-2s for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:16:25 +0100 From: James King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-ID: 1OJxAd-0000VO-2s X-LONDONMET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1276125383.98035@+G3j75GG9NjJMxWTh1POGg Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:17:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e67630331342116753 #include #include #include Amplifiers are current devices and they expect around an 8 ohm impedance across their output terminals. since V = IR 8 ohms is going to give a lot of current for a particular voltage for even a small voltage across the load. A multimeter, in measuring volts mode, is going to have an impedance of 40M ohms or more and this kind of load is going to draw almost no current and therefore provide almost no voltage - it will look to the amp like nothing is connected. In current measuring mode the meter will have a very low impedance <1ohm and this will draw too much current from the amp and blow it/trigger the protection circuits. - you cant examine it this way. You need to simulate a reasonable load and then measure that.... What you need is a dummy load or a pair of crappy speakers to test it out. if you can get an 8ohm resistor of around 25+ watts and connect it to the speaker terminals of the amp. Then you can simulate a very well behaved speaker. Then connect the volt meter in parallel to the resistor and put it in volts measuring mode. Measure with the volume at minimum i.e. system noise should not be much around 1mv or so Beyond this its difficult to measure without a scope so that you can "see the amp output" You need a scope and a sine and square wave generator so you can "see" what the amp is producing. (or a cd with known test signals or a pc soundcard into the preamp and some software) Either way you need a realistic 8 ohm load before you can do any measurements. Good luck James On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can answer > a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. > Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick > up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. > Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was also > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo > but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the > Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is a > brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights > on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the > right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? Is > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > Thanks, > Charlie > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:26:44 2010 Received: (qmail 28334 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:26:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CEDEDC019 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBF4E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76279E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:26:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7F0E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o52NQZYb020794 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:26:35 +1000 Message-Id: <201006022326.o52NQZYb020794@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:26:35 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:26:35 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:26:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e8b3192395034211378 > Sue Pearce wrote: > > The RB lenses were coated with something haze-like Absolute BS ! > and although I've > never > used them, the RZ lenses are reputed to be much better in terms of > sharpness > and contrast. To advance the film in the RB, you advanced it with the > 35mm > like thumb thing on the removable back, and then cocked the camera with > the > big thumb lever on the RH (!) side. I think lenses fit both. Don't know > if > the RZ is lighter, but I certainly hope so. > RZ is a bit lighter than RB. If you decide you want to use a prism rather than the WLF or chimney finder add an extra 1.5kg. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:32:07 2010 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:32:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17442E1808E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D91E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E5834AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E834AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6ktyLxB6FM1nr2PN9G8j2gpQnITtV8SeTTTKDbPC5Wc= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=pK3JBBqIZ7cooFBz6MAA:9 a=QAR1Wtco60kVVLqF8TAA:7 a=oR6cjPS64sbh60e6XyUAMg3k90oA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1711] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster2.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id DB/F9-08787-1F9E60C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:32:01 +0000 Message-ID: <4C06E9EC.9040307@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:31:56 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06D878.5090306@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C06D878.5090306@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:32:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06e9f710433900897491 Thank you, Chuck. I will do exactly as you recommend in comparing downloads. As far as: my next question is why you're still running SP2. Chuck Norcutt Well, that would be because I did not check before I emailed and so I failed to learn that I am *not* running SP2. I do, in fact, have SP3 running. :-) I wish it could have been something that simple. Candace -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:33:53 2010 Received: (qmail 32377 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:33:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E27E18091 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF6CE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A53934AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CE434AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=R7M-hDLWbXUOiCdFwmUA:9 a=wETARaVTGDut_jWkDkUA:7 a=vpu-mFQJGRLnMu-G5guktcVWoasA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:34331] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id C7/8A-17309-75AE60C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:33:43 +0000 Message-Id: <66F302C1-5CD6-4378-B6A5-265F357EB0F7@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:33:43 -0400 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <02096F0C-91F6-4B0E-A140-9972426DEC2A@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:33:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06ea61320241744846740 On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > That all said, let's deal with a specific example where I'm perfectly > content with lens-based filters. Sunset/sunrise skies. This is a > situation where I'm trying to keep the ground from going pitch black > while keeping the sky from blowing out. Troublesome, for sure. I tend not to want too much detail in the foreground because I like the colors in the sky and would rather have them than ground detail. Not to mention I think too much detail (sometimes _any_ detail) doesn't look natural. For the past couple of years, I've been shying away from sunrise/sunset shots where the camera's pointed at the rising/setting. I get my kicks pointing a bit off center to try to get the color and texture and directionality of the light, and also the rocks or water or lighthouse or boat or whatever has struck my fancy. Was it here that someone said sunrise/ sunset shots are the most entered type of shots in photography contests, and the least likely to win? > 1. On-lens Gradient Filter. This is one of those rough tools that get > you close, but further tweaking may be required. To use a cooking > parallel, this is like salting the food while cooking--it gets you > close, but people will still use salt and pepper for individual tastes > at the table. Good analogy. Sometimes close is enough. Working with film, I would agree that the filter would be the way to go. That's why I've got a Cokin set gathering dust. Used it a lot when I was doing 4x5 work. Working with high-end digital, I'd be more likely to go with shadow/ highlight to recover just enough detail in the foreground to show the presence of a foreground. Not much more than that. > 2. Multishot HDR. Works great under many situations, but does require > extensive post-production time to perform. What takes a few seconds > with the camera now takes many minutes in front of the computer. I'm not a big fan of HDR, except, as you note, for architectural work, and a few situations where it makes a striking enough difference in the scene to be considered artistic unto itself. I know some HDR shooters who swear by it. But I think it's kind of an addiction, one I've avoided so far. That said, I know a guy in Boston who does HDR, and he's got a shot of the inside of an old boat house with a ramshackle lobster boat that is nothing short of gorgeous. Just when I get to disrespecting HDR, I see a shot that blows me away, and I understand why people do it. > 3. Shadow/Highlight Recovery, curves adjustment and post-processing > tonal adjustment. This is the usual axe that I choose to wield. With > the E-1, I've got a few stops more latitude than the usual digital > bear, so I've gotten spoiled by that and exploit it heavily. Come to > think of it, I've gotten so spoiled that I have tremendous difficulty > doing my usual methods with other cameras. But if you have to make > wide swings in adjustment, this is like adding salt to food after it's > cooked--it takes a whole lot more than if it was added while cooking > and the flavor just isn't quite the same. Good thing I've already eaten. One trick with shadow/highlights is to use it aggressively, then mask and fill with black and reveal only portions of what you've done, leaving the rest closer to darkness. I've been amazed time and again at what the D3 will reveal with shadow/ highlights, but there's a real trick to using all those sliders to keep a more natural look. Sometimes you can't, and it's time to move on. > Doing darkroom work, I'm reminded that my tonal adjustment tend to be > a bit more heavy-handed than what most people do. I'm dodging and > burning, shucking and jiving my way through prints to the point where > sometimes there is little that resembles the original work print. I've long since left the wet darkroom, so it's a non-issue for me. I have done it, probably could do it again, but choose not to. Nothing against it. I really enjoy seeing what the wet shooters are doing, and sometimes I realize I won't get that kind of shot with digital. But by and large, digital does what I need done. The trick, as I've said before, is to work very hard to get that exposure close to correct to begin with so the manipulation remains in the realm of the reasonable. Like the Buddha said, the middle path. > > Besides, I like breathing stop bath and fixer. Sometimes I can still smell the fixer, and frankly, I do miss it. But not enough to dive back in, though if you promise not to tell anyone, I've occasionally given some thought to doing 4x5 contact prints. All the pleasures and smells of the wet darkroom, but no need for an enlarger and all those pesky gynormous trays. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:35:30 2010 Received: (qmail 5878 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:35:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E34AE18088 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A874E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E16E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49330E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk whitelisted) Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (smtp.north.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-135-7-77.range86-135.btcentralplus.com ([86.135.7.77] helo=[192.168.2.32]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJxSA-0000sB-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4C06EA85.8010201@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:34:29 +0100 From: James King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-ID: 1OJxSA-0000sB-00 X-LONDONMET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1276126470.4343@yLkTIlRrENYGnDiM8ajRug Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:35:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06eac279471612113968 once you have a dummy load you prabably want to measure both DC and AC voltage - ac for noise and DC because its bad news. A large DC offset positive or negative is going to supply current to the voice coils of the speaker and the speaker cone will not move because only an ac current generates a moving magnetic field and a moving magnetic field moves the cone. A large DC offset can fry the voice coils in the speaker without you hearing anything... :-( On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can answer > a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. > Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick > up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. > Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was also > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo > but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the > Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is a > brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights > on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the > right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? Is > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > Thanks, > Charlie > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:37:10 2010 Received: (qmail 24256 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C03BE180A9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DC0E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20DE34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9985034AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=V5ITUSV1nYEA:10 a=GQCbJdZ--msA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=eSGk8f8FGQY3Kaju8kIA:9 a=ry_RbsEnHvWgYt9lze2URSTlJDQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:47354] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 1D/DF-03062-FEAE60C4; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:36:16 +0000 Message-Id: <9622DA67-E76E-4F38-B085-4FA21FF835A5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <81031A4D-D62A-48E0-9F53-FA12E7DB3923@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:36:15 -0400 References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <81031A4D-D62A-48E0-9F53-FA12E7DB3923@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:37:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06eb2628312439112457 And while it's a terribly over used word, Passion. Don't forget the passion. The floats-the-boat factor. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Obviously he loves the twirl filter. > Ain't the gear - it's the skill. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:43:09 2010 Received: (qmail 19671 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:43:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4545DE180AA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52364E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6F434AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFD934AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o52Nh0vg025956 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:43:00 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e52.14184cd (43960) for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD021-5bbf4c06ec752d2; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:42:51 -0400 Received: from webmail-d084 (webmail-d084.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.39]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA036-5bbf4c06ec752d2; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:42:45 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:42:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31793-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD0C46F8A093D-C10-2561@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:43:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06ec8d144211560218263 Thanks for the comments. I'm leaning towards giving the grad ND filters a go for this trip if there is room after packing the horse odyssey component paraphernalia. Would not put some crummy resin thing with a color cast in front of a nice lens but the well made resin ones may be less apt to break. I am not sure if Glass ones in Cokin P are even made anyway. The Ektar 100 tends to muddy up in the shadows more easily than the UC 100. Will prolly be 50% fim/digital. Moose will think I am nuts about the grad ND thing but I did just order a IGOTu for geo tag just like his--nice and tiny. Thanks again for the comments and links. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:48:27 2010 Received: (qmail 23466 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:48:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF5BE18087 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19EDE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A693A34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4863834AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26443 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 23:48:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:48:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06edcb323902517112723 A good point which I hadn't thought about. But if I'm doing white balance from a (usually poorly lit) incandescent scene it's unlikely that I'll want to give up 2 stops to the filter in the original exposure. I just checked my last instance of that which happened to be this past Saturday night. The three year-old granddaughter of a friend sound asleep on the couch. Canon 5D, ISO 3200, Tokina 28-80/2.8 at 58mm and f/2.8, hand held at 1/25 second. Already not terribly sharp due to the slow shutter. An extra 2 stops would be out of the question. But a tripod could have been used if one was readily available. The subject wasn't going anywhere. :-) Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > Same thing with white balance, if you let the camera do it (e.g. for > tungsten lighting) the blue channel gets approximately 2 stops less > light than the red, then when you boost the blue in raw conversion > you pull in extra noise and also reduce your effective dynamic range > by 2 stops. Better to use an 80A filter to get the WB at least close > then just make small adjustments in post processing. > > ...Wayne > > >> Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Trying to respond to this again... Don't you love mail client >> programs that can't figure out the account an email is tied to? >> >> I'm personally a fan of on lens filters. First of all, I shoot >> mixed formats and secondly the less bit-bending you have to do in >> post the better. Sure, you can apply gradients in post, recover >> highlights and even pull shadows up 14 stops, but in doing so you >> lose color fidelity, tonal gradients and end up pulling shadow >> noise up where it shouldn't be. With most digital files if you try >> to recover the shadow too much you see a nasty shadow transition as >> well as color shifts. Highlight recovery may also cause unusual >> color shifts at the extremes in exposure. >> >> But my approach isn't an either or, but not being afraid of using >> both techniques. Is there anything wrong with trying to get it >> right in-camera? Of course not--provided that it isn't a hardship >> to do so. >> >> Ag >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 2, 2010, Bob Whitmire >> wrote: >>> You just don't blow out the sky. You know the drill: expose for >>> the highlights, post process for the shadows. >>> >>> Of course I don't recall now if we were talking film or digital, >>> but if shooting digital, push that histogram all the way to the >>> right-- after experimentation to see when stuff really does start >>> getting blown out. It's my understanding that the histogram you >>> see on the back of the camera is generated from the in-camera >>> .jpg, and does not necessarily closely relate to the actual RAW >>> file. Without experimentation, it's not terribly reliable. I've >>> messed with the D3 enough now to pretty well tell when I've >>> pushed to the limit. There is an incredible amount of information >>> in those highlights that is recoverable with the proper >>> post-processing approach. >>> >>> And watch that "fake filter" talk, Bub. ACR's graduated >>> filter is no more fake than a piece of glass hung out in front of >>> your lens. It's just different. >>> >>> --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: >>> >>>>> If you use ACR, you've got a built-in grad filter that's >>>>> infinitely customizable. Add the gradient feature in >>>>> Photoshop and you can >> leave >>>>> the filters at home. Not necessary. >>>>> >>>> I'm having trouble understanding how this is suitable. If a sky >>>> is blown out, no amount of curves or fake filters can get info >>>> that was never there. >>>> >>>> Bill Pearce >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed >>> Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 01:58:31 2010 Received: (qmail 19321 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2010 23:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:58:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF37E1808F for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89FDE2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5864E47211 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47031E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31965 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jun 2010 23:58:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 01:58:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06f027209271234514069 Thanks much. Now I understand the lens listings and prices at KEH. 90/3.5 "KL L" with caps and Pro-S, SD adapter in EX condition is $235. 90/3.8 (slightly smaller aperture and no "KL L" designation and no caps) is $76. I also don't understand this Pro-S, SD adapter thingie although I believe Pro-S and SD are camera body model designations. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > The "native" RZ lenses have an electronic shutter controlled by the > RZ body. You can use RB lenses on an RZ body but not RZ lenses on an > RB body. > > I'm pretty sure the latest series of RB lenses (K/L) are optically > equivalent to the latest RZ lenses. > > Since the RB was released quite a while before the RZ the original RB > lenses (single coated) aren't rated as highly as RZ lenses. > > RZ is battery dependant, RB is not. > > ...Wayne > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> What's the fundamental difference between an RB and an RZ? I take >> it the RZ lenses are of later design with better coatings? Do RB >> lenses fit on RZ bodies and vice-versa? >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 02:04:51 2010 Received: (qmail 1284 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 00:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 00:04:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16695E180AD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BA8E2410B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E86CE4B229 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C77CE4720B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4173 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jun 2010 00:04:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 02:04:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06f1a3257692013633067 Sounds to me a whole lot easier just to connect any speaker you have kicking around the house. Chuck Norcutt James King wrote: > #include > #include > #include > > Amplifiers are current devices and they expect around an 8 ohm impedance > across their output terminals. > since V = IR 8 ohms is going to give a lot of current for a > particular voltage for even a small voltage across the load. > > A multimeter, in measuring volts mode, is going to have an impedance of > 40M ohms or more and this kind of load is going to draw almost no > current and therefore provide almost no voltage - it will look to the > amp like nothing is connected. > In current measuring mode the meter will have a very low impedance > <1ohm and this will draw too much current from the amp and blow > it/trigger the protection circuits. - you cant examine it this way. You > need to simulate a reasonable load and then measure that.... > > What you need is a dummy load or a pair of crappy speakers to test it out. > > if you can get an 8ohm resistor of around 25+ watts and connect it to > the speaker terminals of the amp. Then you can simulate a very well > behaved speaker. Then connect the volt meter in parallel to the resistor > and put it in volts measuring mode. > > Measure with the volume at minimum i.e. system noise should not be much > around 1mv or so > Beyond this its difficult to measure without a scope so that you can > "see the amp output" > You need a scope and a sine and square wave generator so you can "see" > what the amp is producing. (or a cd with known test signals or a pc > soundcard into the preamp and some software) > > Either way you need a realistic 8 ohm load before you can do any > measurements. > > > Good luck > James > > > > On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can answer >> a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. >> Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick >> up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. >> Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was also >> a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo >> but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the >> Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is a >> brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights >> on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the >> right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. >> How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? Is >> it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? >> >> Thanks, >> Charlie >> > > > > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 02:16:26 2010 Received: (qmail 15791 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146E9E180AA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AF2E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E032E4720B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A828E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.107]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 38416 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2010 00:16:16 -0000 Message-ID: <281479.37937.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mt3XTAUVM1lW7z7gGrXDaLiaHcVfAiH8GjwaLlMjOLw7atw trKBe5V2TOSagcRqrLvg0CsO7QdptlhmmEOrvV64fsMOUPXiln44NSknu3Ls Dbb0.s_yywvfsTZXiC0jpoOdrrh.k7qf_t3DuMate0BIkuzLu75TDJOFad6G ori2cfhJDpuvzzKpvQL.Tb1avRZPtQt8W1v9UJDwmQBas7fE_RMNfCK0TqTf x3hXmbcrZgWuS2UlujPeNA2bpxHhB88qg9wfgFocOL4XSmymVWAXi8mM1xLX EYb3WLMwBKvjOUBn2ceeAvKLwp19weOWpNc5Jd6nfepgqLb.BIXGPvwB04wb sl93NxV_SjWw7kEdTB951bELxMx6jyuRtRmw- Received: from [99.105.57.42] by web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 17:16:16 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C06EA85.8010201@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 02:16:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c06f45a148851258626592 Charles, = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 good idea to check that the D= C voltage across the speaker terminals, is well=A0less than 1V.=A0=A0 =A0 But,with nothing connected to speaker=A0terminals=A0you might still=A0get a= voltage, while the output capacitors charges, even though nothing is wrong. =A0 =A0I would connect=A0a dc voltmeter and check that the speaker=A0volatages= =A0are less than 1V with nothing connected. If there is a significant volta= ge I would leave voltmeter conected and *very briefly* connect a speaker to= charge any coupling capacitors. If the voltages do not drop then you have = a problem.=A0 If the voltage is low then connect up speakers properly=A0and= play your=A0favourite music , preferably piano or something with single no= tes whre you can here if there is distortion. =A0 I recently tried to sell a 200W Sony Amplifier in perfect condition on Crai= gslist.=A0 Although a=A0consumer product, this unit has a huge industrial s= ize power supply transformer and heatsinks and must weigh 30+ lbs.=A0=A0=A0= =A0 = =A0 I had no takers even at=A0 $30. = =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 --- On Wed, 6/2/10, James King wrote: From: James King Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:34 PM once you have a dummy load you prabably want to measure both DC and AC = voltage - ac for noise and DC because its bad news. A large DC offset = positive or negative is going to supply current to the voice coils of = the speaker and the speaker cone will not move because only an ac = current generates a moving magnetic field and a moving magnetic field = moves the cone. A large DC offset can fry the voice coils in the speaker = without you hearing anything... :-( On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: >=A0 =A0 Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can= answer > a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. > Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick > up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. > Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was al= so > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo > but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the > Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is= a > brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights > on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the > right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? = Is > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > Thanks, > Charlie >=A0 =A0 = Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 03:17:05 2010 Received: (qmail 3538 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 01:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 01:17:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FFFE18088 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25738E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227E3E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C910DE47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1801262gwb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.245.35 with SMTP id s35mr9718645anh.71.1275527816804; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.227.15 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:16:56 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT Mail clients, was Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 03:17:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c070291140051560218263 It sounds to me like Ken has gmail get his email from his other accounts, and only his gmail account is set up in Apple Mail. Whatever email client that is acting as the aggregator, which in Ken's case is gmail and yours is Apple's Mail app, can generally keep track of multiple accounts and reply accordingly. However, since Ken is adding one more POP/IMAP transfer after the aggregation, that account information gets lost and everything looks as if it came from the same account. I don't think that Ken's problem is Apple Mail specific, and I would expect that all email clients would work the same given the same setup. In order for Ken to be able to preserve the account information, he would have to set gmail to leave the other accounts' mail on their respective servers and then set up Apple Mail to also have all email accounts in it. The drawback to this solution is that since gmail uses POP to get the other accounts' mail, changes made to the other accounts on Apple Mail will not be reflected in gmail. Another possibility is that a rule to sort email into different accounts based on the To address or some other information could be set up in Mail to get around the problem. Though I have an iPod Touch, I haven't used the Mail client much and I don't know if it has such capabilities. Mark On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I don't think that that's true, Ken. =A0I might have misunderstood what y= ou want, but I have 8 email accounts on my iPhone's Mail app and replying t= o any email will send using the account to which the original email was add= ressed. =A0This email is a good example, although I have 12 email accounts = on my Macs. > > In addition, you can change the sending account before you send the messa= ge. > > Chris -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 04:06:59 2010 Received: (qmail 3810 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 02:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 02:06:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF873E180A9 for ; 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Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o532bpnu014846 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:37:52 +1000 Message-Id: <201006030237.o532bpnu014846@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:37:51 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:37:51 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 04:38:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07158877195034211378 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Thanks much. Now I understand the lens listings and prices at KEH. > 90/3.5 "KL L" with caps and Pro-S, SD adapter in EX condition is $235. > 90/3.8 (slightly smaller aperture and no "KL L" designation and no caps) > > is $76. > > I also don't understand this Pro-S, SD adapter thingie although I > believe Pro-S and SD are camera body model designations. > The Pro-SD body has a slightly different bayonet (part of the hole is larger) to accomodate the 75mm shift lens (and maybe others ?). All lenses for the Pro & Pro-S can be mounted on the Pro-SD body, the adapter I believe is just like a rubber "o" ring which makes it a bit easier to get the lens centred in the mount before locking it in place - you don't HAVE to have the adapter. The 75mm shift can't be mounted on the Pro or Pro-S body. There are 3 series of lenses for the RB: First - Mamiya-Sekor (single coated) Second - Mamiya-Sekor C (multi coated) Third - Mamiya-Sekor K/L (other improvements ?) The standard recommendation seems to be to get at least the "C" lenses. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 05:18:39 2010 Received: (qmail 25228 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 03:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 03:18:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836BE180AD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD018E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BDC34AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D10934AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o533IT3o022300 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:18:29 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o533ISrg011110 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:18:29 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9FC5A807D93A43259DFB68CFC5D91409@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <281479.37937.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:18:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 05:18:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c071f0f109182517112723 Most amplifiers built in the 70's has no output capacitor, I built a few power amplifiers around 1974, they are all OCL (Output Capacitor-Less). You can measure the output voltage without load, it should be less than 100mV. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hughes" Charles, good idea to check that the DC voltage across the speaker terminals, is well less than 1V. But,with nothing connected to speaker terminals you might still get a voltage, while the output capacitors charges, even though nothing is wrong. I would connect a dc voltmeter and check that the speaker volatages are less than 1V with nothing connected. If there is a significant voltage I would leave voltmeter conected and *very briefly* connect a speaker to charge any coupling capacitors. If the voltages do not drop then you have a problem. If the voltage is low then connect up speakers properly and play your favourite music , preferably piano or something with single notes whre you can here if there is distortion. I recently tried to sell a 200W Sony Amplifier in perfect condition on Craigslist. Although a consumer product, this unit has a huge industrial size power supply transformer and heatsinks and must weigh 30+ lbs. I had no takers even at $30. Tim Hughes --- On Wed, 6/2/10, James King wrote: From: James King Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:34 PM once you have a dummy load you prabably want to measure both DC and AC voltage - ac for noise and DC because its bad news. A large DC offset positive or negative is going to supply current to the voice coils of the speaker and the speaker cone will not move because only an ac current generates a moving magnetic field and a moving magnetic field moves the cone. A large DC offset can fry the voice coils in the speaker without you hearing anything... :-( On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can answer > a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. > Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for pick > up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. > Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was > also > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a Yugo > but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the > Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is > a > brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small lights > on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the > right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? > Is > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > Thanks, > Charlie > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 05:49:58 2010 Received: (qmail 17919 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 03:49:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28906E180BC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70112E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CB8E47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EC5E47207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o533nm7F024400 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:49:49 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o533nm3d019525 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:49:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:49:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 05:49:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c072666192776107113666 Audio amplifer is voltage amplifier not current amplifier you don't need to connect a load to measure the output voltage. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "James King" > #include > #include > #include > > Amplifiers are current devices and they expect around an 8 ohm impedance > across their output terminals. > since V = IR 8 ohms is going to give a lot of current for a > particular voltage for even a small voltage across the load. > > A multimeter, in measuring volts mode, is going to have an impedance of > 40M ohms or more and this kind of load is going to draw almost no > current and therefore provide almost no voltage - it will look to the > amp like nothing is connected. > In current measuring mode the meter will have a very low impedance > <1ohm and this will draw too much current from the amp and blow > it/trigger the protection circuits. - you cant examine it this way. You > need to simulate a reasonable load and then measure that.... > > What you need is a dummy load or a pair of crappy speakers to test it out. > > if you can get an 8ohm resistor of around 25+ watts and connect it to > the speaker terminals of the amp. Then you can simulate a very well > behaved speaker. Then connect the volt meter in parallel to the resistor > and put it in volts measuring mode. > > Measure with the volume at minimum i.e. system noise should not be much > around 1mv or so > Beyond this its difficult to measure without a scope so that you can > "see the amp output" > You need a scope and a sine and square wave generator so you can "see" > what the amp is producing. (or a cd with known test signals or a pc > soundcard into the preamp and some software) > > Either way you need a realistic 8 ohm load before you can do any > measurements. > > > Good luck > James > > > > On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can >> answer >> a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. >> Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for >> pick >> up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. >> Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was >> also >> a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a >> Yugo >> but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the >> Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is >> a >> brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small >> lights >> on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the >> right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. >> How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? >> Is >> it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? >> >> Thanks, >> Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 06:59:27 2010 Received: (qmail 29145 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 04:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 04:59:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA56E180A2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFB3E240E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CD1E47209 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F9CE47203 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so4565957wwb.20 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.205 with SMTP id c13mr8846042wbx.136.1275541156460; Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm65015451wbv.6.2010.06.02.21.59.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:59:14 +0100 Message-Id: <4F5DB449-7773-434B-AC14-B82FD3398C78@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT Mail clients, was Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 06:59:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0736af129081076813867 Thanks, Mark, that was what I thought that I might be missing :-) Yes, Mail has Rules, found in Preferences/Rules. Ken could use Rules to operate on messages meeting various criteria; one of those operations is to give the message title a colour in the list. Chris On 3 Jun 2010, at 02:16, Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: > It sounds to me like Ken has gmail get his email from his other > accounts, and only his gmail account is set up in Apple Mail. > Whatever email client that is acting as the aggregator, which in Ken's > case is gmail and yours is Apple's Mail app, can generally keep track > of multiple accounts and reply accordingly. However, since Ken is > adding one more POP/IMAP transfer after the aggregation, that account > information gets lost and everything looks as if it came from the same > account. I don't think that Ken's problem is Apple Mail specific, and > I would expect that all email clients would work the same given the > same setup. > > In order for Ken to be able to preserve the account information, he > would have to set gmail to leave the other accounts' mail on their > respective servers and then set up Apple Mail to also have all email > accounts in it. The drawback to this solution is that since gmail > uses POP to get the other accounts' mail, changes made to the other > accounts on Apple Mail will not be reflected in gmail. > > Another possibility is that a rule to sort email into different > accounts based on the To address or some other information could be > set up in Mail to get around the problem. Though I have an iPod > Touch, I haven't used the Mail client much and I don't know if it has > such capabilities. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 10:37:53 2010 Received: (qmail 24094 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 08:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 08:37:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89094E180C4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC030E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91F534AC028 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874E934AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OK5vr-0000JH-7K for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:37:43 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: <2AC4BFD46B6D4AF39BBE1C2368AAAD73@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsCHxDXT0vAmW4SEd+8AAAKlchBUgA2LZPw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100602-1, 02/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 10:37:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0769e136862517112723 Ho ho ho! Nicely spotted - but it's all down to the lens, wouldn't you say, Chris? ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] Sent: 02 June 2010 07:45 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn owman1.php -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 10:55:57 2010 Received: (qmail 29203 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 08:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 08:55:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18239E180CB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D74E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94A534AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B869634AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl06.gs02.gridserver.com (cl06.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:63363 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl06.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OK6DP-0005ml-PG for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:55:52 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 04:56:20 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic Thread-Index: AcsCHxDXT0vAmW4SEd+8AAAKlchBUgA2LZPwAAC20TQ= In-Reply-To: <2AC4BFD46B6D4AF39BBE1C2368AAAD73@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 10:55:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c076e1d302351073733319 Piers, Yep, definitely the lens! For those who don't know what Piers and I are talking about, he sold me the 40mm pancake lens that I have a few yrs ago when I lived in Santa Fe, and at a very nice price. Its my favorite OM lens, the one I reach for if I just want to carry the camera and one lens...that focal length is perfect for snapshots like this! Not too long, not too wide, and very nice bokeh. :) -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 6/3/10 4:37 AM, "Piers Hemy" wrote: > Ho ho ho! Nicely spotted - but it's all down to the lens, wouldn't you say, > Chris? > > ;-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] > Sent: 02 June 2010 07:45 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic > > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 11:30:36 2010 Received: (qmail 6756 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 09:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 09:30:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A75E1802B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060DFE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48C9E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68126E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1963710fxm.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:30:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.138 with SMTP id u10mr743621hbg.65.1275557427943; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.190.78 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:30:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Anyone interested in a zuiko 35-80? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 11:30:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07763b219785368819438 I have a zuiko 35-80 I simply don't use enough to justify keeping. My 35shift / 100mm combo is very nice for the way I'm travelling. So I wanted to offer it here first. It comes boxed, with hood & pouch. It is in very good condition except for a very faint straight cleaning mark at the edge of the front lens. I'ld like to ask 650 Euro + shipping. I didn't do any images yet, but I'll make some if there is interest. I'll miss this lens, but it should be used more :) Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 11:59:41 2010 Received: (qmail 1372 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 09:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 09:59:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67983E180AD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCA7E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEA4E4720D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DC7E47209 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:59:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 730 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:13:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <83844FBA-D124-4010-BE36-1B149A3C775A@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <201006022326.o52NQZYb020794@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:59:30 +0200 References: <201006022326.o52NQZYb020794@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 11:59:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c077d0d165121413256596 What?! "coated with something haze-like"? I have to agree here, Bill you are spewing complete rubbish - The RB lenses were often innovative designs that broke the mould of the typical Zeiss [Gauss, Planar, etc] designs. Even if you look at the humble old single-coated first-generation 127mm f/3.8 "standard" lens, it's an interesting optical formula (or, if it's not, it's not one I see every day, anyway) and the lens is actually superb in all respects, including maintaining contrast in contra-light situations. The later C-series lenses opened my eyes to how lenses can and should perform -always flawless. Some of them are ridiculously flare-proof, and the colour and contrast is superb. You can point even their (very) retrofocus wide-angle designs straight into the sub, they are far more flare-resistant than, say, my OM 24mm f/2.0 at any aperture. This stuff was not made for amateurs (like much of available 35mm equipment), they sit squarely performance-wise between the best of the 35mm lenses I have used, and the best modern large-format lenses (which, contrary to popular belief, are really on a whole different level to most 35mm and medium-format lenses). The only thing 35mm lenses generally have got going for them is absolute resolution (though not by much) but in all other respects, they lag behind the more expensive MF and LF lenses made for critical use. Dawid On 03 Jun 2010, at 1:26 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Sue Pearce wrote: >> >> The RB lenses were coated with something haze-like > > Absolute BS ! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:06:21 2010 Received: (qmail 5003 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:06:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67411E18084 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5303E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAADA34AC02B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E110134AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.806) for ; 03 Jun 2010 20:06:11 +1000 Message-ID: <100.60d204005e7c074c.014@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:56:46 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone interested in a zuiko 35-80? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:06:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c077e9d2275683411216 > I have a zuiko 35-80 I simply don't use enough to justify keeping. I'l take the hood but if the lens is no good to you then you might as well throw that in anyway :o) > I'll miss this lens, but it should be used more :) I can only promise the hood will get used more :-) Cheers Ian Manners Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent user -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:06:22 2010 Received: (qmail 3106 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:06:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C5E180DD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C17E2410D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A648C34AC02D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18BE34AC02B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.806) for ; 03 Jun 2010 20:06:11 +1000 Message-ID: <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:06:09 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:06:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c077e9e50275683411216 I'll add my 3 cents worth. First, check the power lead, fuses, and grab a multimeter to check the globes. If you have to open the pwr amp up to get to the globes then you might as well d/l the service manual and check the supply rails and the voltage to the globes. As already stated, check the output for DC voltage which will be indicative of major faults, doesnt matter if the o/p is decoupled via cap or not. Check the o/p for AC, preferably with a CRO but on the assumption not everyone has one, then a multimeter will do. This is to check for oscillations. I keep junk speakers I've picked up on the side of the road during hard waste rubbish day (Melbourne) for testing, no way are my Vifa's or home brews going anywere near anything to be fixed. I also have 2 x 4ohm 50w coil resistors, and 2 x 8ohm 50w coil resistors for load testing, as well as two old Speedy jug elements (whats a speedy jug ?). Cheers Ian Manners "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:10:58 2010 Received: (qmail 22957 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F97E18098 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDA8E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBAB34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4E234AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:10:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:10:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 743 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:10:47 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:10:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c077fb2224976789618724 On 01 Jun 2010, at 8:37 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Dawid Loubser > wrote: >> That is really gorgeous, Philippe. Many on the list will not like it, >> but I am a shallow DOF freak, especially when still-recognisable >> objects >> are rendered very much out-of-focus in juxtaposition to the in-focus >> subject. > > This seems rather binary, Dawid. You seem to be assuming that because > some people don't like shallow DOF as much as you, which is true, that > they won't like Philippe's image at all. That doesn't make sense to > me. I'm no "shallow DOF freak" but I like the photo very much. I didn't quite mean it like that, Joel - I just though this might be one of those "love it, or don't like it" images, knowing this group. If more of you love it, all the better for Philippe! > You're referring to focus by wire? In an AF system, this is perfectly > reasonable as a way to make moderately priced lenses. I don't care > how it does its job as long as it does it. In fact, without the > mechanical drag of a traditional focusing mechanism it is actually > easier to get precise focus with such a lens while using Live View. > There is no good reason to apply traditional manual focusing > assumptions to the operation of these lenses. Within the system as a > whole, they work very well. > > Just curious, but you HAVE actually used an Olympus digital SLR at > some point, haven't you? I have indeed, when I was still an avid Canon EOS shooter, my colleague and close friend bought into the Four Thirds system quite seriously, and we have had ample opportunity to get experience with each other's gear. I have experienced and seen the results of most of the nicer FourThirds lenses, including 7-14, 8, 9-18, 25/1.4, 35 macro, 50 macro, 12-60, 50-200, and some of the cheaper kit lenses. Also the E-510 and E-3 bodies. We spent ages doing comparison tests between systems :-) One of the first lenses he bought was the ZD 35mm Macro. No matter what you say, spinning a feedback-less focusing ring around 20 times to rack the lens out to 1:1 magnification is not cool. Nobody uses a focus ring to get Macro subjects in focus in anyway, I believe it's purely to set magnification, and then move the whole camera/lens combo for focus. So, from a usage and build quality point of view, this lens is terrible. But the optics are great. That's the price you pay for the world's cheapest really good Macro lens, I have no problem with that. Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically fantastic, but a cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it interesting that the OM system didn't per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:31:26 2010 Received: (qmail 31917 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:31:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5553E180C8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B10E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E122EE47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D77FE4720B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so272067fga.8 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 03:31:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.158.133 with SMTP id u5mr718716hbc.179.1275561078860; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 03:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.190.78 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:31:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <100.60d204005e7c074c.014@comkal.net> References: <100.60d204005e7c074c.014@comkal.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:31:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: zuiko To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Anyone interested in a zuiko 35-80? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:31:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07847e90191073733319 If you take the hood for 650 I'll trow in the lens for free :) Iwert 2010/6/3 Ian Manners : >> I have a zuiko 35-80 I simply don't use enough to justify keeping. > > I'l take the hood but if the lens is no good to you then you might > as well throw that in anyway :o) > >> I'll miss this lens, but it should be used more :) > > I can only promise the hood will get used more :-) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent user > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:46:29 2010 Received: (qmail 3313 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:46:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CF1E180B4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE38EE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFCA34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F8E34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o53AkJQE003361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:46:20 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:46:17 +1000 Message-ID: <007401cb0309$ffe4ba00$ffae2e00$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsDBGr+nAnfiFQrQMC3etit4WYFZAABV9QQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:46:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07880520312439112457 > as well as two old Speedy > jug elements (whats a speedy jug ?). > Interesting setup for making a cuppa ! What to you find is the best audio source material ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:51:51 2010 Received: (qmail 8455 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:51:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1F2E180AD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598CCE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50799E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2AE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o53ApfaU019819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:51:43 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:51:40 +1000 Message-ID: <007601cb030a$c0126b60$40374220$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsDBRMUWsjaChHhTHKW+lxgktDUlAABTDxA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:51:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c078947286607801554290 > > Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically > fantastic, but a > cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it interesting that the OM > system didn't > per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? > Check out the 35-70mm f3.5-4.8 (?) released for the OM-2000 ! It carries the Olympus name but it's not comparable with any OM Zuiko I've seen. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 12:53:45 2010 Received: (qmail 7753 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 10:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 10:53:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E50E180A4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F67E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B814EE47209 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440DBE47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OK83M-0002Ko-UA for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:53:37 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <2AC4BFD46B6D4AF39BBE1C2368AAAD73@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: <571E596AAC7C4356A186432C5026ED02@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsCHxDXT0vAmW4SEd+8AAAKlchBUgA2LZPwAAC20TQABAZ+AA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100602-1, 02/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 12:53:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0789b9170541234514069 And a tip of the hat to the lister who "insured" that a package deal on the auction site found a good home (or as it turned out, "homes"). Yes, Bill Barber, that is you! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] Sent: 03 June 2010 09:56 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic Piers, Yep, definitely the lens! For those who don't know what Piers and I are talking about, he sold me the 40mm pancake lens that I have a few yrs ago when I lived in Santa Fe, and at a very nice price. Its my favorite OM lens, the one I reach for if I just want to carry the camera and one lens...that focal length is perfect for snapshots like this! Not too long, not too wide, and very nice bokeh. :) -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 6/3/10 4:37 AM, "Piers Hemy" wrote: > Ho ho ho! Nicely spotted - but it's all down to the lens, wouldn't you > say, Chris? > > ;-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] > Sent: 02 June 2010 07:45 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic > > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopa > ges/sn > owman1.php > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 13:59:56 2010 Received: (qmail 7597 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 11:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 11:59:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F303EE180A0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18295E2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 04:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B35234AC02A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 04:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E9A34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 04:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 04:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.806) for ; 03 Jun 2010 21:59:48 +1000 Message-ID: <100.98b700003399074c.028@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:59:47 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <007401cb0309$ffe4ba00$ffae2e00$@com.au> References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> <007401cb0309$ffe4ba00$ffae2e00$@com.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 13:59:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07993b224251342116753 Hi Wayne, > > as well as two old Speedy > > jug elements (whats a speedy jug ?). > Interesting setup for making a cuppa ! > What to you find is the best audio source material ? Hawkwind played through a octal mosfet output stage in an AB arrangement with +/- 100v rails :-) Could do it in A Class mode but you lose far to much power in the drivers instead of the load. Cheers Ian Manners I'm a weird person in a normal chaotic world. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 14:11:50 2010 Received: (qmail 26302 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 12:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 12:11:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7570E18090 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814FE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB33E47209 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4210E47211 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so94779gwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr10576765ani.30.1275567097370; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:11:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <100.98b700003399074c.028@comkal.net> References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> <007401cb0309$ffe4ba00$ffae2e00$@com.au> <100.98b700003399074c.028@comkal.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:11:36 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: itemLtBixsII4V_xIBnFxojq3sM Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 14:11:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c079c06132371560218263 Unless you play really loud all the time! On 3 June 2010 13:59, Ian Manners wrote: > > > Could do it in A Class mode but you lose far to much > power in the drivers instead of the load. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 14:15:29 2010 Received: (qmail 30845 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 12:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 12:15:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98678E180A8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D31FE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECCD34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6624434AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.149]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3F008HMU19CH2B@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:15:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C079CD1.2070705@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:15:13 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 14:15:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c079ce1115221357919056 Very funny Chris. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > I shot this back in February with an Olympus OM-4T and 40mm f2 Zuiko. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/abandoned/photopages/sn > owman1.php > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 14:19:23 2010 Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B03E1808A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCECFE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DE134AC028 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B1134AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29991 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jun 2010 12:19:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100602-1, 06/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 14:19:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c079dcb166711234514069 Thanks. That helps a lot. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Thanks much. Now I understand the lens listings and prices at KEH. >> 90/3.5 "KL L" with caps and Pro-S, SD adapter in EX condition is $235. >> 90/3.8 (slightly smaller aperture and no "KL L" designation and no caps) >> >> is $76. >> >> I also don't understand this Pro-S, SD adapter thingie although I >> believe Pro-S and SD are camera body model designations. >> > > The Pro-SD body has a slightly different bayonet (part of the hole is larger) to accomodate the 75mm shift lens (and maybe others ?). All lenses for the Pro & Pro-S can be mounted on the Pro-SD body, the adapter I believe is just like a rubber "o" ring which makes it a bit easier to get the lens centred in the mount before locking it in place - you don't HAVE to have the adapter. The 75mm shift can't be mounted on the Pro or Pro-S body. > > There are 3 series of lenses for the RB: > > First - Mamiya-Sekor (single coated) > Second - Mamiya-Sekor C (multi coated) > Third - Mamiya-Sekor K/L (other improvements ?) > > The standard recommendation seems to be to get at least the "C" lenses. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 14:46:53 2010 Received: (qmail 6521 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 12:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 12:46:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56990E180A1 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6F0E2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B20F34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FA034AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.149]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3F0084JVHJM4A0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C07A42B.5040709@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:46:35 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> <007601cb030a$c0126b60$40374220$@com.au> In-reply-to: <007601cb030a$c0126b60$40374220$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 14:46:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07a43d298151946193717 I agree, same goes for the 70-210. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically >> fantastic, but a >> cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it interesting that the OM >> system didn't >> per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? >> > > Check out the 35-70mm f3.5-4.8 (?) released for the OM-2000 ! > > It carries the Olympus name but it's not comparable with any OM Zuiko I've > seen. > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 15:06:45 2010 Received: (qmail 23401 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 13:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 13:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7073E18095 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D86BE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797FB34AC02B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA0734AC029 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from epping.unh.edu (epping.unh.edu [132.177.136.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,354,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="9368790" Received: from mako.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.5]) by epping.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 03 Jun 2010 09:06:38 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.1.203]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:06:39 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:05:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: various Thread-Index: AcsDBfKbTvXYi4NZQMi06UFLu6WQ6QAFXGZg Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C880@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] various X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 15:06:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07a8e595233900897491 As mentioned re: audio amp - lots of good diagnostics given. You will need a line-level source to try it with, either a preamp or something that outputs preamp-level signal. An ipod headphone output would probably do it. That looks like a nice Technics amp, from the pics - definitely not a cheap unit! Worth fixing up, most certainly, and easily probably worth a a few hundred $ by itself. I am guessing it's not that common, most of the really high-end separates from back then never made it over here, or if they did it was in limited quantities compared to the mid-fi receivers and whatnot. RB vs RZ vs ??? RZ is lighter, can take RB lenses (but why bother unless you already have some - the RZ ones are generally better), the prism doesn't weigh 1.5kg (3+ lbs), more like 940g. Though it is chunky, I prefer it to the waist-level or other finders. I wish it wasn't a 30 degree angle but more straight-on though. The latest RZ (and likely RB) lenses are indeed great, with modern coatings and nice designs. While maybe not the absolute max resolution numbers that the best 35mm lenses put out, the 5x larger negative more than makes up for it. There are some not-so-great RZ lenses, but most are pretty good. Still, the Mamiya 7 lenses are basically all as good or better than the RZ glass, particularly the wides (biogon-style designs). OM 40/2: This is a nice lens, but so overpriced due to collector's market it's crazy. I had an as-new in-box copy, I used it very little and couldn't really justify keeping it. I recently sold it, hopefully the new owner enjoys it. I wish these were more common (and about $65 instead of $650), as they are pretty neat. OM 100/2 vs. 85/2 et al. I can see why one would part with a 135/2.8 and 85/2 for a 100/2. I know I would. I have an 85/2 but more often use the 90/2, which in someways is the best of all worlds in that range. Modern OM design, f/2, fantastic images, and 1:2 macro. The 100/2 might be a tiny bit better specs-wise at long distances, but the 90/2 is so versatile it more than makes up for it I think. 100/2s have been fetching some serious coin lately, the last few on ebay have been over $900, at least one was in the $1300 range I recall. -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 15:43:59 2010 Received: (qmail 16594 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 13:43:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 13:43:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6991E180C9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FCBE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B347E4720B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29D9E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so62540wyb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.144 with SMTP id u16mr1163446wee.74.1275572631424; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:43:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 15:43:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07b19f129171560218263 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > One of the first lenses he bought was the ZD 35mm Macro. No matter > what you say, > spinning a feedback-less focusing ring around 20 times to rack the > lens out > to 1:1 magnification is not cool. Nobody uses a focus ring to get > Macro subjects > in focus in anyway, I believe it's purely to set magnification, and > then move the > whole camera/lens combo for focus. So, from a usage and build quality > point of view, > this lens is terrible. But the optics are great. That's the price you > pay for the > world's cheapest really good Macro lens, I have no problem with that. I guess I need to borrow Paul's ZD 35 to see what you mean. Clearly I have misunderstood you and don't know how the lens actually works. My apologies! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 15:54:55 2010 Received: (qmail 14851 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 13:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 13:54:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CABE18094 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD59CE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B7C34AC029 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3C234AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1660401fga.8 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.79 with SMTP id l15mr720616hbg.97.1275573288708; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 15:54:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07b42f25662517112723 Thanks guys for your advice. It is a very nice piece of equipment and I have a set of speakers that will go nicely with it. I'm afraid however that this is above my pay grade so I will take it to a local electronic shop to have them check it out. What can I say; I was a Biology major, so unless it is pink, wet & wiggly it doesn't make sense to me. Thanks again. Charlie On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:16 PM, James King wrote: > #include > #include > #include > > Amplifiers are current devices and they expect around an 8 ohm impedance > across their output terminals. > since V = IR 8 ohms is going to give a lot of current for a > particular voltage for even a small voltage across the load. > > A multimeter, in measuring volts mode, is going to have an impedance of > 40M ohms or more and this kind of load is going to draw almost no > current and therefore provide almost no voltage - it will look to the > amp like nothing is connected. > In current measuring mode the meter will have a very low impedance > <1ohm and this will draw too much current from the amp and blow > it/trigger the protection circuits. - you cant examine it this way. You > need to simulate a reasonable load and then measure that.... > > What you need is a dummy load or a pair of crappy speakers to test it out. > > if you can get an 8ohm resistor of around 25+ watts and connect it to > the speaker terminals of the amp. Then you can simulate a very well > behaved speaker. Then connect the volt meter in parallel to the resistor > and put it in volts measuring mode. > > Measure with the volume at minimum i.e. system noise should not be much > around 1mv or so > Beyond this its difficult to measure without a scope so that you can > "see the amp output" > You need a scope and a sine and square wave generator so you can "see" > what the amp is producing. (or a cd with known test signals or a pc > soundcard into the preamp and some software) > > Either way you need a realistic 8 ohm load before you can do any > measurements. > > > Good luck > James > > > > On 02/06/2010 21:13, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > Given the vast experience of this group, I'm hoping one of you can > answer > > a question for me. Sunday evening I was bike riding in my neighborhood. > > Since Monday is trash day people start putting things to the road for > pick > > up. I noticed a pile of stereo gear at the curb and went to investigate. > > Picked up a Technics CD player and tape deck that work fine. There was > also > > a Technics SE-A50 Amplifier in mint condition. It weighs as much as a > Yugo > > but I managed to get it home. Alas, someone else had already taken the > > Preamp. This brings me to the question: when I power up the unit there is > a > > brief pause then a click (seems normal so far). There are two small > lights > > on the front; one for each channel. The left channel light glows but the > > right does not. If only the bulb is burned out then all is well and good. > > How could I simply test the unit to see if the right channel is working? > Is > > it safe to put a multimeter across the speaker terminals on the back? > > > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > > > > > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 16:13:57 2010 Received: (qmail 5683 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 14:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 14:13:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05C9E180B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED523E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDCA34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4B834AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100603141350.NNQN27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:13:50 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RSPu1e008233qdw02SPucs; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:23:54 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ePXe9Tl3LHH3s/ksLaVOdmwGbo2/bc7piQLRKKiuY3g= c=1 sm=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=M7pimKVuFUmbD31STUkA:9 a=CVmpJyev960HAMyxKQkA:7 a=HGXly_SjXG5PQAOUYG_5ofhWMMAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <68BC8F58EC94409595D1ECDEA00ED34A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <201006022326.o52NQZYb020794@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <83844FBA-D124-4010-BE36-1B149A3C775A@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:13:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 16:13:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07b8a5102401413256596 As I have said, in my nine or so years of daily use, about 70% in B&W, we found the lenses, probably the earliest versions, to be flare ridden and not too sharp. There was little to be gained over 35. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy > What?! "coated with something haze-like"? > > I have to agree here, Bill you are spewing complete rubbish - > > The RB lenses were often innovative designs that broke the mould of the > typical Zeiss [Gauss, Planar, etc] designs. Even if you look at the > humble > old single-coated first-generation 127mm f/3.8 "standard" lens, > it's an interesting optical formula (or, if it's not, it's not > one I see every day, anyway) and the lens is actually superb in > all respects, including maintaining contrast in contra-light > situations. > > The later C-series lenses opened my eyes to how lenses can and should > perform -always flawless. Some of them are ridiculously flare-proof, > and the colour and contrast is superb. You can point even their (very) > retrofocus wide-angle designs straight into the sub, they are far > more flare-resistant than, say, my OM 24mm f/2.0 at any aperture. > > This stuff was not made for amateurs (like much of available 35mm > equipment), > they sit squarely performance-wise between the best of the 35mm lenses > I have used, and the best modern large-format lenses (which, contrary > to popular belief, are really on a whole different level to most 35mm > and medium-format lenses). > > The only thing 35mm lenses generally have got going for them is absolute > resolution (though not by much) but in all other respects, they lag > behind > the more expensive MF and LF lenses made for critical use. > > Dawid > > > On 03 Jun 2010, at 1:26 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >>> Sue Pearce wrote: >>> >>> The RB lenses were coated with something haze-like >> >> Absolute BS ! > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2915 - Release Date: 06/03/10 06:25:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 16:17:40 2010 Received: (qmail 16369 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 14:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 14:17:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30E1E18089 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AE2E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C4D34AC02A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881C734AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:52612 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OKBEj-0005xW-WA for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:17:34 -0500 Message-ID: <4C07B977.9090101@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:17:27 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] OT Mail clients, was Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 16:17:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07b9849296789618724 If the webclient worked fine before why not continue to use it on the ipad, or did I miss something. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 16:24:21 2010 Received: (qmail 31399 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 14:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 14:24:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112F4E1809D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC45E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6533C34AC030 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432FA34AC028 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:61613 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OKBLD-0007qQ-PB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4C07BB07.7060603@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:24:07 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <4C06DB04.7090004@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C06DB04.7090004@chucknorcutt.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 16:24:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07bb15241961136683642 I am not sticking up for apple but USB will use up power and they make a big fuss about the battery lasting all day, but I also suspect it is because USB would allow tethering, modems etc which apple and/or the cellular companies would not like ;-). I would however guess that you could configure your pc as a wifi hotspot (very easy in windows vista 7 and osx) and then tether the computer to the iphone via bluetooth. On 03/06/2010 00:28, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Or perhaps Apple reads "Universal" as "not proprietary". > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 16:33:04 2010 Received: (qmail 24911 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 14:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 14:33:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69034E180AA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6A3E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ED834AC02B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD1734AC028 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:50252 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OKBTf-00023C-H0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4C07BD16.1060301@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:32:54 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C079CD1.2070705@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4C079CD1.2070705@verizon.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] FUNNY Snowman Pic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 16:33:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07bd2063291342116753 Chris, It always inspires me when I see any of your photos, thanks for sharing - love the dolls house series on FB too! IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 19:19:39 2010 Received: (qmail 10076 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 17:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 17:19:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E034EE180BB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317C8E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27201E4720D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:19:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9524E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so290923wwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.65 with SMTP id e1mr9735216wbt.76.1275585569978; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm2400232wbb.14.2010.06.03.10.19.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C07BB07.7060603@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:19:23 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <4C06DB04.7090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4C07BB07.7060603@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 19:19:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07e42b40136107113666 And you can connect with a USB to the Camera Connector: reading the description, this can give you either a SD slot or a USB port. Chris On 3 Jun 2010, at 15:24, SwissPace wrote: > I am not sticking up for apple but USB will use up power and they make > a big fuss about the battery lasting all day, but I also suspect it is > because USB would allow tethering, modems etc which apple and/or the > cellular companies would not like ;-). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 20:02:00 2010 Received: (qmail 7822 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 18:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 18:01:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC33FE1808D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8278E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47A5E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5383E47220 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so325928wwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.132 with SMTP id a4mr1505952wef.16.1275588112570; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 20:02:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c07ee1883431946193717 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > And you can connect with a USB to the Camera Connector: =A0reading the de= scription, this can give you either a SD slot or a USB port. Chris, Do you have a camera connector? I was curious about it. The camera connector would indeed create a USB port. It's not clear how versatile it is, however. I am awaiting mine, which is supposed to get here in the middle of the month, and maybe I can tell youse guys. It is possible that Apple didn't want to build it in but doesn't mind it as an add-on. I just hope it is useful for more than camera uploads. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 21:35:10 2010 Received: (qmail 6712 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 19:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 19:35:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C863E18095 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD40AE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1FAE4720B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A2DE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so358235gwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.245.27 with SMTP id s27mr11818304anh.53.1275593701277; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C07B977.9090101@picturepedia.org> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <0852DCB3-B842-4675-8B94-BC72A21E72A1@threeshoes.net> <4C07B977.9090101@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:35:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CjoDRcpTKbzhpCeVzbZdnO1zM8U Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT Mail clients, was Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 21:35:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0803ee271512439112457 Because the other iPad apps that use email want to link to the built in email app. On Thursday, June 3, 2010, SwissPace wrote: > If the webclient worked fine before why not continue to use it on the > ipad, or did I miss something. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 22:09:59 2010 Received: (qmail 14675 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 20:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 20:09:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5897CE180AA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B57E2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21B5E4721D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF26E47211 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:09:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:09:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-248-238.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.248.238]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 347 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:24:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <47304DD2-DDCF-422C-93D9-4F3B71386604@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:09:48 +0200 References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 22:09:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c080c17106661879814018 On 03 Jun 2010, at 3:43 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I guess I need to borrow Paul's ZD 35 to see what you mean. Clearly I > have misunderstood you and don't know how the lens actually works. My > apologies! > > Joel W. No problem, I'm also not an expert, these were just my experiences with the lens! And (mostly) the final image is all that matters! D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 22:55:34 2010 Received: (qmail 25095 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 20:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 20:55:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7686FE180A8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BCCE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D464AE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5802EE4720D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so431439wyb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.142 with SMTP id z14mr9913042wbi.195.1275598526713; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm3816712wba.3.2010.06.03.13.55.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:55:24 +0100 Message-Id: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 22:55:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0816c686401413256596 No, sorry, Joel, I don't have anything to do with the iPad. I saw one yesterday and I am tempted, but not yet ... Chris On 3 Jun 2010, at 19:01, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chris, > Do you have a camera connector? I was curious about it. > > The camera connector would indeed create a USB port. It's not clear > how versatile it is, however. I am awaiting mine, which is supposed > to get here in the middle of the month, and maybe I can tell youse > guys. It is possible that Apple didn't want to build it in but > doesn't mind it as an add-on. I just hope it is useful for more than > camera uploads. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 23:02:34 2010 Received: (qmail 1693 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 21:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 21:02:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D756E18095 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8426AE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8223934AC05A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D5834AC047 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so466348wwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.17 with SMTP id t17mr1616859wee.30.1275598945872; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47304DD2-DDCF-422C-93D9-4F3B71386604@solms.co.za> References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> <47304DD2-DDCF-422C-93D9-4F3B71386604@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 23:02:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08186a26511073733319 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > On 03 Jun 2010, at 3:43 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I guess I need to borrow Paul's ZD 35 to see what you mean. =A0Clearly I >> have misunderstood you and don't know how the lens actually works. =A0My >> apologies! >> >> Joel W. > > No problem, I'm also not an expert, these were just my experiences > with the lens! And (mostly) the final image is all that matters! > > D. Amen. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 3 23:33:22 2010 Received: (qmail 31819 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 21:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 21:33:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED708E180A6 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687B6E2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FD1E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2591BE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so380774iwn.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.176.75 with SMTP id bd11mr12822013ibb.22.1275600796534; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> References: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:33:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tzstfr89ntzj8hLk_eQRLxgbPug Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 3 23:33:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c081fa2206651342116753 You want one, Chris. Just do it. You really don't have anything planned for three or four days, do you? Btw, there are some apps aimed at pilots. Nice stuff. Btw the accelerometer is cool. Tells you g force from any angle. Everybody knows my penchant for ancient things, but I'll say that the Ipad was one of those things that I just instinctly knew was going to end up in my bag. I'm just thankful that I didn't have to buy it. But my wife is chomping at the bit now. I get the feeling that as soon as she is done with the final edit of the book and it goes to printing that she will reward herself with one. Btw, it looks like I'm safe through the end of the year and we are looking to create a position for me in the new company. That is fine and dandy, but the resume is out in force. AG ps. Is it too much to ask to have up, down, left, right buttons on the virtual keyboard? -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 01:48:49 2010 Received: (qmail 20618 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2010 23:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jun 2010 23:48:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B256DE180B4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555BE2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325B034AC055 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E447D34AC047 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o53NmUvX017036 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:48:30 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e4a.163d62c (43815) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC014-5c4a4c083f44c5; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:48:28 -0400 Received: from webmail-m038 (webmail-m038.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.221]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a4c083f44c5; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:48:20 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:48:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31793-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:48:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD18E61AB1B3E-1EC0-2253@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Mamiya vs. Hassy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 01:48:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c083f61206492013633067 I think even some of the Mamiya 645 lenses may be under-rated. I can't say I discern any "signature look" like the biting microcontrast of many Zeiss lenses but many have few vices. The M. 120 macro is very nice indeed and I have a couple large prints in a macro book from it that are superb. Perhaps even smoother bokeh than the "cream machine" CV125 Apo Lanthar. I remembered this comparison to the 120 mm Hassy --see below. At least they are smaller and less expensive --that is why I urged Mr. Michelberger at Mirex to persist in his efforts to fabricate a T-S adapter for Mamiya in OM mount. I have stalled in getting the M 35/2.8 to use on the adapter for pano's (even with tilt!) as the corners may be a bit soft and I have the nice Z. 35 shift--though it is SC version and can really flare a bunch. Mike a bit of age on this but FWIW: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/back-testing.shtml "There were some differences in contrast between lenses, but once these were normalized with adjustment curves, the differences in resolution were much smaller and possibly within the range of experimental error such as focusing. If I had to rank the lenses from good to best, they would be: Mamiya 120 Macro, Hasselblad 120 Macro, Apo Sironar HM 100, Hasselblad 50-110 Zoom. Based on these tests, I do not concur with Michael's earlier conjecture that the quality of the P45 captures would be lens-limited." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 02:06:15 2010 Received: (qmail 18868 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 00:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 00:06:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243FE18094 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F109E2410B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE13E47209 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169BEE4720D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o54060LD012800 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:06:00 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dda.a058f58 (37061) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB047-b2b84c08436194; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:05:56 -0400 Received: from webmail-m038 (webmail-m038.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.221]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME022-b2b84c08436194; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:05:53 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:05:53 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31793-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:05:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD190D509D1D6-1EC0-24B6@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 02:06:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c084377177811560218263 JH says: I agree, same goes for the 70-210. I remember what Moose said somewhere in the archives about this one---something to the effect that is has very even performance across apertures, never bad, but never really outstanding. It really is very light and small and perhaps vibration affects it a bunch on the long end. I remember bringing it on one trip and it seemed acceptable with a bean bag, but I haven't done any formal testing. It seems to sit home and Z 50-250 gets the call for the longer travel zoom. The70-210 developed zoom creep as well. I wonder if the build quality is up to the usual standards, but it didn't cost much either. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 04:52:40 2010 Received: (qmail 4885 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 02:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 02:52:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA66E18093 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9137E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49E3E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49870E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28291 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 02:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 02:52:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4C086A69.40604@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:52:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCD190D509D1D6-1EC0-24B6@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCD190D509D1D6-1EC0-24B6@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 04:52:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c086a78280341357919056 On 6/3/2010 5:05 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > I remember what Moose said somewhere in the archives about this one---something to the effect that is has very even performance across apertures, never bad, but never really outstanding. I guess you've drawn me out of my post retreat quiet. If I wrote something about that lens, which I don't recall, it would only be to repeat what's in Gary's lens tests. I've never seen, much less owned, either of the Cosina/Zuikos. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 04:57:45 2010 Received: (qmail 14856 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 02:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 02:57:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9A4E180B4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8E4E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C644934AC031 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6242134AC029 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1258 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 02:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 02:57:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4C086BA2.4040209@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:57:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 04:57:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c086ba984222517112723 On 6/3/2010 2:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > ps. Is it too much to ask to have up, down, left, right buttons on the virtual keyboard? > Yes. However, they might deign to let you have one arrow key that works for four directions using unshifted state and the Apple equivalents of shift, alt and control keys. That would be consistent with their single backspace/delete key. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 05:14:27 2010 Received: (qmail 21065 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 03:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 03:14:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55143E1802B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20A7E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E5E3610001 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D4034AC031 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19100 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 03:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 03:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:14:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 05:14:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c086f93241487801554290 On 5/25/2010 6:28 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > You are lucky, 5D II has very bad red channel noise, this one shot at ISO160 It's been years, so I don't remember details. I read someone who claimed that the intermediate ISOs on the 5D were noisier than the primary ones. So I checked, and it was true of mine, as well. So, 160 is noisier than 200, 320 noisier than 400, and so on. Since then, I've only used the one stop series starting with ISO 100. I have no idea whether the same might be true of the MkII, but it might be worth checking. > , try to convert it with PS red filter. There are lots of noise and artifacts everywhere, image is totally non usable: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_4865.JPG (4.5MB) > I disagree, at least for this particular image. The problem is easy enough to see. However, I don't like what the red filter does to the mural, so wouldn't want to use it there anyway, And it doesn't do anything of use to me on the rest of the buildings. If I use it judiciously on sky only, it does a nice job, with only a couple of areas of subtle mottling which are easily corrected. There is trouble in the couple of spots where the red channel is already blown in the brightest clouds, but that's an exposure/processing problem, not the fault of the filter process. It's also possible to get the sky effect using other tools after a straight B&W conversion. In the English idiom, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I can certainly see that there would be other sorts of image where the red channel problem would not be so easy to get around. Thanks for helping me resist the MKII. ;-) Moose > Shoot with Tamron SP 24-48. > > BTW, don't expect there will be any different at ISO100. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > > > >> Here are some samples, none of which make any difference in noise that I >> can see at full pixel. >> >> >> Moose >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 05:23:37 2010 Received: (qmail 13456 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 03:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 03:23:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70089E1808F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CD1E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0871E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB9FE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so606603wyb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:23:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.163.204 with SMTP id a54mr1747348wel.2.1275621810068; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:23:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 05:23:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0871b9138072439112457 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > ps. Is it too much to ask to have up, down, left, right buttons on the > virtual keyboard? Dude ... it's a touchscreen. Next you'll be wanting a mouse. Get with the program. Joel W. P.S. I hate having to go to the number screen to get an apostrophe when the autocorrect gets derailed. Methinks Chris will not approve that omission. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 05:44:25 2010 Received: (qmail 1560 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 03:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 03:44:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9CBE180C1 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A40FE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738153610004 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:44:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF043610003 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o543iCpM023974 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:44:12 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <5AAD541E0EE04795B828A03C8F019355@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com><42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:43:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 05:44:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0876997631073733319 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > On 5/25/2010 6:28 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> You are lucky, 5D II has very bad red channel noise, this one shot at >> ISO160 > > It's been years, so I don't remember details. I read someone who claimed > that the intermediate ISOs on the 5D were noisier than the primary ones. > So I checked, and it was true of mine, as well. So, 160 is noisier than > 200, 320 noisier than 400, and so on. Since then, I've only used the one > stop series starting with ISO 100. > > I have no idea whether the same might be true of the MkII, but it might > be worth checking. > Since discovered the pattern noies problem of 5D II, I have checked all low ISOs, don't see 100, 200, 400... are better than any intermediate ISOs. >> , try to convert it with PS red filter. There are lots of noise and >> artifacts everywhere, image is totally non usable: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_4865.JPG (4.5MB) >> > > I disagree, at least for this particular image. The problem is easy > enough to see. However, I don't like what the red filter does to the > mural, so wouldn't want to use it there anyway, And it doesn't do > anything of use to me on the rest of the buildings. If I use it > judiciously on sky only, it does a nice job, with only a couple of areas > of subtle mottling which are easily corrected. There is trouble in the > couple of spots where the red channel is already blown in the brightest > clouds, but that's an exposure/processing problem, not the fault of the > filter process. Here is another image at ISO 100. straightly converted from RAW with DPP, no sharpen and no NR. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2587.JPG The sky looks terrible with red filter under CS4 and there is no blown out red. > > It's also possible to get the sky effect using other tools after a > straight B&W conversion. In the English idiom, there's more than one way > to skin a cat. > I just wanted to point out that software filter does not always works. Of course you can always touch up the faulty parts but I prefer the save my time for other things. In this case I prefer a real glass filter. > I can certainly see that there would be other sorts of image where the > red channel problem would not be so easy to get around. > > Thanks for helping me resist the MKII. ;-) I had seriously thought about switching back to the original 5D but sometimes I really need liveview for critical focusing and 21MP is very useful for lens test. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 06:03:58 2010 Received: (qmail 17683 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 04:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 04:03:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D94EE1808B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D016E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390D6E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0020E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12813 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 04:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 04:03:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4C087B22.3020008@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:03:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3f1af.7257a450.3931dbd6@aol.com> <33113628-887D-4938-BEA3-D4A2FFEC53AD@threeshoes.net> <9C51BFD5-90B5-4DE7-A064-AC689BE71480@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <9C51BFD5-90B5-4DE7-A064-AC689BE71480@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] wahoo! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 06:03:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c087b2d52801413256596 On 5/29/2010 10:45 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > :-) > > To use the Delete key to delete forward, press the Fn key at the same time. I think that it was Moose who brought that to my attention, somehow. > Yes I think so. An Apple salesman pointed it out to me. It made perfect sense to him, of course, but not to my long trained fingers. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 06:41:31 2010 Received: (qmail 13056 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 04:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 04:41:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D34E18090 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89240E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD6534AC03A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA8334AC038 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.806) for ; 04 Jun 2010 14:41:18 +1000 Message-ID: <100.584a0d00e383084c.036@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:41:07 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: <4C06E649.70502@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <100.b0a70200917e074c.018@comkal.net> <007401cb0309$ffe4ba00$ffae2e00$@com.au> <100.98b700003399074c.028@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Amplifier Question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 06:41:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0883fb133081234514069 Hi Jez, > > Could do it in A Class mode but you lose far to much > > power in the drivers instead of the load. > Unless you play really loud all the time! With the kettle ontop of the A Class amp's heatsinks to help :-) Cheers Ian Manners B Gates, the worlds greatest salesman, who else has so many customers coming back for more broken products? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 06:43:20 2010 Received: (qmail 31938 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 04:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 04:43:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959A1E180AD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1557E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF994E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600A9E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19039 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 04:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 04:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4C088404.6080700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:41:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <736023F5-4743-4CB4-8F7E-88A7B257CCA3@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <736023F5-4743-4CB4-8F7E-88A7B257CCA3@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A tribute to Jacques Tati X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 06:43:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c088468110884877110844 On 6/1/2010 1:50 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > A mon ami Lluis, le Parisien de coeur. > > First the pipe > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Opera+Stylo-1000762-2.j= pg.html > = I'm not convinced. It's not just the pipe, it's the flair with which it = is held, horizontal, thrust forward. > Then the back > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Moules+au+Roquefort-100= 0764.jpg.html > = Yes! I recently got a copy of the color version of Jour de F=EAte. It was = originally shot in both B&W and color, some then new, odd process, but = the color didn't work out. Tati's daughter later revived the color = version. Very low key color, but a nice alternative, and a better copy = than the B&W one I had. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:15:41 2010 Received: (qmail 11025 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:15:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55668E1808E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABFCE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF304E47209 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFA6E4720B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28290 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 05:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 05:15:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4C088BF2.2060807@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:15:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCD0C46F8A093D-C10-2561@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCD0C46F8A093D-C10-2561@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:15:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c088bfd69967801554290 On 6/2/2010 4:42 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the comments. I'm leaning towards giving the grad ND filters a go for this trip ... Will prolly be 50% fim/digital. Moose will think I am nuts about the grad ND thing Not nuts ... unless, like me, you tend to consider that a compliment. ;-) It just doesn't make any sense from my perspective. If I have time to mess with getting out a Cokin filter set-up, I have time to set up a tripod and bracket the shot. Most digitals will automagically do brackets for you. Combine shots by masking along the horizon/whatever and you have the same thing. Then again, I've never used them split thingies, so who knows what I'm missing. I do have a fair numbers of filters of various sorts, including a Cokin (P?), but very seldom use them. I'm still of the opinion that the only ones really needed for digital color with proper technique are warming filters for high altitude and polarizer, but only for specular reflections and for "seeing through" reflective, transparent surfaces. Haven't used the ND in the G11 yet, either. > but I did just order a IGOTu for geo tag just like his--nice and tiny. Thanks again for the comments and links. > I keep forgetting the darn thing. Silly. Now I have Delorme Topo USA, which is supposed to be able to use it to locate one on a map and give turn by turn directions. Once they released the 64 bit driver, it does connect. It did find me in the front yard, but I've not tried anything more ambitious as yet. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:31:37 2010 Received: (qmail 12708 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:31:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6823EE180B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEC0E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACDDE6331A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E821DE47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so643465wyb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.85.68 with SMTP id t46mr1849721wee.75.1275629490251; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r35sm7087688wbv.23.2010.06.03.22.31.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:31:28 +0100 Message-Id: References: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:31:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c088fb910021879814018 Good, and good luck with the next job, Ken. Chris On 3 Jun 2010, at 22:33, Ken Norton wrote: > Btw, it looks like I'm safe through the end of the year and we are > looking to create a position for me in the new company. That is fine > and dandy, but the resume is out in force. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:33:21 2010 Received: (qmail 17394 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C653E180CA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F0DE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78734E47203 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA64E47207 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so672937wwb.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.82 with SMTP id v18mr5189771wbt.167.1275629592836; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm7130584wbd.13.2010.06.03.22.33.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:33:11 +0100 Message-Id: <8E1E0366-B86F-4416-8439-3056813729B8@threeshoes.net> References: <18F1ADE5-FAE7-45EC-8F65-C4C8509E49C6@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:33:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c089021151873900897491 Yes, I should prefer the apostrophe to be more readily available. But then it might reduce the incidence of the inappropriate "it's" ... ;-) Chris On 4 Jun 2010, at 04:23, Joel Wilcox wrote: > P.S. I hate having to go to the number screen to get an apostrophe > when the autocorrect gets derailed. Methinks Chris will not approve > that omission. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:33:21 2010 Received: (qmail 18145 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13B8E180C8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC69E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5940F34AC03B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61A534AC038 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17679 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 05:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 05:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:31:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:33:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c089021178201234514069 On 6/3/2010 3:10 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > [BIG snip]. > Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically fantastic, but a cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it interesting that the OM system didn't per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? > I'm always curious about the "piece of junk" epithet about this lens. It seems to me to be better suited for some users than a more sturdily made lens. What are your criteria? Mine are: 1. Excellent images. And it scores here. 2. Reliability. OK, so it's plastic, and rattles. Still, for an amateur like me, it's the same as new a year or two later, and it's mostly in the bag with me. I don't use it often, but when I do, its done the job so far. For heavier duty use, harsh treatment or conditions, sure, use a pro lens. But practically, even if it eventually gets broken, it's so cheap a replacement is no big deal (and I won't need to buy the hood again). 3. There when I need it. It's tiny and weighs nothing, so I usually have it with me. If I had the serious 50/1.4, I'd have it along less often, as it wouldn't fit where the 1.8 does and would add weight to the kit. I'm not interested in finding a bigger bag or leaving another lens home. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:37:19 2010 Received: (qmail 22329 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:37:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36568E180AB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC17E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A8434AC031 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA9834AC03C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o545bDSo025264 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:37:13 +1000 Message-Id: <201006040537.o545bDSo025264@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:37:13 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:37:13 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:37:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08910f143221950411718 > Moose wrote: > > However, they might deign to let you have one arrow key that works for > four directions using unshifted state and the Apple equivalents of > shift, alt and control keys. > > That would be consistent with their single backspace/delete key. > ...or perhaps a single arrow key and you can rotate the whole device to get the other directions. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:42:43 2010 Received: (qmail 5984 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:42:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED20E180A0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9FEE240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40EA34AC03B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F9734AC03A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o545gaVK006386 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:42:36 +1000 Message-Id: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:42:36 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:42:36 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:42:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c089253118951946193717 > Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > P.S. I hate having to go to the number screen to get an apostrophe > when the autocorrect gets derailed. Methinks Chris will not approve > that omission. > -- Pretty s'oon nobody will use apostroffe's anyhow ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 07:46:08 2010 Received: (qmail 11430 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 05:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 05:46:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B21E180C8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A140E240E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A0334AC031 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696433610001 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14989 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2010 05:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 05:45:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4C01AAE5.7050404@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:45:57 +0200 Message-Id: <4F058752-98B4-4B1E-98AC-C10F885D2B97@frozenlight.eu> References: <4C01AAE5.7050404@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] SW USA images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 07:46:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0893204222517112723 I love the landscapes in all of them, and the colors in the 4th image. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 30, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Russ Butler wrote: > My wife and I just returned from a cross country car trip. Here are a > few shots from NM, AZ, and Utah. I hope you find some of them pleasing. > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-NM-J/slides/10D25R-21.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-NM-J/slides/10E22-18.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-AZ-J/slides/10D26-06.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-AZ-J/slides/10D26-17.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-AZ-J/slides/10E11-19.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-UT-J/slides/10D29-06.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-UT-J/slides/10D29-15.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-UT-J/slides/10D29-23.html > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/10/Apr10-UT-J/slides/10D30a-13.html > > I used an 18/3.5 for all except the first and sixth which were made with > a Kiron 28-105 at 28. I thought the newly acquired 18/3.5 was just too > wide but it turned out to be very handy for me in the "wide" West. > > (details: OM-4T; Fuji superia 400 print film scanned raw on a V700; > edited with Photoline, ImageMagick and NeatImage.) > > > Thanks, > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 10:24:44 2010 Received: (qmail 6752 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 08:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 08:24:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E471E180BA for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B583FE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95F6E4720B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8BE47209 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4372 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jun 2010 08:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 08:24:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4C08B83D.3060601@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:24:29 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Ninja, or news of Andrew's Macro 35 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 10:24:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08b84c185521744846740 On 5/31/2010 2:19 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > I bought Andrew's 35 macro last fall as a replacement for Alice's that had been stolen, and never took time to use either myself until two weeks ago. > Here is a take on the L1 that proves my satisfaction. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219715-1/Ninja-1000440.jpg > Love it! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 10:40:20 2010 Received: (qmail 11302 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 08:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 08:40:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3436E180A7 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4137BE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09C2E53298 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B67E47209 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com (mail-yw0-f186.google.com [209.85.211.186]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so701682ywh.32 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:40:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.11.22 with SMTP id o22mr11785710ani.159.1275640806191; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:40:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C07BB07.7060603@picturepedia.org> References: <8CCCFF65DC4F8ED-1C20-5E20@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <3E6C6A99-A635-4E58-AFF4-96D0DB9BE7FC@roadrunner.com> <5C1A9D16-BCA8-43C6-82D5-1065BCE0A88C@threeshoes.net> <4C06DB04.7090004@chucknorcutt.com> <4C07BB07.7060603@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:40:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nBToU4bBYq-koNay6UgkXZEwP1g Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 10:40:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08bbf4171612013633067 The US cellular companies are wising up and starting tiered pricing plans like the r-o-w, so on the contrary - the more you use it the happier they'll be! Jez On 3 June 2010 16:24, SwissPace wrote: > I also suspect it is because USB would allow tethering, modems etc which > apple and/or the > cellular companies would not like ;-). > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 12:39:37 2010 Received: (qmail 2622 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 10:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 10:39:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C4FE180BF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25539E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E0F34AC02E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CF834AC02D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:39:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o54AdRbh028707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:39:28 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C880@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C880@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:39:24 +1000 Message-ID: <008301cb03d2$342fbb70$9c8f3250$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsDBfKbTvXYi4NZQMi06UFLu6WQ6QAFXGZgAC2nqMA= Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] various X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 12:39:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08d7e9143269730998309 > > RZ is lighter, can take RB lenses (but why bother unless you already > have some - the RZ ones are generally better), the prism doesn't weigh > 1.5kg (3+ lbs), more like 940g. Though it is chunky, I prefer it to the > waist-level or other finders. I wish it wasn't a 30 degree angle but > more straight-on though. > Yeah, it doesn't weigh 1.5kg, mine weighs in at 1065gm ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 14:22:41 2010 Received: (qmail 31944 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 12:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 12:22:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E2EE180C4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEC1E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D6134AC02B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B43B34AC02A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7374 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 12:22:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 12:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:22:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100604-0, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 14:22:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08f01176176789618724 I'm not sure I agree about noise. If I use ACR to do the B&W conversion of this JPEG image and set red at maximum and all other colors at minimum what I see at 100% is a highly pixellated image in the sky. I can remove the pixellation with the ACR noise control. However, after backing down to lower magnification what I see is posterization, not noise. Adding back some blue eliminates the posterization. I think maybe the single channel (at least as a JPEG) doesn't have the tonal differences to create a smooth looking image. Maybe the raw file done this way would be different? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > On 5/25/2010 6:28 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> You are lucky, 5D II has very bad red channel noise, this one shot at ISO160 > > It's been years, so I don't remember details. I read someone who claimed > that the intermediate ISOs on the 5D were noisier than the primary ones. > So I checked, and it was true of mine, as well. So, 160 is noisier than > 200, 320 noisier than 400, and so on. Since then, I've only used the one > stop series starting with ISO 100. > > I have no idea whether the same might be true of the MkII, but it might > be worth checking. > >> , try to convert it with PS red filter. There are lots of noise and artifacts everywhere, image is totally non usable: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_4865.JPG (4.5MB) >> > > I disagree, at least for this particular image. The problem is easy > enough to see. However, I don't like what the red filter does to the > mural, so wouldn't want to use it there anyway, And it doesn't do > anything of use to me on the rest of the buildings. If I use it > judiciously on sky only, it does a nice job, with only a couple of areas > of subtle mottling which are easily corrected. There is trouble in the > couple of spots where the red channel is already blown in the brightest > clouds, but that's an exposure/processing problem, not the fault of the > filter process. > > It's also possible to get the sky effect using other tools after a > straight B&W conversion. In the English idiom, there's more than one way > to skin a cat. > > I can certainly see that there would be other sorts of image where the > red channel problem would not be so easy to get around. > > Thanks for helping me resist the MKII. ;-) > > Moose > >> Shoot with Tamron SP 24-48. >> >> BTW, don't expect there will be any different at ISO100. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >> >> >>> Here are some samples, none of which make any difference in noise that I >>> can see at full pixel. >>> >>> >>> Moose >>> >>> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 14:25:59 2010 Received: (qmail 32678 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 12:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 12:25:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1F9E180B6 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1568E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF40E5329A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A82E53299 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9589 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 12:25:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 12:25:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:25:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100604-0, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 14:25:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c08f0d779461879814018 I think I misunderstood. I thought you were attempting a B&W conversion. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm not sure I agree about noise. If I use ACR to do the B&W conversion > of this JPEG image and set red at maximum and all other colors at > minimum what I see at 100% is a highly pixellated image in the sky. I > can remove the pixellation with the ACR noise control. However, after > backing down to lower magnification what I see is posterization, not > noise. Adding back some blue eliminates the posterization. I think > maybe the single channel (at least as a JPEG) doesn't have the tonal > differences to create a smooth looking image. Maybe the raw file done > this way would be different? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Moose wrote: >> On 5/25/2010 6:28 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >>> You are lucky, 5D II has very bad red channel noise, this one shot at >>> ISO160 >> >> It's been years, so I don't remember details. I read someone who >> claimed that the intermediate ISOs on the 5D were noisier than the >> primary ones. So I checked, and it was true of mine, as well. So, 160 >> is noisier than 200, 320 noisier than 400, and so on. Since then, I've >> only used the one stop series starting with ISO 100. >> >> I have no idea whether the same might be true of the MkII, but it >> might be worth checking. >> >>> , try to convert it with PS red filter. There are lots of noise and >>> artifacts everywhere, image is totally non usable: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_4865.JPG (4.5MB) >>> >> >> I disagree, at least for this particular image. The problem is easy >> enough to see. However, I don't like what the red filter does to the >> mural, so wouldn't want to use it there anyway, And it doesn't do >> anything of use to me on the rest of the buildings. If I use it >> judiciously on sky only, it does a nice job, with only a couple of >> areas of subtle mottling which are easily corrected. There is trouble >> in the couple of spots where the red channel is already blown in the >> brightest clouds, but that's an exposure/processing problem, not the >> fault of the filter process. >> >> It's also possible to get the sky effect using other tools after a >> straight B&W conversion. In the English idiom, there's more than one >> way to skin a cat. >> >> I can certainly see that there would be other sorts of image where the >> red channel problem would not be so easy to get around. >> >> Thanks for helping me resist the MKII. ;-) >> >> Moose >> >>> Shoot with Tamron SP 24-48. >>> >>> BTW, don't expect there will be any different at ISO100. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Moose" >>> >>> >>> >>>> Here are some samples, none of which make any difference in noise >>>> that I >>>> can see at full pixel. >>>> >>>> >>>> Moose >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 15:30:29 2010 Received: (qmail 7658 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 13:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so999393iwn.20 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.124.77 with SMTP id t13mr831882ibr.175.1275658554954; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:35:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:35:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7O5QBs02kDW46y3tfX9sU1p1cz0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 15:36:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c090141214361234514069 I don't understand something. How can we have three 5D owners not agree about noise patterns in their cameras? AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 15:44:03 2010 Received: (qmail 19861 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 13:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 13:44:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28CDE180B4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7492E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E86E4720B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9354FE47209 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1007782iwn.20 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.184.167 with SMTP id ck39mr834068ibb.156.1275659036984; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C088BF2.2060807@gmail.com> References: <8CCD0C46F8A093D-C10-2561@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> <4C088BF2.2060807@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:43:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Axd-XZzv-ZKTd-C7vwix5omFV9E Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 15:44:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c090323104921234514069 I think we overlooked something in mike's post. He's going to be shooting 50% film. Having a decent of nd grads is a requirement. BTW, I'm not a fan of cokin filters in this case because they have a non-linear color shift. Mr Ken rockwell has a nice writeup on nd grads and I fully agree with his recommendations. Like me, he's a little off his rocker, but in this case he's dead on. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 16:02:54 2010 Received: (qmail 20073 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98133E180BC for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E72AE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E37E4720B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E096E47209 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o54E2hp8002592 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:02:44 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN><4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:02:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 16:02:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09078e157561076813867 Yes, we were talking about B&W conversion with red filter. I agree it is not only noise but posterization (as mentioned in my previous email), the question is do we see the same problem with real glass filter? Are digital filters able to replace the traditional one in B&W processing? C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I think I misunderstood. I thought you were attempting a B&W conversion. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I'm not sure I agree about noise. If I use ACR to do the B&W conversion >> of this JPEG image and set red at maximum and all other colors at >> minimum what I see at 100% is a highly pixellated image in the sky. I >> can remove the pixellation with the ACR noise control. However, after >> backing down to lower magnification what I see is posterization, not >> noise. Adding back some blue eliminates the posterization. I think >> maybe the single channel (at least as a JPEG) doesn't have the tonal >> differences to create a smooth looking image. Maybe the raw file done >> this way would be different? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Moose wrote: >>> On 5/25/2010 6:28 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> You are lucky, 5D II has very bad red channel noise, this one shot at >>>> ISO160 >>> >>> It's been years, so I don't remember details. I read someone who >>> claimed that the intermediate ISOs on the 5D were noisier than the >>> primary ones. So I checked, and it was true of mine, as well. So, 160 >>> is noisier than 200, 320 noisier than 400, and so on. Since then, I've >>> only used the one stop series starting with ISO 100. >>> >>> I have no idea whether the same might be true of the MkII, but it >>> might be worth checking. >>> >>>> , try to convert it with PS red filter. There are lots of noise and >>>> artifacts everywhere, image is totally non usable: >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_4865.JPG (4.5MB) >>>> >>> >>> I disagree, at least for this particular image. The problem is easy >>> enough to see. However, I don't like what the red filter does to the >>> mural, so wouldn't want to use it there anyway, And it doesn't do >>> anything of use to me on the rest of the buildings. If I use it >>> judiciously on sky only, it does a nice job, with only a couple of >>> areas of subtle mottling which are easily corrected. There is trouble >>> in the couple of spots where the red channel is already blown in the >>> brightest clouds, but that's an exposure/processing problem, not the >>> fault of the filter process. >>> >>> It's also possible to get the sky effect using other tools after a >>> straight B&W conversion. In the English idiom, there's more than one >>> way to skin a cat. >>> >>> I can certainly see that there would be other sorts of image where the >>> red channel problem would not be so easy to get around. >>> >>> Thanks for helping me resist the MKII. ;-) >>> >>> Moose >>> >>>> Shoot with Tamron SP 24-48. >>>> >>>> BTW, don't expect there will be any different at ISO100. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Moose" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Here are some samples, none of which make any difference in noise >>>>> that I >>>>> can see at full pixel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 16:35:57 2010 Received: (qmail 27648 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 14:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 14:35:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A39E180A8 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C99E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE37334AC02D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7465734AC029 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1061352iwn.20 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.176.74 with SMTP id bd10mr13741078ibb.38.1275662149754; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com> <4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:35:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: P5FiExQW7kiF4zQdn4CBXkFtLCE Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 16:35:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c090f4d177459752976205 >From my testing, I'd say that red filter conversion on a digital will result in better pictures than a glass filter digital shot. However, what I'm seeing is that a hybrid approach might beat both methods. An orange filter knocks out the blue sensors in the camera but leaves the data from the red and green sensors intact. In post, apply further filtration to knock the green portion out. Lots of further testing required. Meanwhile film still rules. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 17:28:50 2010 Received: (qmail 4478 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 15:28:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E04E18091 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F04E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39203E4720D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B36E53298 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22798 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 15:28:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 17:43:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c091f2d45681744846740 CH was complaining about his 5D Mk II, not his original 5D. Moose and I are still with the 5D. I did not see the noise that CH and Moose say they can see. At 100% magnification I see pixelization in CH's image which ACR's noise control can eliminate. Whether the pixelization is dispensed with or not I see posterization (but not noise) after reducing the size to about 50% or less and after turning off every color except pure red in ACR's B&W converter. If I have only pure red available in a JPEG image I have (at most) 256 shades of gray. That to me is the probable source of the posterization although there are never more than 256 shades of gray in a B&W JPEG. Perhaps the Bayer pattern is a problem if all the blue and green pixels are totally eliminated? If I return blue to the halfway point the posterization goes away. Actually, after mentioning "half way point" I realized that perhaps I'm the problem. The half way point is zero. In turning the red channel to +100% and everything else to -100% perhaps I've boosted half of the red pixels to the point of being blown out. I've never much paid attention to what the scales on those sliders actually mean. Just push them around until I get something I like. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I don't understand something. How can we have three 5D owners not > agree about noise patterns in their cameras? > > AG > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 18:11:48 2010 Received: (qmail 14327 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEBFE18087 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F27E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECBE34AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06EF34AC02E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o54GBIk4029734 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 00:11:19 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <33178625490D488EACDFD73DED4C4500@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com><4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> <4C091F23.6050609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 00:11:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 18:11:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0925c4421879814018 Here is the default Red Filter in CS4: Reds 120% Yellows 110% Greens -10% Cyans -50% Blues 0% Magentas 120% Result: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2587_BW_Red.jpg Here is the default B/W Filter in CS4 Reds 40% Yellows 60% Greens 40% Cyans 60% Blues 20% Magentas 80% Result: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2587_BW.jpg Actually, similar problem happen on 10D and 40D too, it could be the problem of CS4. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > CH was complaining about his 5D Mk II, not his original 5D. Moose and I > are still with the 5D. I did not see the noise that CH and Moose say > they can see. At 100% magnification I see pixelization in CH's image > which ACR's noise control can eliminate. Whether the pixelization is > dispensed with or not I see posterization (but not noise) after reducing > the size to about 50% or less and after turning off every color except > pure red in ACR's B&W converter. If I have only pure red available in a > JPEG image I have (at most) 256 shades of gray. That to me is the > probable source of the posterization although there are never more than > 256 shades of gray in a B&W JPEG. Perhaps the Bayer pattern is a > problem if all the blue and green pixels are totally eliminated? If I > return blue to the halfway point the posterization goes away. > > Actually, after mentioning "half way point" I realized that perhaps I'm > the problem. The half way point is zero. In turning the red channel to > +100% and everything else to -100% perhaps I've boosted half of the red > pixels to the point of being blown out. I've never much paid attention > to what the scales on those sliders actually mean. Just push them > around until I get something I like. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Ken Norton wrote: >> I don't understand something. How can we have three 5D owners not >> agree about noise patterns in their cameras? >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 20:20:14 2010 Received: (qmail 6070 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 18:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 18:20:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647FAE1802B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EE0E2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F47934AC02B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED91134AC037 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2307.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A7E770000A2; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2307.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74B5C700009B; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:20:01 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100604182001478.74B5C700009B@msfrf2307.sfr.fr Message-Id: <0ADE4E1E-BB7C-4AC7-AF6B-CBDCA6424A42@sfr.fr> From: philippe.amard To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:20:01 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: Listening ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 20:20:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0943de270711234514069 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/Tirez-1000724.jpg.html Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 20:24:08 2010 Received: (qmail 2572 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 20:24:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0944c8170576789618724 I thought of Nathan when I saw this, don't mistake me though :-) http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Playground/Men+2-1000756.jpg.html Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 20:26:27 2010 Received: (qmail 5727 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 18:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 18:26:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8BBE1808E for ; 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Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:26:19 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100604182619762.BA15570000A2@msfrf2307.sfr.fr Message-Id: <83EBE509-9B1F-49A3-BBA2-67049DDB1EC2@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C08B83D.3060601@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:26:19 +0200 References: <4C08B83D.3060601@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Ninja, or news of Andrew's Macro 35 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 20:26:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09455390201234514069 Thanks Moose. Bien amicalement de Metz Philippe Le 4 juin 10 =E0 10:24, Moose a =E9crit : > > On 5/31/2010 2:19 AM, philippe.amard wrote: >> I bought Andrew's 35 macro last fall as a replacement for Alice's = >> that had been stolen, and never took time to use either myself = >> until two weeks ago. >> Here is a take on the L1 that proves my satisfaction. >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/219715-1/Ninja-1000440.jpg >> > > Love it! > > Moose > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 21:16:34 2010 Received: (qmail 16730 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 19:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 19:16:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73806E180A8 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8739FE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84709E4720D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E65E47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o54JGKwn008569 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:16:21 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dce.942945f (34909) for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-d4304c0950fc33d; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0400 Received: from webmail-m090 (webmail-m090.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.205]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD027-d4304c0950fc33d; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:16:12 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:16:11 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.205) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:16:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD231875C5CEF-1088-5566@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 21:16:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c095112214462517112723 I think we overlooked something in mike's post. He's going to be shooting 50% film. Having a decent of nd grads is a requirement. BTW, I'm not a fan of cokin filters in this case because they have a non-linear color shift. Mr Ken rockwell has a nice writeup on nd grads and I fully agree with his recommendations. Like me, he's a little off his rocker, but in this case he's dead on. AG Thanks for commenting. Yes the 4T and 2 or 2N will see significant use on this trip. I trust you endorsing his general use of the ND grads but not clear as to his choice of technique. He only uses the screw -on MC variant with the transition dead center. Do you recommend that? The Singh ray resin Cokin P ones seem to enjoy a good reputation with no color cast. http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/grads.htm A mostly off center Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 21:23:17 2010 Received: (qmail 15929 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 19:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 19:23:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B5DE180CB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B1FE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6363934AC03D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9CE34AC04B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-yw0-f200.google.com (mail-yw0-f200.google.com [209.85.211.200]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh38 with SMTP id 38so1451310ywh.23 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.234.26 with SMTP id g26mr13020496anh.244.1275679375238; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CCD231875C5CEF-1088-5566@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCD231875C5CEF-1088-5566@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:22:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xT0utOcXEgB3ATBO45C9q-2KzU4 Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which Grad ND system if any do you like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 21:23:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0952a5101852013633067 The "pros" I have met like LEE filters... http://www.leefilters.com/camera/products/range/ref:I46CBFA52C2868/ br Jez > > I trust you endorsing his general use of the ND grads but not clear > as to his choice of technique. > He only uses the screw -on MC variant with the transition dead center. > Do you recommend that? The Singh ray resin Cokin P ones seem to > enjoy a good reputation with no color cast. > > http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/grads.htm > > A mostly off center Mike > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 21:57:09 2010 Received: (qmail 16688 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 19:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 19:57:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B246E180B5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206DCE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC1FE4720B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991BCE47211 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7512 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 21:57:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c095a9518942517112723 The first thing that gets my attention in the red filter is that there are values of more than 100% while the B/W filter's values are all less than 100%. In particular, in the red filter the red and magenta are at 120% and the yellow at 110%. Does this mean that any red pixel is multiplied by 1.2? I don't know exactly what it means but if it does mean multiply pixel values by 1.2 then any pixel of 213 or higher will create a blown pixel. I note that the B/W filter with values all less than 100% produced a good looking image without noise or pixelation. Perhaps if the red filter's values were divided by 1.2 you'd get proportional numbers without causing blown highlights. That would give values of: > Reds 100% > Yellows 92% > Greens -8% > Cyans -42% > Blues 0% > Magentas 100% Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Here is the default Red Filter in CS4: > > Reds 120% > Yellows 110% > Greens -10% > Cyans -50% > Blues 0% > Magentas 120% > > Result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2587_BW_Red.jpg > > Here is the default B/W Filter in CS4 > > Reds 40% > Yellows 60% > Greens 40% > Cyans 60% > Blues 20% > Magentas 80% > > Result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2587_BW.jpg > > Actually, similar problem happen on 10D and 40D too, it could be the problem > of CS4. > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> CH was complaining about his 5D Mk II, not his original 5D. Moose and I >> are still with the 5D. I did not see the noise that CH and Moose say >> they can see. At 100% magnification I see pixelization in CH's image >> which ACR's noise control can eliminate. Whether the pixelization is >> dispensed with or not I see posterization (but not noise) after reducing >> the size to about 50% or less and after turning off every color except >> pure red in ACR's B&W converter. If I have only pure red available in a >> JPEG image I have (at most) 256 shades of gray. That to me is the >> probable source of the posterization although there are never more than >> 256 shades of gray in a B&W JPEG. Perhaps the Bayer pattern is a >> problem if all the blue and green pixels are totally eliminated? If I >> return blue to the halfway point the posterization goes away. >> >> Actually, after mentioning "half way point" I realized that perhaps I'm >> the problem. The half way point is zero. In turning the red channel to >> +100% and everything else to -100% perhaps I've boosted half of the red >> pixels to the point of being blown out. I've never much paid attention >> to what the scales on those sliders actually mean. Just push them >> around until I get something I like. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>> I don't understand something. How can we have three 5D owners not >>> agree about noise patterns in their cameras? >>> >>> AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:01:33 2010 Received: (qmail 11972 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:01:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EB4E180A9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FB1E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DC6E47220 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C734FE47219 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11277 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 20:01:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:01:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c095b9d49601413256596 Ha, ha! Shades of the movie "A Christmas Story" in which the husband brings home a "leg lamp" which greatly discomfits the wife. :-) Chuck Norcutt philippe.amard wrote: > I thought of Nathan when I saw this, don't mistake me though :-) > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Playground/Men+2-1000756.jpg.html > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:13:54 2010 Received: (qmail 23510 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:13:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FECAE1809B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE86DE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB35E4720D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E774E47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:13:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:13:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYFACv7CEzKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSKY0MvzCFFwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,362,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3280616" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 05 Jun 2010 08:13:44 +1200 Received: from [111.69.247.190] (190.247.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.247.190]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C910201F1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:13:42 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:13:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100604-1, 05/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:13:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c095e82286872439112457 Last night I was browsing auctions and this one from Auckland http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=294463290 mentions that the lens has always been kept in a low-humidity case. This would be as an anti-fungus precaution. Auckland has a sub-tropical climate, surrounded by ocean, and such a precaution would be a very good idea. To recap, fungus (on lenses or anywhere else) is a microscopic plant without chlorophyll. It spreads through the dissemination of microscopic spores; for example the blue dust from mouldy bread is millions of fungal spores. Some species of fungus can and do grow on the surface of camera lenses. Fungi need water in order to grow; not much, what comes in through the atmosphere is enough. So having lenses in a dessication cabinet is a very good idea. In the tropics it is mandatory - microscopes stored outside such cabinets are rendered useless within months due to fungous growths on the glass, for example. Who amongst us stores their lenses in such a cabinet? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:17:13 2010 Received: (qmail 29266 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:17:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A539E180A5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A65E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC45E4720B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B9AE47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11689 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2010 20:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2010 20:15:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:15:36 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Exhibition "You are here" X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:17:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c095f49299841413256596 Great idea to make this site, Jez (and Kevin). = Viewfinders is a great photography club. I joined it in the late 1990s when= I lived in Brussels and have remained a member even though I left Belgium = in 2000. I participated in the first exhibition at this location a few year= s ago, it is a wonderful venue. = I rarely make it to club events, but have been fortunate enough to meet wit= h members when I travel to Brussels. And even if the web images may not look that sharp, based on my experience,= I can assure you that the prints at the exhibition are stunning. Well done, Viewfinders! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jun 4, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Can I invite you to my photo club's (virtual) exhibition: > http://www.viewfinders.be/nothere/WestEast/index.html > = > Here's the intro: > = > This is Viewfinders=92 eighth exhibition and our second to be held in the > Halles Saint-G=E9ry in Brussels, Belgium. Following on from a > successful exhibition in 2007 on Brussels, we wanted to take you further > afield on a photographic journey around the world. > = > The exhibition features 47 of the club=92s members showing 99 photographs, > from Brussels and beyond. > = > Photography is a powerful medium, and can impart emotion, a sense of plac= e, > tell a story, bring back memories and inspire you. This exhibition is > designed to take you on journey of discovery, without the long haul fligh= ts > or airport queues. > = > =93Viewfinders=94 is the English speaking photography club of Brussels. W= e have > over 100 members from more than 15 different countries, and this exhibiti= on > allows our members to share their world with you. > = > If you=92re interested in Viewfinders and would like to learn more about = who > we are and what we do, then more information can be found on our club=92s > website. Viewfinders is open to anyone who has an interest in photography, > from amateur to professional. > = > Thank you for your visit. We hope you enjoy the exhibition and look forwa= rd > to hearing from you in the very near future. > = > cheers > = > jez > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:49:51 2010 Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B8BE1809D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCAAE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9965F34AC032 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0E834AC028 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12605 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 20:49:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:49:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0966ef42972013633067 I think air conditioning where the relative humidity is 60% or less is sufficient protection. I lived in south Florida for 10 years which is considered sub-tropical. None of my lenses have ever shown signs of growing fungus but everything has been in an air conditioned environment since 1985 and for the 5 year period 1971-1975. From 1976-1985 I lived in an non air conditioned house that was cool but deep in shady pine woods and humid in the summer. (Woodstock, NY). The lenses didn't suffer since they were stored elsewhere but a fair number of K64 and other slides stored in Carousel slide trays inside their cardboard boxes and stored in a dark closet did suffer substantial damage. I have a few lenses I have acquired (cheaply) that do show substantial fungus infection. However, since I have owned them they have been kept under air conditioning and don't appear to show any further damage. I think the dry conditions have kept the fungi at bay. I have also kept uninfected lenses in the same vicinity as the obviously infected ones with absolutely no ill effects. I have heard some people say that's utter lunacy but I think the lunacy resides elsewhere. Fungal spores are everywhere by the millions or billions not just on the infected lenses. But if the conditions aren't right they won't grow. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Last night I was browsing auctions and this one from Auckland > http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=294463290 > mentions that the lens has always been kept in a low-humidity case. > > This would be as an anti-fungus precaution. Auckland has a sub-tropical > climate, surrounded by ocean, and such a precaution would be a very good > idea. > > To recap, fungus (on lenses or anywhere else) is a microscopic plant > without chlorophyll. It spreads through the dissemination of microscopic > spores; for example the blue dust from mouldy bread is millions of fungal > spores. Some species of fungus can and do grow on the surface of camera > lenses. > > Fungi need water in order to grow; not much, what comes in through the > atmosphere is enough. So having lenses in a dessication cabinet is a very > good idea. In the tropics it is mandatory - microscopes stored outside such > cabinets are rendered useless within months due to fungous growths on the > glass, for example. > > Who amongst us stores their lenses in such a cabinet? > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:52:00 2010 Received: (qmail 16114 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:52:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA31E180A4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6FE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C3BE47209 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A7BE47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14203 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Exhibition "You are here" X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:52:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09677070061234514069 I was sure they are too which is why I considered that there must be a problem with the web images. It looks to me as though the images simply weren't resharpened after resizing for the web. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > And even if the web images may not look that sharp, based on my > experience, I can assure you that the prints at the exhibition are > stunning. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 4 22:54:46 2010 Received: (qmail 25176 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 20:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 20:54:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E775E180A5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A10E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8662234AC02F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFF034AC032 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16032 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jun 2010 20:54:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] [OT] 2 TB SATA 3 hard drive for 90 bucks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 4 22:54:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c096816313779752976205 Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 00:09:38 2010 Received: (qmail 18838 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 22:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 22:09:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6AE18110 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39680E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379FE34AC032 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E319D34AC028 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so2213145vws.20 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.121.229 with SMTP id i37mr8219562vcr.257.1275689367146; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.75.140 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:09:27 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 00:09:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0979a2205671946193717 If ... you keep the filters clean. I'm thinking of split designs, the unit which hangs on the wall has filters which collect dust particles. Dust particles are made of anything. :-) Fernando. 2010/6/4 Chuck Norcutt : > I think air conditioning where the relative humidity is 60% or less is > sufficient protection. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 01:53:55 2010 Received: (qmail 1055 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2010 23:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 23:53:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41662E180C0 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB3CE240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB70D34AC028 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C44634AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o54NrhQc028784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:53:46 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com><4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> <4C091F23.6050609@chucknorcutt.com> <33178625490D488EACDFD73DED4C4500@MAIN> <4C095A8B.8080204@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C095A8B.8080204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:53:40 +1000 Message-ID: <009601cb0441$29a7a8b0$7cf6fa10$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsEIBzeEIZn8cmjTuqsAg2XsE/NJQAH+5dg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 01:53:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c099213178127801554290 > > > Reds 100% > > Yellows 92% > > Greens -8% > > Cyans -42% > > Blues 0% > > Magentas 100% > Ok, so how do you define "yellow" (or even "red") ? >From my understanding a "yellow" is some proportion of "red" and "green", how much "red" and how much "green" ? I don't even see the point of adjusting a yellow slider in this situation when you're already adjusting a red slider and a green slider. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 02:52:35 2010 Received: (qmail 31463 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 00:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 00:52:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD2CE180B4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C273E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B559E47207 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9511CE47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19398 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 00:52:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2010 00:52:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4C099FCA.2020700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:52:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com><4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> <4C091F23.6050609@chucknorcutt.com> <33178625490D488EACDFD73DED4C4500@MAIN> <4C095A8B.8080204@chucknorcutt.com> <009601cb0441$29a7a8b0$7cf6fa10$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <009601cb0441$29a7a8b0$7cf6fa10$@com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100604-1, 06/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 02:52:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c099fd3111132013633067 We let PhotoShop worry about that. We just move the sliders. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> > Reds 100% >> > Yellows 92% >> > Greens -8% >> > Cyans -42% >> > Blues 0% >> > Magentas 100% >> > > Ok, so how do you define "yellow" (or even "red") ? > >>From my understanding a "yellow" is some proportion of "red" and "green", > how much "red" and how much "green" ? > > I don't even see the point of adjusting a yellow slider in this situation > when you're already adjusting a red slider and a green slider. > > ...Wayne > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 02:55:16 2010 Received: (qmail 2595 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 00:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 00:55:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9653DE180B7 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011A1E240E5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CA8E53298 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66220E5329A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o550t78V022628 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:55:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8ECAD8A2-6F90-4F80-BABA-A3CD5AD21930@solms.co.za> <4BFC6611.5050805@gmail.com> <42FBD64C827A48D08F49A28087647C8C@MAIN> <4C086F8B.6070903@gmail.com><4C08F003.9070507@chucknorcutt.com> <4C08F0D0.8060204@chucknorcutt.com> <4C091F23.6050609@chucknorcutt.com><33178625490D488EACDFD73DED4C4500@MAIN> <4C095A8B.8080204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:54:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 02:55:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09a074291981220213263 I have slighly reduced the value of red and yellow to make them 100% and below but the problem still exist. Tried playing with other values found Cyans is the key, increase the Cyans helps a lot but this do not solve the problem if the default CS4 red filter setting is simulating the effect of red filter then changing anything will shift the effect. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > The first thing that gets my attention in the red filter is that there > are values of more than 100% while the B/W filter's values are all less > than 100%. In particular, in the red filter the red and magenta are at > 120% and the yellow at 110%. Does this mean that any red pixel is > multiplied by 1.2? I don't know exactly what it means but if it does > mean multiply pixel values by 1.2 then any pixel of 213 or higher will > create a blown pixel. > > I note that the B/W filter with values all less than 100% produced a > good looking image without noise or pixelation. Perhaps if the red > filter's values were divided by 1.2 you'd get proportional numbers > without causing blown highlights. > > That would give values of: > > > Reds 100% > > Yellows 92% > > Greens -8% > > Cyans -42% > > Blues 0% > > Magentas 100% > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 03:14:30 2010 Received: (qmail 2872 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26847E1808F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98483E2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DB3E47207 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B24E47201 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o551EMwP027326 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:14:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:14:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 03:14:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09a4f6312513900897491 Unless the air conditioner is operating at 24hrs a day otherwise I don't think it works, may be the RH is always not high in your areas, we have 70-95% in summer time (and it is long) I always have my lenses put inside electronic dry box. Before I purchase the dry box I have to clean my lenses once a year due to fungus, fortunately I only had less than 10 lenses that time but unforutnately all the fungus were inside the lenses so it take time to disassembly and clean them. My first bad experience in purching camera gear was a set of Pen FT from Australia 10 years ago, it seems came from a fungus farm. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses >I think air conditioning where the relative humidity is 60% or less is > sufficient protection. I lived in south Florida for 10 years which is > considered sub-tropical. None of my lenses have ever shown signs of > growing fungus but everything has been in an air conditioned environment > since 1985 and for the 5 year period 1971-1975. From 1976-1985 I lived > in an non air conditioned house that was cool but deep in shady pine > woods and humid in the summer. (Woodstock, NY). The lenses didn't > suffer since they were stored elsewhere but a fair number of K64 and > other slides stored in Carousel slide trays inside their cardboard boxes > and stored in a dark closet did suffer substantial damage. > > I have a few lenses I have acquired (cheaply) that do show substantial > fungus infection. However, since I have owned them they have been kept > under air conditioning and don't appear to show any further damage. I > think the dry conditions have kept the fungi at bay. I have also kept > uninfected lenses in the same vicinity as the obviously infected ones > with absolutely no ill effects. I have heard some people say that's > utter lunacy but I think the lunacy resides elsewhere. Fungal spores > are everywhere by the millions or billions not just on the infected > lenses. But if the conditions aren't right they won't grow. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Brian Swale wrote: >> Last night I was browsing auctions and this one from Auckland >> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=294463290 >> mentions that the lens has always been kept in a low-humidity case. >> >> This would be as an anti-fungus precaution. Auckland has a sub-tropical >> climate, surrounded by ocean, and such a precaution would be a very good >> idea. >> >> To recap, fungus (on lenses or anywhere else) is a microscopic plant >> without chlorophyll. It spreads through the dissemination of microscopic >> spores; for example the blue dust from mouldy bread is millions of fungal >> spores. Some species of fungus can and do grow on the surface of camera >> lenses. >> >> Fungi need water in order to grow; not much, what comes in through the >> atmosphere is enough. So having lenses in a dessication cabinet is a very >> good idea. In the tropics it is mandatory - microscopes stored outside >> such >> cabinets are rendered useless within months due to fungous growths on the >> glass, for example. >> >> Who amongst us stores their lenses in such a cabinet? >> >> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 03:31:27 2010 Received: (qmail 7653 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 01:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 01:31:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC01E180BA for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B788DE2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECED34AC027 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6842734AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so2464786vws.20 for ; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.249.15 with SMTP id mi15mr2981613qcb.122.1275701479503; Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.75.140 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:31:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:31:19 -0300 Message-ID: From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 03:31:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09a8ef272111612113968 Usual figures here, regardless summer or winter. A dry day could be 60%. Thus, winter is very cold at +5=BAC, and it never snows. I found a good thread here: Fernando. 2010/6/4 C.H.Ling : > we have > 70-95% in summer time (and it is long) -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 04:49:39 2010 Received: (qmail 22823 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 02:49:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239DE180AB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE614E2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605134AC02A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F2F34AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o552nPpf011304; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:49:29 GMT Message-ID: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:50:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 04:49:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09bb43115201413256596 I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to the color and the curves of the blades. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 04:51:58 2010 Received: (qmail 1750 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 02:51:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C5DE1809D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A65E2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A455E47207 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED8DE47203 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o552poJf001798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:51:51 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:51:44 +1000 Message-ID: <00a601cb045a$09335d40$1b9a17c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsETHLJtnnCSC0pSI6eosFQ76LergADQW+g Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 04:51:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09bbce300993900897491 > My first bad experience in purching > camera > gear was a set of Pen FT from Australia 10 years ago, it seems came > from a > fungus farm. > Yep, I'm wary of buying lenses from north of the VIC-NSW border ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 05:49:16 2010 Received: (qmail 20939 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 03:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 03:49:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29001E180B3 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F8EE2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7625634AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC78C34AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o553n3RA009104 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:49:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4F72BE104BC24EB28A391153EFD59AF4@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com><9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> <00a601cb045a$09335d40$1b9a17c0$@com.au> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:48:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 05:49:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09c93c157991946193717 And I forgot to mention, the seller said it was in mint condition :-( BTW, my 2nd fungus lens was from Hawaii so I will avoid anything from humid area. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" >> My first bad experience in purching >> camera >> gear was a set of Pen FT from Australia 10 years ago, it seems came >> from a >> fungus farm. >> > > Yep, I'm wary of buying lenses from north of the VIC-NSW border ! > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 06:30:20 2010 Received: (qmail 11240 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 04:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 04:30:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BFFE180AD for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6854E2410B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B7934AC028 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCFE34AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o554U3VO020137 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:30:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <95171B868F7845CD99627FAF40DAAFD1@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz><4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com><9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:29:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 06:30:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c09d2dc3992439112457 I have a Toshiba DC-85E (85 liter?) purchased nearly twenty years ago at = US$200, which is designed for food so the price was much cheaper than the = one which is for camera gears (but I don't think there is any difference). = It keep the humidity at 45 to 55% the whole year depends on ambient = temperature. The sealed plastic case with silica gel didn't work for me, I = highly recomend the electronic one which consumes very little power and is = maintenance free (ok, it broke two years ago but I fixed it and now it stil= l = works well.) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" Usual figures here, regardless summer or winter. A dry day could be 60%. Thus, winter is very cold at +5=BAC, and it never snows. I found a good thread here: Fernando. 2010/6/4 C.H.Ling : > we have > 70-95% in summer time (and it is long) -- = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 10:52:54 2010 Received: (qmail 164 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 08:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 08:52:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC28E180B4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186B7E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067BCE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F699E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp10.register.it [81.88.48.60]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23516 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2010 08:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2010 08:52:42 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:52:41 +0200 Message-Id: <0A1369EF-1C53-48B1-8DF1-9EAE58255746@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 20: first days in Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 10:52:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a106619441744846740 I have finally processed enough pictures from May's trip to the US to be ab= le to post week 20 pictures, all from Boston/Cambridge. Hopefully, you will= be amused by my vignettes from Cambridge, a transgender rally in Boston an= d various se=F1oritas: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D387 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 12:51:13 2010 Received: (qmail 31812 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 10:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 10:51:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F290FE1808E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA67E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A2934AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E2734AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 03:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1603115wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.82 with SMTP id v18mr962815wbt.167.1275735065318; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r35sm18296998wbv.5.2010.06.05.03.51.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:51:03 +0100 Message-Id: <88440EE7-AB41-4F7E-9A13-9D16002EA439@threeshoes.net> References: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 12:51:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a2c21280401006886880 I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. Thanks Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: > I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to the color and the curves of the blades. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 13:53:04 2010 Received: (qmail 12419 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 11:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 11:53:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB808E180A1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70908E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6787D34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293334AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1596547wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.204 with SMTP id i12mr7043889wbv.199.1275738770171; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm18669431wbd.19.2010.06.05.04.52.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:52:47 +0100 Message-Id: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [OM] Wanted: EC-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 13:53:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a3aa089342517112723 Dear All I feel the need for more reach with my E-3 and 50-200 as I am boating on the Broads at the end of this month. Has anyone a DZ converter to sell? Cheers Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 14:04:00 2010 Received: (qmail 17618 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 12:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 12:03:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A35CE1809F for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B64FE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94C1E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88497E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21301 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 12:03:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-0, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] B&W filters on digital [was Non Bokeh 50mm F1.4 pictures] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 14:04:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a3d30306481744846740 Increasing the cyans is interesting. On your previous image turning off everything but the red in ACR made a mess of the sky. But adding back some "blues" fixed it. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I have slighly reduced the value of red and yellow to make them 100% and > below but the problem still exist. Tried playing with other values found > Cyans is the key, increase the Cyans helps a lot but this do not solve the > problem if the default CS4 red filter setting is simulating the effect of > red filter then changing anything will shift the effect. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > > >> The first thing that gets my attention in the red filter is that there >> are values of more than 100% while the B/W filter's values are all less >> than 100%. In particular, in the red filter the red and magenta are at >> 120% and the yellow at 110%. Does this mean that any red pixel is >> multiplied by 1.2? I don't know exactly what it means but if it does >> mean multiply pixel values by 1.2 then any pixel of 213 or higher will >> create a blown pixel. >> >> I note that the B/W filter with values all less than 100% produced a >> good looking image without noise or pixelation. Perhaps if the red >> filter's values were divided by 1.2 you'd get proportional numbers >> without causing blown highlights. >> >> That would give values of: >> >>> Reds 100% >>> Yellows 92% >>> Greens -8% >>> Cyans -42% >>> Blues 0% >>> Magentas 100% >> Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 14:12:11 2010 Received: (qmail 2113 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 12:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 12:12:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE738E180A4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9771E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6AE34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C26C34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25669 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 12:12:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-0, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 14:12:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a3f1b233911234514069 Nice shot. It would be interesting to see a high magnification shot of the edge of the blade. I wonder if it looks like sawgrass (which is not so subtle that one needs a magnfier). But sawgrass is a sedge, not a grass. Johnson grass is not a sedge. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. > > Thanks > > Chris > On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to the color and the curves of the blades. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 14:55:56 2010 Received: (qmail 23843 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 12:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 12:55:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740D8E180A4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E683AE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0C0E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B07AE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17385 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 12:55:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-0, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 14:55:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a495c131861357919056 Many years ago Kodak used to publish plans for a tropical dry cabinet. = It was simply a small wooden cabinet with a low wattage light bulb = installed in the bottom. Gun owners face the same sort of problem with = rust as we do from fungus. If you'd like to make your own dry cabinet = you can get various small electrical resistance heaters designed for gun = cabinets for about $20 (or $35 if you buy in the wrong place :-)) Goldenrod is a popular name: Browning also makes one which is flexible to fit in smaller spaces and = also has an LED to indicate if the unit is turned on. The Goldenrod is available in two lengths; 12" and 8 watts to protect up = to 100 cubic feet and 18" and 12 watts for up to 200 cubic feet. = Several years ago I was going to build a dry cabinet using a 13 watt = compact fluorescent bulb as the heater but abandoned it as unnecessary = since I've never had a fungus problem in my air conditioned houses. In my Florida place (and something I've not seen elsewhere) the air = conditioner is controlled both by temperature and humidity in what = appears to be a sort of AND circuit. It appears that power to the = thermostat passes first through a separate humidistat. Regardless of = temperature the air conditioner will not turn on unless the relative = humidity is higher than the setting on the humidistat dial or unless the = humidistat's dial is set to "off". This is a good arrangement for = snowbirds where we're not present during the summer and don't care what = the temperature is as long as the humidity is not high enough to cause = damage. But for normal summer time living I'd like to have an OR = arrangement with the humidistat. If the temperature is above a certain = point OR the humidity is above a certain point (regardless of = temperature) turn on the air. To the best of my knowledge no such = household control exists. It's a bit frustrating since right next to my = heating/cooling thermostat is a humidistat. However, the humidistat = only controls the humidifier on the furnace. It would be nice to let it = work with the A/C as well. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I have a Toshiba DC-85E (85 liter?) purchased nearly twenty years ago at = > US$200, which is designed for food so the price was much cheaper than the = > one which is for camera gears (but I don't think there is any difference)= . = > It keep the humidity at 45 to 55% the whole year depends on ambient = > temperature. The sealed plastic case with silica gel didn't work for me, = I = > highly recomend the electronic one which consumes very little power and i= s = > maintenance free (ok, it broke two years ago but I fixed it and now it st= ill = > works well.) > = > C.H.Ling > = > = > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > = > Usual figures here, regardless summer or winter. A dry day could be 60%. > Thus, winter is very cold at +5=BAC, and it never snows. > = > I found a good thread here: > > = > Fernando. > = > 2010/6/4 C.H.Ling : > = >> we have >> 70-95% in summer time (and it is long) -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 15:52:58 2010 Received: (qmail 22760 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 13:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 13:52:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B972E18095 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5AAE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3970134AC028 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9FB34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55Dqmsw022999 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:52:50 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols> <88440EE7-AB41-4F7E-9A13-9D16002EA439@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:52:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 15:52:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a56ba105139752976205 You are correct, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass >I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. > > Thanks > > Chris > On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the >> edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to >> the color and the curves of the blades. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 15:55:38 2010 Received: (qmail 6505 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 13:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 13:55:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6110E180A1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BB4E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5327834AC02A for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECACA34AC028 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55DtSdR005568 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:55:31 GMT Message-ID: <5EA8C65BA90D482F8775929C402B04EC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols><88440EE7-AB41-4F7E-9A13-9D16002EA439@threeshoes.net> <4C0A3F14.2090904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:55:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 15:55:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a575a162392439112457 Sorry, Chuck, but I mowed it down. I will see if there is a blade still available. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass > Nice shot. It would be interesting to see a high magnification shot of > the edge of the blade. I wonder if it looks like sawgrass (which is not > so subtle that one needs a magnfier). But sawgrass is a sedge, not a > grass. Johnson grass is not a sedge. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the >>> edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to >>> the color and the curves of the blades. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 16:06:36 2010 Received: (qmail 15387 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 14:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 14:06:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D6FE180B5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE547E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A800C34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E06A34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-047.ctimail.com [61.93.57.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o55E6JqI012189 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:06:25 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o55E6Jrc025090 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:06:19 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <63E3C744E8A14C1DAC97227A5280069A@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0A0734.5814.1B7115@bj.caverock.net.nz><4C0966E5.1020103@chucknorcutt.com><9083013FD0EB430687D2CFC38F48C2D0@MAIN> <95171B868F7845CD99627FAF40DAAFD1@MAIN> <4C0A4952.1000006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:06:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 16:06:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a59ec139021220213263 Just one point about the dry cabinet for camera, you need to control the humidity, too low humidity is no good, 40-55% could be a good range. One interesting thing about your temperature/humidity controlled house, do you ever open the window? We open the window whenever air conditioner is not in use. It account for 50% of the time in summer and 100% of the time for the rest of the year. When we open the windows there is no way to control the humidity anymore. On the other hand there are quite some difference in humidity inside the house even on the same area, it depends on which direction the windows face. The flat we previously lived was having much higher (10%+) humidity then our current one which is less then 100 meter away. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" Many years ago Kodak used to publish plans for a tropical dry cabinet. It was simply a small wooden cabinet with a low wattage light bulb installed in the bottom. Gun owners face the same sort of problem with rust as we do from fungus. If you'd like to make your own dry cabinet you can get various small electrical resistance heaters designed for gun cabinets for about $20 (or $35 if you buy in the wrong place :-)) Goldenrod is a popular name: Browning also makes one which is flexible to fit in smaller spaces and also has an LED to indicate if the unit is turned on. The Goldenrod is available in two lengths; 12" and 8 watts to protect up to 100 cubic feet and 18" and 12 watts for up to 200 cubic feet. Several years ago I was going to build a dry cabinet using a 13 watt compact fluorescent bulb as the heater but abandoned it as unnecessary since I've never had a fungus problem in my air conditioned houses. In my Florida place (and something I've not seen elsewhere) the air conditioner is controlled both by temperature and humidity in what appears to be a sort of AND circuit. It appears that power to the thermostat passes first through a separate humidistat. Regardless of temperature the air conditioner will not turn on unless the relative humidity is higher than the setting on the humidistat dial or unless the humidistat's dial is set to "off". This is a good arrangement for snowbirds where we're not present during the summer and don't care what the temperature is as long as the humidity is not high enough to cause damage. But for normal summer time living I'd like to have an OR arrangement with the humidistat. If the temperature is above a certain point OR the humidity is above a certain point (regardless of temperature) turn on the air. To the best of my knowledge no such household control exists. It's a bit frustrating since right next to my heating/cooling thermostat is a humidistat. However, the humidistat only controls the humidifier on the furnace. It would be nice to let it work with the A/C as well. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 17:09:59 2010 Received: (qmail 12660 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 15:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 15:09:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C349E180BE for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996A3E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9CF34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:09:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5F834AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:09:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-235-200.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.235.200]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 781 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:24:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <248177DC-2274-4FB2-BEC1-5B40B866FC91@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:09:44 +0200 References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 17:09:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a68c7197212013633067 Moose, I believe the 50/1.8 crosses an "acceptability" boundary for me, my brother uses one as one of his primary lenses - has done so for almost 4 years. He's on his second one - the first one was dropped ever-so-slightly (50cm or so) and on carpet, but still, the little plastic thing (which he had owned from new, and was never abused) self-destructed. This also allowed me to have a peek at its insides, never seen such a simply or cheaply constructed lens, it's literally four pieces of plastic (even the geared threads), with what seems to be very loose tolerances (wobbly). To be honest, if I wanted to use a 50/1.8 on a Canon EOS, I'd just stick a Zuiko on it. So, it produces results that count, but it's the least robust lens I've ever used. If i wanted a cheap, small, fantastic Canon 50mm, even though it's a bit slower, I'd use the 50/2.5 Macro instead, or the MkI version of the 50/1.8 which does seem to be a bit more robust. Dawid On 04 Jun 2010, at 7:31 AM, Moose wrote: > On 6/3/2010 3:10 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: >> [BIG snip]. >> Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically >> fantastic, but a cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it >> interesting that the OM system didn't per se produce any badly- >> built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? >> > > I'm always curious about the "piece of junk" epithet about this > lens. It > seems to me to be better suited for some users than a more sturdily > made > lens. What are your criteria? Mine are: > > 1. Excellent images. And it scores here. > > 2. Reliability. OK, so it's plastic, and rattles. Still, for an > amateur > like me, it's the same as new a year or two later, and it's mostly in > the bag with me. I don't use it often, but when I do, its done the job > so far. For heavier duty use, harsh treatment or conditions, sure, > use a > pro lens. But practically, even if it eventually gets broken, it's so > cheap a replacement is no big deal (and I won't need to buy the hood > again). > > 3. There when I need it. It's tiny and weighs nothing, so I usually > have > it with me. If I had the serious 50/1.4, I'd have it along less often, > as it wouldn't fit where the 1.8 does and would add weight to the kit. > I'm not interested in finding a bigger bag or leaving another lens > home. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 17:32:36 2010 Received: (qmail 26357 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 15:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 15:32:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA4E180B3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6F2E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B65DE47209 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A62E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so1606687gyg.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.105.40 with SMTP id h40mr14202074anm.184.1275751943411; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C096769.3010209@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C096769.3010209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:32:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K6N9og8VKUnHayriMJfz9jqEiss Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Exhibition "You are here" X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 17:32:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a6e14236141234514069 Reply came back: *The virtual expo should be sharpened, as this was ticked before exporting those, but the images on the profiles maybe not so.* * * *It looks great on my mac screen, but not so great in Windows, I think this is due to Mac managing colours etc better than windows does.* Too bad - but the people who run the club are all just volunteers doing their best... Thanks for looking, jez On 4 June 2010 22:51, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I was sure they are too which is why I considered that there must be a > problem with the web images. It looks to me as though the images simply > weren't resharpened after resizing for the web. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > > And even if the web images may not look that sharp, based on my > > experience, I can assure you that the prints at the exhibition are > > stunning. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 17:40:31 2010 Received: (qmail 15528 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 17:51:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a7296104905368819438 I'm using Macs, Jez, and some of the shots don't look that sharp to me (and I'm not a great fan of sharpening). But colours and the compositions look great. Winter Feed is great, as are 2 on the beach; but I haven't looked through all of them. Thanks Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:32, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Reply came back: > > *The virtual expo should be sharpened, as this was ticked before exporting > those, but the images on the profiles maybe not so.* > * > * > *It looks great on my mac screen, but not so great in Windows, I think this > is due to Mac managing colours etc better than windows does.* > > > Too bad - but the people who run the club are all just volunteers doing > their best... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 18:31:48 2010 Received: (qmail 22082 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 16:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 16:31:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79968E1809D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ECAE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E751E34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F62B34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=9JxmGo3iAAAA:8 a=V8lwPzbBNBZ_iqeoUBYA:9 a=khKL8y11l8nkPuJ-z6NYGdCCzccA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=2nJYRM7eSiWwtBAL:21 a=mzXTfdREYsCX-Py0:21 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:44562] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 60/37-26996-CEB7A0C4; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:31:41 +0000 Message-Id: <7E290F64-CF32-4352-8CFF-F7C5D137A6E0@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0ADE4E1E-BB7C-4AC7-AF6B-CBDCA6424A42@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:31:40 -0400 References: <0ADE4E1E-BB7C-4AC7-AF6B-CBDCA6424A42@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Listening ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 18:31:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a7bf4104931234514069 Very compelling composition. Drew me right in. It appears you caught the woman a split second before the cigarette touched her lips. (The man has no butt. ) Adds to the effect that he is an anonymous figure--the universal male hanging close to the attractive female. Well done. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 4, 2010, at 2:20 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/Tirez-1000724.jpg.html > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 18:46:50 2010 Received: (qmail 10588 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD19E18098 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D62E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CCDE47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA20E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.88]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 63303 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2010 16:46:43 -0000 Message-ID: <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sBgAe0kVM1lwihC2WmM.s3sEr3xCxoXA7i77JXTLsOGTvDh zhBf5AdQ4G6AoC.aA5vRtHAh3xr8UPK2uAxTmNpXx.8_83qLRGXRC4R_ych5 8QSE95xocS7tN.9irN88GACVELwY887i3NyC8t7njkiU.0j4ZhuO.iEBE_Fs FgxKgCj7XsT1UnFoA6Qe6naG2K9sbNDd.S1Upd79UfisAR3Yfs2RF5ebYOuq j8XhZISVdB35ADfjIuxWyeLjCn9jwAch2I6txHH0k2u5DlkKrhAB0t6TjrIc JT8tFraQ3AxJsTogzX_vbkkGemOQovd2EvE1IiMnXRbE- Received: from [86.153.175.206] by web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:46:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/397.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:46:43 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 18:46:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a7f7a197576107113666 Quote from the Independent Wed 1-6-2010 As an example of why the possessive apostrophe is still a necessity, Simon Carr's political sketch has no equal. he wrote, "Peter Lilley's wife tried to get into a Downing Street function saying, 'I'm one of the ministers' wives', The policeman: 'I couldn't let you in if you were the minister's only wife'." It's wonderful, but without the possessive apostrophe it would have been rendered meaningless. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK .................................................................................................................................................................................................... ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Friday, 4 June, 2010 6:42:36 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") > Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > P.S. I hate having to go to the number screen to get an apostrophe > when the autocorrect gets derailed. Methinks Chris will not approve > that omission. > -- Pretty s'oon nobody will use apostroffe's anyhow ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 18:54:35 2010 Received: (qmail 32380 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 16:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 16:54:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6054AE180A8 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E7DE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204A034AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6152B34AC028 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.86]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 66049 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2010 16:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SzW1io4VM1lq.j1A42dYoV.GoDdPCSZfmPhA4v7_K1U2034 3HPy4nG9YGNii4ruXBdFa07wQHVM0w6wmVCoIA6gRlhRvmMB36.axGmGDOaM dAavK8GkTn3_VLQ2r0igzOKwUc0uCLLiP.IvgGAoykSXj9WMykI1m9qHzERm xeo5U9wFXQ3lFvLRh7gBLayLuopeVFRKeGNvoGd8aO909TSXfffuc4ey0xm9 3u_Kr3mZwh7fut04f.3aqmrQMZqa1IfXqyUOL1fnUvDXje8F2k34fXm2oWwA YWlj6t.6vSzuH1VKaTqDC.OUILVXT3SX6LtLh0HQuuDA- Received: from [86.153.175.206] by web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:54:28 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/397.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:54:28 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 18:54:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a814b98149730998309 Just went through the same process. Tried the 50mm f1.8 Could not stand the rattles or flimsy nature of the lens. just felt tacky. Settled on a 50mm f2.5 lens. Well made, does not rattle, gives up to 1/2 life size, and seems a fair compromise as a portrait lens. We all have our thoughts on lens design. Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ----- Original Message ---- From: Moose To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Friday, 4 June, 2010 6:31:53 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos On 6/3/2010 3:10 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > [BIG snip]. > Canon's plastic fantastic 50/1.8 is a similar story, optically fantastic, but a cheap piece of junk otherwise. I find it interesting that the OM system didn't per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? Moose wrote I'm always curious about the "piece of junk" epithet about this lens. It seems to me to be better suited for some users than a more sturdily made lens. What are your criteria? Mine are: 1. Excellent images. And it scores here. 2. Reliability. OK, so it's plastic, and rattles. 3. There when I need it. It's tiny and weighs nothing, so I usually have it with me. If I had the serious 50/1.4, I'd have it along less often, as it wouldn't fit where the 1.8 does and would add weight to the kit. Moose -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 18:58:37 2010 Received: (qmail 25425 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 16:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 16:58:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC046E18098 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88691E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8019B34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1679D34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1713927wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.83 with SMTP id c19mr12079840wbv.228.1275757111646; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm20743384wbv.6.2010.06.05.09.58.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0ADE4E1E-BB7C-4AC7-AF6B-CBDCA6424A42@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0ADE4E1E-BB7C-4AC7-AF6B-CBDCA6424A42@sfr.fr> Message-Id: <713B7A31-6432-4FC2-B6D8-B1B1DA5375CC@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Listening ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 18:58:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a823d195379752976205 Philippe I looked earlier and looked away again ... Then I had another look a few minutes ago: the mono treatment suits it well with the pale of the lady's face, and the focus of attention on the 'O' of the mouth, perhaps. Thanks for that. Chris On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:20, philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/Tirez-1000724.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 19:04:25 2010 Received: (qmail 28588 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 17:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 17:04:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406D7E18072 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAADE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AFAE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48652E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1716096wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.155.213 with SMTP id t21mr11984770wbw.66.1275757458866; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm20752393wba.21.2010.06.05.10.04.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:04:17 +0100 Message-Id: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 19:04:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a8399107831234514069 Excellent, John! Further to Piers's point a few days ago, I reckon that most of what we are losing in the language is important for one reason or another; and there is no replacement for the apostrophe ... It's the number of a subject that's one of my bugbears at the moment: "none", "neither" etc ... Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:46, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > As an example of why the possessive apostrophe is still a necessity, Simon Carr's political sketch has no equal. he wrote, > "Peter Lilley's wife tried to get into a Downing Street function saying, 'I'm one of the ministers' wives', The policeman: 'I couldn't let you in if you were the minister's only wife'." It's wonderful, but without the possessive apostrophe it would have been rendered meaningless. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 19:23:22 2010 Received: (qmail 8430 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 17:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 17:23:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFFAE180A4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A24E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5284FE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5185E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55HNBKq002074 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:15 GMT Message-ID: <5DF48D76DCE3499A8589E23472B59BF2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <98B897022ACB44CF9BDBF33773CA284C@jimnichols><88440EE7-AB41-4F7E-9A13-9D16002EA439@threeshoes.net> <4C0A3F14.2090904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 19:23:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a880a238861220213263 Chuck, I tried a photo at minimum distance with the 60 Macro, and tried viewing the blade itself with my loupe. There is nothing that I can see with the equipment I have available. However, if I feel the edge carefully, I can feel it grab my finger. That's all I can do for now. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass > Nice shot. It would be interesting to see a high magnification shot of > the edge of the blade. I wonder if it looks like sawgrass (which is not > so subtle that one needs a magnfier). But sawgrass is a sedge, not a > grass. Johnson grass is not a sedge. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the >>> edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to >>> the color and the curves of the blades. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 19:57:43 2010 Received: (qmail 24477 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 17:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 17:57:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9948CE1808E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F02E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BFEE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A2CE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1736163wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.138.148 with SMTP id a20mr12143928wbu.91.1275760656197; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm21140291wbb.2.2010.06.05.10.57.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:57:34 +0100 Message-Id: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 19:57:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a9017156324877110844 In answer to the lovely collection by Philippe, here are a few from our garden last week. http://gallery.me.com/zuiko/100069 Unfortunately the 35/3.5 will not autofocus on my GF-1, so these are from my E-3. Because it's such a light lens, the E-3 feels quite compact. And it's always a pleasure to use a prime lens instead of a zoom. Any comments or suggestions would be welcome, including better ways to choose a point of focus, perhaps ... Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 20:41:06 2010 Received: (qmail 29772 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 18:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 18:41:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF1CE1809E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B323AE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC5DE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA07E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10635 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 18:40:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-0, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 20:41:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a9a42281901234514069 Yes, we do open the window when the A/C is not in use. But if it's cool enough to open the window the humidity is usually fairly low as well. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Just one point about the dry cabinet for camera, you need to control the > humidity, too low humidity is no good, 40-55% could be a good range. > > One interesting thing about your temperature/humidity controlled house, do > you ever open the window? We open the window whenever air conditioner is not > in use. It account for 50% of the time in summer and 100% of the time for > the rest of the year. When we open the windows there is no way to control > the humidity anymore. > > On the other hand there are quite some difference in humidity inside the > house even on the same area, it depends on which direction the windows face. > The flat we previously lived was having much higher (10%+) humidity then our > current one which is less then 100 meter away. > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > > > Many years ago Kodak used to publish plans for a tropical dry cabinet. > It was simply a small wooden cabinet with a low wattage light bulb > installed in the bottom. Gun owners face the same sort of problem with > rust as we do from fungus. If you'd like to make your own dry cabinet > you can get various small electrical resistance heaters designed for gun > cabinets for about $20 (or $35 if you buy in the wrong place :-)) > Goldenrod is a popular name: > > Browning also makes one which is flexible to fit in smaller spaces and > also has an LED to indicate if the unit is turned on. > > > The Goldenrod is available in two lengths; 12" and 8 watts to protect up > to 100 cubic feet and 18" and 12 watts for up to 200 cubic feet. > Several years ago I was going to build a dry cabinet using a 13 watt > compact fluorescent bulb as the heater but abandoned it as unnecessary > since I've never had a fungus problem in my air conditioned houses. > > In my Florida place (and something I've not seen elsewhere) the air > conditioner is controlled both by temperature and humidity in what > appears to be a sort of AND circuit. It appears that power to the > thermostat passes first through a separate humidistat. Regardless of > temperature the air conditioner will not turn on unless the relative > humidity is higher than the setting on the humidistat dial or unless the > humidistat's dial is set to "off". This is a good arrangement for > snowbirds where we're not present during the summer and don't care what > the temperature is as long as the humidity is not high enough to cause > damage. But for normal summer time living I'd like to have an OR > arrangement with the humidistat. If the temperature is above a certain > point OR the humidity is above a certain point (regardless of > temperature) turn on the air. To the best of my knowledge no such > household control exists. It's a bit frustrating since right next to my > heating/cooling thermostat is a humidistat. However, the humidistat > only controls the humidifier on the furnace. It would be nice to let it > work with the A/C as well. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 20:53:12 2010 Received: (qmail 128 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 18:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 18:53:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281AFE180A8 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F70AE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FBFE47209 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79CEE47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100605185305.XKXK27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:53:05 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id SK4k1e00A233qdw02K4kah; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:04:44 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=VIV8s6Vk3r610lk264AA:9 a=on7bxIiVDWd4Q_z560sA:7 a=zrAKQnbAh4Ws4g53sPxrtHsrlSwA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=smao-IUcsUcSO2ap:21 a=ylUn2dLyUCCQK58j:21 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za><4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 20:53:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0a9d18309741234514069 I find it interesting that the OM system didn't per se produce any badly-built lenses. Perhaps just a different era? > Dawid, Jackpot! would you like to try for the big prize? Along with the advent of wonderbricks, lenses were a victim of a new time. The camera companies had realized that they were spending too much money for no real purpose. A great example is the reasearch discribing how most buy an entry level slr and the kit zoom never is removed, leading to plastic lens mounts. At the same time, plastic technology had given us things like high strength plastics, means to control shrinkage in manufacturing, and, last but least, plastic elements. Engineering and cost control hit a high note then. Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from Cosina. Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese producer of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and it is a real pleasure, a trip back in time! Billl Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 21:37:59 2010 Received: (qmail 1426 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 19:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 19:37:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70705E180C3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC81E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AF234AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E863534AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p9DqPA+16692M+eMIxlhFGv4owfx+Lo7Niv9nL2GcYg= c=1 sm=0 a=13WhIXy6uVMA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=2cWi1DjqmJmS6Sdr6HcA:9 a=Xp_sk1UeYAcAu28R2prjh4IxYLcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=aEzAW-jTfeQZbfnk:21 a=SLP-x-YPiWeog4tI:21 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:35404] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 44/31-03181-987AA0C4; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:37:45 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:37:45 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 21:37:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0aa797164222517112723 Those bluebells are pretty spectacular. And quite the challenge, I'm guessing. Points of focus are hard to choose in scenes such as those bluebell shots. Really, ultra-wide for depth of field, then crop? Just don't print too big. Or selective focus. Four or five shots with focus in different places. There's software to put it all together, or you can do it the old fashioned way in PS by stacking and erasing, stacking and erasing. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > In answer to the lovely collection by Philippe, here are a few from > our garden last week. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko/100069 > > Unfortunately the 35/3.5 will not autofocus on my GF-1, so these are > from my E-3. Because it's such a light lens, the E-3 feels quite > compact. And it's always a pleasure to use a prime lens instead of > a zoom. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome, including better ways > to choose a point of focus, perhaps ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:34:57 2010 Received: (qmail 29063 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:34:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE787E180CA for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C854E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814334AC028 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C839134AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55LYibx004867 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:34:48 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:34:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac30110505368819438 Hi Chris, I've been contemplating the purchase of a 35/3.5 to use with my E-510 body as a walk-around camera. Since the E-510 is smaller than the E-3, and my E-1, I felt that the 510/35 would make a very compact rig. As to focus, I have heard that autofocus is not the strong suit for that lens, because it can hunt through a wide focus range to find proper focus. How do you feel about it? Nice photos, by the way. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots > In answer to the lovely collection by Philippe, here are a few from our > garden last week. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko/100069 > > Unfortunately the 35/3.5 will not autofocus on my GF-1, so these are from > my E-3. Because it's such a light lens, the E-3 feels quite compact. And > it's always a pleasure to use a prime lens instead of a zoom. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome, including better ways to > choose a point of focus, perhaps ... > > Chris > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:44:11 2010 Received: (qmail 6041 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:44:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB3BE18087 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B60E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4B2E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495FFE47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9361 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 21:44:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:44:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac52b224869730998309 My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new cable modem with VoIP capability. On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the printers connected to the desktop machine. To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I suppose. I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself is unsuccessful. All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN structure but can't communicate with the laptop. Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:49:37 2010 Received: (qmail 9660 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:49:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EEFE180AB for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C5EE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541F3E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:49:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DACE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11508 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 21:49:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:49:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac671327661234514069 Beyond grabbing your finger is probably beyond the call of duty! :-) It's not important. It was just idle curiosity. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > I tried a photo at minimum distance with the 60 Macro, and tried viewing the > blade itself with my loupe. There is nothing that I can see with the > equipment I have available. > > However, if I feel the edge carefully, I can feel it grab my finger. That's > all I can do for now. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Johnson Grass > > >> Nice shot. It would be interesting to see a high magnification shot of >> the edge of the blade. I wonder if it looks like sawgrass (which is not >> so subtle that one needs a magnfier). But sawgrass is a sedge, not a >> grass. Johnson grass is not a sedge. >> >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Chris Barker wrote: >>> I bet it makes a good sound as a reed between the thumbs, Jim. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris >>> On 5 Jun 2010, at 03:50, Jim Nichols wrote: >>> >>>> I learned as a child that this imported grass makes fine hay, but the >>>> edge of the blade will slice a finger like a knife. I was attracted to >>>> the color and the curves of the blades. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Johnson+Grass.jpg.html >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:55:43 2010 Received: (qmail 3288 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:55:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813D9E180A3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99323E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733ADE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E68E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55LtUb9006253 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:55:34 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:55:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac7df220091342116753 Chuck, Just a random thought. From reading your words, I gather that the main problem is the laptop's ability to communicate properly. Do you have another cable that you can try, in connecting the laptop to the router? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes > My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) > attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new > cable modem with VoIP capability. > > On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and > more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in > place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection > plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new > phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went > on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the > Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times > before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired > connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using > just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to > use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the > printers connected to the desktop machine. > > To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines > working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for > completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how > either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose > "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some > relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I > suppose. > > I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no > avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that > both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with > the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN > but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility > to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the > firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which > are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by > address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by > address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with > the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by > address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the > address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself > is unsuccessful. > > All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: > the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to > ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with > the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. > Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN > structure but can't communicate with the laptop. > > Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the > internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:57:33 2010 Received: (qmail 2852 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:57:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C98E180A1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE7BE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F5DE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4F7E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14631 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 21:56:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:57:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac84d233211342116753 It seems we've seen these bluebells before but they're still pretty. I like the giant poppies shot and the last 2 aquilegia even though they are a bit soft. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > In answer to the lovely collection by Philippe, here are a few from > our garden last week. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko/100069 > > Unfortunately the 35/3.5 will not autofocus on my GF-1, so these are > from my E-3. Because it's such a light lens, the E-3 feels quite > compact. And it's always a pleasure to use a prime lens instead of a > zoom. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome, including better ways > to choose a point of focus, perhaps ... > > Chris > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 5 23:59:11 2010 Received: (qmail 901 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 21:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 21:59:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0800E180A6 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C001CE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF8A34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5A634AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15454 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 21:58:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 5 23:59:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ac8af204367801554290 Does that mean that Cosina makes Tokina's lens barrels? Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > > Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from Cosina. > Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese producer > of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and it is a > real pleasure, a trip back in time! > > Billl Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 00:15:54 2010 Received: (qmail 18573 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 22:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 22:15:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2CE1809D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AABE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A9434AC02B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661EF34AC02E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23435 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 22:15:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 00:15:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0acc9a234315034211378 It can't be the cables since both machines talk just fine to the internet via the router. They just can't talk to each other in a normal fashion and the laptop is unable to even ping the desktop. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > Just a random thought. From reading your words, I gather that the main > problem is the laptop's ability to communicate properly. Do you have > another cable that you can try, in connecting the laptop to the router? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:44 PM > Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes > > >> My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) >> attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new >> cable modem with VoIP capability. >> >> On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and >> more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in >> place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection >> plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new >> phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went >> on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the >> Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times >> before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired >> connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using >> just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to >> use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the >> printers connected to the desktop machine. >> >> To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines >> working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for >> completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how >> either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose >> "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some >> relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I >> suppose. >> >> I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no >> avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that >> both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with >> the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN >> but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility >> to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the >> firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which >> are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by >> address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by >> address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with >> the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by >> address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the >> address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself >> is unsuccessful. >> >> All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: >> the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to >> ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with >> the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. >> Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN >> structure but can't communicate with the laptop. >> >> Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the >> internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 00:17:44 2010 Received: (qmail 1986 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ADDE1809D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCC2E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7AE34AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42EC34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100605221738.YFNL7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:17:38 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id SNVP1e007233qdw02NVPLi; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:29:23 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S7UQJJJVCEWYYNFx8feFTmADguCcs8bC1i5Fu6yESZc= c=1 sm=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=MBgdBc8fyk9LGiPECVAA:9 a=iEM-v0Nj16KOnGX6ba4A:7 a=LT2fTg_3hIiWohltcRvk3ojAGxYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <7CA7707C6E3345FF958677F0C0DFAB78@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za><4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com><10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> <4C0AC885.4090409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:17:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 00:17:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0acd08236201136683642 It's been years since I've seen a Tokina lens. Not a big item in most stores these days. If metal, there could be some common supplier. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos > Does that mean that Cosina makes Tokina's lens barrels? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Sue Pearce wrote: > >> >> Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from Cosina. >> Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese >> producer >> of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and it is >> a >> real pleasure, a trip back in time! >> >> Billl Pearce >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2919 - Release Date: 06/05/10 06:25:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 00:19:21 2010 Received: (qmail 14310 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 22:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 22:19:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E08EE180A4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F8AE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F0CE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A566E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so182526iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.196.220 with SMTP id eh28mr2632461ibb.198.1275776326567; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:18:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: B0ggwgE5t6syut3VKmfAIEWRj8Q Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 00:19:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0acd69152751612113968 You didn't plug the laptop into the WAN port of the router, did you? Pull up a dos prompt and do a ipconfig to see your ip address. All of the computers should be pulling a local private ip address usually starting as 10.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x addresses. If you haven't done so already, you should power EVERYTHING down and restart the modem, then the router and then the computers one at a time. Another thing to try after the above is to do a ipconfig /renew. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 00:22:50 2010 Received: (qmail 12642 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 22:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 22:22:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD4E180AA for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4A1E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54438E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD62E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o55MMfqJ029276 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:22:43 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0ACC90.6040801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 00:22:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ace3a229781357919056 Chuck, I don't know what type of cables you are using. My thought was that, perhaps, not all conductors in the cable are used for all functions. A bent pin might cause a problem with one function while not bothering another function. Just a thought. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes > It can't be the cables since both machines talk just fine to the > internet via the router. They just can't talk to each other in a normal > fashion and the laptop is unable to even ping the desktop. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Just a random thought. From reading your words, I gather that the main >> problem is the laptop's ability to communicate properly. Do you have >> another cable that you can try, in connecting the laptop to the router? >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus mail list" >> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:44 PM >> Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes >> >> >>> My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) >>> attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new >>> cable modem with VoIP capability. >>> >>> On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and >>> more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in >>> place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection >>> plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new >>> phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went >>> on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the >>> Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times >>> before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired >>> connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using >>> just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to >>> use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the >>> printers connected to the desktop machine. >>> >>> To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines >>> working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for >>> completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how >>> either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose >>> "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some >>> relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I >>> suppose. >>> >>> I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no >>> avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that >>> both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with >>> the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN >>> but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility >>> to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the >>> firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which >>> are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by >>> address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by >>> address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with >>> the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by >>> address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the >>> address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself >>> is unsuccessful. >>> >>> All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: >>> the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to >>> ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with >>> the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. >>> Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN >>> structure but can't communicate with the laptop. >>> >>> Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the >>> internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 00:26:22 2010 Received: (qmail 955 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 22:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 22:26:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FDE1809F for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D426E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FFD34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAF234AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so185446iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.169.131 with SMTP id z3mr3407333iby.48.1275776777900; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C0AC885.4090409@chucknorcutt.com> References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za> <4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> <4C0AC885.4090409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:26:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UM3tPVadh-EnI2PCHzWVA5gxOXk Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 00:26:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0acf0e110671073733319 I think you would be shocked to learn what all Cosina makes. Like Microsoft, that company is imbedded everywhere. In the research vie done on that company for a possible article, I'm pretty well convinced that in ten years that company if it chooses to will be the biggest player in the photo industry. AG On Saturday, June 5, 2010, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Does that mean that Cosina makes Tokina's lens barrels? > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:14:18 2010 Received: (qmail 17999 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:14:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E45EE180B6 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02507E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6C4E47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:14:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28287E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:14:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19927 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2010 23:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.148.252) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:14:08 -0000 Message-Id: <2818954C-A921-4A8C-BA5B-2F9B4613AFC7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:14:06 +1000 References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za><4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:14:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ada4a226901357919056 Basically it was AF that caused the shift . Micro motors can't drive heavy components. And big ring motors are expensive. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/06/2010, at 4:52 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from > Cosina. > Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese > producer > of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and > it is a > real pleasure, a trip back in time! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:25:52 2010 Received: (qmail 23324 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:25:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4035DE1808A for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5910EE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7C034AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE72C34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so609381gwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.194.31 with SMTP id w31mr13277995anp.23.1275780341072; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwbeb26398ea43 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f6sm14916958anb.6.2010.06.05.16.25.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0ACC90.6040801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 00:25:31 +0100 Message-ID: <5EBCAEE092A64C9F88A23D44A53E047F@dwbeb26398ea43> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <4C0ACC90.6040801@chucknorcutt.com> Thread-Index: AcsE/Klej6aI0epBQC6aGXKt8Zex6QACLdMg Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:25:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0add00158025368819438 If both machines are talking to the internet independently does that not suggest that a lan does not exist but the router is configured (or has configured itself) to be a common internet access. If both machines were networked would the internet access not require to be through the "server" machine? I'm not an expert , just seem to have hit problems like yours and been baffled by explanations. Ignore if this causes further confusion. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: 05 June 2010 23:16 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes It can't be the cables since both machines talk just fine to the internet via the router. They just can't talk to each other in a normal fashion and the laptop is unable to even ping the desktop. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > Just a random thought. From reading your words, I gather that the main > problem is the laptop's ability to communicate properly. Do you have > another cable that you can try, in connecting the laptop to the router? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:44 PM > Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes > > >> My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) >> attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new >> cable modem with VoIP capability. >> >> On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and >> more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in >> place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection >> plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new >> phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went >> on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the >> Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times >> before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired >> connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using >> just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to >> use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the >> printers connected to the desktop machine. >> >> To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines >> working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for >> completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how >> either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose >> "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some >> relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I >> suppose. >> >> I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no >> avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that >> both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with >> the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN >> but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility >> to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the >> firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which >> are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by >> address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by >> address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with >> the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by >> address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the >> address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself >> is unsuccessful. >> >> All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: >> the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to >> ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with >> the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. >> Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN >> structure but can't communicate with the laptop. >> >> Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the >> internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:40:33 2010 Received: (qmail 4321 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A127EE180A7 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA113E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72D134AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8582734AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so213957iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.147.18 with SMTP id j18mr4344079ibv.12.1275781226551; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm12666685ibg.3.2010.06.05.16.40.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:42:45 -0500 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:40:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae07117662517112723 That is amusing! I'm currently looking at a facsimile of Shakespeare's first folio where "Love's Labour's Lost" is written "Loues Labour's lost" -- my recollection is that the possessive apostrophe is often omitted in Elizabethan English, whereas the apostrophe to indicate an ellipsis is often included, though not always. As Ben Franklin discovered a couple centuries later, printers/typesetters in England drank throughout the day, but I don't think that explains away all of the peculiarities. But one can make do without a good many apostrophes if necessary (though I am not advocating that). Joel W. On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Excellent, John! > > Further to Piers's point a few days ago, I reckon that most of what we are losing in the language is important for one reason or another; and there is no replacement for the apostrophe ... > > It's the number of a subject that's one of my bugbears at the moment: "none", "neither" etc ... > > Chris > > On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:46, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > >> As an example of why the possessive apostrophe is still a necessity, Simon Carr's political sketch has no equal. he wrote, >> "Peter Lilley's wife tried to get into a Downing Street function saying, 'I'm one of the ministers' wives', The policeman: 'I couldn't let you in if you were the minister's only wife'." It's wonderful, but without the possessive apostrophe it would have been rendered meaningless. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:49:43 2010 Received: (qmail 18229 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:49:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9A3E1809D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515FFE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE4FE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFB2E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so217402iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.60.7 with SMTP id n7mr15447384ibh.60.1275781777630; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r12sm12698472ibi.2.2010.06.05.16.49.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:51:57 -0500 Subject: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:49:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae297166691234514069 I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. The app is ReaddleDocs. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:53:47 2010 Received: (qmail 13504 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:53:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78106E180A4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BF8E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1C3E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00731E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3958 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 23:53:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2010 23:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0AE383.5090708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:53:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:53:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae38b112382517112723 Nope. Already been there. There were no plug changes on the router at all. The router's WAN port to modem cable was unplugged and replugged at the modem. IP addresses are clearly local as: 192.168.10.x where x is 1, 2, 3 or 4 with 4 assigned to the laptop's radio link if it's active. When I discovered the LAN wasn't working I reset the router, then later powered it down and up and finally moved the cables from the computers to alternate ports on the router. All with no effect. I have not tried powering everything down and then back up sequentially as you suggest but I'll try it. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > You didn't plug the laptop into the WAN port of the router, did you? > Pull up a dos prompt and do a ipconfig to see your ip address. All of > the computers should be pulling a local private ip address usually > starting as 10.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x addresses. If you haven't done so > already, you should power EVERYTHING down and restart the modem, then > the router and then the computers one at a time. > > Another thing to try after the above is to do a ipconfig /renew. > > AG > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 01:59:22 2010 Received: (qmail 31917 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2010 23:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 23:59:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9355E180C3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC63E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF832E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F162E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6274 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jun 2010 23:59:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2010 23:59:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0AE4D1.8010500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:59:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0ACC90.6040801@chucknorcutt.com> <5EBCAEE092A64C9F88A23D44A53E047F@dwbeb26398ea43> In-Reply-To: <5EBCAEE092A64C9F88A23D44A53E047F@dwbeb26398ea43> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 01:59:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae4da270782517112723 There isn't really a "server". A Microsoft network is a "peer to peer" network rather than a client/server network. The common connection for the computers is through the router... to each other and to the internet through the router's WAN port and out to the world via the modem. AFAIK the existence of the working internet connections tells me that the electrical connections for a LAN are there. But it also takes software configuration to make everything work. Chuck Norcutt deebel wrote: > If both machines are talking to the internet independently does that not > suggest that a lan does not exist but the router is configured (or has > configured itself) to be a common internet access. If both machines were > networked would the internet access not require to be through the "server" > machine? > > I'm not an expert , just seem to have hit problems like yours and been > baffled by explanations. Ignore if this causes further confusion. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: 05 June 2010 23:16 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes > > It can't be the cables since both machines talk just fine to the > internet via the router. They just can't talk to each other in a normal > fashion and the laptop is unable to even ping the desktop. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Just a random thought. From reading your words, I gather that the main >> problem is the laptop's ability to communicate properly. Do you have >> another cable that you can try, in connecting the laptop to the router? >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus mail list" >> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:44 PM >> Subject: [OM] [OT] LAN woes >> >> >>> My little LAN is composed of just two computers (a desktop and a laptop) >>> attached (by wire) to a wireless capable router and thence to a new >>> cable modem with VoIP capability. >>> >>> On Friday last I installed the new cable modem along with some new and >>> more modern phones. All was uneventful. The new modem just plugged in >>> place of the old modem and worked off the bat. The VoIP connection >>> plugged into the house wiring and also worked fine as did the new >>> phones. The next day the laptop was unplugged from its wire and we went >>> on a weekend trip where the radio on the laptop was enabled to use the >>> Wi-Fi in the hotel. Also worked just as expected as it has many times >>> before. After we returned the laptop was replugged to its wired >>> connection and the radio turned off. All was well for a few days using >>> just the internet on both machines. That is, until my wife attempted to >>> use the LAN by trying to print something from the laptop to one of the >>> printers connected to the desktop machine. >>> >>> To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines >>> working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for >>> completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how >>> either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose >>> "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some >>> relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I >>> suppose. >>> >>> I have tried to setup the LAN all over again on both machines to no >>> avail. The desktop knows and can access the LAN by name and sees that >>> both machines (by name) are part of the LAN but can't communicate with >>> the laptop. The laptop is even weirder. It knows the name of the LAN >>> but complains that it has no access to that name and thus no visibility >>> to the name of the desktop as part of the LAN. I have disabled the >>> firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which >>> are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by >>> address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by >>> address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with >>> the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by >>> address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the >>> address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself >>> is unsuccessful. >>> >>> All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: >>> the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to >>> ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with >>> the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. >>> Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN >>> structure but can't communicate with the laptop. >>> >>> Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the >>> internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:14:26 2010 Received: (qmail 12437 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:14:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B17E1809B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D8BE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C1E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B72E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13358 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 00:14:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:14:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae86257112439112457 They're a big item with Chuck! :-) My two main Canon AF lenses are Tokina ATX-Pro... 28-80/2.8 and 80-200/2.8. All ATX-Pro (and I think ATX as well) are heavy, metal bodied lenes and very rugged. But Tokina hasn't made any new full-frame lenses for quite some time and they're being discontinued as the old stocks run out. However, there are a fair number of new lenses in APS-C format which also include the ATX-Pro line. APS-C format lenses are further designated as DX. The 100mm and 80-400 in the link below are the last remaining Tokina full-frame lenses. The D in their designation means an optical reformulation for digital, probably sensor reflection reduction. And here is where all the full-frame lenses have gone to die. The "archive". Not a complete history though. That would be nice. You can find a plastic ring for the hood's bayonet mount but otherwise the Tokina lenses are all metal and glass. But my two Tamrons (20-40 and 24-135) are much lighter (and slower) but more useful for daylight walking around. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > It's been years since I've seen a Tokina lens. Not a big item in most stores > these days. If metal, there could be some common supplier. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos > > >> Does that mean that Cosina makes Tokina's lens barrels? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Sue Pearce wrote: >> >>> Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from Cosina. >>> Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese >>> producer >>> of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and it is >>> a >>> real pleasure, a trip back in time! >>> >>> Billl Pearce >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2919 - Release Date: 06/05/10 > 06:25:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:16:26 2010 Received: (qmail 4498 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF345E1809A for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1560BE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1472734AC027 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E6834AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14077 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 00:16:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jun 2010 00:16:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0AE8CE.6010208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:16:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <938A557B-CF98-44B4-938E-B1AF0DD70AE8@solms.co.za><4C088FC9.2000202@gmail.com> <596392.65660.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <10119F6A3D8C4BDCAAB5E325D502AFC0@SueHome> <2818954C-A921-4A8C-BA5B-2F9B4613AFC7@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2818954C-A921-4A8C-BA5B-2F9B4613AFC7@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Microcosmos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:16:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ae8da44892013633067 Yes, you can tell that the Tokina 80-200/2.8 is working hard when asked to focus but it does get the job done. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Basically it was AF that caused the shift . Micro motors can't drive > heavy components. And big ring motors are expensive. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/06/2010, at 4:52 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> Oly tried to give us cheaper options with lenses and a body from >> Cosina. >> Look how things have changed there! Cosina is now the only Japanese >> producer >> of high quality metal barrelled lenses. I'v got the M mount 15, and >> it is a >> real pleasure, a trip back in time! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:22:28 2010 Received: (qmail 13677 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:22:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06462E18095 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010E7E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D1234AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61B134AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3K00BXLH8LY9Y0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:26:45 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAMqGCkwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACId5ZPvS0OgkuCPgSHBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,369,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="772328500" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:22:20 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:22:20 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7249 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:22:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0aea4489621357919056 Lilley's wife should have said: " I am the wife of one the ministers ......." or better still " I am Mrs Lilley, wife of Peter Lilley, a government minister who is at the Number 10 function presently in progress. I have an invitation; here is my identity and the invitation....." Mrs Lilley's rather misleading choice of words got her into trouble ! Mr Plod did the right thing. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN DUGGAN" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. > Quote from the Independent Wed 1-6-2010 > > As an example of why the possessive apostrophe is still a necessity, Simon > Carr's political sketch has no equal. he wrote, > "Peter Lilley's wife tried to get into a Downing Street function saying, > 'I'm one of the ministers' wives', The policeman: 'I couldn't let you in > if you were the minister's only wife'." It's wonderful, but without the > possessive apostrophe it would have been rendered meaningless. > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > .................................................................................................................................................................................................... > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Wayne Harridge > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Sent: Friday, 4 June, 2010 6:42:36 > Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad (was "Which Grad ND system if any do you like?") > > > > > >> Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> >> P.S. I hate having to go to the number screen to get an apostrophe >> when the autocorrect gets derailed. Methinks Chris will not approve >> that omission. >> -- > > Pretty s'oon nobody will use apostroffe's anyhow ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5175 (20100605) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5175 (20100605) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:24:18 2010 Received: (qmail 28817 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:24:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD4DE180B2 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AF5E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51981E47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC69E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so230351iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.157.73 with SMTP id a9mr2674770ibx.123.1275783795496; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:23:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MUwchTTLVXXkBtnmgf79niiBXc4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:24:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0aeab2153662517112723 I'm not sure I've found that one killer app yet, but I'm getting close. As brilliant as the iPad is in some things, it has to be one of the most brain dead devices around. Even my 10 year old palm pilot is superior in some regards. There was a reason why we bought palm centros rather than iPhones. AG On Saturday, June 5, 2010, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a= network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Place= s on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. =A0Even permit= s directories and folder structure. =A0No need to sync to the dreaded iTune= s. =A0This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. Th= e app is ReaddleDocs. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:42:34 2010 Received: (qmail 9037 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A548E18089 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA96E240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC2EE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDE4E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so237558iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.122.16 with SMTP id j16mr2650555ibr.178.1275784949611; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:42:29 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2hRx7PVDN-lPaluvuCZ8rGZGQOo Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:42:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0aeefa119011234514069 As a "wife" of a minister myself, I'm interested in knowing how those apostrophes are supposed to go. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 02:59:04 2010 Received: (qmail 7787 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 00:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 00:59:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8426DE180A0 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0741DE240E5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F285534AC029 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75E634AC028 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca (mta01.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-12.01 64bit (built Oct 15 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3K00AB5IQFJA01@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:59:03 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEADqPCkwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACId5ZPvSQOhQkEhwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,369,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="759414833" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:58:57 -0300 Message-id: <31AE17176CAB4F83A70769D7DB4F6443@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:58:58 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7249 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 02:59:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0af2d8153736107113666 " I am Pastor Norton's husband ..." or, perhaps, " I am Reverend Norton's husband...." Both sound eminently suitable descriptions. What's not to like ! In the church of my upbringing, the local vicar's family would have been addressed as ' The Reverend and Mrs Norton, and family ' ' The Reverend and Mr Norton, and family ' has a nice ring to it as well and it puts the lady of the house in top spot .! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. > As a "wife" of a minister myself, I'm interested in knowing how those > apostrophes are supposed to go. > > AG > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5175 (20100605) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5175 (20100605) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 04:15:08 2010 Received: (qmail 20316 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 02:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 02:15:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7AFE180A5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5C6E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9381CE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CD2E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so272382iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.82 with SMTP id k18mr2805961ibh.106.1275790501487; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t28sm13215619ibg.6.2010.06.05.19.14.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <01EA2A97-DE44-4248-BCAF-14E14BF8CA6A@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:17:22 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 04:15:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b04ac234001006886880 I'm just very glad it is not a phone at all. And Ken only you can manage to put brilliant and brain dead together in the same sentence WRT the same thing! Joel W. On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > I'm not sure I've found that one killer app yet, but I'm getting > close. As brilliant as the iPad is in some things, it has to be one of > the most brain dead devices around. Even my 10 year old palm pilot is > superior in some regards. There was a reason why we bought palm > centros rather than iPhones. > > AG > > On Saturday, June 5, 2010, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. The app is ReaddleDocs. >> >> Joel > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 05:02:30 2010 Received: (qmail 30191 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEBCE180AC for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74397E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709F9E47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC73E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87076 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2010 03:02:25 -0000 Message-ID: <143710.86505.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DwBe9zUVM1ntW4WVj5hex2985AlC6ifkW0UPj..3.GpUmVY FBN9ZYSyltEIKENyhCzGgu0AsgogqhCTjETbP6NEliW17C78pfd9DrixmOAs 4Kzcr3gNBSLAfm2OSmsbitdkHHZxsdwlPCP49MOyxw442bnv051_noULXaI. tMCXv6S5fnDwo0ylupAegKWboqckfc83JNDBOd9d5fkKI14B_pQ3HjXUBSiu vw7UJ_MxMgDnKJHrK27gfxtbmgU4wZ0RAo8jjTZeimJX2mPqZxg-- Received: from [173.64.13.137] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:02:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <01EA2A97-DE44-4248-BCAF-14E14BF8CA6A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 05:02:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b0fc640136107113666 It is meant to consume content not create it. > > > > I'm not sure I've found that one killer app yet, but > I'm getting > > close. As brilliant as the iPad is in some things, it > has to be one of > > the most brain dead devices around. Even my 10 year > old palm pilot is > > superior in some regards. There was a reason why we > bought palm > > centros rather than iPhones. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 06:10:28 2010 Received: (qmail 19063 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 04:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 04:10:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A91E180BF for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB4AE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B499E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E5DE47209 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so314823iwn.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.168.129 with SMTP id u1mr15649391iby.49.1275797421938; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:10:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01EA2A97-DE44-4248-BCAF-14E14BF8CA6A@gmail.com> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <01EA2A97-DE44-4248-BCAF-14E14BF8CA6A@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:10:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: N0-M5WnTKf1wk8ALYFuKICLJLqA Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 06:10:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b1fb4184081006886880 It's a gift. AG On Saturday, June 5, 2010, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I'm just very glad it is not a phone at all. =A0And Ken only you can mana= ge to put brilliant and brain dead together in the same sentence WRT the sa= me thing! -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 06:40:28 2010 Received: (qmail 22112 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 04:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 04:40:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248B2E180AC for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD10AE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4194E47208 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B6E47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E0A12001D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:18 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7FC12001F for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:18 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0082116E9C for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:17 +0930 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D6A116E9B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:17 +0930 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E56A4EBC3D; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:10:16 +0930 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100606044016.GA59127@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.130 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:21096 -> 74.114.88.34:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 7f1aac1ffe054c0b26b66639b0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 06:40:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b26bc109231612113968 On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 05:44:02PM -0400, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > All of this, as written, is probably a bit confusing so, to summarize: > the only anomaly of the ping commands is that the laptop's attempts to > ping the desktop are unsuccessful. That probably goes hand-in-hand with > the laptop's failure to see the desktop as part of the LAN structure. > Finally the desktop can ping anything successfully and sees the LAN > structure but can't communicate with the laptop. > > Does any of this make any sense? If it weren't for the fact that the > internet works fine I'd be blaming some network hardware. > > Chuck Norcutt Hi Chuck, I have seen symptoms like this when a device's subnet mask is incorrect, this sets the broadcast address for the LAN, Netbios is a broadcast based protocol as are essential things like ARP which is used to determine hardware (MAC) address<->IP address. This would also normally inhibit access to the internet, as the default gateway would be unreachable, however, router type devices are often set up to do 'proxy arp', which will return it's own MAC address for any IP it considers to be off-net in response to requests. After you have been browsing the 'net for a while 'arp -a' (from a command prompt) will show mac addresses for things other than local machines- many of them will be the same. If things are correct, the command should return only hardware addresses for the devices in question. My own personal favourite subnet mask error is 225.225.225.0 (I do that all the time) ;) Of course all of this is moot if you have the 'assign IP automatically' button set... good luck, davidt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 06:47:57 2010 Received: (qmail 23231 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 04:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 04:47:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF4FE180A6 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57884E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A922E47207 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 06:47:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b287d133313900897491 On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 02:10:16PM +0930, David Thatcher wrote: > If things are correct, the command should return > only hardware addresses for the devices in question. that should read: "If things are correct, the command should return only hardware addresses for the local LAN devices in question" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 07:13:00 2010 Received: (qmail 21730 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 05:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so1782867gyg.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.245.17 with SMTP id s17mr13779373anh.172.1275801170775; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.173.14 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Scott Gomez To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 07:13:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b2e5c282661879814018 Some ideas: Make sure internet connection sharing is not on on either of the computers. Make sure there is one source for DHCP, and it's the ONLY source of DHCP on your LAN. It's usualyy "standard" to have the router *get* it's WAN addressing via DHCP from you ISP, and to *provide* DHCP to all your LAN devices. Ensure there's no accidental incorrect gateway address. Both the computers should have a gateway address that's the router's *internal* address. In your case it looks like it should be 192.168.10.1. Make sure every system is getting DNS from the same place. Check netmasks as suggested elsewhere. Run: ipconfig /all | more on Windows boxen to see if the settings are correct for each network connection on each box. It'll likely be most interesting on the laptop, where I expect something is not correct. The problem is almost certainly due to a change in the laptop, as you can still ping the laptop from the desktop machine. My suspicion is that the laptop is failing, for some reason, to switch off the wireless and switch completely back to the wired connection, and that the wireless connection, as a result of the use outside your LAN, is wrong somewhere. That would explain the good ping of the laptop from the desktop (it's communicating wired only) but no good communication from the laptop to the desktop. I've seen this happen on a number of laptops. Check that the wired connection is enabled, and if necessary, temporarily disable the wireless connection to try and force the switch. Also triple-check the wireless connection to see that it has NOT somehow retained one of the settings for the foreign network you were on in the hotel. --- Scott Gomez On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I have disabled the > firewalls on both machines to no avail. I have tried ping tests which > are also strange. The desktop can successfully ping the router by > address and can also ping the laptop and itself by NetBIOS name and by > address. That seems very strange given that it can't communicate with > the laptop normally. The laptop can communicate with the router by > address and with itself by name and by address. It can discover the > address of the desktop when told to ping it by name but the ping itself > is unsuccessful. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:01:43 2010 Received: (qmail 23920 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:01:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74E3E180A5 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142E2E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CAC34AC029 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9317A34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1947725wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.138 with SMTP id f10mr12331159wbt.37.1275804094754; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm176510wbc.23.2010.06.05.23.01.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:01:33 +0100 Message-Id: <26442A61-5C7F-4A4E-9DDF-64AA999FCE74@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:01:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b39c7105201744846740 Thanks, Jim. It does hunt, but only because you probably have a long focus to find with the slightest movement of the lens, one moment on the near stamen of a flower, the next on a distant leaf. I've always found it to be pretty speedy except when the focus has to move a long way; but once you are in the region it's almost instant. Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 22:34, Jim Nichols wrote: > I've been contemplating the purchase of a 35/3.5 to use with my E-510 body > as a walk-around camera. Since the E-510 is smaller than the E-3, and my > E-1, I felt that the 510/35 would make a very compact rig. As to focus, I > have heard that autofocus is not the strong suit for that lens, because it > can hunt through a wide focus range to find proper focus. How do you feel > about it? > > Nice photos, by the way. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:03:27 2010 Received: (qmail 2628 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:03:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4018EE18089 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF57BE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5A5E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F22E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1919319wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.143.200 with SMTP id w8mr12694845wbu.9.1275804176812; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm25831554wbv.0.2010.06.05.23.02.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0AC824.2060304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:02:55 +0100 Message-Id: <3EEE2011-1756-4855-849A-62EBADC7CFDD@threeshoes.net> References: <4C0AC824.2060304@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:03:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3a2f165401234514069 Thanks, Chuck. I was undecided about what to focus on for the aquilegias, especially as it was a windy day. I also upped the exposure in Aperture to make them higher key than normally I produce. Cheers Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 22:56, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It seems we've seen these bluebells before but they're still pretty. I > like the giant poppies shot and the last 2 aquilegia even though they > are a bit soft. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:05:04 2010 Received: (qmail 6402 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:05:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F99DE18095 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAD6E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E917434AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8051C3610001 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1919606wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.73 with SMTP id q9mr12178568wbt.213.1275804270331; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm25780354wby.22.2010.06.05.23.04.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:04:28 +0100 Message-Id: <806C7B55-A510-491E-9B8A-C757615C78AC@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:05:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3a90104341357919056 Thanks, Bob. Bluebells are easy to photograph, but difficult to make a bit special. I'll have a go at that idea of different points of focus, but that was a windy day and nothing would have been in the same place from shot to shot. Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 20:37, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Those bluebells are pretty spectacular. And quite the challenge, I'm > guessing. > > Points of focus are hard to choose in scenes such as those bluebell > shots. Really, ultra-wide for depth of field, then crop? Just don't > print too big. > > Or selective focus. Four or five shots with focus in different places. > There's software to put it all together, or you can do it the old > fashioned way in PS by stacking and erasing, stacking and erasing. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:06:38 2010 Received: (qmail 21409 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:06:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C983E18092 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4433E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E362C34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A55C34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1948549wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.77 with SMTP id b13mr12608959wbw.13.1275804349341; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm25819463wbd.13.2010.06.05.23.05.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:05:47 +0100 Message-Id: <8956FF88-6347-48C4-A092-FB22CE4D66DF@threeshoes.net> References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:06:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3aee148964877110844 :-) Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 01:42, Ken Norton wrote: > As a "wife" of a minister myself, I'm interested in knowing how those > apostrophes are supposed to go. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:08:13 2010 Received: (qmail 4803 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:08:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D23BE18085 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48EEE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9633E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5AE47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1948912wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.18 with SMTP id d18mr12477526wbt.186.1275804459890; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm25848056wba.3.2010.06.05.23.07.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:07:38 +0100 Message-Id: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:08:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3b4d85231612113968 Great! Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac network ... :-) Chris (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. The app is ReaddleDocs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:09:46 2010 Received: (qmail 5352 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAB9E180B3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77753E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C13E47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0433FE47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5668kL6012837 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:08:49 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <26442A61-5C7F-4A4E-9DDF-64AA999FCE74@threeshoes.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 01:08:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:09:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3baa119571560218263 Thanks for the feedback, Chris. Sounds like it is worth a try. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots > Thanks, Jim. > > It does hunt, but only because you probably have a long focus to find with > the slightest movement of the lens, one moment on the near stamen of a > flower, the next on a distant leaf. I've always found it to be pretty > speedy except when the focus has to move a long way; but once you are in > the region it's almost instant. > > Chris > > On 5 Jun 2010, at 22:34, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I've been contemplating the purchase of a 35/3.5 to use with my E-510 >> body >> as a walk-around camera. Since the E-510 is smaller than the E-3, and my >> E-1, I felt that the 510/35 would make a very compact rig. As to focus, >> I >> have heard that autofocus is not the strong suit for that lens, because >> it >> can hunt through a wide focus range to find proper focus. How do you >> feel >> about it? >> >> Nice photos, by the way. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:11:24 2010 Received: (qmail 31274 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:11:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0C0E180A8 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F24E2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855BBE47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F6FE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1949641wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.137 with SMTP id g9mr12395640wbs.58.1275804676091; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm25854345wbd.13.2010.06.05.23.11.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:11:14 +0100 Message-Id: <96B3B25C-B821-4147-993E-55FB152113B1@threeshoes.net> References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:11:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3c0c71471612113968 You do have a LAN if both computers are connected to the WAN through the gateway; it's just that the LAN isn't doing what you want. Strange ... Chris On 5 Jun 2010, at 22:44, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > To make a long story short I suddenly have no LAN despite both machines > working normally on the internet. I related all the preceding for > completeness of "changes" to the configuration although I don't see how > either of those things could cause the problem I see. And I suppose > "suddenly" is a misnomer since we rarely use the LAN except for some > relatively rare printing. The problem could have been there for weeks I > suppose. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:14:54 2010 Received: (qmail 11514 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:14:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77A1E180B8 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A00DE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17B2E47207 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE9AE47204 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so1950379wwb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.132 with SMTP id z4mr3703241wbu.70.1275804888121; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm261470wbc.5.2010.06.05.23.14.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <20100606044016.GA59127@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:14:46 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> <20100606044016.GA59127@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:14:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3cde131429730998309 It can still be a problem, David and Chuck. Even if you have DHCP running (allocated by the gateway), the subnet mask can be wrong and inhibit connection. Indeed, DHCP can cause the problem and you sometimes have to allocate IP addresses and masks manually. So, it's worth checking that each component of the LAN is using the same subnet mask (mine is 255.255.255.0) Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 05:40, David Thatcher wrote: > My own personal favourite subnet mask error is 225.225.225.0 (I do that > all the time) ;) > > Of course all of this is moot if you have the 'assign IP automatically' > button set... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 08:16:28 2010 Received: (qmail 8045 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 06:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 06:16:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78672E180A1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D878FE2410B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47CBE47203 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACE1E47201 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1922082wyb.20 for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.143 with SMTP id g15mr2672181wbw.98.1275804976188; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm270849wbc.23.2010.06.05.23.16.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:16:14 +0100 Message-Id: <58801891-A08D-4C1C-8A6D-D901A9E7E952@threeshoes.net> References: <26442A61-5C7F-4A4E-9DDF-64AA999FCE74@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 08:16:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b3d3c223011234514069 Hey, Jim, it's late over there. Time you were in bed :-) Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 07:08, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks for the feedback, Chris. Sounds like it is worth a try. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 13:50:20 2010 Received: (qmail 11457 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 11:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 11:50:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9267E180B4 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BE6E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6B3E47205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D9CE47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21622 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 11:50:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jun 2010 11:50:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0B8B6C.4030605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:50:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0AC522.5050705@chucknorcutt.com> <20100606044016.GA59127@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100605-1, 06/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] LAN woes have disappeared, was: LAN woes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 13:50:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0b8b7c198951946193717 The LAN has mysteriously healed itself after resting over night. The only thing I can see that's different this morning is that the laptop and desktop have exchanged addresses which I assume is controlled by the order in which they were booted this morning. Perhaps there's a heat related problem with one of the computers (most likely the laptop) since both were off over night while the router and modem remained powered on. I'll have to watch for that. If it recurs I'll power down the laptop to let it cool and see if that fixes things again. Thanks for the help. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > It can still be a problem, David and Chuck. Even if you have DHCP > running (allocated by the gateway), the subnet mask can be wrong and > inhibit connection. Indeed, DHCP can cause the problem and you > sometimes have to allocate IP addresses and masks manually. > > So, it's worth checking that each component of the LAN is using the > same subnet mask (mine is 255.255.255.0) > > Chris > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 05:40, David Thatcher wrote: > >> My own personal favourite subnet mask error is 225.225.225.0 (I do >> that all the time) ;) >> >> Of course all of this is moot if you have the 'assign IP >> automatically' button set... > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 15:27:50 2010 Received: (qmail 21545 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 13:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 13:27:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A53E180BA for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A6E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B1E34AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E087934AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:27:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.54.178.89]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3L00BDFHE7YUU0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C0BA249.7050807@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:27:37 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0A1369EF-1C53-48B1-8DF1-9EAE58255746@frozenlight.eu> In-reply-to: <0A1369EF-1C53-48B1-8DF1-9EAE58255746@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 20: first days in Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 15:27:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ba2565136789618724 You are really observant so there is a lot to like. Alt 16, 10 & 8 for me. Thanks, -- = Russ Butler (NJ USA) Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have finally processed enough pictures from May's trip to the US to be = able to post week 20 pictures, all from Boston/Cambridge. Hopefully, you wi= ll be amused by my vignettes from Cambridge, a transgender rally in Boston = and various se=F1oritas: > = > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D387 > = > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > = > Nathan -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 15:46:17 2010 Received: (qmail 14833 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 13:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 13:46:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B331CE180AD for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059DFE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB22934AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42C034AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.54.178.89]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3L00D7AI8YU6A0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:46:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C0BA69C.1020409@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:46:04 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 15:46:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ba6a9107656107113666 Chris, That's a very nice and well done set. My favorites are: Allium Schubertii, Spanish Oats, Allium Christophil, Aquilegla and the Iris. I don't do macro shots very often so can't provide any useful suggestions. Thanks, -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Chris Barker wrote: > In answer to the lovely collection by Philippe, here are a few from our garden last week. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko/100069 > > Unfortunately the 35/3.5 will not autofocus on my GF-1, so these are from my E-3. Because it's such a light lens, the E-3 feels quite compact. And it's always a pleasure to use a prime lens instead of a zoom. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome, including better ways to choose a point of focus, perhaps ... > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 16:27:26 2010 Received: (qmail 27063 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02367E180C1 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFC2E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAD0E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0810E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so524130iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.32.129 with SMTP id c1mr3229450ibd.112.1275834439313; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm15808392ibg.3.2010.06.06.07.27.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:41 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 16:27:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bb04e306392439112457 Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Great! Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac network ... :-) > > Chris > (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) > On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> >> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. The app is ReaddleDocs. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 16:33:33 2010 Received: (qmail 2865 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E3DE180B7 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B17E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E2834AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF23134AC028 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so527090iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.60.7 with SMTP id n7mr16044510ibh.60.1275834790792; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm15808379ibf.13.2010.06.06.07.33.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1788476B-5680-4F88-BFD4-BD7891EC8F63@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <143710.86505.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:35:34 -0500 References: <143710.86505.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 16:33:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bb1bd17509730998309 And that is about 98 percent fine with me. Joel W. On Jun 5, 2010, at 10:02 PM, AS wrote: > It is meant to consume content not create it. > > >> > >> >>> I'm not sure I've found that one killer app yet, but >> I'm getting >>> close. As brilliant as the iPad is in some things, it >> has to be one of >>> the most brain dead devices around. Even my 10 year >> old palm pilot is >>> superior in some regards. There was a reason why we >> bought palm >>> centros rather than iPhones. >>> > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 16:43:57 2010 Received: (qmail 25674 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 14:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 14:43:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978D3E1809C for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A48E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CE3E47205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5386E47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so532277iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.122.16 with SMTP id j16mr3202233ibr.178.1275835421234; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.138 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:43:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:43:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FZuTgIZjxbcK29U-UEXKv5CGb7E Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 16:43:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bb42d218421950411718 So, Joel, how is your Beemer? On Sunday, June 6, 2010, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. =A0In terms of consumerism,= owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that th= e neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. =A0Who doesn't want a = bit of that? =A0;P > > Joel W. > > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> Great! =A0Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac netwo= rk ... :-) >> >> Chris >> (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) >> On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like= a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Pla= ces on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. =A0Even perm= its directories and folder structure. =A0No need to sync to the dreaded iTu= nes. =A0This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. = The app is ReaddleDocs. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 17:01:11 2010 Received: (qmail 26337 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 15:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 15:01:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAF1E18092 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F93E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB202E47207 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0464E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so540967iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.75 with SMTP id bd11mr15825668ibb.22.1275836464001; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm15915308ibf.7.2010.06.06.08.01.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <89CDF72C-3B0E-4C15-A107-D2D65D4A1D4A@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:27 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 17:01:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bb837210261357919056 Which one? The one that's old or the one that's very old? Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > So, Joel, how is your Beemer? > > > On Sunday, June 6, 2010, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P >> >> Joel W. >> >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> Great! Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac network ... :-) >>> >>> Chris >>> (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) >>> On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. The app is ReaddleDocs. >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 17:56:27 2010 Received: (qmail 17349 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 15:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 15:56:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6360EE1809D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FEAE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF06E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29ADE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2145961wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.210 with SMTP id i18mr3474670wbv.41.1275839779745; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm4072354wbc.5.2010.06.06.08.56.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:56:16 +0100 Message-Id: References: <26442A61-5C7F-4A4E-9DDF-64AA999FCE74@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 17:56:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bc52b272401006886880 Jim I have just had another go with the lens, and it does hunt a smidgeon, but not enough to worry me. Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 07:08, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks for the feedback, Chris. Sounds like it is worth a try. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 17:58:14 2010 Received: (qmail 10226 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603F0E180AD for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657BEE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6485134AC028 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E649F34AC029 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2116745wyb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.79 with SMTP id v15mr12664887wbt.163.1275839813671; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm4072354wbc.5.2010.06.06.08.56.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0BA69C.1020409@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:56:52 +0100 Message-Id: <3F15009E-DE0A-4D4E-83A3-17F2A29857A4@threeshoes.net> References: <4C0BA69C.1020409@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 17:58:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bc596149361744846740 Russ Thanks very much. That will make my wife happy as well; she works hard on the garden ... Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 14:46, Russ Butler wrote: > > That's a very nice and well done set. > My favorites are: Allium Schubertii, Spanish Oats, Allium Christophil, > Aquilegla and the Iris. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 18:00:14 2010 Received: (qmail 26425 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A8CE180AA for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736A2E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64352E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D0E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2118023wyb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.69 with SMTP id f5mr12884567wbw.73.1275839993698; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm29683770wbv.18.2010.06.06.08.59.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:59:52 +0100 Message-Id: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 18:00:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bc60e136062517112723 I don't know about Joel's but my little 320d is giving me a little heartache: I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, only to be told that the left one will probably have a problem again, perhaps within months. The car is only 6.5 years old! I might be starting a long letter-writing spree to BMW to get them to buy a new wing for me and have it fitted. Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 15:43, Ken Norton wrote: > So, Joel, how is your Beemer? > > > On Sunday, June 6, 2010, Joel Wilcox <> wrote: >> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 18:30:00 2010 Received: (qmail 9035 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 16:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 16:29:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CA6E180C4 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF60E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0743A34AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C1534AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so586235iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.37.140 with SMTP id x12mr3384220ibd.127.1275841793068; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm16245053ibg.3.2010.06.06.09.29.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:31:55 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 18:30:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bcd08130419752976205 That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it in 1988, so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker panels. The body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust mitigation. Too oogie for them now. These are all tales to tell the grandchildren. Sadly my kids want nothing to do with my old projects. Would happily trade the '74 2002 for an OM-3Ti in good shape. Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I don't know about Joel's but my little 320d is giving me a little heartache: I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, only to be told that the left one will probably have a problem again, perhaps within months. The car is only 6.5 years old! > > I might be starting a long letter-writing spree to BMW to get them to buy a new wing for me and have it fitted. > > Chris > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 15:43, Ken Norton wrote: > >> So, Joel, how is your Beemer? >> >> >> On Sunday, June 6, 2010, Joel Wilcox <> wrote: >>> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 19:03:30 2010 Received: (qmail 12533 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C13E180A3 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D95E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCB0E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64223E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o56H3H7h018992 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:03:21 GMT Message-ID: <60D00BCB8BE7437385A8CFD3EEDA8159@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <26442A61-5C7F-4A4E-9DDF-64AA999FCE74@threeshoes.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:03:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 19:03:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bd4e254061234514069 Thanks, Chris. I suspect that I will go for one in the near future. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Some more DZ35/3.5 Macro shots > Jim > > I have just had another go with the lens, and it does hunt a smidgeon, but > not enough to worry me. > > Chris > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 07:08, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Thanks for the feedback, Chris. Sounds like it is worth a try. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 19:07:23 2010 Received: (qmail 3736 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 17:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 17:07:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001C6E180A4 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058BCE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47F4E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60943E47208 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31571 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 17:07:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100606-0, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 19:07:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bd5cb125411234514069 Almost incomprehensible to this speaker of the "same" language. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, > only to be told that the left one will probably have a problem again, > perhaps within months. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 19:09:46 2010 Received: (qmail 10344 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 17:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 17:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48AE180B3 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8338FE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258AA34AC029 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9034AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 577 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 17:09:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jun 2010 17:09:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0BD654.2050104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:09:40 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100606-0, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 19:09:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bd65a173647801554290 Ha! I thought "splashed out to the front wings" was incomprehensible. But "too oogie"? Must be that fact there are no young kids in residence here any more. :-) Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it in > 1988, so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker > panels. The body shop I worked with back in the day no longer > touches rust mitigation. Too oogie for them now. These are all > tales to tell the grandchildren. Sadly my kids want nothing to do > with my old projects. > > Would happily trade the '74 2002 for an OM-3Ti in good shape. > > Joel W. > > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> I don't know about Joel's but my little 320d is giving me a little >> heartache: I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, >> only to be told that the left one will probably have a problem >> again, perhaps within months. The car is only 6.5 years old! >> >> I might be starting a long letter-writing spree to BMW to get them >> to buy a new wing for me and have it fitted. >> >> Chris >> >> On 6 Jun 2010, at 15:43, Ken Norton wrote: >> >>> So, Joel, how is your Beemer? >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 6, 2010, Joel Wilcox <> wrote: >>>> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of >>>> consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the >>>> garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny >>>> end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 19:26:37 2010 Received: (qmail 18787 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 17:26:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB548E18089 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F168E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4FFE47205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35B7E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2185047wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.129 with SMTP id z1mr12958315wbu.3.1275845190354; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm30245762wbd.19.2010.06.06.10.26.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0BD5C5.30008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:26:28 +0100 Message-Id: <7ADFCE8C-B633-438D-8708-36500AD4015B@threeshoes.net> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <4C0BD5C5.30008@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 19:26:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bda4d266131560218263 Sorry, Chuck, but there were words missing and it looked pretty poor to me when I re-read it. I've just spent a deal of cash (GBP340) on ridding the front wings (fenders?) of rust that had started on the inside. Clearly the splash guards had not guarded much against splashing. But I the garage told me that the rust on the left wing is extensive and mostly unreachable, on the inside; therefore it will get through somewhere else. So that means a new wing, costing around GBP500 with all the fitting and spraying. I shall be pursuing the matter with the manufacturer, whether or not it is outside the 6-year warranty period. Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 18:07, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Almost incomprehensible to this speaker of the "same" language. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Barker wrote: >> I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, >> only to be told that the left one will probably have a problem again, >> perhaps within months. > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 21:27:11 2010 Received: (qmail 24146 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 19:27:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3558E180C0 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87602E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B32E47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A21FE47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C52314009 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C0BF68F.8050009@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:27:11 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100606-0, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Precautions against fungus on lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 21:27:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0bf68f18021879814018 Open the window is the only A/C we need around here :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 22:19:27 2010 Received: (qmail 26125 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 20:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 20:19:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B8FE180A0 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393F3E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C1D34AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7434AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2265842wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.8 with SMTP id x8mr13085834wbi.105.1275855511445; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm604418wba.21.2010.06.06.13.18.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:18:30 +0100 Message-Id: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 22:19:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c02cf185881234514069 Oh, I don't know, Joel; most people want a machine that works well too :-) Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 15:29, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 22:37:18 2010 Received: (qmail 22225 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 20:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 20:37:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EABE180B5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18215E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0125234AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B027334AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DE08770000A7 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (unknown [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AE514700009E for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:37:09 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100606203709714.AE514700009E@msfrf2107.sfr.fr Message-Id: <5D75E133-F101-43F2-8C24-A122CDB382F0@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:37:09 +0200 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 22:37:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c06fe208241744846740 I used to have a 320i, for the fun of it, until I grew wiser. I use a Mac because it perfectly fits my needs for photography - = albeit much less real world work unfortunately. I always close the garage door - otherwise it slams at night which = wakes me up ;-) ;-) Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Le 6 juin 10 =E0 22:18, Chris Barker a =E9crit : > > Oh, I don't know, Joel; most people want a machine that works well = > too :-) > > Chris > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 15:29, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of = >> consumerism, owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage = >> door open so that the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your = >> Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit of that? ;P > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 22:46:12 2010 Received: (qmail 5052 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 20:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 20:46:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1596CE18093 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79812E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BBDE47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241BDE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D685700008D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (unknown [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4FF437000083 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:46:05 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100606204605327.4FF437000083@msfrf2107.sfr.fr Message-Id: <490F1BFD-7C6F-46BC-AE85-032EA2F159D4@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1F922ADF-AE46-4C21-A7AE-1DFC084EFEFB@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:46:05 +0200 References: <1F922ADF-AE46-4C21-A7AE-1DFC084EFEFB@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. - Thanks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 22:46:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c0914101391073733319 Thanks you all for viewing and for your comments on or off list Bien cordialement Philippe Le 2 juin 10 =E0 15:00, Andrew Fildes a =E9crit : > > Hoisted with your own petard there... > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/06/2010, at 10:53 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > >> >> Le 2 juin 10 =E0 14:43, Jez Cunningham a =E9crit : >> >>> No relation to Le Petomane? >> >> Sure enough, the concerts are held after ... >> ph >> >>> Jez >>> >>> On 2 June 2010 14:41, philippe.amard wrote: >>> >>>> La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? >>>> Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+afte= r+Nighthawks-1000738.jpg.html >>>> >>>> >>>> C&C welcome >>>> Bien cordialement de Metz >>>> Philippe >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 23:08:08 2010 Received: (qmail 8117 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C6E180A1 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBCE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB94434AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE4334AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100606210801.UNAP7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:01 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id SlLT1e00B233qdw02lLTx1; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:20:28 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=5kQdBSvYrvYvWXGiiyQA:9 a=YKSm7-JSSqPIdoXA7JPI_5bd66wA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:07:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 23:08:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c0e38187612013633067 > That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it in 1988, > so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker panels. The > body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust mitigation. > Too oogie for them now. Just remember, the Germans invented Rust, and the Italians licensed it. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 23:25:31 2010 Received: (qmail 30276 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:25:29 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFB0A399A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6773DE18095 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B136E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B5C34AC028 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA4834AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2265376wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.21 with SMTP id f21mr7128313wbv.172.1275855454971; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm604418wba.21.2010.06.06.13.17.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:17:33 +0100 Message-Id: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 23:25:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c124b253161136683642 Hmm, that might be the girls, but the boys would love to have a 2002, surely, for all the problems of running an old car. Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 17:31, Joel Wilcox wrote: > That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it in 1988, so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker panels. The body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust mitigation. Too oogie for them now. These are all tales to tell the grandchildren. Sadly my kids want nothing to do with my old projects. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 23:27:12 2010 Received: (qmail 15818 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 21:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:27:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A60E180B5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE3BE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C3CE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA81CE47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1728 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2010 21:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.148.252) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:27:01 -0000 Message-Id: <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:27:01 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 23:27:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c12b0323511234514069 It was printing that slowly established all the rules we insist on today - at Willie's time things were still pretty flexible (and most people still illiterate) and he is reputed to have spelled his own name in sixteen different ways at various points over his life. Of course, he also invented a significant proportion of the language itself. It is the beginnings of modern English. I saw the coronation speech of Henry V (1413), less than 200 years before Shakespeare and it is almost completely unintelligible unless you are familiar with Middle English. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/06/2010, at 9:42 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > That is amusing! I'm currently looking at a facsimile of > Shakespeare's first folio where "Love's Labour's Lost" is written > "Loues Labour's lost" -- my recollection is that the possessive > apostrophe is often omitted in Elizabethan English, whereas the > apostrophe to indicate an ellipsis is often included, though not > always. As Ben Franklin discovered a couple centuries later, > printers/typesetters in England drank throughout the day, but I > don't think that explains away all of the peculiarities. But one > can make do without a good many apostrophes if necessary (though I > am not advocating that). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 23:36:08 2010 Received: (qmail 11802 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0934FE18094 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84FEE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3019E47205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EF0E47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9738 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2010 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) 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Down here it took General Motors to come up with cars that would rust in the Australian climate, a feat unmatched to this day. It takes years of dedication and R&D to develop bodywork with a limited lifespan in an environment noted for low humidity, no salt on the roads, etc. Of course, that technology is now widespread. Anywho, I googled 'oogle and came up with - "a migratory pack animal that drunkenly stumbles onto your porch and sets your couch on fire. they are the uninvited guests who throw inappropriate things (i.e. veggie oil, pressure treated lumber, spray paint cans, someone else's full beers) into a bonfire. While under your roof, they will talk shit on "house punks" while their shitty dog attacks your dog. the term crosses subcultural boundaries; includes hippies, punks, metalheads, ravers, etc." Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/06/2010, at 7:07 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it >> in 1988, >> so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker >> panels. The >> body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust >> mitigation. >> Too oogie for them now. > > Just remember, the Germans invented Rust, and the Italians licensed > it. > > Bill Pearce > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 6 23:51:12 2010 Received: (qmail 22096 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2010 21:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 21:51:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE81E1809E for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48721E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA0934AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A1634AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16165 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jun 2010 21:50:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100606-1, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 6 23:51:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c1850145331258626592 I did actually figure that out although I didn't realize there were missing words. Probably something in the back of my brain perhaps put there by my old XK-E owner's manual referring to the fenders as "wings". Wings here are never sandblasted, painted and repaired. They're just deep fried in oil and coated with hot pepper sauce. Only your stomach will rust. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Sorry, Chuck, but there were words missing and it looked pretty poor > to me when I re-read it. > > I've just spent a deal of cash (GBP340) on ridding the front wings > (fenders?) of rust that had started on the inside. Clearly the > splash guards had not guarded much against splashing. But I the > garage told me that the rust on the left wing is extensive and mostly > unreachable, on the inside; therefore it will get through somewhere > else. > > So that means a new wing, costing around GBP500 with all the fitting > and spraying. I shall be pursuing the matter with the manufacturer, > whether or not it is outside the 6-year warranty period. > > Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 18:07, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Almost incomprehensible to this speaker of the "same" language. >> :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chris Barker wrote: >>> I've just splashed out to the front wings rid of rust, only to be >>> told that the left one will probably have a problem again, >>> perhaps within months. >> -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 02:06:56 2010 Received: (qmail 23508 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 00:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 00:06:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3162E1809D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA116E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6512E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A6CE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11218 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 00:06:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100606-1, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 02:06:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c3820311971234514069 OK, but what's an "oogie"? Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Really? Down here it took General Motors to come up with cars that > would rust in the Australian climate, a feat unmatched to this day. It > takes years of dedication and R&D to develop bodywork with a limited > lifespan in an environment noted for low humidity, no salt on the > roads, etc. Of course, that technology is now widespread. > Anywho, I googled 'oogle and came up with - > "a migratory pack animal that drunkenly stumbles onto your porch and > sets your couch on fire. they are the uninvited guests who throw > inappropriate things (i.e. veggie oil, pressure treated lumber, spray > paint cans, someone else's full beers) into a bonfire. While under > your roof, they will talk shit on "house punks" while their shitty dog > attacks your dog. the term crosses subcultural boundaries; includes > hippies, punks, metalheads, ravers, etc." > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/06/2010, at 7:07 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >>> That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it >>> in 1988, >>> so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker >>> panels. The >>> body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust >>> mitigation. >>> Too oogie for them now. >> Just remember, the Germans invented Rust, and the Italians licensed >> it. >> >> Bill Pearce >> >> -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 02:08:46 2010 Received: (qmail 30169 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 00:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 00:08:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4F7E1808A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285DCE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18153E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A06E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (csdunek@gmx.com whitelisted) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2010 00:08:12 -0000 Received: from c-71-238-169-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.0.104]) [71.238.169.129] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us004) with SMTP; 06 Jun 2010 20:08:12 -0400 X-Authenticated: #58083967 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/TodweO1zT8Y5q9gECx240IF3GBCDNfXLDeUK+Gi tKr5KVyfo3uI+5 Message-ID: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:08:15 -0400 From: Charles Sdunek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 02:08:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c388e259891258626592 I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, and I'd really like to try some of my old glass on my new camera. I've seen quite a few on the auction site and other places on the internet that might work, but I don't want a complete piece of trash, and even more, I don't want to take a chance on damaging the mount on either camera body or lens. Thanks for any advice you can give. Charles -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 02:11:12 2010 Received: (qmail 19027 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6688E18092 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79589E240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC9FE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134F2E47207 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj4 with SMTP id 4so1370628pwj.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.255.8 with SMTP id c8mr11236932rvi.7.1275869466666; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:11:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 02:11:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c3920306767801554290 Where does that put plugging an NEC panel into your Macbook Pro? In my defence, I have no garage. Nor indeed a house! Tom On 6 June 2010 15:29, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, > owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the > neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit > of that? ;P > > Joel W. > > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > Great! Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac network > ... :-) > > > > Chris > > (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > >> > >> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like > a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork > Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even > permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded > iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. > The app is ReaddleDocs. > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 02:54:25 2010 Received: (qmail 14238 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 00:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 00:54:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC55AE18091 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9076FE240E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD29E47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B24E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 17:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o570sHD0000584 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:54:17 +1000 Message-Id: <201006070054.o570sHD0000584@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:54:17 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:54:17 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 02:54:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c4341170581357919056 > Joel Wilcox wrote: > > Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, > owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that > the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want > a bit of that? ;P > I think this is what you're looking for Joel: http://www.style-your-garage.com/ ...they also seem to have some that would suite Chris B ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 03:56:59 2010 Received: (qmail 16269 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 01:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 01:56:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E221CE180AD for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731FDE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6E8E47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304B4E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so866308iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.75 with SMTP id bd11mr16249576ibb.22.1275875811600; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r12sm18264284ibi.8.2010.06.06.18.56.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:59:17 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 03:56:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c51eb47376789618724 So I had thought ... Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Hmm, that might be the girls, but the boys would love to have a 2002, surely, for all the problems of running an old car. > > Chris > > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 17:31, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it in 1988, so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker panels. The body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust mitigation. Too oogie for them now. These are all tales to tell the grandchildren. Sadly my kids want nothing to do with my old projects. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 04:25:20 2010 Received: (qmail 23841 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 02:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 02:25:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C64E1807E for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFEFE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4265334AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F2F34AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so883794iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.135 with SMTP id r7mr7418362ibx.47.1275877514476; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r12sm18343219ibi.20.2010.06.06.19.25.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:27:39 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 04:25:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c5890122061220213263 Oogie is an adjective in modern Hawaiian slang meaning repulsive. I thought it was sufficiently onomatopoetic to use without explanation. Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > OK, but what's an "oogie"? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Really? Down here it took General Motors to come up with cars that >> would rust in the Australian climate, a feat unmatched to this day. It >> takes years of dedication and R&D to develop bodywork with a limited >> lifespan in an environment noted for low humidity, no salt on the >> roads, etc. Of course, that technology is now widespread. >> Anywho, I googled 'oogle and came up with - >> "a migratory pack animal that drunkenly stumbles onto your porch and >> sets your couch on fire. they are the uninvited guests who throw >> inappropriate things (i.e. veggie oil, pressure treated lumber, spray >> paint cans, someone else's full beers) into a bonfire. While under >> your roof, they will talk shit on "house punks" while their shitty dog >> attacks your dog. the term crosses subcultural boundaries; includes >> hippies, punks, metalheads, ravers, etc." >> >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 07/06/2010, at 7:07 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: >> >>>> That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I bought it >>>> in 1988, >>>> so I know all about replacement of nose, fenders, and rocker >>>> panels. The >>>> body shop I worked with back in the day no longer touches rust >>>> mitigation. >>>> Too oogie for them now. >>> Just remember, the Germans invented Rust, and the Italians licensed >>> it. >>> >>> Bill Pearce >>> >>> -- >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 04:30:56 2010 Received: (qmail 32733 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 02:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 02:30:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6720E18089 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC0E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45DB34AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5903A34AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10920 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 02:30:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jun 2010 02:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0C59D6.5070909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:30:46 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100606-1, 06/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 04:30:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c59e0109731234514069 For some perhaps. :-) Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Oogie is an adjective in modern Hawaiian slang meaning repulsive. I > thought it was sufficiently onomatopoetic to use without explanation. > > > Joel W. > > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> OK, but what's an "oogie"? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Really? Down here it took General Motors to come up with cars >>> that would rust in the Australian climate, a feat unmatched to >>> this day. It takes years of dedication and R&D to develop >>> bodywork with a limited lifespan in an environment noted for low >>> humidity, no salt on the roads, etc. Of course, that technology >>> is now widespread. Anywho, I googled 'oogle and came up with - "a >>> migratory pack animal that drunkenly stumbles onto your porch and >>> sets your couch on fire. they are the uninvited guests who throw >>> inappropriate things (i.e. veggie oil, pressure treated lumber, >>> spray paint cans, someone else's full beers) into a bonfire. >>> While under your roof, they will talk shit on "house punks" while >>> their shitty dog attacks your dog. the term crosses subcultural >>> boundaries; includes hippies, punks, metalheads, ravers, etc." >>> >>> Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07/06/2010, at 7:07 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: >>> >>>>> That's shocking. Mine was already a rust bucket when I >>>>> bought it in 1988, so I know all about replacement of nose, >>>>> fenders, and rocker panels. The body shop I worked with back >>>>> in the day no longer touches rust mitigation. Too oogie for >>>>> them now. >>>> Just remember, the Germans invented Rust, and the Italians >>>> licensed it. >>>> >>>> Bill Pearce >>>> >>>> -- >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 04:35:24 2010 Received: (qmail 18931 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 02:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 02:35:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CD2E18092 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5039AE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9C6E47207 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B349E47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so890483iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.202 with SMTP id u10mr7617789ibv.56.1275878115696; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9sm18404926ibl.4.2010.06.06.19.35.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7AAA0250-C0F4-4FBB-BC7E-69AA2C982F47@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <201006070054.o570sHD0000584@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:37:39 -0500 References: <201006070054.o570sHD0000584@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 04:35:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c5aec46681234514069 On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > > >> Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, >> owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that >> the neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want >> a bit of that? ;P >> > > I think this is what you're looking for Joel: > > http://www.style-your-garage.com/ > > ...they also seem to have some that would suite Chris B ! > > That's a hoot, Wayne. Thanks. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 04:42:15 2010 Received: (qmail 26104 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 02:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 02:42:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA43E18087 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE1CE240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D29BE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E0BE47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so895023iwn.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.225 with SMTP id fz33mr3781697ibb.173.1275878529611; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm18407191ibg.21.2010.06.06.19.42.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <50AED533-DE51-4F61-9289-16B174329E1A@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:44:35 -0500 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 04:42:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c5c87296431612113968 Outside the trends of consumerism? I should have said "present company excepted" when I made that remark I now see. Apologies to all! Joel W. On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Where does that put plugging an NEC panel into your Macbook Pro? > > In my defence, I have no garage. Nor indeed a house! > > Tom > > On 6 June 2010 15:29, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Maybe I'll try that one of these days, Chris. In terms of consumerism, >> owning a Mac has become a bit like leaving the garage door open so that the >> neighbors can look at the fanny end of your Lexus. Who doesn't want a bit >> of that? ;P >> >> Joel W. >> >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> Great! Now consider how much fun it would be connected to a Mac network >> ... :-) >>> >>> Chris >>> (still resisting, holding out for the next iPhone ...) >>> On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:51, Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I found a nice app that allows one to make the iPad into something like >> a network drive. One can create a profile for it in Windows' MyNetwork >> Places on as many PCs as one wants and move documents in and out. Even >> permits directories and folder structure. No need to sync to the dreaded >> iTunes. This device appears as though it will become more and more useful. >> The app is ReaddleDocs. >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 06:07:55 2010 Received: (qmail 20929 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 04:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 04:07:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA40E180B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEC8E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F5434AC029 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD5434AC02A for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22403 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 04:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 Jun 2010 04:07:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:07:44 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 06:07:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c709b179301879814018 www.cameraquest.com Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jun 7, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Charles Sdunek wrote: > I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter > to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, and > I'd really like to try some of my old glass on my new camera. I've seen > quite a few on the auction site and other places on the internet that > might work, but I don't want a complete piece of trash, and even more, I > don't want to take a chance on damaging the mount on either camera body > or lens. > > Thanks for any advice you can give. > > Charles > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 06:24:34 2010 Received: (qmail 14785 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E634E18094 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22655E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A1CE47204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87213E47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16939 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jun 2010 04:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jun 2010 04:24:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0C746D.8040900@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:24:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 06:24:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c7482249641136683642 On 6/6/2010 7:27 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Oogie is an adjective in modern Hawaiian slang meaning repulsive. I thou= ght it was sufficiently onomatopoetic to use without explanation. > = Much like "fuchi", a Mexican slang word I learned from my late wife and = her family many years ago. Like "Eeeeww", "Ick!", "Ugh!" or "Gross!" = said that certain way. From a Mexican slang dictionary: Fuchi - /slang / *Meaning: * smelly, stinky, unpleasant, also kinky or corrupt *Examples: *Smells baby's dirty diaper; drives by an open sewer: Fuchi! = =A1Que mal huele! (Gross! That really stinks!) In the interim, it has entered US urban slang - no surprise. = Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 07:49:41 2010 Received: (qmail 14894 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993FE180A3 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBD1E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F1434AC02D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E050334AC02B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2441755wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.68.201 with SMTP id w9mr13443137wbi.124.1275889772121; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm34999812wbv.12.2010.06.06.22.49.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0C180C.8040506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:49:30 +0100 Message-Id: <87FE33F0-2156-430E-AC43-ECEC5D53FE71@threeshoes.net> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <4C0BD5C5.30008@chucknorcutt.com> <7ADFCE8C-B633-438D-8708-36500AD4015B@threeshoes.net> <4C0C180C.8040506@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 07:49:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c8875175075683411216 I know them, Chuck, but I thought that they were called "wangs" :-) Chris On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:50, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Wings here are never sandblasted, painted and repaired. They're just > deep fried in oil and coated with hot pepper sauce. Only your stomach > will rust. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 07:52:00 2010 Received: (qmail 21315 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 05:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 05:51:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D9BE180B7 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA576E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A881BE47203 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3261DE47201 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2442076wwb.20 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.137 with SMTP id f9mr13628504wbt.215.1275889834582; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm34980622wbd.19.2010.06.06.22.50.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:50:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201006070054.o570sHD0000584@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006070054.o570sHD0000584@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <57498DCD-E260-4310-94CE-D77282690F29@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 07:52:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c89001601413256596 How cool! Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 01:54, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > I think this is what you're looking for Joel: > > http://www.style-your-garage.com/ > > ...they also seem to have some that would suite Chris B ! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 08:47:32 2010 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 06:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 06:47:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E227DE180A9 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA067E240B8 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA41E47207 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814D8E47205 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:10560 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLW75-0000kV-O1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 01:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <4C0C95E7.9060100@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:47:03 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 08:47:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0c9604170191073733319 My advice is buy the olympus one, I didn't test any others but the quality is amazing ( I am now on my 4th om-eos adapter and still struggling to find a quality that matches the olympus 4/3 adapter). They are appearing second hand now and I picked one up recently in a camera shop for te equivalent of 40 dollars. On 07/06/2010 02:08, Charles Sdunek wrote: > I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter > to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, and > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 10:41:52 2010 Received: (qmail 21416 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 08:41:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C2BE180A5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B52E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99268B37DF7 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B09B37DF3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1050362gwb.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.158.19 with SMTP id k19mr14734434ano.220.1275900100159; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.163.9 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:41:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0yMXopD8HsfOY2T5UlJoXCKpUFs Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 10:41:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cb0d0242861234514069 Oh I missed that - what channel was it on? On 6 June 2010 23:27, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I saw the coronation speech of Henry V (1413), less than 200 years > before Shakespeare and it is almost completely unintelligible unless > you are familiar with Middle English. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 11:53:12 2010 Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 09:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 09:53:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD3EE180C4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83968E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECBA34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:53:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3E34AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9557 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 09:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.148.252) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 09:53:02 -0000 Message-Id: <63680D58-F0A6-4600-BA08-22D0C34D85DC@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:53:01 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 11:53:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cc188255305368819438 I think it was in 'The Adventure of English' which has been around for a while now. But I could be wrong. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/06/2010, at 6:41 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Oh I missed that - what channel was it on? > > On 6 June 2010 23:27, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> I saw the coronation speech of Henry V (1413), less than 200 years >> before Shakespeare and it is almost completely unintelligible unless >> you are familiar with Middle English. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 12:04:01 2010 Received: (qmail 14356 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 10:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 10:04:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49CAE18095 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3BDE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300FAE47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAB4E47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23922 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 10:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.148.252) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 10:03:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3C1E584F-E402-47A7-B071-CF5AA614D076@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:03:52 +1000 References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 12:04:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cc411283407801554290 I have bought off ebay - Roxen - but I'm not recommending them as they sold me a knock-off B+W filter. Nice fake - almost identical - apart from being aluminium of course. Now he's begging me to take back the negative feedback. I think not - he's still selling them and knows what they are of course. Theft. The designs of the cheap ones are various but I can't imagine any of them doing harm to a lens or body. I haven't had any problems and I have about seven different ones - OM, Leica M and Minolta. Oh hang on, there's an M42 and a T mount and a couple of Tamron Adaptall ones too! Only recent problem I've had is with crap caps. The Cameraquest versions (Kindai?) are horribly expensive, as are the Novoflex units. Of course they are guaranteed to be exact. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/06/2010, at 10:08 AM, Charles Sdunek wrote: > I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 > adapter > to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, > and > I'd really like to try some of my old glass on my new camera. I've > seen > quite a few on the auction site and other places on the internet that > might work, but I don't want a complete piece of trash, and even > more, I > don't want to take a chance on damaging the mount on either camera > body > or lens. > > Thanks for any advice you can give. > > Charles > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 12:59:06 2010 Received: (qmail 8354 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D1EE180B7 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAFEE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F55CE47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:58:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE59FE47203 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 03:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=q7FD15Xr545AYYxLuRxh8NAlF1RX961CvM641wXl56g= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=JC_HjWH3cbm2x6d64NsA:9 a=IxZCs2kCUV67IE8CK1skl-2l4gIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:42350] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D1/C3-04511-EE0DC0C4; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:58:55 +0000 Message-Id: <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:58:54 -0400 References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 12:59:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cd0fa4673900897491 Hard 'g' or soft? --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 6, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Oogie is an adjective in modern Hawaiian slang meaning repulsive. I > thought it was sufficiently onomatopoetic to use without explanation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 14:20:53 2010 Received: (qmail 30238 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 12:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 12:20:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D3AE180BC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63107E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEBDE47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9BDE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34so2686559wwb.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:20:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.141.200 with SMTP id n8mr4319417wbu.200.1275913244227; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:20:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:20:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 14:20:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ce425149221879814018 On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hard 'g' or soft? > > --Bob Whitmire Hard "g", rhymes with loogie, Bob, if that helps in any way. :) I'm blaming the iPad touchscreen keyboard for all my foibles in this thread. I've written tersely, I've offended Mac owners, and I've even top-posted! I'm taking notice and going to do better. My crack about Macs and conspicuous consumerism is based entirely on observations of students who find the Macbook especially appealing. (They ARE quite gorgeous I think.) For youngsters it is a natural next-step after the iPod, except now there is the iPad too. Apple has been brilliant. The marque exudes good quality and people gravitate towards that. Joel W. Sent from my Dell laptop -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 15:21:15 2010 Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 13:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 13:21:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49131E180A1 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF66E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CACE47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC20DE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pv0-f175.google.com (mail-pv0-f175.google.com [74.125.83.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1so1131932pvh.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.188.27 with SMTP id q27mr11879261rvp.73.1275916868420; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50AED533-DE51-4F61-9289-16B174329E1A@gmail.com> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <50AED533-DE51-4F61-9289-16B174329E1A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:21:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 15:21:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cf24b289841744846740 On 7 June 2010 03:44, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Outside the trends of consumerism? I should have said "present company > excepted" when I made that remark I now see. Apologies to all! > > Joel W. > > Outside, and looking in! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4676951228_ff6eb5dc06_b.jpg Sorry - should have been smiling in the first post :-) Tom > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > > Where does that put plugging an NEC panel into your Macbook Pro? > > > > In my defence, I have no garage. Nor indeed a house! > > > > Tom > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 15:30:20 2010 Received: (qmail 13384 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 13:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 13:30:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9C0E1807E for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B2CE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FDCE47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF49E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f175.google.com (mail-yx0-f175.google.com [209.85.213.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so692359yxe.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.209.79 with SMTP id gf15mr4383518ibb.138.1275917410547; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:30:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sn_-2msHSoMQ5RcFSKi0zbfyDuM Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 15:30:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cf46c86541220213263 > I'm blaming the iPad touchscreen keyboard for all my foibles in this > thread. =A0I've written tersely, I've offended Mac owners, and I've even > top-posted! =A0I'm taking notice and going to do better. The autocorrection is a real pain. Most technical words are not in the library so if type a common technical word you'll get it changed two something entirely different which completely changes the meaning of the sentence. One must very carefully proof everything written. I must get a real keyboard too. Hopefully one which works with my palm centro. > > My crack about Macs and conspicuous consumerism is based entirely on > observations of students who find the Macbook especially appealing. > (They ARE quite gorgeous I think.) The students? AG -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 15:33:58 2010 Received: (qmail 19445 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 13:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 13:33:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59B2E180AA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDF2E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A37E47207 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FD1E47203 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so1342441iwn.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.170.3 with SMTP id b3mr4488047ibz.122.1275917632391; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:33:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ir4qPcVw4Erl1TfqbAylo8gFKSg Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 15:33:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cf546194256789618724 On Monday, June 7, 2010, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Oh I missed that - what channel was it on? It's available for 99 cents from the iTunes store. AG Ps. I was going to write the response in some pithy middle English, but this stupid iPad kept changing everything. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 16:19:32 2010 Received: (qmail 9382 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DC1E1809A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6CCE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD23E47211 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE6E47209 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2765825wyb.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.131 with SMTP id g3mr4361997wbs.129.1275920361309; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 16:19:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0cfff4317331560218263 On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > On Monday, June 7, 2010, Jez Cunningham wrote: >> Oh I missed that - what channel was it on? > > > It's available for 99 cents from the iTunes store. > > AG > > Ps. I was going to write the response in some pithy middle English, > but this stupid iPad kept changing everything. You haven't found the override key? (The Holy Grail ...) When you find a way to do control and alt sequences, let me know. I've almost got MS Access working via Remote Desktop (free app called RDP lite). I think this may not have been one of Apple's priorities, hehe ... With respect to photography, photos saved to a folder in ReaddleDocs will sort of play like a slide show. Tap the arrow and it goes to the next photo, fullscreen. (No auto scroll, however.) The problem is that there is always a menu ribbon at the top of the screen. They also seem to play at full rez, so if they are not "web" sizes, it might be a slower load. But that program seems worth the 5 bucks. Photos look nice and seem to give the advantage of your own optimization (i.e., they aren't crunched a la Flickr, Facebook, etc.). Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 16:26:03 2010 Received: (qmail 23422 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 14:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 14:26:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE91CE18088 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D51E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A45834AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DA834AC031 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308D0120018 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:47 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D10E11FDC4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:46 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA182116E91 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:45 +0930 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E883116E90 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:45 +0930 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0AAE8EBC3D; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:55:44 +0930 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100607142544.GA65095@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.130 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:3962 -> 64.62.209.31:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 13028ac1ffe054c0d016e6a6150 Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 16:26:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d017b54161006886880 On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 08:08:15PM -0400, Charles Sdunek wrote: > I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter > to use on my E-520. I bought mine from "cowy07" a couple of years ago, it appears he still sells them (up until last week, at least- I expect he will list again). It seems to work just fine, just as long as you remember to put the camera in manual... :) Mine has not seen a huge amount of use. It is nice & heavy (as it should be, being made out of brass). davidt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 18:31:30 2010 Received: (qmail 2917 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 16:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 16:31:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECC5E180B9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2B3E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1E134AC02D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B4434AC02E for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1381840gwb.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.142.158 with SMTP id q30mr4739015ibu.145.1275928277862; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:31:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oork5SpKIp-D9ZGT1ATCqBKWLKI Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 18:31:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d1ee2164791234514069 > You haven't found the override key? =A0(The Holy Grail ...) No, not yet. However, there is rogue terminal app which has control and alt key functionality. > When you find a way to do control and alt sequences, let me know. > I've almost got MS Access working via Remote Desktop (free app called > RDP lite). =A0I think this may not have been one of Apple's priorities, > hehe ... I'm using VNC. Works pretty well. Except when you have the host computer setup as 32-bit screen and for bandwidth reasons, you have the remote setup as 8-bit, that most video apps won't show. This is important to me because I'm trying to setup a VNC session for remote controlling my Minolta A1. With the control software for the A1, you can see in liveview what the camera sees right on the computer. Well, I have the A1 hooked up the laptop and I'm trying to remote control the laptop with the iPad. Otherwise, VNC works pretty good. I use it to remote control the projection system at church. I can be anywhere in the room and advance the songs on the screen. > With respect to photography, photos saved to a folder in ReaddleDocs > will sort of play like a slide show. I looked at ReaddleDocs, but I think I need to see it in action on yours first. Being a tightwad, I have a problem with spending money on apps for something that should be a logical built-in function of the device itself. I'm convinced that the first iPad knockoff that comes along which is a real computer, not a bastardized media player, will have a goldmine on their hands. Nice to see HP get Palm, just maybe that OS will see a revival of sorts. Don't tell anybody, but my Palm Centro (which isn't even the latest WebOS version) does a lot of things the iPhones/iPods/iPads don't. At least with my Centro, I can send Alt-Codes. So far, the two killer features of the iPad? 1. Instant startup. 2. Insane battery life. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 18:34:55 2010 Received: (qmail 24445 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB83E180A3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F4EE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523A5E4720B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA49E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so70838wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.136 with SMTP id c8mr13948575wbw.127.1275928431785; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm38984770wba.9.2010.06.07.09.33.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:33:49 +0100 Message-Id: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 18:34:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d1faf209052013633067 I don't think that an apology was warranted, Joel. I took the garage thing as a quip, top-posting is natural (:-)) and there was no offence, I don't think. Enjoy your gizmo ... Chris sent from my 24"iMac (which is hidden in my cellar, therefore no use for conspicuity... :-)) On 7 Jun 2010, at 13:20, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I'm blaming the iPad touchscreen keyboard for all my foibles in this > thread. I've written tersely, I've offended Mac owners, and I've even > top-posted! I'm taking notice and going to do better. > > My crack about Macs and conspicuous consumerism is based entirely on > observations of students who find the Macbook especially appealing. > (They ARE quite gorgeous I think.) For youngsters it is a natural > next-step after the iPod, except now there is the iPad too. Apple has > been brilliant. The marque exudes good quality and people gravitate > towards that. > > Joel W. > > Sent from my Dell laptop > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 19:15:11 2010 Received: (qmail 26002 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 17:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 17:15:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789A6E1808B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A564CE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAFEE47203 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253C6E47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so108348wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.210 with SMTP id r18mr14043791wbu.81.1275930897797; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm39232006wbb.14.2010.06.07.10.14.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:14:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 19:15:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d291f34361076813867 Philippe I don't really understand the references to Bedlam or bear garden (sorry), = but I do like some of the following photos; in particular the 2 of mature g= entlemen peering at stalls. Chris On 2 Jun 2010, at 13:41, philippe.amard wrote: > La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? > Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. > = > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+after+N= ighthawks-1000738.jpg.html -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 19:37:41 2010 Received: (qmail 22765 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 17:37:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81918E1808A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D484E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4805234AC02E for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E2A34AC02D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4D9007000094 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:37:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 20454700008A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:37:32 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100607173732132.20454700008A@msfrf2117.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:37:31 +0200 References: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 19:37:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d2e65308687801554290 Le 7 juin 10 =E0 19:14, Chris Barker a =E9crit : > > Philippe > > I don't really understand the references to Bedlam or bear garden = > (sorry), This is what my faithful dictionary returned when I looked it up for = p=E9taudi=E8re, which usually means a mess or the result of the activity = of a disorderly group, but I wanted to check the exact word and found = those two ... I have no clue whatsoever why they provide this, sorry. Thanks for viewing and for asking Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe > but I do like some of the following photos; in particular the 2 of = > mature gentlemen peering at stalls. > > Chris > > On 2 Jun 2010, at 13:41, philippe.amard wrote: > >> La P=E9taudi=E8re i.e. bedlam, or bear garden? >> Inspired by Nighthawks with its first ever neon lights. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/La+Petaudiere+-+after+= Nighthawks-1000738.jpg.html > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 19:54:49 2010 Received: (qmail 1326 invoked by uid 0); 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Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2116.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C1DA270000AF; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:54:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (unknown [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2116.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A63170000AD; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:54:41 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100607175441632.9A63170000AD@msfrf2116.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:54:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: Quantum Spaghetti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 19:54:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d3269300632439112457 The setting with blackbird: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-III-1000863.jpg.html Al Dente : http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-1000872.jpg.html Overcooked http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-II-1000869.jpg.html C&C welcome as usual Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe NO ARCHIVE -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 19:57:06 2010 Received: (qmail 7281 invoked by uid 0); 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Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "philippe.amard" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: Quantum Spaghetti > The setting with blackbird: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-III-1000863.jpg.html > > Al Dente : > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-1000872.jpg.html > > Overcooked > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-II-1000869.jpg.html > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > NO ARCHIVE > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 20:29:03 2010 Received: (qmail 28264 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 18:29:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0145FE18094 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4FBE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A5DE47208 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B09E4720B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so202910wyf.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.79 with SMTP id f15mr10032783wbs.55.1275935337104; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm39710693wbd.13.2010.06.07.11.28.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:28:54 +0100 Message-Id: References: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 20:29:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d3a6f287102517112723 Ah, I should have realised. Perhaps "bearpit" would be better, as "Bedlam" was the madhouse. Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:37, philippe.amard wrote: >> I don't really understand the references to Bedlam or bear garden = >> (sorry), > = > This is what my faithful dictionary returned when I looked it up for = > p=E9taudi=E8re, which usually means a mess or the result of the activity = > of a disorderly group, but I wanted to check the exact word and found = > those two ... I have no clue whatsoever why they provide this, sorry. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 20:31:26 2010 Received: (qmail 4451 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 18:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 18:31:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AEDE180A6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58378E240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E9434AC036 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA134AC02F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so173574wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.146 with SMTP id z18mr14226183wbu.131.1275935444881; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm39721558wbv.12.2010.06.07.11.30.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:30:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <1EA36BF6-0714-4A8D-9BF7-FD8BEE32544A@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Quantum Spaghetti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 20:31:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d3afe107811234514069 Yes, it looks great with the blackbird. :-) Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:54, philippe.amard wrote: > The setting with blackbird: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-III-1000863.jpg.html > > Al Dente : > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-1000872.jpg.html > > Overcooked > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-II-1000869.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 20:48:10 2010 Received: (qmail 2631 invoked by uid 0); 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 20:48:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d3eea181896107113666 Bedlam, a corruption of Bethlem (Bethlehem), the name of a psychiatric hospital formerly in the City of London. = I'll leave you all to work out the rest, but this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlem_Royal_Hospital Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] = Sent: 07 June 2010 19:29 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. Ah, I should have realised. Perhaps "bearpit" would be better, as "Bedlam" was the madhouse. Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:37, philippe.amard wrote: >> I don't really understand the references to Bedlam or bear garden = >> (sorry), > = > This is what my faithful dictionary returned when I looked it up for = > p=E9taudi=E8re, which usually means a mess or the result of the activity = > of a disorderly group, but I wanted to check the exact word and found = > those two ... I have no clue whatsoever why they provide this, sorry. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 20:53:17 2010 Received: (qmail 17812 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 18:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 18:53:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7053AE180A9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF01CE240B8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C976134AC02F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA0A34AC02A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (unknown [93.17.128.22]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 243EC700009A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EA1957000094 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:52:53 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100607185253958.EA1957000094@msfrf2317.sfr.fr Message-Id: <18C02FE6-33A3-49E8-AC5F-712873FB7B2C@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <871136355B8040E7A41B3910B044B84F@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:52:53 +0200 References: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> <871136355B8040E7A41B3910B044B84F@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 20:53:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d401d139749730998309 Le 7 juin 10 =E0 20:47, Piers Hemy a =E9crit : > > Bedlam, a corruption of Bethlem (Bethlehem), the name of a psychiatric > hospital formerly in the City of London. > Oh yes I know - La p=E9taudi=E8re comes from King P=E9taud whose court = consisted of loonies I am told. That could be the link then. But bear garden or pit ??? Thanks Ph > I'll leave you all to work out the rest, but this might help: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlem_Royal_Hospital > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: 07 June 2010 19:29 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. > > Ah, I should have realised. > > Perhaps "bearpit" would be better, as "Bedlam" was the madhouse. > > Chris > > On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:37, philippe.amard wrote: > >>> I don't really understand the references to Bedlam or bear garden >>> (sorry), >> >> This is what my faithful dictionary returned when I looked it up for >> p=E9taudi=E8re, which usually means a mess or the result of the activity >> of a disorderly group, but I wanted to check the exact word and found >> those two ... I have no clue whatsoever why they provide this, sorry. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:14:31 2010 Received: (qmail 21229 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:14:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F33E180CA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE61DE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCE434AC036 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A58334AC02A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9481 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 21:14:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100607-1, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:14:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d6137111102517112723 No doubt they're called "wangs" some places well south of the Mason-Dixon line but, despite being covered with Louisiana tabasco pepper sauce, hot wings were invented at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York. This is the history of Buffalo wings Note: There's more in the sauce than tabasco pepper sauce. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > I know them, Chuck, but I thought that they were called "wangs" :-) > > Chris > On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:50, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Wings here are never sandblasted, painted and repaired. They're just >> deep fried in oil and coated with hot pepper sauce. Only your stomach >> will rust. :-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:18:16 2010 Received: (qmail 16809 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:18:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575C5EDC01A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55369E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5025A34AC03F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E088C34AC03C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11747 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 21:18:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100607-1, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:18:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d6218277081234514069 "One must very carefully proof everything written." You're in real trouble then I guess. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I'm blaming the iPad touchscreen keyboard for all my foibles in this >> thread. I've written tersely, I've offended Mac owners, and I've even >> top-posted! I'm taking notice and going to do better. > > The autocorrection is a real pain. Most technical words are not in the > library so if type a common technical word you'll get it changed two > something entirely different which completely changes the meaning of > the sentence. One must very carefully proof everything written. I must > get a real keyboard too. Hopefully one which works with my palm > centro. > > >> My crack about Macs and conspicuous consumerism is based entirely on >> observations of students who find the Macbook especially appealing. >> (They ARE quite gorgeous I think.) > > The students? > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:26:04 2010 Received: (qmail 24976 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149CCE180A6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BFAE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EFB34AC037 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B6034AC035 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17179 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 21:25:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100607-2, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:26:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d63ec182611560218263 CameraQuest no longer makes a 4/3 adapter for OM mount lenses. It's no wonder since the Olympus product is considerably cheaper than the CameraQuest product when it was available. I'd buy a chrome plated brass adapter from ebay and throw it away if it doesn't do the job. If you want the Olympus product you can probably get a good price from John Hermanson who I think has offered list members a discount in the past. Otherwise you can get one at B&H for $83.99 Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > www.cameraquest.com > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Charles Sdunek wrote: > >> I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter >> to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, and >> I'd really like to try some of my old glass on my new camera. I've seen >> quite a few on the auction site and other places on the internet that >> might work, but I don't want a complete piece of trash, and even more, I >> don't want to take a chance on damaging the mount on either camera body >> or lens. >> >> Thanks for any advice you can give. >> >> Charles >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:27:41 2010 Received: (qmail 31222 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37043E1808A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C30E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FF434AC034 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4581B34AC035 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19680 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 21:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:27:16 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:14 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:27:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d644d195791073733319 Trew 'tis faire Geofforie's thrale suffissiaunt unto the swynke, sans teeres. (You need the 'Chaucer' plug-in) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/06/2010, at 11:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Ps. I was going to write the response in some pithy middle English, > but this stupid iPad kept changing everything. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:27:43 2010 Received: (qmail 14565 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD08E180CC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8B7E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCE134AC035 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F0D34AC03A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (kari.tormi@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so2931965fxm.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:26:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.148.8 with SMTP id d8mr535816hbb.144.1275946018013; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.169.196 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:26:57 +0300 Message-ID: From: Kari To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] FS: 2/28mm Zuikos etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:27:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d644f196131234514069 Hi, I've been following this 'forum' silently some time. Many great stories, many boring issues;) It's been nice to learn about you; perhaps some day you learn about me. But..... now it's time to sell some of OM stuff, like *2 pcs of "non used" 2/28mm Zuikos - amazing* ** *3.5/21mm silver nose immaculate, little miracle * *+ very expensive shade for 3.5/21mm with a box* ** *I also have many samples of:* ** *3.6/35-70mm* *3.5-4.5/35-70mm* *5/85-250mm better than 5/50-250mm or why not buy both...* Luckily I just sold locally OM special 38mm and 80mm macros. I still have 2/50, 2/90, 4.5/135 left. I also have T10 ring flash (with polarizer!!!) - make offers. T8 flash... I'll keep that for awhile.... *1.4/50mm single coated*... better than stupidly "sharp" +1100000000 series... Sure I have many of them for sale... amazing... And many more... So, if interested, contact me private, within this forum. For everyone else... this is tosi upeeta... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2-9GdJgqc Gabriella Cilmi and Australia... amazing!! Purr purr.... hrrr hrrr If interested, contact me off list kari.tormi@gmail.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2-9GdJgqc .. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:36:51 2010 Received: (qmail 14306 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:36:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED70CE180B6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52F0E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC64F34AC037 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5739D34AC035 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24450 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 21:36:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100607-2, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Quantum Spaghetti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:36:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d667333459752976205 Overcooked spaghetti could never hold an angle or and edge. :-) Chuck Norcutt philippe.amard wrote: > The setting with blackbird: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-III-1000863.jpg.html > > Al Dente : > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-1000872.jpg.html > > Overcooked > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Lumix/Quantum+Spaghetti-II-1000869.jpg.html > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > NO ARCHIVE > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 7 23:42:37 2010 Received: (qmail 29646 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 21:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:42:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4561CE180A3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A5CE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33752E47209 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6735CE47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1451 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 21:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 21:42:31 -0000 Message-Id: <9879530A-B5B2-4AFF-9983-3B7325E8EE09@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <18C02FE6-33A3-49E8-AC5F-712873FB7B2C@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:42:30 +1000 References: <80343057-79AA-4C9D-A0E0-64A42CA1A3D8@threeshoes.net> <871136355B8040E7A41B3910B044B84F@your9ya3hf92n3> <18C02FE6-33A3-49E8-AC5F-712873FB7B2C@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: La Petaudiere at dusk. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 7 23:42:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d67cd40229730998309 From the days of bear-baiting when dogs were put on a bear in an enclosure for the entertainment (and gambling) of the audience. It would have been pretty untidy in there. The London venue for animal baiting was called The Bear Garden although there were bull rings in other towns and arenas for dog fighting, cock fighting and ratting everywhere. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/06/2010, at 4:52 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > But bear garden or pit ??? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 00:21:14 2010 Received: (qmail 18572 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 22:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 22:21:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10931E180AB for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B35EE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5F4E47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4609E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o57ML6Ls001033 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:21:07 +1000 Message-Id: <201006072221.o57ML6Ls001033@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:21:06 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:21:06 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 00:21:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d70da267672439112457 > Ken Norton wrote: > > 2. Insane battery life. > You've had it a week ? I'd be interested to hear how the batteries hold up after a year. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 00:25:13 2010 Received: (qmail 11551 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 22:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 22:25:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E805EE18099 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D7DE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037BFE47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B2BE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o57MOuAV017168 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:56 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dcd.a780d38 (43826) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC017-d3d34c0d71af38e; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:24:52 -0400 Received: from webmail-d030 (webmail-d030.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.93]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC025-d3d34c0d71af38e; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:24:47 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:24:47 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.93) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:24:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 00:25:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d71c9239452013633067 AG says: "Nice to see HP get Palm, just maybe that OS will see a revival of sorts. Don't tell anybody, but my Palm Centro (which isn't even the latest WebOS version) does a lot of things the iPhones/iPods/iPads don't. At least with my Centro, I can send Alt-Codes." I hope not too little too late. Droids and all the apps seem to be taking off. One other advantage of the Pre and is that the whole old phone can be run in emulation till any app you have and other stuff is ported properly or if you just like it. The PIM is good (should be given Palm's history). One major gripe in people who travel to GSM areas and want to use VZW as the carrier there is no clear way to make VOIP on wifi. I would already have one if that were the case. Don't want to pay the tremendous roaming fees with one of their phones witha GSM chip.. Skype was taking a wait and see attitude before porting to WebOS. Palm stock was taking a nose dive---good thing HP bought them, though may just delay the demise. (Hope I'm wrong.) There is no SIP server that will work as there is no API for the microphone. People have succeeded in dialing a number but no mic is a bit of a problem. Voxofone may port their app to the Pre using wifi but that could be many moons. One has to make a local call to an access number now--bit of a problem with a CDMA phone in Europe. Perhaps others here more knowledgeable about this stuff may have an answer. Seems SipDroid 1.1.8 beta using Gizmo5 on Motorola Droid may work --- put it in airplane mode, then turn on WiFi and likely can make VoIP calls. If no progress soon, hello Droid. An Outta Touch in GSM areas, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:06:45 2010 Received: (qmail 17620 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF196E180B2 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68173E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6509D3610002 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2058834AC034 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=q7FD15Xr545AYYxLuRxh8NAlF1RX961CvM641wXl56g= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=tAgAlZt8y4i__NPchq8A:9 a=t727KwEfETCiUimhTvEA:7 a=T60t13JBKcIC7kzpM8gDiRZSvt0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=oxF0xalRFQu4Ns3o:21 a=OxUKk6ikY4zMxi4L:21 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:33093] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 2C/C3-04511-D7B7D0C4; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:06:37 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:06:37 -0400 References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:06:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d7b85176164877110844 See Bob standing on a darkening expanse of naked landscape, waving goodbye to modern culture as it follows the sun into another day. All of which is to say, Mike, that I'm damned if I can make any sense of this at all. Phew! Seems I can rage all I want, but the effing light is _still_ dying. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:24 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > AG says: > > "Nice to see HP get Palm, just maybe that OS will see a revival of > sorts. Don't tell anybody, but my Palm Centro (which isn't even the > latest WebOS version) does a lot of things the iPhones/iPods/iPads > don't. At least with my Centro, I can send Alt-Codes." > > > I hope not too little too late. Droids and all the apps seem to be > taking off. One other advantage of the Pre and is that the whole old > phone can be run in emulation till any app you have and other stuff is > ported properly or if you just like it. The PIM is good (should be > given Palm's history). One major gripe in people who travel to GSM > areas and want to use VZW as the carrier there is no clear way to make > VOIP on wifi. I would already have one if that were the case. Don't > want to pay the tremendous roaming fees with one of their phones > witha > GSM chip.. > > Skype was taking a wait and see attitude before porting to WebOS. > Palm > stock was taking a nose dive---good thing HP bought them, though may > just delay the demise. > (Hope I'm wrong.) There is no SIP server that will work as there is > no > API for the microphone. People have succeeded in dialing a number but > no mic is a bit of a problem. Voxofone may port their app to the Pre > using wifi but that could be many moons. One has to make a local call > to an access number now--bit of a problem with a CDMA phone in Europe. > Perhaps others here more knowledgeable about this stuff may have an > answer. > > > Seems SipDroid 1.1.8 beta using Gizmo5 on Motorola Droid may work > --- > put it in airplane mode, then turn on WiFi and likely can make VoIP > calls. If no progress soon, hello Droid. > > An Outta Touch in GSM areas, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:30:59 2010 Received: (qmail 3695 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:30:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04785E1808F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2A1E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83834AC037 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEDC34AC036 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o57NUjLc021490 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:30:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d44.612332fe (37082) for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB064-d3d44c0d81173b4; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:30:39 -0400 Received: from webmail-d030 (webmail-d030.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.93]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC026-d3d44c0d81173b4; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:30:31 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:30:31 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.93) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:30:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD4B08DE8627F-22C4-5C67@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:30:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d8133263381357919056 See Bob standing on a darkening expanse of naked landscape, waving goodbye to modern culture as it follows the sun into another day. All of which is to say, Mike, that I'm damned if I can make any sense of this at all. Phew! Seems I can rage all I want, but the effing light is _still_ dying. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com Ha, Bottom line is I'll be fussing with my phone and you'll be capturing nice images. Actually just wanna be able to make a call over wifi on a CDMA phone so it will work in Europe and not cost a fortune. Verizon make get the next i-Phone but rumor has it AT&T sweetened the deal on the ipad business so mebbe it will be a year or more and not this summer till VZW will have access to them. I haven't checked the rumor mill stuff after today' s already leaked new I-phone was introduced. Think I'll leave not take any phone this trip and take an extra lens. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:36:25 2010 Received: (qmail 14469 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6B0E18089 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C87E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29073E47203 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87BCE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1053 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 23:36:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100607-2, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Pepper ID error, was: OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:36:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d827992572013633067 My wife made "wangs" for dinner tonight and I happened to pick up the wing sauce bottle and discovered I had made a serious error in identifying the pepper in Buffalo wing sauce. Many people know that Tabasco is a brand name for pepper sauce but, in addition to being the name of a state in Mexico, it is also a variety of the red pepper called Capsicum frutescens used in the making of Tabasco sauce. I thought that tabasco peppers were also used in Buffalo wing sauce but not so. We use Frank's Buffalo wing sauce and the bottle states that Frank's Redhot sauce (an older product dating to 1920) was the "secret ingredient" in the Anchor Bar's original wing sauce. But Frank's sauces are made with cayenne peppers (Capsicum annuum) and not tabasco peppers. Can't be too careful about what you put on your "wangs" if you want the genuine flavor. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No doubt they're called "wangs" some places well south of the > Mason-Dixon line but, despite being covered with Louisiana tabasco > pepper sauce, hot wings were invented at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New > York. > > This is the history of Buffalo wings > > > Note: There's more in the sauce than tabasco pepper sauce. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> I know them, Chuck, but I thought that they were called "wangs" :-) >> >> Chris >> On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:50, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> Wings here are never sandblasted, painted and repaired. They're just >>> deep fried in oil and coated with hot pepper sauce. Only your >>> stomach will rust. :-) >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:48:31 2010 Received: (qmail 838 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:48:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE6CE180BC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E33E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62BC3618004 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775423610002 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7165 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jun 2010 23:48:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jun 2010 23:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:48:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100607-2, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:48:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d854f274641006886880 I'm with you, Bob! I read Google news in the morning. I like to read the Science/Technology section except that these days half of the entries are either about phones or video games. Eh? What happened to the real science and technology? I have a cell phone. It sends and receives telephone calls. It also has a useless camera which I don't use. I know it can send and receive text messages but I don't understand why anyone would want to. I'm happy just using my phones for phoning and my laptop for laptopping and my computer for computing (as in image editing). Maybe a Kindle would be nice. Now there's some serious battery life. A week with wireless turned on and two weeks with it turned off. Makes the iPad's 10 hours looks measly. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > See Bob standing on a darkening expanse of naked landscape, waving > goodbye to modern culture as it follows the sun into another day. All > of which is to say, Mike, that I'm damned if I can make any sense of > this at all. Phew! Seems I can rage all I want, but the effing light > is _still_ dying. > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:24 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> AG says: >> >> "Nice to see HP get Palm, just maybe that OS will see a revival of >> sorts. Don't tell anybody, but my Palm Centro (which isn't even the >> latest WebOS version) does a lot of things the iPhones/iPods/iPads >> don't. At least with my Centro, I can send Alt-Codes." >> >> >> I hope not too little too late. Droids and all the apps seem to be >> taking off. One other advantage of the Pre and is that the whole old >> phone can be run in emulation till any app you have and other stuff is >> ported properly or if you just like it. The PIM is good (should be >> given Palm's history). One major gripe in people who travel to GSM >> areas and want to use VZW as the carrier there is no clear way to make >> VOIP on wifi. I would already have one if that were the case. Don't >> want to pay the tremendous roaming fees with one of their phones >> witha >> GSM chip.. >> >> Skype was taking a wait and see attitude before porting to WebOS. >> Palm >> stock was taking a nose dive---good thing HP bought them, though may >> just delay the demise. >> (Hope I'm wrong.) There is no SIP server that will work as there is >> no >> API for the microphone. People have succeeded in dialing a number but >> no mic is a bit of a problem. Voxofone may port their app to the Pre >> using wifi but that could be many moons. One has to make a local call >> to an access number now--bit of a problem with a CDMA phone in Europe. >> Perhaps others here more knowledgeable about this stuff may have an >> answer. >> >> >> Seems SipDroid 1.1.8 beta using Gizmo5 on Motorola Droid may work >> --- >> put it in airplane mode, then turn on WiFi and likely can make VoIP >> calls. If no progress soon, hello Droid. >> >> An Outta Touch in GSM areas, Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:50:13 2010 Received: (qmail 360 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:50:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727BFE180AB for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E19E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67F7E47208 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C09E47203 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so401840wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.6 with SMTP id z6mr2934090wee.79.1275954529953; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:48:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:50:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d85b5275109730998309 > On 6 June 2010 23:27, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > I saw the coronation speech of Henry V (1413), less than 200 years > before Shakespeare and it is almost completely unintelligible unless > you are familiar with Middle English. I'm sure I've seen a great hairy fellow do something of that nature, but I think it was Gaunt's great set-piece in Richard II ("this sceptered isle, this earth of majesty ..."). =A0This guy would have sooner played Falstaff as Hal. I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English speaker than it sounds. =A0Of course, we're guessing at the sound of English from those periods. In graduate school, I had a course in 16th century English poetry -- Surrey, Wyatt, Sidney were the main ones. =A0In one class a visiting professor who taught Anglo-Saxon (middle English is not really "taught" -- you just read it, slowly at first) read some of Wyatt's poems in a manner that in his expertise might have been very close to what it might have sounded like originally. =A0To my ears, it sounded more like a contemporary Irishman than anything else. =A0(The prof was an American, with a Scottish surname.) At one time, I wanted to hear Shakespeare always in the manner of the Royal Shakespeare Company. =A0Now, as long as the acting takes its life from the lines themselves, I don't really care. =A0American English is as proper a child of Elizabethan as Oxbridge. =A0I just don't get mixing accents. =A0All of a sudden there is this guy and he's supposed to be from California but he's a Brit! =A0This happens all the time these days on TV. Then you have Gwynneth Paltrow playing a costume Englishwoman and Jude Law an American from N. Carolina. =A0Don't these countries have actors to play their own? =A0Of course they do, but then I don't really care if the furriners do a good job. =A0Jude Law made "Cold Mountain" a great movie in my estimation, actually rivaling the book, and I finally got why Nicole Kidman is so well-liked for her work. =A0Still, it is just sort of hilarious that nobody could come up with a couple Murkins to play those roles. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 01:51:47 2010 Received: (qmail 24524 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2010 23:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:51:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC838E180A4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D54DE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BE7E47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C2FE47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so433138wyf.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:51:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.7 with SMTP id t7mr2895539wee.114.1275954690103; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.162.131 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:51:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:51:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 01:51:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d8613185052013633067 On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> My crack about Macs and conspicuous consumerism is based entirely on >> observations of students who find the Macbook especially appealing. >> (They ARE quite gorgeous I think.) > > The students? > > AG Especially. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 02:34:24 2010 Received: (qmail 21542 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 00:34:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15937E1809A for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D88E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E88BE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFF5E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100608003416.JPZL16574.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:34:16 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id TCnZ1e001233qdw02CnZiF; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:47:33 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=7Db_a9o6wtfAlUV2ME8A:9 a=gKKyNMoEDbHjxPRwJW-pnYeWn3QA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0817CB50C7B74FBD87FF7C0B72396D17@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:34:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 02:34:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d901056781220213263 Maybe a Kindle would be nice. Now there's some > serious battery life. A week with wireless turned on and two weeks with > it turned off. A Kindle is nice, especially for traveling. It lightens the load considerably, and keeps you out of those airport bookstores. I son't know what the wifi does when it's just idling, but eating batteries seems to be its big job. Like the iPhone, and iPod, which were designed by idiots, the batteries are permanantly inside a case with no obvious way to get to them. UGH!!! Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 02:52:46 2010 Received: (qmail 30735 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 00:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 00:52:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EEDE180A1 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0AEE2410D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE34E47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0C6E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8239 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jun 2010 00:52:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jun 2010 00:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0D9457.7050001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:52:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> <0817CB50C7B74FBD87FF7C0B72396D17@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <0817CB50C7B74FBD87FF7C0B72396D17@SueHome> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100607-2, 06/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 02:52:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d945e270131258626592 I think some consider that the technological life of the product is no more that the probable life of the batteries (3-5 years). Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Maybe a Kindle would be nice. Now there's some >> serious battery life. A week with wireless turned on and two weeks with >> it turned off. > A Kindle is nice, especially for traveling. It lightens the load > considerably, and keeps you out of those airport bookstores. > I son't know what the wifi does when it's just idling, but eating batteries > seems to be its big job. Like the iPhone, and iPod, which were designed by > idiots, the batteries are permanantly inside a case with no obvious way to > get to them. UGH!!! > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 03:24:27 2010 Received: (qmail 14453 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E09E18094 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC28CE2410D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE4334AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAC334AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100608012421.KMTH14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:24:21 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id TDdf1e00G233qdw02DdfAC; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:37:39 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/xTQmI1vQmH+Sb4jwMSBP/TSRaBd9B6SK/VG2ZWbm0= c=1 sm=1 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=NlUDmAUIqGv1lLsxC0IA:9 a=msX65y_R2VXhCS2sjNDS6GX21c0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <169A754CACC541E1B29875752CEEE4AB@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com><0817CB50C7B74FBD87FF7C0B72396D17@SueHome> <4C0D9457.7050001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:24:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 03:24:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0d9bcb141491258626592 >I think some consider that the technological life of the product is no > more that the probable life of the batteries (3-5 years). > > Chuck Norcutt > Sad but true. Where's the electronic equivelent of my Nikon F? Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 05:02:35 2010 Received: (qmail 9638 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBB3E180B5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63410E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6057634AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B9334AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7763 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jun 2010 03:02:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 05:02:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0db2cb83791073733319 I'm afraid it doesn't exist. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > >> I think some consider that the technological life of the product is no >> more that the probable life of the batteries (3-5 years). >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > Sad but true. Where's the electronic equivelent of my Nikon F? > > Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 07:07:09 2010 Received: (qmail 6778 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 05:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 05:07:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA83E180C1 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D24E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D61E47205 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C3CE47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so535942wyf.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.10 with SMTP id p10mr3746864wbt.7.1275973619341; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm18185037wbc.17.2010.06.07.22.06.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0D6209.4020306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:06:57 +0100 Message-Id: <3E571919-C02E-4D13-8DF2-775A62519E90@threeshoes.net> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> <4C0D6209.4020306@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 07:07:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0dcffd262142517112723 Ken You can switch off the auto-correction if you like: Settings, General, Keyboard -- if it's like the iPhone. Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:18, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > "One must very carefully proof everything written." You're in real > trouble then I guess. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: >>> I'm blaming the iPad touchscreen keyboard for all my foibles in this >>> thread. I've written tersely, I've offended Mac owners, and I've even >>> top-posted! I'm taking notice and going to do better. >> >> The autocorrection is a real pain. Most technical words are not in the >> library so if type a common technical word you'll get it changed two >> something entirely different which completely changes the meaning of >> the sentence. One must very carefully proof everything written. I must >> get a real keyboard too. Hopefully one which works with my palm >> centro. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 07:09:14 2010 Received: (qmail 20957 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 05:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 05:09:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67623E180A7 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3BE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB84E47204 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36B3E47201 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so507054wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.156.13 with SMTP id u13mr9287467wbw.184.1275973746434; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm18197126wbc.5.2010.06.07.22.09.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:09:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4C0D8270.8040201@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <4C0BD5C5.30008@chucknorcutt.com> <7ADFCE8C-B633-438D-8708-36500AD4015B@threeshoes.net> <4C0C180C.8040506@chucknorcutt.com> <87FE33F0-2156-430E-AC43-ECEC5D53FE71@threeshoes.net> <4C0D612E.50708@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0D8270.8040201@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <714470B1-33FD-49FD-9C63-C970CDD6C9C5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Pepper ID error, was: OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 07:09:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0dd07a308941220213263 :-) Thanks, Chuck. I have a feeling that my gut could do with a little rest from hot stuff, but that sounds delicious. I might have a hunt around in this country, especially with the BBQ season here. Chris On 8 Jun 2010, at 00:36, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My wife made "wangs" for dinner tonight and I happened to pick up the > wing sauce bottle and discovered I had made a serious error in > identifying the pepper in Buffalo wing sauce. Many people know that > Tabasco is a brand name for pepper sauce but, in addition to being the > name of a state in Mexico, it is also a variety of the red pepper called > Capsicum frutescens used in the making of Tabasco sauce. I thought that > tabasco peppers were also used in Buffalo wing sauce but not so. We use > Frank's Buffalo wing sauce and the bottle states that Frank's Redhot > sauce (an older product dating to 1920) was the "secret ingredient" in > the Anchor Bar's original wing sauce. But Frank's sauces are made with > cayenne peppers (Capsicum annuum) and not tabasco peppers. Can't be too > careful about what you put on your "wangs" if you want the genuine > flavor. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> No doubt they're called "wangs" some places well south of the >> Mason-Dixon line but, despite being covered with Louisiana tabasco >> pepper sauce, hot wings were invented at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New >> York. >> >> This is the history of Buffalo wings >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 07:24:41 2010 Received: (qmail 4983 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 05:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 05:24:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26DDE180A4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B05E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D78934AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2390334AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so512119wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.141.132 with SMTP id m4mr14995667wbu.166.1275974674770; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm18298406wbc.17.2010.06.07.22.24.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <201006072221.o57ML6Ls001033@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:24:33 +0100 Message-Id: <00A9364A-D647-4A47-81D4-ED148F763A87@threeshoes.net> References: <201006072221.o57ML6Ls001033@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 07:24:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0dd419161891234514069 I've had my iPhone for 14 months and the battery life hasn't changed as far as I can tell. Younger son tells me that the battery needs to be drained every so often, even though it's a Li battery. I should expect the iPad to be pretty good, and the next version even better. Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:21, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Ken Norton wrote: >> >> 2. Insane battery life. >> > > You've had it a week ? > > I'd be interested to hear how the batteries hold up after a year. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 07:26:47 2010 Received: (qmail 5105 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 05:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 05:26:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DE7E1808D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB647E240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E850234AC029 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8003C34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so542208wyf.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.204 with SMTP id i12mr9913171wbv.199.1275974802413; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm18310639wbc.5.2010.06.07.22.26.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:26:40 +0100 Message-Id: <00F04975-60EE-43AF-9568-55CF25195F2B@threeshoes.net> References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 07:26:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0dd497300481413256596 I didn't see that bit earlier, Ken. Press and hold any key on the iPad (or iPhone or touch) to see "Alt" versions of the output. For instance you get accents on letters and different URL extenders on ".com". Chris On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:24, usher99@aol.com wrote: > AG says: > > "Nice to see HP get Palm, just maybe that OS will see a revival of > sorts. Don't tell anybody, but my Palm Centro (which isn't even the > latest WebOS version) does a lot of things the iPhones/iPods/iPads > don't. At least with my Centro, I can send Alt-Codes. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 07:29:31 2010 Received: (qmail 23425 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 05:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 05:29:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB53E180A5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDBDE240E5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F384834AC029 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2AB34AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so513674wwa.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.137 with SMTP id g9mr14506318wbs.58.1275974963191; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm1168767wbd.7.2010.06.07.22.29.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4C0D9457.7050001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:29:21 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> <0817CB50C7B74FBD87FF7C0B72396D17@SueHome> <4C0D9457.7050001@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 07:29:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0dd53b139109730998309 You can get them changed, normally at the Apple shop. But it would cost you, of course. Chris On 8 Jun 2010, at 01:52, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think some consider that the technological life of the product is no > more that the probable life of the batteries (3-5 years). > > Chuck Norcutt > > Sue Pearce wrote: >> Maybe a Kindle would be nice. Now there's some >>> serious battery life. A week with wireless turned on and two weeks with >>> it turned off. >> A Kindle is nice, especially for traveling. It lightens the load >> considerably, and keeps you out of those airport bookstores. >> I son't know what the wifi does when it's just idling, but eating batteries >> seems to be its big job. Like the iPhone, and iPod, which were designed by >> idiots, the batteries are permanantly inside a case with no obvious way to >> get to them. UGH!!! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 09:32:33 2010 Received: (qmail 365 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 07:32:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B6E1808F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8735E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB19934AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E587134AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15802 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 07:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 07:32:20 -0000 Message-Id: <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:32:18 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 09:32:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0df211295961234514069 Henry V certainly spoke late Norman French at court as an everyday language and Latin as a formal language. The speeches he made to the hoi polloi would have sounded nothing like Shakespeare's versions at all but would have been in late Southern Middle English. Shakespeare is modern in comparison. Here's Chaucer writing a few decades before Henry's reign in the guise of a Miller - a symple gnof - They seyde, "The man is wood, my leeve brother"; And every wight gan laughen at this stryf Thus swyved was this carpenteris wyf, For al his kepyng and his jalousye; And Absolon hath kist hir nether ye; And Nicholas is scalded in the towte. This tale is doon, and God save al the rowte! We have a fair idea of pronunciation from the rhyme and rhythm. The style is deliberately crude - demotic English of the time. Or as Henry might have said at Harfleur - "Onis moore in ilke brache...." Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/06/2010, at 9:48 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I'm sure I've seen a great hairy fellow do something of that nature, > but I think it was Gaunt's great set-piece in Richard II ("this > sceptered isle, this earth of majesty ..."). This guy would have > sooner played Falstaff as Hal. > > I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English > speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of > English from those periods. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 10:38:06 2010 Received: (qmail 4242 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 08:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 08:38:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5223AE1809A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23A3E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB537E47203 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27731E47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so610722wwa.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.160.132 with SMTP id u4mr3116991wek.19.1275986278073; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.175.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:37:58 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 11:31:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e0dfe155761744846740 Tut tut - not THE and HOI ... On 8 June 2010 09:32, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The speeches he made to the hoi polloi would have sounded nothing like > Shakespeare's -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 11:51:52 2010 Received: (qmail 21508 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 09:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 09:51:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DF7E180C2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E045E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1E234AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97FC34AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLvTE-0005HC-22 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:51:44 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au><254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com><08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au><40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:51:30 +0100 Message-ID: <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsG7VMEpUBt1PsHQHmXicwGxRatPwAAsDXw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100608-0, 08/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 11:51:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e12b8222991073733319 Beat me to it, Jez. Tut tut indeed, and he seemed so erudite quoting Chaucer..... ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] Sent: 08 June 2010 10:31 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. Tut tut - not THE and HOI ... On 8 June 2010 09:32, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The speeches he made to the hoi polloi would have sounded nothing > like Shakespeare's -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 12:34:24 2010 Received: (qmail 11744 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 10:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:34:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C25E180A0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10693E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0789EE4720A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E84E47209 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19651 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 10:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:34:16 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:34:14 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au><254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com><08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au><40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 12:34:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e1cb0147891258626592 I know, I know... oi polloi...but who actually knows that these days. My own Attic Greek is pretty rusty - can hardly order a meal these days. Should have referred to them as riff raff perhaps. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/06/2010, at 7:51 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Beat me to it, Jez. Tut tut indeed, and he seemed so erudite quoting > Chaucer..... > > ;-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] > Sent: 08 June 2010 10:31 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. > > Tut tut - not THE and HOI ... > > On 8 June 2010 09:32, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> The speeches he made to the hoi polloi would have sounded nothing >> like Shakespeare's > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 12:43:12 2010 Received: (qmail 29054 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 10:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:43:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5865E1809E for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EECE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0EE47203 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D61E47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so730462wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.73 with SMTP id z51mr3398397wee.27.1275993783295; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.175.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:43:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 12:43:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e1ec0194961006886880 Hi Dawid and all, From: Dawid Loubser >Now, this may apply to certain optics in the standard-to-medium-wide >category (usually slow aperture ones) I'd say rangefinder lenses do have some advantage up to moderate-wide -- _some_ RF 50mm are relatively large. The sadly discontinued CV 50/2.5 has a surprising 7-element construction for such a slow lens, it allows a very compact barrel... but it's heavy! On the other hand, simpler designs like the Russians Industar-22, 50 & 61 (Tessar-like, but not exactly) have much longer barrels -- mostly empty inside, but long. On SLR mount these designs make _pancakes_, this time the shorter register of RFs is a disadvantage. >but one of the most telling >examples is at the 21mm focal length. Naysayers continue to post that >rangefinder optics "do not have to be retrofocus" Unless we're dealing with simple, theoretical thin lenses, the retrofocus issue is not qualitative, but _quantitative_. With so much optical trickery in any "modern" lens, it's really hard to tell sometimes, but the 'pupil magnification' (the diameter ratio between the exit and entrance pupils) could be an indicator of "how much" retrofocus is a certain lens. >(and no, they don't >- look at the Mamiya 7 lenses, for example) Much larger format means much larger lenses. Anyway, compare a Mamiya-7 wide with any equivalent MF SLR wide... >but the Leica 21mm f/2.8 >(a thoroughly modern design) is indeed a retrofocus lens, It's reasonable, like many of the CV wides, especially the 28/1.9 -- but the tiny 28/3.5 has near-unity pupil magnification, and the 35/2.5 is definitely a "tele". >and at f/ >2.8, it's a full stop slower than the Zuiko 21mm f/2.0, yet it's >larger and heavier in all respects. I wonder why this is? It's an unfair comparison :-) The 21/2 is, IMHO, Olympus' Masterwork -- there's NO match for it from any other maker. In fact, many SLR 21's at around f/3.5-4 ara much, much larger! It's also amazing that they were able pack the 'regular' Zuiko 21/3.5 into the small '50/1.8 form-factor', so early in the OM-system life. >but the genius of the Maitani team really is apparent when looking at >the remarkable 21/2.0. It _IS_ remarkable, nobody doubts it ;-) >== Leica 21/2.8 ASPH == >Length: 59mm >Filters: 55mm >Weight: 317g > >== Zuiko 21/2.0 == >Length: 44mm >Filters: 55mm >Weight: 250g Sure, but what about other makers? ==Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8 (Contax/Yashica)== Length: 90.5mm Filters: 82mm Weight: 530g And a pupil magnification of 3.04 (strong retrofocus). Roughly the dimensions of a Tamron 500mm (!) but only the front gets that wide... On the other hand, the equivalent lens from the same maker for a non-SLR system is indeed much smaller: ==Zeiss Biogon 21/2.8 (Contax G)== Length: 35mm Filters: 55mm Weigth: 200g Pupil magnification: 1.067 (almost no retrofocus) >Coupled with the fact that an OM-1 body is smaller (volume-wise) than >an M body (it's only higher at its highest point because of the prism) But you're overlooking the _depth_ of the body because of the mirror box! That's what makes a SLR body-only hardly pocketable, unlike a RF body. Then, when you consider the whole optical system (that is, including the flange-to-film distance) RF lenses (esp. wides) are indeed shorter -- this does make a difference when using adapters for micro-four-thirds cameras. >From your previous example, the Leica 21/2.8 is about 87mm (59+28) from the front of the lens to the film/sensor plane, whereas our beloved Zuiko 21/2 is a bit longer at 90mm (44+46). With some other lenses, the comparison gets amazing -- say, Summicron 35/2 IV pre-ASPH vs. the (awful to me) Zuiko 35/2... Back to the 21mm focal length, I did a graphical comparison: And that's without hoods... the Skopar's hood is diminutive, while the Zuiko's is huge! If you look at the next photo in the set, you may notice (it's hard to see in that pic) that the Skopar's front element is way smaller. This seems quite logical, since the front vertex is much closer to the principal plane, thus the "light cone" subtends a much smaller area -- allowing a much, much smaller hood, in turn. IME, this also has effect on flare resistance, more than what 30 years of coating advances could suggest. >I would say that, apart from noise and possibly higher shock caused by >the Mirror, for low-light, wide-angle shooting, an OM body beats the >pants off any rangefinder, ...the viewfinder black-out during the crucial moment (the exposure!) -- although nobody prevents you from using a 'fiddly, external finder' on top of a SLR :-) >especially because of, for the 21mm focal >length, the superiority of a accurate 0.91x reflex finder vs. a Focusing a super-wide on the matte field is difficult indeed (at least to me), especially with the f/3.5 version. A properly designed microprism or split image may help, but they are comparatively "slow" and/or unsuited for the slow version. OTOH, the CV 21 on the Bessa-T (long RF base) is unnecessarily accurate -- you don't actually need to "match" the images, getting them "close" will suffice! >fiddly, external finder (which admittedly will be brighter, but >doesn't help with focusing). And then there's the remarkable Bessa R4M / R4A with their built-in 21-to-50mm finder+rangefinder... BTW, looking thru this finder is a _completely different_ experience from the OM finder with a 21mm lens on it -- despite the slightly wider field (you can see a bit _outside_ the frame ;-) perspective doesn't look so exaggerated... >"Contemplating black coffee" > A nice, relaxing picture... with a sad story behind. Really well captured. >The OM-1 is amazing for this sort of work, after >guessing exposure, I set shutter speed, aperture, and guess focus, by "feel" >while the camera was hidden on my lap, and then in an instant took the >image. You could operate a RF the same way. It's not the camera who takes the picture... >I have had the pleasure of only shooting about 100 frames of Pan F in >my life, but I think I absolutely adore its qualities Much like the same here... although doesn't seem that hard to get, I can buy it even locally! >Speaking of adoring things, I also adore the 135/3.5 lens, it blows my mind that >such a budget lens could be built so well, so small, so smooth. What a jewel! It is indeed. The only "flaw" I can see on it is its comparatively poor flare resistance -- and this is one of the _few_ Zuikos never made with multi-coating, not even the latest ones marked 'Zuiko Auto-T 135mm 1:3,5' :-( Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 12:45:37 2010 Received: (qmail 19235 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 10:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:45:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91C9E180A7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAC5E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E1EE47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5D7E47207 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com (mail-yw0-f186.google.com [209.85.211.186]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so3786370ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:45:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.16.4 with SMTP id 4mr15927050anp.2.1275993924740; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.4.3 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:45:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:45:24 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UReeST7GcHWtukWFxKux1u6iixU Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 12:45:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e1f51109421234514069 And now he's dropping his aitches ... On 8 June 2010 12:34, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I know, I know... oi polloi... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 12:58:22 2010 Received: (qmail 31455 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC3EE180A3 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FA7E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D404FE47207 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C6AE47204 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17734 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 10:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 10:58:15 -0000 Message-Id: <81461EA7-DE6D-422F-88FD-A27D605ADFF8@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:58:15 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 12:58:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e224e62172013633067 The 'o' is aspirated - this was originally indicated by an accent (diacritical mark) on the 'i' but then the Greeks dropped that so don't blame me. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/06/2010, at 8:45 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > And now he's dropping his aitches ... > > On 8 June 2010 12:34, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> I know, I know... oi polloi... > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 13:01:15 2010 Received: (qmail 2359 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 11:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:01:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC29E1809B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C990E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8996334AC029 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4969834AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLwYN-00026j-OY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:01:07 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au><254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com><08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au><40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au><04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:00:54 +0100 Message-ID: <43FB14E8023046EA9DD3AE8CC59DE670@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsG97onBT3cG3QMQY2LIvvKwQNcEAAAfddg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100608-0, 08/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 13:01:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e22fb200281234514069 An "aspiration" of mine, but evidently not 'is. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] Sent: 08 June 2010 11:45 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. And now he's dropping his aitches ... On 8 June 2010 12:34, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I know, I know... oi polloi... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 13:05:13 2010 Received: (qmail 22884 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 11:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:05:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27ED6E1809F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383B2E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF9C34AC02B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A734AC02A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (csdunek@gmx.com whitelisted) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 11:05:07 -0000 Received: from c-71-238-169-129.hsd1.mi.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.0.104]) [71.238.169.129] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us003) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 07:05:07 -0400 X-Authenticated: #58083967 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX181lWtYXjs11Q53MHPFEM+uPB4hx4Cb3kR3QJ95Cy PNPqS+0wRiobpY Message-ID: <4C0E23E9.2020402@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:05:13 -0400 From: Charles Sdunek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 13:05:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e23e9170101950411718 Thanks everyone, for your advice. Charles -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 13:23:33 2010 Received: (qmail 21696 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 11:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:23:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F7E180B4 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71BCE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8D534AC02E for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8550834AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p9DqPA+16692M+eMIxlhFGv4owfx+Lo7Niv9nL2GcYg= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=I-EIJpDMfYqBFkaonxYA:9 a=YQR-nQpkzHQTwAY91_E7-rrzhuAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:48596] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 64/78-03181-E282E0C4; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:23:27 +0000 Message-Id: <70E9DFED-BCA9-4251-9521-4B652CD4374A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCD4B08DE8627F-22C4-5C67@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:23:26 -0400 References: <8CCD4B08DE8627F-22C4-5C67@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 13:23:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e2835318121136683642 Now _that_ I understand. If Verizon were accessible to iPad, I'd probably get one eventually, because all the towers in our area are U.S. Cellular, which has a tower-sharing/protocol agreement with Verizon. AT&T works in urban Maine, but out here in the sticks, it ain't happening. So, from time to time when viewing AT&T commercials, I cordially invite the former Ma Bell to go eff itself. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:30 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Think I'll leave not take any phone this trip and take an extra lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 13:29:40 2010 Received: (qmail 8816 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 11:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:29:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E488E180B8 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7ACE2410D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6896DE47203 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD3AE47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=msixzlU2h-4Mkck5MowA:9 a=bBTej4IrPrQaJIm5IYPqk0wGJq4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:48191] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D5/D2-17309-8992E0C4; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:29:28 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:29:28 -0400 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 13:29:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e29a4255909730998309 I recall reading somewhere, and I'm almost sure it wasn't DeePee Review, that if one were to have visited the Globe in Old Will's day, what one would have heard from the stage would have been very like current Southern U.S. I don't know if it was a disgruntled Confederate making this claim . . . I merely pass it along for what it's worth, which is somewhere next to nothing. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English > speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of > English from those periods. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 13:48:15 2010 Received: (qmail 24110 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 11:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:48:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3ABE180A0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2D1E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C292034AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172D334AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16329 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 11:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:48:07 -0000 Message-Id: <863CA300-F739-4942-8A2D-2024AF708A22@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:48:07 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 13:48:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e2dff65865368819438 Murkin propoganda - a thin justification for using Elizabethan redundancies like 'gotten'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/06/2010, at 9:29 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I recall reading somewhere, and I'm almost sure it wasn't DeePee > Review, that if one were to have visited the Globe in Old Will's day, > what one would have heard from the stage would have been very like > current Southern U.S. I don't know if it was a disgruntled Confederate > making this claim . . . I merely pass it along for what it's worth, > which is somewhere next to nothing. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English >> speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of >> English from those periods. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 14:25:04 2010 Received: (qmail 19010 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 12:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 12:25:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1A6E180B3 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9621E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D043F34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A792D34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.223.19]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3P00LA03TDPRS0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:24:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C0E3693.80507@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:24:51 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0C386F.8070409@gmx.com> <4C0D63E2.4020700@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C0D63E2.4020700@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3 adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 14:25:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e36a078001744846740 Interest in that item has perked up recently on the item, Though my regular price is $89.95. B&H can afford to make so little on it, I can't. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > CameraQuest no longer makes a 4/3 adapter for OM mount lenses. It's no > wonder since the Olympus product is considerably cheaper than the > CameraQuest product when it was available. I'd buy a chrome plated > brass adapter from ebay and throw it away if it doesn't do the job. If > you want the Olympus product you can probably get a good price from John > Hermanson who I think has offered list members a discount in the past. > Otherwise you can get one at B&H for $83.99 > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> www.cameraquest.com >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Charles Sdunek wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if any of you could recommend an aftermarket 4/3 adapter >>> to use on my E-520. I'd buy a real Olympus one, but money is tight, and >>> I'd really like to try some of my old glass on my new camera. I've seen >>> quite a few on the auction site and other places on the internet that >>> might work, but I don't want a complete piece of trash, and even more, I >>> don't want to take a chance on damaging the mount on either camera body >>> or lens. >>> >>> Thanks for any advice you can give. >>> >>> Charles >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 14:32:57 2010 Received: (qmail 27864 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 12:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 12:32:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9697FE18089 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1FDE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3B0E47204 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D05E47203 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 175 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:47:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:32:45 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus OM lens size vs Leica M (e.g. 21mm f/2.0) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 14:32:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e3879281793900897491 Carlos, I enjoyed your long and belated reply to my thread. Some comments inline below: On 08 Jun 2010, at 12:43 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Unless we're dealing with simple, theoretical thin lenses, the > retrofocus > issue is not qualitative, but _quantitative_. With so much optical > trickery > in any "modern" lens, it's really hard to tell sometimes, but the > 'pupil > magnification' (the diameter ratio between the exit and entrance > pupils) > could be an indicator of "how much" retrofocus is a certain lens. I've never though about it that way, but it makes a lot of sense. Wow, then the 21/2 is *very* retrofocus, the rear exit pupil is very large compared to the front one. >> (and no, they don't >> - look at the Mamiya 7 lenses, for example) > > Much larger format means much larger lenses. Anyway, compare a > Mamiya-7 wide > with any equivalent MF SLR wide... The Mamiya 7 super wide-angle optics are actually pleasantly small, I find: 58mm filter size, comparable to small-ish 35mm SLR lenses. Unlike the huge and heavy RB7 lenses I use, they are monsters. At least they all take the same 77mm filter size, from 50mm to 250mm (all at f/4.5) >> and at f/ >> 2.8, it's a full stop slower than the Zuiko 21mm f/2.0, yet it's >> larger and heavier in all respects. I wonder why this is? > > It's an unfair comparison :-) The 21/2 is, IMHO, Olympus' Masterwork > -- > there's NO match for it from any other maker. In fact, many SLR 21's > at > around f/3.5-4 ara much, much larger! It's also amazing that they > were able > pack the 'regular' Zuiko 21/3.5 into the small '50/1.8 form-factor', > so > early in the OM-system life. > >> but the genius of the Maitani team really is apparent when looking at >> the remarkable 21/2.0. > > It _IS_ remarkable, nobody doubts it ;-) I feel the same way, one of the very special lenses that the OM system has delivered. Everybody who owns one is very very lucky... > Sure, but what about other makers? > > ==Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8 (Contax/Yashica)== > Length: 90.5mm > Filters: 82mm > Weight: 530g > > And a pupil magnification of 3.04 (strong retrofocus). Roughly the > dimensions of a Tamron 500mm (!) but only the front gets that wide... The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. But the Zuiko 21/2.0 can probably claim title of "second best" SLR 21, and it's so much faster and smaller. >> Coupled with the fact that an OM-1 body is smaller (volume-wise) than >> an M body (it's only higher at its highest point because of the >> prism) > > But you're overlooking the _depth_ of the body because of the mirror > box! > That's what makes a SLR body-only hardly pocketable, unlike a RF body. You're right, of course the OM mirror box is much deeper than the rest of the body. It's well-disguised in the design, but it does make the package much deeper with almost any lens fitted. > Back to the 21mm focal length, I did a graphical comparison: > > I saw this shot a while ago, never realised it was yours! Nice comparison, brings the point across very well. The 21mm Voigtlander is incredibly tiny. >> I would say that, apart from noise and possibly higher shock caused >> by >> the Mirror, for low-light, wide-angle shooting, an OM body beats the >> pants off any rangefinder, > > ...the viewfinder black-out during the crucial moment (the > exposure!) -- > although nobody prevents you from using a 'fiddly, external finder' > on top > of a SLR :-) I agree, but that'll make the SLR even much bigger. Nobody denies the advantage of seeing the subject at the moment of exposure, it would make up for all the rangefinder disadvantages in my opinion. > And then there's the remarkable Bessa R4M / R4A with their built-in > 21-to-50mm finder+rangefinder... BTW, looking thru this finder is a > _completely different_ experience from the OM finder with a 21mm > lens on it > -- despite the slightly wider field (you can see a bit _outside_ the > frame > ;-) perspective doesn't look so exaggerated... I have never used a R4* but I can imagine the 21mm finder to be lovely. Can one still accurately focus fast wide lenses, like the 35/1.2, you think ? > >> "Contemplating black coffee" >> > > A nice, relaxing picture... with a sad story behind. Really well > captured. Thank you Carlos. >> The OM-1 is amazing for this sort of work, after >> guessing exposure, I set shutter speed, aperture, and guess focus, by > "feel" >> while the camera was hidden on my lap, and then in an instant took >> the >> image. > > You could operate a RF the same way. It's not the camera who takes the > picture... Sure. My point was really that, this is a manner of working that many rangefinder users tout as being the exclusive domain of those cameras. What gives the OM the edge, in my opinion, is that it's possibly easier to set shutter speed by "feel alone" with the OM's bayonet shutter speed ring, and furthermore that one can set shutter speed, focus, and aperture quickly with one hand "by feel". Then again, anybody who knows their camera really well will probably be able to do this. > >> I have had the pleasure of only shooting about 100 frames of Pan F in >> my life, but I think I absolutely adore its qualities > > Much like the same here... although doesn't seem that hard to get, I > can buy > it even locally! Lucky you. I am going to order a bulk roll from overseas sometime. It's non-existent around here. al the best, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 15:17:46 2010 Received: (qmail 25234 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 13:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 13:17:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4411AE180CD for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254CAE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDB34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5A834AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so3207167gyg.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.188.18 with SMTP id l18mr16381230ybf.166.1276003060007; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm25827342ibf.1.2010.06.08.06.17.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <41FD62AD-FC93-40E9-A019-75086990FAE5@gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:20:02 -0500 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 15:17:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e42fa225432439112457 Chaucer seems modern in comparison. The only problem for most modern readers is a bit of vocabulary. Once you know what "swyving" is (a fairly polite word for the act) and that "nether ye" is a euphemism for the ers, it all sorts itself out. Makes one realize how much French changed the language. I thought I was pretty good at it after reading Chaucer and then had to read Piers Plowman. The northern dialects were very tough for me. I think that Shakespeare is modern only in the sense that once acquainted with his works, we cannot let them die, and that does us some good. He poured the language into a kind of concrete and we do some maintenance as best we can. Moreso the King James Bible. And it doesn't hurt that Henry Tutor and his daughter counted themselves pure English and had made enemies of most of contemporary Europe at the time. Joel W. On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Henry V certainly spoke late Norman French at court as an everyday > language and Latin as a formal language. The speeches he made to the > hoi polloi would have sounded nothing like Shakespeare's versions at > all but would have been in late Southern Middle English. Shakespeare > is modern in comparison. > Here's Chaucer writing a few decades before Henry's reign in the guise > of a Miller - a symple gnof - > > They seyde, "The man is wood, my leeve brother"; > And every wight gan laughen at this stryf > Thus swyved was this carpenteris wyf, > For al his kepyng and his jalousye; > And Absolon hath kist hir nether ye; > And Nicholas is scalded in the towte. > This tale is doon, and God save al the rowte! > > We have a fair idea of pronunciation from the rhyme and rhythm. The > style is deliberately crude - demotic English of the time. > Or as Henry might have said at Harfleur - > "Onis moore in ilke brache...." > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/06/2010, at 9:48 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> I'm sure I've seen a great hairy fellow do something of that nature, >> but I think it was Gaunt's great set-piece in Richard II ("this >> sceptered isle, this earth of majesty ..."). This guy would have >> sooner played Falstaff as Hal. >> >> I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English >> speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of >> English from those periods. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 15:26:00 2010 Received: (qmail 16482 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A84DE180CB for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A866E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52893E47203 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EA5E47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so2576004iwn.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.66 with SMTP id dl2mr6019147ibb.101.1276003552370; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (71-38-183-153.cdrr.qwest.net [71.38.183.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm25824725ibg.21.2010.06.08.06.25.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B367) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:28:23 -0500 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 15:26:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e44e8126172013633067 The dialect in some isolated villages in the Chesapeake area are thought to have retained some Elizabethan traits. So I have heard and do in part believe it, as Horatio says. Joel W. On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I recall reading somewhere, and I'm almost sure it wasn't DeePee > Review, that if one were to have visited the Globe in Old Will's day, > what one would have heard from the stage would have been very like > current Southern U.S. I don't know if it was a disgruntled Confederate > making this claim . . . I merely pass it along for what it's worth, > which is somewhere next to nothing. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English >> speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of >> English from those periods. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 16:24:51 2010 Received: (qmail 8557 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 14:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 14:24:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016C0E180B8 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BCBE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23126E47204 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF046E47201 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=CQ8apfqsuHYLAryq__EA:9 a=aFmTE2NpyczGCrTx1JBmxVyDrJkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:48866] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 8F/FE-17309-AA25E0C4; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:24:43 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:24:42 -0400 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 16:24:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e52b350881413256596 Aye, and in coastal North Carolina, along the Outer Banks, as well as the extreme western part of the state. I'm told there are places in Maine as well, but I haven't heard it. On a different but oh so slightly related subject: A waitress in a small sandwich shop I frequented for lunch many years ago used to send her patrons off with a hearty "Caio, y'uns!" God Bless Diversity. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > The dialect in some isolated villages in the Chesapeake area are > thought to have retained some Elizabethan traits. So I have heard > and do in part believe it, as Horatio says. > > Joel W. > > > > On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Bob Whitmire > wrote: > >> I recall reading somewhere, and I'm almost sure it wasn't DeePee >> Review, that if one were to have visited the Globe in Old Will's >> day, >> what one would have heard from the stage would have been very like >> current Southern U.S. I don't know if it was a disgruntled >> Confederate >> making this claim . . . I merely pass it along for what it's worth, >> which is somewhere next to nothing. >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >>> I'm sure it "reads" more intelligibly to the modern native English >>> speaker than it sounds. Of course, we're guessing at the sound of >>> English from those periods. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 16:27:38 2010 Received: (qmail 22630 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 14:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 14:27:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9F6E180B8 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2813BE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7CAE4720A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1700E47204 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=9Bf196UViV910NMXyKoA:9 a=oV08fzSpnPdXyGLFOD0A:7 a=xzExGnlpE1OyPruiTjIoRKTq8OMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=F-yWCiWm_GAzxJYh:21 a=bLkJ53_H3woOIkw0:21 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:42212] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id B8/92-17309-B435E0C4; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:27:23 +0000 Message-Id: <9D422F66-4235-4763-A659-45958250B8DC@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:27:22 -0400 References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 16:27:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e535a117721234514069 I text two to three times a month. It's useful for sending a quick thought--usually a request for a favor--to someone you know is working. For example, I might text my wife to bring home some bacon. Saves a phone call with all the interruptions and such. Though the fill-out-the-word feature is rather annoying. I befuddled it yesterday by using the word flotsam in a text. Stupid phone didn't know how to finish _that_ one. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I know it can send and receive text messages but I don't > understand why anyone would want to. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 16:40:30 2010 Received: (qmail 28037 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 14:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 14:40:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ECCE180B5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2DFE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B219A34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7203134AC02B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so3294762gyg.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.105.40 with SMTP id h40mr17401030anm.184.1276008019236; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.4.3 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9D422F66-4235-4763-A659-45958250B8DC@roadrunner.com> References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> <9D422F66-4235-4763-A659-45958250B8DC@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:40:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lHaH4JFgKpSBdZ6lXlhlBDCNBdk Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 16:40:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e565e233432439112457 But I guess jetsam got through ok? On 8 June 2010 16:27, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I text two to three times a month. It's useful for sending a quick > thought--usually a request for a favor--to someone you know is > working. For example, I might text my wife to bring home some bacon. > Saves a phone call with all the interruptions and such. Though the > fill-out-the-word feature is rather annoying. I befuddled it yesterday > by using the word flotsam in a text. Stupid phone didn't know how to > finish _that_ one. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 17:04:23 2010 Received: (qmail 3523 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 15:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 15:04:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B91E180CC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1CEE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC11CE4720C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5322AE47207 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so2673600iwn.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.160.205 with SMTP id o13mr6288203ibx.111.1276009456747; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3E571919-C02E-4D13-8DF2-775A62519E90@threeshoes.net> References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> <4C0D6209.4020306@chucknorcutt.com> <3E571919-C02E-4D13-8DF2-775A62519E90@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:04:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PFschhi81nDiwUM3zyMpzfHRYsY Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 17:04:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e5bf7194072439112457 btw, i posted an introduction review of the iPad on www.zone-10.com for your entertainment. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 17:06:38 2010 Received: (qmail 6941 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 15:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 15:06:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C00E180B5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68795E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA0634AC02B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1882234AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p9DqPA+16692M+eMIxlhFGv4owfx+Lo7Niv9nL2GcYg= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=D1xnLfzsxzEiHfXjWvkA:9 a=LFfP79JoT47gpDtAJz8AAJQkY_IA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:40123] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 9F/B6-03181-C6C5E0C4; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:06:20 +0000 Message-Id: <10A2C2DE-3E42-41FA-A6C5-49426A1D4E8F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:06:19 -0400 References: <8CCD4A75F340053-22C4-4DC3@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> <4C0D8547.6070105@chucknorcutt.com> <9D422F66-4235-4763-A659-45958250B8DC@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 17:06:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e5c7e227701950411718 Didn't use it. Only flotsam. Being a bit of a risk-taker with language . . . --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > But I guess jetsam got through ok? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 17:10:10 2010 Received: (qmail 11769 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 15:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 15:10:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD9E180C9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D781E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B82EE47212 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C831E4720D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Skipped realtime scan (reason 3) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so3327379gyg.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.99.13 with SMTP id w13mr14787739ybb.139.1276009802765; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:10:02 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9UeNKkljjVtcktkPaY-abuHZ2n8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 17:10:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e5d52168741879814018 I had a girlfriend from Saco who could do the old english routine like nobody's business. But that might have been an aberration since she was in theatre. I doubt many would confuse Saco with Old World "culture". AG On Tuesday, June 8, 2010, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Aye, and in coastal North Carolina, along the Outer Banks, as well as > the extreme western part of the state. I'm told there are places in > Maine as well, but I haven't heard it. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 20:05:31 2010 Received: (qmail 23976 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 18:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 18:05:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF41AE180B5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE34BE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7C2E4720E for ; 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Everyone knows the Center of Old World Culture in the New World is Biddeford. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I doubt many would confuse Saco with Old World > "culture". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 20:24:37 2010 Received: (qmail 32074 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 18:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 18:24:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBDEE180B3 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0595DE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC41A34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813E634AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1152901wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.72.145 with SMTP id m17mr1285414wbj.164.1276021470839; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm4212272wbc.2.2010.06.08.11.24.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <81461EA7-DE6D-422F-88FD-A27D605ADFF8@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:24:27 +0100 Message-Id: <44D6AB69-AEE2-4E44-86A4-44653EB79A27@threeshoes.net> References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au> <04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3> <81461EA7-DE6D-422F-88FD-A27D605ADFF8@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 20:24:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0e8ae5308892013633067 Oh, there's a hook and AndrewF is biting "-) Chris p.s. we go around this buoy once a year now, I think ... On 8 Jun 2010, at 11:58, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The 'o' is aspirated - this was originally indicated by an accent > (diacritical mark) on the 'i' but then the Greeks dropped that so > don't blame me. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 21:58:40 2010 Received: (qmail 24360 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 19:58:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C27E180B7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BE8E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0EC34AC039 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA06B34AC036 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OM4wQ-0001A4-W2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:58:31 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au><254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com><08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au><40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au><04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3><81461EA7-DE6D-422F-88FD-A27D605ADFF8@people.net.au> <44D6AB69-AEE2-4E44-86A4-44653EB79A27@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:58:16 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <44D6AB69-AEE2-4E44-86A4-44653EB79A27@threeshoes.net> Thread-Index: AcsHN9p2ngBjdN2XSGuqMAbSQm/DlAADIH6g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100608-1, 08/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 21:58:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ea0f049416107113666 Perhaps not once a year. A quick search reveals April 2009, September 2007 and February 2003 - what were we doing in 2005? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 08 June 2010 19:24 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. Oh, there's a hook and AndrewF is biting "-) Chris p.s. we go around this buoy once a year now, I think ... On 8 Jun 2010, at 11:58, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The 'o' is aspirated - this was originally indicated by an accent > (diacritical mark) on the 'i' but then the Greeks dropped that so > don't blame me. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 22:01:26 2010 Received: (qmail 17775 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 20:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 20:01:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EC7E1808D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327E1E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB034AC033 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3AF34AC03A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1250949wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.204 with SMTP id a12mr778695wbj.153.1276027253941; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm49340894wba.9.2010.06.08.13.00.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:00:51 +0100 Message-Id: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au><254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com><08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au><40DF1B47-73DA-4916-986F-184079269D5F@people.net.au><04985E18E40E47B28682407534DCF56B@your9ya3hf92n3><81461EA7-DE6D-422F-88FD-A27D605ADFF8@people.net.au> <44D6AB69-AEE2-4E44-86A4-44653EB79A27@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 22:01:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ea196140711946193717 So I wasn't far off ... :-) Chris On 8 Jun 2010, at 20:58, Piers Hemy wrote: > Perhaps not once a year. A quick search reveals April 2009, September 2007 > and February 2003 - what were we doing in 2005? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: 08 June 2010 19:24 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. > > Oh, there's a hook and AndrewF is biting "-) > > Chris > p.s. we go around this buoy once a year now, I think ... > On 8 Jun 2010, at 11:58, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> The 'o' is aspirated - this was originally indicated by an accent >> (diacritical mark) on the 'i' but then the Greeks dropped that so >> don't blame me. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 22:04:30 2010 Received: (qmail 28293 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 20:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 22:04:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ea24e29031946193717 But I have this one, and it's good: http://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Style-Michael-Dummett/dp/0715624229/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_7 Thanks for sending me on that interesting trail, Boris :-) Chris On 8 Jun 2010, at 19:05, Willie Wonka wrote: > I think quet a few peeps on this list could have written this book...:) > > Best > > Boris > > http://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Snobs-Are-Great-Meanies/dp/0143036831 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 8 22:28:16 2010 Received: (qmail 15874 invoked by uid 0); 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 8 22:28:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ea7e0247291342116753 Ah, I seem to recall that she had nothing good to say aboud Biddeford. Just out of curiosity, I just googlemapped the street she grew up on and i think the old place has been torn down. I visited there a number of times and always got a kick out of it because not one ceiling was taller than six foot. As they were of Chinese origin, the ceiling height was never a problem for them. Going upstairs or down into the basement was like spelunking. AG On Tuesday, June 8, 2010, Bob Whitmire wrote: > That is correct. Everyone knows the Center of Old World Culture in the > New World is Biddeford. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 00:05:39 2010 Received: (qmail 7667 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 22:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 22:05:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8173E18071 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D034E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8466AE47246 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CE7E47241 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20311 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jun 2010 22:05:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100608-1, 06/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Pepper ID error, was: OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 00:05:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ebeb2193081076813867 Here's the product we use and the standard method of preparation In the oven at very high temperature to make them crispy as they would be if deep fat fried in oil like the real thing. Then just coat them with sauce. But to further simulate the real thing you need to use this which is just vinegar, salt and peppers much like Tabasco sauce. But to turn it into wing sauce you need to add melted butter. The pre-made wing sauce uses vegetable oil and butter flavoring plus some garlic. Not bad but not the real thing. If you want to do them on the grill you can do that too. Pick your choice from 59 different recipes including grilled wings Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > :-) > > Thanks, Chuck. I have a feeling that my gut could do with a little > rest from hot stuff, but that sounds delicious. I might have a hunt > around in this country, especially with the BBQ season here. > > Chris > > On 8 Jun 2010, at 00:36, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> My wife made "wangs" for dinner tonight and I happened to pick up >> the wing sauce bottle and discovered I had made a serious error in >> identifying the pepper in Buffalo wing sauce. Many people know >> that Tabasco is a brand name for pepper sauce but, in addition to >> being the name of a state in Mexico, it is also a variety of the >> red pepper called Capsicum frutescens used in the making of Tabasco >> sauce. I thought that tabasco peppers were also used in Buffalo >> wing sauce but not so. We use Frank's Buffalo wing sauce and the >> bottle states that Frank's Redhot sauce (an older product dating to >> 1920) was the "secret ingredient" in the Anchor Bar's original wing >> sauce. But Frank's sauces are made with cayenne peppers (Capsicum >> annuum) and not tabasco peppers. Can't be too careful about what >> you put on your "wangs" if you want the genuine flavor. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> No doubt they're called "wangs" some places well south of the >>> Mason-Dixon line but, despite being covered with Louisiana >>> tabasco pepper sauce, hot wings were invented at the Anchor Bar >>> in Buffalo, New York. >>> >>> This is the history of Buffalo wings >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 00:14:05 2010 Received: (qmail 24576 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 22:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 22:14:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4311FE18093 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6104E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D65E472CF for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635FE472C8 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26050 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jun 2010 22:13:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jun 2010 22:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0EC0A3.7060708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:13:55 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006072221.o57ML6Ls001033@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> <00A9364A-D647-4A47-81D4-ED148F763A87@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <00A9364A-D647-4A47-81D4-ED148F763A87@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100608-1, 06/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 00:14:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ec0ad297141950411718 Perhaps more than you want to know about living with Li batteries: Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > I've had my iPhone for 14 months and the battery life hasn't changed > as far as I can tell. Younger son tells me that the battery needs to > be drained every so often, even though it's a Li battery. I should > expect the iPad to be pretty good, and the next version even better. > > Chris > > On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:21, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >>> Ken Norton wrote: >>> >>> 2. Insane battery life. >>> >> You've had it a week ? >> >> I'd be interested to hear how the batteries hold up after a year. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 00:16:23 2010 Received: (qmail 16511 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 22:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 22:16:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE5E180A6 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13081E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF43EE472E0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE6DE472DF for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 74740 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2010 22:15:25 -0000 Message-ID: <149637.74452.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zFlOt4UVM1mUbPzYtnJfXDEAmF6msW2W8L_asgzcsV4F3SR gEPaCn6N8wN.E6e3exIE870sU_00jjBz9shshAeNZPaBGcfq3mwLWDnA.p9i dHBaAB0_WC8X.vAUsrwsr_JgdCdqYFG1iuxwPJnQ9Gl9igV8XLSYCxIPvZ6W EH3BOf4APD_G0rFW_yy6d2kuQcGp5U4SJojnGbZ3yLUTqtNcGhoph33PteCY Ndu46WZTP55OAyU_UPd0xzTjOxaCLegCA0TnNL_U8tOyD_OPKidBfSg8hgt9 Co7NjR2DsiglqYardt69sV.Y12Q-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:15:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0EC0A3.7060708@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 00:16:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ec13712721744846740 My battery is fine also but the phone flips out every now and then. Memory = drain has been awful. I constantly use the free memory app. I also wish I c= ould switch carriers. = > = > Chris Barker wrote: > > I've had my iPhone for 14 months and the battery life > hasn't changed > > as far as I can tell.=A0 Younger son tells me that > the battery needs to > > be drained every so often, even though it's a Li > battery.=A0 I should > > expect the iPad to be pretty good, and the next > version even better. = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 00:18:48 2010 Received: (qmail 2488 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 22:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 22:18:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4E8E1809C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3785CE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D7E3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A5734AC038 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87494 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2010 22:17:58 -0000 Message-ID: <975045.87314.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: v_q5r4oVM1mU2v3PwLvt3bihY7D7uggL9ecgGdiMv6uD3.Z 7AMl7G.e2Nh3KNSNaDNs1SYZHVF65mLiJuLeLIV.h7WWsQur2tokEvSrEUuk GUtrWtN0wdDE0KJh9kLF7kAm22js6TzYDZ0ompxURA0Pf84gfBufviBjN2Sa m2QuWxIVwmXxlHqO2aY4_HNhwomvgatjFViRhQOxmdbsA9VfY4_X3i5ZhJyr ZEmgoNQ3bxsUlL8qwzIS1u1AVYxgEERz.axwNU2P0t9uVMMbP94hhHeuvsgJ shRupEOZQot9gaLFBT_DRqYrk7Gp3EKM7E4k. 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Wango Tango is great. These are available in local grocery stores (at least around here): http://www.dinosaurbarbque.com/browseProducts.php?cat=1 For additional flavor and heat I suggest: http://www.elyucateco.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 01:11:14 2010 Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3C1E18098 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C47AE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3841734AC03C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D88234AC03F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20052 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 23:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 4:05 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > I think quet a few peeps on this list could have written this > book...:) > > Best > > Boris > > http://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Snobs-Are-Great-Meanies/dp/0143036831 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 01:29:19 2010 Received: (qmail 18685 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2010 23:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 23:29:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692B5E180A4 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EDEE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB51E47438 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:29:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF591E47436 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6399 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jun 2010 23:29:12 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100608-1, 06/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Pepper ID error, was: OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 01:29:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ed24f57281413256596 No, we're only talking about simulating what's made at the Anchor Bar. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Chuck, > > Dinosaur makes better sauces. Wango Tango is great. These are available in local grocery stores (at least around here): > > http://www.dinosaurbarbque.com/browseProducts.php?cat=1 > > For additional flavor and heat I suggest: > > http://www.elyucateco.com/ > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 03:21:19 2010 Received: (qmail 14063 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 01:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 01:21:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF8AE180A0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012C8E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C2EE47434 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B84E47427 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so3281955iwn.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.213.71 with SMTP id gv7mr7078225ibb.192.1276046472894; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:21:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f-lw4AgYXbUBdei4QT9o8hsLkxI Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 03:21:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0eec8f23512439112457 New photo of my favorite iPad app so far. The Spaghetti Dinner App. www.zone-10.com AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 03:54:51 2010 Received: (qmail 12841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 01:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 01:54:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95657E1809A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA07E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7124134AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A9F34AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so658618wwa.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:54:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.17 with SMTP id t17mr498039wee.30.1276048482390; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:54:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> <4C0D6209.4020306@chucknorcutt.com> <3E571919-C02E-4D13-8DF2-775A62519E90@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 03:54:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ef46b287269730998309 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > btw, i posted an introduction review of the iPad on www.zone-10.com > for your entertainment. That's a good review, Ken. It's probably a little eccentric in that it approaches the device as though the user will naturally choose not to use iTunes for management of data. But I am very sympathetic to that approach! I agree that the impasse with Adobe over flash is unconscionable. A Zune scaled to iPad sizes would be very devastating competition to iPad if one's uses for it were mainly for web stuff. I am currently happily exploring input and output to the iPad through ReaddleDocs. I plan just to build a file system using it -- mostly to locate docs temporarily on the iPad for immediate use away from the office. I have not done much editing on the iPad, though I expect to do more. I need to learn more fully the capabilities of the touchscreen keyboard. If I can get it to do some slightly more than perfunctory things, I may be able to use the free (or cheap) RDP app to attach to my office computer via Remote Desktop and actually do some grown up work. You don't mention the iPad much as a device for reading, but it is fantastic for that. iBooks is the local iPad brand, but Amazon makes a free app for Kindle, so no need to buy a Kindle if you have an iPad. ReaddleDocs I have also discovered has books. You can create an impressive library of great books for free or not much. Would that you could create the time to read them all. With the backlit screen you can read comfortably in a dark room. Don't eat crackers in bed, but the iPad should not offend. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 04:01:49 2010 Received: (qmail 15645 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 02:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 02:01:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A59E180A6 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0B5E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C2AE47434 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37DDE47427 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1462574wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:01:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.147 with SMTP id a19mr4102297wef.93.1276048899724; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:01:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 04:01:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ef60c199161076813867 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Aye, and in coastal North Carolina, along the Outer Banks, as well as > the extreme western part of the state. I'm told there are places in > Maine as well, but I haven't heard it. > > On a different but oh so slightly related subject: A waitress in a > small sandwich shop I frequented for lunch many years ago used to send > her patrons off with a hearty "Caio, y'uns!" God Bless Diversity. That's a great story, Bob. On my dad's side my ancestors were pure English -- direct, no-nonsense folk. There was mention of a coat of arms in a genealogy written by a great aunt, but she allowed herself the editorial remark that she "had no faith in it." Heraldry is an industry in the UK, so I don't have any faith in it either. Anyway, my grandmother was not a great talker -- kind of quiet and sweet. She would often put an "a" before participles: "The cow was a-bellowing." "The cat was a-hissing and a-spitting." If she said it and you had asked her to write it, she would have written "The cow was bellowing," "The cat was hissing," etc. My two aunts (her daughters) sometimes speak this way, usually as a tone of annoyance or complaint enters into the thought it is meant to express. It seems old, possibly related to the "y" before verbs and participles: "Summer is ycummen in." Or: A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine, Y cladd in mightie armes and siluer shielde,. Wherein old dints of deepe wounds did remaine ... In any case, I hold on to the memory of its sound as I don't hear people speak that way anymore. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 05:18:26 2010 Received: (qmail 27782 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 03:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 03:18:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEF3E18090 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F27E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF17B34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857ED34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so3371954iwn.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.169.145 with SMTP id z17mr7685106iby.3.1276053496863; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <865FEA57-F90B-4817-8E51-D5FD7FB537DF@gmail.com> <70C04CCB-FF8F-432D-8036-3ABDE42BFB9D@gmail.com> <3D996428-BAD8-44FD-9CBE-CBCB04AB63A4@people.net.au> <4C0C3814.9080402@chucknorcutt.com> <5D70C372-553A-49C9-A783-EA92AFFE2396@gmail.com> <31164CEE-CCBF-465A-9D92-5B0F74D216E6@roadrunner.com> <4C0D6209.4020306@chucknorcutt.com> <3E571919-C02E-4D13-8DF2-775A62519E90@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:18:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QxHzLFwgn2DLO9zarDCVHYCoibc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT iPad input/output X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 05:18:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f0802217261234514069 > That's a good review, Ken. =A0It's probably a little eccentric in that > it approaches the device as though the user will naturally choose not > to use iTunes for management of data. =A0But I am very sympathetic to > that approach! Thank you, Joel. Other than the backup/restore feature, iTunes is oriented towards extracting every least dime from the consumer and managing your music and video files. I consider it anything but an adequate tool for professional applications. > I agree that the impasse with Adobe over flash is unconscionable. =A0A > Zune scaled to iPad sizes would be very devastating competition to > iPad if one's uses for it were mainly for web stuff. Much of the success of the iPad, iPod Touch and iPhone is directly related to the perceived value and quality that Apple products bring right now. These devices give the user tremendous warm fuzzies with the smooth scrolling, zooming and location linking with maps. Oh, and they are awesome media players too. But after you strip away the gloss you discover just how incomplete the things are. It is no secret that the iPhone's functionality as a cellphone is lackluster at best with marginal audio quality and low reliability. I find it quite interesting to see how quickly so manypeople will dismiss valid criticsm of these hallowed products and instead quickly show you pictures of their cat on the devices. > I am currently happily exploring input and output to the iPad through > ReaddleDocs. =A0I plan just to build a file system using it -- mostly to > locate docs temporarily on the iPad for immediate use away from the > office. =A0I have not done much editing on the iPad, though I expect to > do more. =A0I need to learn more fully the capabilities of the > touchscreen keyboard. =A0If I can get it to do some slightly more than > perfunctory things, I may be able to use the free (or cheap) RDP app > to attach to my office computer via Remote Desktop and actually do > some grown up work. I'm using VNC and other than that one previously mentioned bug (feature?) with video and non-32bit color, I've had tremendous success with it. I've been using VNC no less than two hours a week for three years now. As to ReaddleDocs, I'm still looking into it, but for now I've been trying out FileApp for FTP transferring of stuff back and forth. I'll probably break down tomorrow and spend the $4.99 for ReaddleDocs. > You don't mention the iPad much as a device for reading, but it is > fantastic for that. =A0iBooks is the local iPad brand, but Amazon makes > a free app for Kindle, so no need to buy a Kindle if you have an iPad. I've got both going and the iPad version is a little nicer, but both are quite good. I also loaded up "Free Books" and am pretty pleased with that. As a reader, they are pretty good. What I don't like about the iPad is that it is a little harder to jump around in the book and return back to your current page. > With the backlit screen > you can read comfortably in a dark room. =A0Don't eat crackers in bed, > but the iPad should not offend. This is actually the one thing where I think the shape of the iPad bites. It is so thin and smooth (with the exception of those razer sharp edges), that it is difficult to hold it with one hand. When you do, you end up changing pages. I really need to get that grippy stuff for it. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 05:24:29 2010 Received: (qmail 20955 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 03:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 03:24:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77631E1808F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B07E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E85134AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:24:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C4B34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28555 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jun 2010 03:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 03:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:24:09 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <79CB3D44-83BF-4AAA-B6E4-836C582DBF79@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <79CB3D44-83BF-4AAA-B6E4-836C582DBF79@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 05:24:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f096d305921413256596 On 6/8/2010 11:18 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > That is correct. Everyone knows the Center of Old World Culture in the New World is Biddeford. > Obviously a Maine 'in' joke of some sort. I've been in both towns more than once, and don't recall anything the least bit old world about them. Why, you might ask, have you been there? Saco because we've stayed with and visited friends in Old Orchard Beach; quite a nice little seaside town after the Canuck's have lifted their counter occupation by Sept. By sometime in Oct., much of the town shuts down. Biddeford because the point out beyond Biddeford Pool has a lovely public open space where I've had a couple of pleasant walks and taken a few pics, this and this being a couple of them. Where's Vanzetti in all of this? Moose Without a Clue -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 05:36:15 2010 Received: (qmail 26860 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A247DE180AD for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68506E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E35834AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB7634AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1494124wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:36:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.147 with SMTP id a19mr4170214wef.93.1276054567384; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:36:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <79CB3D44-83BF-4AAA-B6E4-836C582DBF79@roadrunner.com> <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 05:36:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f0c2f51471073733319 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Moose wrote: > few pics, this > > and this > > being a couple of them. I'm clueless too but it lured a couple great photos out of you! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 06:49:34 2010 Received: (qmail 13586 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 04:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 04:49:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB33E180B5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F51E240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B395F34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:49:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A33B34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:49:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so1516394wyf.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.141.145 with SMTP id m17mr2072891wbu.51.1276058966416; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm8176591wbc.14.2010.06.08.21.49.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:49:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 06:49:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f1d5e32721006886880 That looks very good, Ken! ... but pointless :-). Chris On 9 Jun 2010, at 02:21, Ken Norton wrote: > New photo of my favorite iPad app so far. The Spaghetti Dinner App. > > www.zone-10.com > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 06:57:53 2010 Received: (qmail 11637 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 04:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 04:57:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2948DE18095 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F25FE240E5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B738E47434 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB447E47427 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so717015wwa.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.16 with SMTP id p16mr2492180wbt.151.1276059466295; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm52739468wby.16.2010.06.08.21.57.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:57:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4C0EC0A3.7060708@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006072221.o57ML6Ls001033@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> <00A9364A-D647-4A47-81D4-ED148F763A87@threeshoes.net> <4C0EC0A3.7060708@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <19ED5115-9EC1-4B47-8344-A752F4CADA53@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 06:57:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f1f5169051342116753 Thanks, Chuck. The bit about higher temperatures and running laptops on mains power most of the time goes contrary to the current opinions about MacBook Pros. But the article is persuasive. Chris On 8 Jun 2010, at 23:13, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Perhaps more than you want to know about living with Li batteries: > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 10:22:13 2010 Received: (qmail 1796 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 08:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 08:22:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464D1E1805D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9ABE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A43E4B23C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4206FE47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (simon@lestac.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from mail.lestac.co.uk (mail.lestac.co.uk [62.8.109.56]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:21:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Can I switch to digital? Thread-Index: AcsHrNS6rJYOG3Y0SSmUC7zVDzyoRA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 From: "Simon Worby" To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 10:22:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f4f35241361006886880 After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my favourites? Thanks, Simon Worby -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 10:42:52 2010 Received: (qmail 9259 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 08:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 08:42:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D022CE180A9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2ACE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788FBE53262 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D5AE4B23C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so4069929gyg.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.145.9 with SMTP id x9mr2320881ann.13.1276072960533; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.4.3 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:42:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lgyzfl4lQGBAnIu7jB2sK5guNEA Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 10:42:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f540c175481076813867 For the money you will get selling your 3Ti and the f2 primes, you'll find almost any digital camera affordable! br Jez, standing back to avoid the stampede On 9 June 2010 10:21, Simon Worby wrote: > After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an > Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to > Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the > camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. > > > > I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, > which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. > > > > I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the > shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus > myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* > to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality > through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. > > > > Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? > > > > Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost > of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my > favourites? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Simon Worby > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 10:46:45 2010 Received: (qmail 25528 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 08:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 08:46:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FF0E180B3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA099E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BF334AC028 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741C934AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com (mail-yw0-f186.google.com [209.85.211.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so4685906ywh.32 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.200.21 with SMTP id c21mr18208216anq.195.1276073199165; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwbeb26398ea43 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a18sm2126990anl.13.2010.06.09.01.46.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:46:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsHrNS6rJYOG3Y0SSmUC7zVDzyoRAAA1Wcg Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 10:46:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f54f577171258626592 Get an E-1 body and use your OM lenses Dave -----Original Message----- From: Simon Worby [mailto:simon@lestac.co.uk] Sent: 09 June 2010 09:22 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my favourites? Thanks, Simon Worby -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:04:41 2010 Received: (qmail 16226 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:04:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B59EDC030 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D0DE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421434AC02A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:04:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886CC34AC028 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3536 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 10:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:04:32 -0000 Message-Id: <4D327632-B17C-445B-99B3-1BF921A2A221@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:04:32 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:04:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f6739172367801554290 Yes. No. (Think Leica) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 6:21 PM, Simon Worby wrote: > Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:09:01 2010 Received: (qmail 24417 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:09:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520F0E180BF for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D8BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01CFB37BC5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E7AB37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (217.147.81.2 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 6.2) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMIDO-0000x6-85 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:08:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:08:54 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100609100854.GP10168@the.earth.li> References: <4D327632-B17C-445B-99B3-1BF921A2A221@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D327632-B17C-445B-99B3-1BF921A2A221@people.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:09:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f683d94391234514069 * On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 08:04:32PM +1000, Andrew Fildes said: > Yes. No. > (Think Leica) Hmm ... I do lust after a rangefinder digital. I doesn't /have/ to be a leica (though at the moment there's no other option, save the older Epson ...) One day, perhaps. But I've got a K7 coming, which I got at a stupidly cheap price. Perhaps that'll stave off the camera lust for the next few days ... Doubtful! :) p. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:12:31 2010 Received: (qmail 24804 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:12:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9B3E180A2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D316E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B396B37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CDFB37BC5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14098 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 10:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:12:25 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:12:24 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:12:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f690f39011234514069 Not exactly al dente. My #1 son just nipped over to San Fran (second favorite business destination after Barcelona) for a little chat with Apple apparatchiks. Earlier he'd opined that no-one needs one, that the genius of Apple was to convince every journo and editor that they were the salvation of the media. Smetimes he makes me look reserved, uncertain and indecisive. Unfortunately, they 'gifted' him one. So now he either has to give it to me next month - or eat it! I'm in Lunnen late June, early July. Anyone fancy joining me in shooting my latest intercontinental theme - Barscapes? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 11:21 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > New photo of my favorite iPad app so far. The Spaghetti Dinner App. > > www.zone-10.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:14:46 2010 Received: (qmail 31501 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:14:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9B7E18090 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16992E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15436B37F59 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2626B37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f175.google.com (mail-px0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so2277184pxi.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:14:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.214.38 with SMTP id r38mr14294288rvq.258.1276078479207; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:14:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:14:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:14:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f699685669730998309 Sorry to say this (again), on the Oly list, but the old 5D, with a manual focus screen, any of a range of real manual focus lenses from Cosina and Zeiss, only has to be set up once to work the way you want. After that it's your camera. OK, you will have to set aperture and shutter speed with wheels, but it will work the way you want, until you choose to go back into those menus to change something other than ISO, white balance, drive, exposure measuring or compensation. I just sold mine to my Dad, a long time OM user, for =A3500. He is delighted and hasn't put it down. Tom PS as for the many Oly digital offerings, they can do many things, and they impress me in many ways, but if you want what I do, and what Simon seems to be describing below, then you need to try a 5D. I fought it for four years before I eventually did it myself. On 9 June 2010 09:21, Simon Worby <> wrote: > After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an > Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to > Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the > camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. > > > > I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, > which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. > > > > I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the > shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus > myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* > to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality > through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. > > > > Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? > > > > Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost > of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my > favourites? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Simon Worby > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:23:56 2010 Received: (qmail 8136 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:23:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B618FE180A9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24FEE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C7434AC02A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D9634AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o59ANl8b024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:23:49 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:23:31 +1000 Message-ID: <005b01cb07bd$d0191830$704b4890$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsHrNS6rJYOG3Y0SSmUC7zVDzyoRAAA1WcgAANUOgA= Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:23:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f6bbc21881076813867 > > Get an E-1 body and use your OM lenses > Yeah, you can get an E-1 quite cheaply now, probably need a few new batteries, memory cards and an adapter or 2 and you're set. Check it out and see if you like it. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:25:31 2010 Received: (qmail 25194 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:25:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906D6E1808B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9F3E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427FB37F7E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01F5B37F71 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMISo-00013E-F0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:24:50 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: <18AEF201BC154D179350DC73C3869C07@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsHrNS6rJYOG3Y0SSmUC7zVDzyoRAAD/Zhg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-0, 09/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:25:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f6c1b130972013633067 Good to see you back, Simon, I was thinking of you driving through Dalhalvaig a couple of months back. I sympathise with your frustration (and had had great fun with an Ensign Selfix 6x9 folder in Strath Halladale). As Dave Bell has suggested, an E-1 with your OM lenses might be worth a look, I certainly found the E-1 to have an admirably accessible set of controls. Else as Andrew has pointed out, there is another brand, and I suspect of all here, he has the widest experience of what is available (even if his Attic Greek is rusty). Piers -----Original Message----- From: Simon Worby [mailto:simon@lestac.co.uk] Sent: 09 June 2010 09:22 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? --snip I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:34:47 2010 Received: (qmail 7957 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:34:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4445E180A9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD8FE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF35434AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA6634AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMIcJ-0002Sa-M3 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:34:39 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: <5A124B6DEEF44FE4BD5AFA9C10DE7E29@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsHvEaacT0EEG3eQxSQcSnomDYo6AAAs9mg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-0, 09/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:34:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f6e4768751073733319 Could be passing through in ten days, and will likely be in town in the second half of July. Dates? Or maybe you prefer olives. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 09 June 2010 11:12 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. --snip I'm in Lunnen late June, early July. Anyone fancy joining me in shooting my latest intercontinental theme - Barscapes? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:37:41 2010 Received: (qmail 26443 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:37:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13389E180AB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B30AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4893A34AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F6E34AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18131 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 10:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:37:29 -0000 Message-Id: <03CB85C0-E374-44F4-A34F-0DF1E9CB0932@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:37:29 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:37:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f6ef5320941234514069 A Knyght ther was, and that a worthy man, That fro the tyme that he first bigan To riden out, he loved chivalrie, Trouthe and honour, fredom and curteisie. (Knight pronounced Ke-nich-tuh) Go here and hit the .wav file button at the bottom - http://faculty.smu.edu/bwheeler/Ency/ktale.html Doesn't sound very Carolina to me! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 12:01 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Bob Whitmire > wrote: >> Aye, and in coastal North Carolina, along the Outer Banks, as well as >> the extreme western part of the state. I'm told there are places in >> Maine as well, but I haven't heard it. >> >> On a different but oh so slightly related subject: A waitress in a >> small sandwich shop I frequented for lunch many years ago used to >> send >> her patrons off with a hearty "Caio, y'uns!" God Bless Diversity. > > That's a great story, Bob. > > On my dad's side my ancestors were pure English -- direct, no-nonsense > folk. There was mention of a coat of arms in a genealogy written by a > great aunt, but she allowed herself the editorial remark that she "had > no faith in it." Heraldry is an industry in the UK, so I don't have > any faith in it either. > > Anyway, my grandmother was not a great talker -- kind of quiet and > sweet. She would often put an "a" before participles: "The cow was > a-bellowing." "The cat was a-hissing and a-spitting." If she said it > and you had asked her to write it, she would have written "The cow was > bellowing," "The cat was hissing," etc. > > My two aunts (her daughters) sometimes speak this way, usually as a > tone of annoyance or complaint enters into the thought it is meant to > express. It seems old, possibly related to the "y" before verbs and > participles: "Summer is ycummen in." > > Or: > > A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine, > Y cladd in mightie armes and siluer shielde,. > Wherein old dints of deepe wounds did remaine ... > > In any case, I hold on to the memory of its sound as I don't hear > people speak that way anymore. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:44:22 2010 Received: (qmail 6720 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:44:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D12E180BE for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CFFE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E89934AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C620634AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:44:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17539 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jun 2010 10:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 10:44:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:44:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:44:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f708654221220213263 On 6/9/2010 1:46 AM, deebel wrote: > Get an E-1 body and use your OM lenses > That's not necessarily a good answer. Except for those with particularly good eyesight, manual focus can be problematic on even the best of 4/3 and APS sensors. On 6/9/2010 3:04 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yes. No. > (Think Leica) Again, not really what's asked for. 3Ti and Leica may have some qualities in common, but they are fundamentally different in operation and especially to focus. I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not ideal. If you want to use the existing OM lenses, the only choice is Canon, as only it has a short enough register distance to allow an adapter. The 5D, I & II, compromise a bit on prism size and the 1D series are huge and heavy. I personally find the 5D reasonable to focus manually, but that is apparently not the common experience, absed on posts here. As to setting shutter speed and aperture manually, all DSLRs have manual modes and those above entry level generally have separate controls for those two settings. To date, the only maker to successfully emulate the operation of their earlier film models with digital is Leica. The cost is considerable and they are quite different beasts than SLRs. Personally, I find that my DSLRs offer greater overall capabilities than my OMs, at the cost of my adapting to different operations. The 5D I use now is a highly capable image maker. Moose > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Worby [mailto:simon@lestac.co.uk] > Sent: 09 June 2010 09:22 > To:olympus@thomasclausen.net > Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an > Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to > Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the > camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. > > > > I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, > which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. > > > > I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the > shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus > myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* > to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality > through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. > > > > Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? > > > > Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost > of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my > favourites? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Simon Worby > > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:49:30 2010 Received: (qmail 5792 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:49:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96600E180B4 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C716E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A42B37F59 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7272FB37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1726 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 10:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:49:24 -0000 Message-Id: <627EF27B-A720-497A-8F89-2ADF7F461B7C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <18AEF201BC154D179350DC73C3869C07@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:49:23 +1000 References: <18AEF201BC154D179350DC73C3869C07@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:49:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f71ba38142517112723 Rusty. 'twas never more than oxide to begin. As to wide experience - I handled a new Samsung EX-1 the other day. Solid compact with a 3x zoom f1.8-2.4! 24mm equivalent wide angle. Nice screen too. No chance to check quality but it looks rather good - as a unit. LX-3 killer? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 8:24 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Else as Andrew has pointed out, there is another brand, and I > suspect of all > here, he has the widest experience of what is available (even if his > Attic > Greek is rusty). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:51:51 2010 Received: (qmail 26335 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:51:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D44E180BA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA051E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAD0B37F59 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEF8B37BC5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25987 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jun 2010 10:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 10:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0F7236.7090105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:51:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <18AEF201BC154D179350DC73C3869C07@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <18AEF201BC154D179350DC73C3869C07@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:51:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f7247298541234514069 On 6/9/2010 3:24 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > ... > > Else as Andrew has pointed out, there is another brand, and I suspect of all here, he has the widest experience of what is available (even if his Attic Greek is rusty). > No Greeks in my attic, well no attic at all, really, just a crawl space. When forced up there to deal with something, I generally find myself more likely to turn to Anglo-Saxonisms. Only 'Murkin is spoken in my basement, although people who spoke French, Nepali and Tibetan have spent time there in the past. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:54:11 2010 Received: (qmail 29015 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:54:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE0DE1808A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDB6E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76441B37F59 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D35B37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:54:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7719 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 10:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:54:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5ADEC79E-C835-4F74-806C-0C6C542C4DCA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:54:03 +1000 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:54:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f72d3277541879814018 I understood that the request was for a camera with full mechanical control of manual functions and easy manual focus - SLR was not a criterion. I think Leica meets that - most of the menu commands equate to 'film choice'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 8:44 PM, Moose wrote: > Again, not really what's asked for. 3Ti and Leica may have some > qualities in common, but they are fundamentally different in operation > and especially to focus. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 12:56:32 2010 Received: (qmail 1597 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 10:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 10:56:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B5DE180AD for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7203E2410D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A06B37F7E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07175B37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk whitelisted) Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (smtp.north.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-135-7-77.range86-135.btcentralplus.com ([86.135.7.77] helo=[192.168.2.32]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMIwD-0007e5-HF for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:55:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:55:13 +0100 From: James King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-ID: 1OMIwD-0007e5-HF X-LONDONMET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1276685714.33619@ZtfF8lI+vw6IgH5/v+66Yw Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 12:56:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f735f247921744846740 I use a tamron adaptal 2 80-200 f2.8 and olympus 24 and 35mm shifts in = addition to some canon lenses. On a 5d mark 1 I had focus confirmation chips in the adapters but they simply where not = accurate enough... it turns out that the camera needs to know the focal = length in order to accurately use the autofocus confirmation logic and = the 5d mark 1 has no user adjustable settings for focus anyway. I recently brought some emf adapters that allow you to program max = appature, focus adjustment and focal length. After a lengthly = calibration session the focus confirmation was a lot more accurate with = my mark 1. I received a mark 2 about 10 days ago and once I tried manual focus = using live view on the mark 2 focus confirmation logic has become = irrelevant. Zooming in 10x live view allows very, very accurate focus = using manual focus lenses and is far better than using a grey tiny = viewfinder. Live view is like using medium format with a waist level finder and = magnifier. Bright and sharp. Love it. I know it would not be appropriate for action shoots but for = architecture, landscapes etc Live view manual focus is incredible. My 2x=A30.01 James On 09/06/2010 11:44, Moose wrote: > On 6/9/2010 1:46 AM, deebel wrote: > = >> Get an E-1 body and use your OM lenses >> >> = > That's not necessarily a good answer. Except for those with particularly > good eyesight, manual focus can be problematic on even the best of 4/3 > and APS sensors. > > On 6/9/2010 3:04 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > = >> Yes. No. >> (Think Leica) >> = > Again, not really what's asked for. 3Ti and Leica may have some > qualities in common, but they are fundamentally different in operation > and especially to focus. > > I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the > 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual > focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not ideal. > > If you want to use the existing OM lenses, the only choice is Canon, as > only it has a short enough register distance to allow an adapter. The > 5D, I& II, compromise a bit on prism size and the 1D series are huge > and heavy. I personally find the 5D reasonable to focus manually, but > that is apparently not the common experience, absed on posts here. > > As to setting shutter speed and aperture manually, all DSLRs have manual > modes and those above entry level generally have separate controls for > those two settings. > > To date, the only maker to successfully emulate the operation of their > earlier film models with digital is Leica. The cost is considerable and > they are quite different beasts than SLRs. > > Personally, I find that my DSLRs offer greater overall capabilities than > my Ms, at the cost of my adapting to different operations. The 5D I use > now is a highly capable image maker. > > Moose > > = >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Simon Worby [mailto:simon@lestac.co.uk] >> Sent: 09 June 2010 09:22 >> To:olympus@thomasclausen.net >> Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >> >> After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife has an >> Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday to >> Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the >> camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed it. >> >> >> >> I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then scan, >> which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. >> >> >> >> I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the >> shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus >> myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* >> to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality >> through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. >> >> >> >> Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? >> >> >> >> Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and cost >> of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my >> favourites? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Simon Worby >> >> >> >> >> >> >> = > = Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:13:18 2010 Received: (qmail 9216 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:13:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D276E1809B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ACBE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0577434AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B192134AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:13:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:13:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=ur40MZUyAAAA:8 a=9di9rWeSpvPSl7n55AYA:9 a=OPaFOJXzdxPsFYoMRH4Af-7m3GoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:40640] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id E5/90-26996-7477F0C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:13:12 +0000 Message-Id: <0B0E3163-7B75-4743-8F78-1E2D2C7E659C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <42424AD9-3D66-4FAB-BE51-0B261A6E90CB@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:13:11 -0400 References: <459267.21440.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42424AD9-3D66-4FAB-BE51-0B261A6E90CB@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Grammar and more X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:13:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f774e115891258626592 That's pretty bold talk from someone who lives where they throw shrimp on anatomically correct plastic female dolls. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not if it's murkin grammar! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:22:54 2010 Received: (qmail 3079 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:22:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92762E180A9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA74E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA100B37F59 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EB0B37BDB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12274 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 11:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:22:44 -0000 Message-Id: <8CAA3040-0139-44A4-9E9B-0CA5F12FB892@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0B0E3163-7B75-4743-8F78-1E2D2C7E659C@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:22:44 +1000 References: <459267.21440.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42424AD9-3D66-4FAB-BE51-0B261A6E90CB@people.net.au> <0B0E3163-7B75-4743-8F78-1E2D2C7E659C@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Grammar and more X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:22:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f798e65621357919056 Good grief no - we only talk like that by appointment - to entertain less intelligent US and UK tourists. Anatomically correct - that's an interesting idea - if they are, then I know some very incorrect people. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 9:13 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > That's pretty bold talk from someone who lives where they throw shrimp > on anatomically correct plastic female dolls. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:25:47 2010 Received: (qmail 26136 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:25:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28705E1809B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD2AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CD834AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753E934AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=fD2FFf8LKsCIa40czzYA:9 a=tZFlHKsBq_D3tjPxWwXYNgHMi9IA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:41284] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 73/BB-17309-43A7F0C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:25:41 +0000 Message-Id: <9D1E042E-8EAC-466A-84E9-3BC8507EA3E8@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:25:40 -0400 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:25:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f7a3a290681076813867 Nice story, nice lines. Kinda melancholy, which fits the tone of the moment. Having grown up in western North Carolina, I'd like to think I might have a few language quirks that originated in the time of the Eight Lords Proprietor, but I'm not a linguist so I wouldn't necessarily recognize them. True what you said, though; whatever they might be, I likely would not write them. It would be something that came out in speech. Homogenization is not necessarily a good thing. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine, > Y cladd in mightie armes and siluer shielde,. > Wherein old dints of deepe wounds did remaine ... > > In any case, I hold on to the memory of its sound as I don't hear > people speak that way anymore. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:32:15 2010 Received: (qmail 25613 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:32:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DEBE1808A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF7FE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E9CB37F86 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3966B37F81 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0FdLdiHdopsA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=4netDGtTAAAA:8 a=PJFOp8Sq2HGmJncXTiwA:9 a=0eruJJCjYHlYQgUztYwA:7 a=d7VLixF-lz4nf-QQXvNXTJRnwfEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:45362] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id A3/4A-26996-ABB7F0C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:32:10 +0000 Message-Id: <37EAD02F-2C5C-41B6-AC7A-EF7B96FCC08F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:32:09 -0400 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <79CB3D44-83BF-4AAA-B6E4-836C582DBF79@roadrunner.com> <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:32:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f7bbf147875683411216 Nailed it. There's nothing old world about either place. They used to be on my regular route stalking old fountain pens. Down in North Carolina, we used to refer to Carrboro as the cultural capital of the universe. At the time, Carrboro was Chapel Hill's urban slum. I understand it's quite upscale now. Wouldn't know. Haven't been back there in decades. (For those not in the know, Chapel Hill is home to the University of North Carolina, the oldest state-supported university in the U.S.) --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Moose wrote: > On 6/8/2010 11:18 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> That is correct. Everyone knows the Center of Old World Culture in >> the New World is Biddeford. >> > > Obviously a Maine 'in' joke of some sort. I've been in both towns more > than once, and don't recall anything the least bit old world about > them. > Why, you might ask, have you been there? Saco because we've stayed > with > and visited friends in Old Orchard Beach; quite a nice little seaside > town after the Canuck's have lifted their counter occupation by > Sept. By > sometime in Oct., much of the town shuts down. > > Biddeford because the point out beyond Biddeford Pool has a lovely > public open space where I've had a couple of pleasant walks and > taken a > few pics, this > > > and this > > > being a couple of them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:39:56 2010 Received: (qmail 10872 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:39:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C71E18088 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484CBE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4589534AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB6E34AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=SiNtwuXAWCUA:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=jGFDhZLjrOF_PGIWNtAA:9 a=tZj52Hbr7TdNXBWL19un8l7aZrwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:44538] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id DB/A4-26996-68D7F0C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:39:50 +0000 Message-Id: <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:39:49 -0400 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:39:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f7d8c64051258626592 Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You begin to sense when you've got it just right. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: > I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the > 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual > focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not > ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 13:46:07 2010 Received: (qmail 14213 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 11:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:46:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3459E1809C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF03E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF25D34AC028 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 13:46:07 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f7eff277491258626592 Like they said in "The Big Chill", and I'm paraphrasing, "You can go a long time without sex, but try to go even a day without a rationalization." --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Good grief no - we only talk like that by appointment - to entertain > less intelligent US and UK tourists. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 14:00:06 2010 Received: (qmail 4673 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 12:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 14:00:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f8246177372013633067 Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will attract this season. No one will venture a guess. Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmire.com is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. Thanx for looking! --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 14:09:40 2010 Received: (qmail 18541 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C51E18092 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669CCE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2DF34AC029 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7396234AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5752 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 12:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 12:09:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6151AB17-1430-440F-8274-91A611939FAA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:09:33 +1000 References: <459267.21440.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42424AD9-3D66-4FAB-BE51-0B261A6E90CB@people.net.au> <0B0E3163-7B75-4743-8F78-1E2D2C7E659C@roadrunner.com> <8CAA3040-0139-44A4-9E9B-0CA5F12FB892@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Grammar and more X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 14:09:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f8484171941879814018 Just to get the definitions tied down - is that the Clinton definition of sex? Does another person have to be in the room? Or am I rationalising? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/06/2010, at 9:45 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Like they said in "The Big Chill", and I'm paraphrasing, "You can go a > long time without sex, but try to go even a day without a > rationalization." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 14:16:15 2010 Received: (qmail 4859 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 12:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 12:16:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A2AE18092 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFF2E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9273534AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5A34AC029 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3220 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 12:16:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 12:16:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0F8607.8000107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:16:07 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <79CB3D44-83BF-4AAA-B6E4-836C582DBF79@roadrunner.com> <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C0F0959.8040904@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-0, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 14:16:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f860f311219752976205 The clouds in 1612 just don't look right. The only thing I can think of it that it's suffering from borderline posterization (if there is such a thing). 1607 looks fine and I note that its file size is about 50% larger than 1612. Maybe there's just to much compression for the subtle gray tones in the clouds. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > On 6/8/2010 11:18 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> That is correct. Everyone knows the Center of Old World Culture in the New World is Biddeford. >> > > Obviously a Maine 'in' joke of some sort. I've been in both towns more > than once, and don't recall anything the least bit old world about them. > Why, you might ask, have you been there? Saco because we've stayed with > and visited friends in Old Orchard Beach; quite a nice little seaside > town after the Canuck's have lifted their counter occupation by Sept. By > sometime in Oct., much of the town shuts down. > > Biddeford because the point out beyond Biddeford Pool has a lovely > public open space where I've had a couple of pleasant walks and taken a > few pics, this > > and this > > being a couple of them. > > Where's Vanzetti in all of this? > > Moose Without a Clue -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:19:16 2010 Received: (qmail 5307 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:19:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FEAE180AC for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A5AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D5E34AC028 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639C634AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6A52E70000A4 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:19:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (44.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.44]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 34CDF700008E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:19:05 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100609131905216.34CDF700008E@msfrf2117.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:19:04 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:19:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f94d411992439112457 Yes No Yet, The L1 has satisfied me for over three years and 38,000 takes (make = the sums and consider how much the savings may compensate for the want = of a bright view finder) - fully manual when needed full auto when not. On board focus confirmation (sound and light), without an add-on chip. Live view and x10 magnification for absolute precision if required. Total cheap these days. I use Pana, Leica, Angenieux, and Oly glass on it. Major flaw? 7.5mp, which was good when it came out, but no longer fits = the bill. Hope this helps. Philippe Le 9 juin 10 =E0 10:21, Simon Worby a =E9crit : > > After some considerable time of barely taking any photos (my wife = > has an > Oly SP-590UZ digital she makes good use of) I took my 3Ti on holiday = > to > Devon last week and used up a few rolls of old film. I just took the > camera and 3 primes: 24f2, 40f2 and 85f2. It was good, and I enjoyed = > it. > > > > I've now got to send off the films for process and mount, and then = > scan, > which is a hassle, and a not inconsiderable expense. > > > > I don't seem to get on with digital cameras at all. I want to set the > shutter speed, the aperture, and most importantly I want to focus > myself, it's just the way I am! And I need a camera that is *designed* > to do these things, not one where you have to access the functionality > through a menu. It's got to be as easy to use as an OM, basically. > > > > Does such a digital camera exist? Is it affordable? > > > > Or do I have to stick with my OMs and suffer the inconvenience and = > cost > of getting films developed and then the hassle of scanning in my > favourites? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Simon Worby > > > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:32:47 2010 Received: (qmail 24089 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:32:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4301FE180B2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57A0E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD38DB37FA6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D78DB37FA7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27999 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 13:32:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:32:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f97ff80441076813867 I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, > but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, > after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You > begin to sense when you've got it just right. > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: > >> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >> ideal. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:39:04 2010 Received: (qmail 29248 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:39:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA61E180B8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743B4E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D5E34AC02F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9D934AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32345 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 13:38:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 13:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:38:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-0, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:39:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9978181604877110844 Too bad the 5D Mk II doesn't have an articulating view screen such that one could actually use it like a medium format with waist lever finder. Does there yet exist a full frame digital with articulating screen? Chuck Norcutt James King wrote: > > I received a mark 2 about 10 days ago and once I tried manual focus > using live view on the mark 2 focus confirmation logic has become > irrelevant. Zooming in 10x live view allows very, very accurate focus > using manual focus lenses and is far better than using a grey tiny > viewfinder. > Live view is like using medium format with a waist level finder and > magnifier. Bright and sharp. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:41:16 2010 Received: (qmail 31332 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:41:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FD6E1808B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6267BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61255B37FA6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1C5B37FA0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so3802421iwn.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.120.76 with SMTP id c12mr3438529ibr.92.1276090863787; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:41:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:41:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9WMbIz0q_9yhCGyWMjZByY8_zg Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:41:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f99fc80821950411718 Good job, Bob. Makes me want to come out yoiur way just to see it. AG On Wednesday, June 9, 2010, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in > Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun > if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will > attract this season. No one will venture a guess. > > Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmi= re.com > =A0is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll > take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and > criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to > suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know > that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks > weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. > > Thanx for looking! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:46:46 2010 Received: (qmail 6145 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:46:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE74E1808F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5308CE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBDFB37FA0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB1AB37F9C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (simon@lestac.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from mail.lestac.co.uk (mail.lestac.co.uk [62.8.109.56]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:46:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Can I switch to digital? Thread-Index: AcsH2SGWCR1qVIDGSOGm9WMbn+zNKQAAGWhw References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> From: "Simon Worby" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:46:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9b46320431612113968 Thanks for all the comments. I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably this limitation has been addressed? Which Leica should I look at? How much does it cost? Thanks, Simon -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:52:22 2010 Received: (qmail 25875 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:52:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A5BE18099 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C43FE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77085B37FA6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3346CB37F9C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so3812822iwn.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.147.143 with SMTP id l15mr8159798ibv.9.1276091536011; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:52:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4IBdPmZax3WySsk9Dxzna_uOs9E Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:52:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9c9647821220213263 On Tuesday, June 8, 2010, Chris Barker wrote: > That looks very good, Ken! > > ... but pointless :-). Well, that describes the vast majority of apps--pointless. Last night i went app surfing for my Palm Centro to see what new or improves programs have come up in the past few months. It's nice to see people still actively developing for it, even though it is no longer the golden child. Downloaded three new and or improved apps. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:55:31 2010 Received: (qmail 2276 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:55:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162AFE180B6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C75CE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D6A34AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E99634AC02A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from durham.unh.edu (durham.unh.edu [132.177.136.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,391,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="10163923" Received: from mako.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.5]) by durham.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 09 Jun 2010 09:55:24 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.1.203]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:55:24 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:51:56 -0400 Thread-Topic: 21/2, mamiya 7, et al Thread-Index: AcsHvPDeGWuirDbTQemabQS1ByZbIgAHX7aA Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:55:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9d53286681234514069 > > in any "modern" lens, it's really hard to tell sometimes, but the > > 'pupil > > magnification' (the diameter ratio between the exit and entrance > > pupils) > > could be an indicator of "how much" retrofocus is a certain lens. > > I've never though about it that way, but it makes a lot of sense. > Wow, then the 21/2 is *very* retrofocus, the rear exit pupil is > very large compared to the front one. Actually the 21/2 is a lot less retrofocus than some SLR lenses. The Distagon and Minolta 21/2.8 come to mind. Huge front elements, smaller rear elements than the Oly 21/2. > The Mamiya 7 super wide-angle optics are actually pleasantly small, I > find: > 58mm filter size, comparable to small-ish 35mm SLR lenses. Unlike the > huge > and heavy RB7 lenses I use, they are monsters. At least they all take > the > same 77mm filter size, from 50mm to 250mm (all at f/4.5) The Mamiya 7 wides are really in a class of their own. They basically match the specs of the 21/2 in terms of resolution (and better it in contrast), for a neg that is about 5x bigger(!). Superbly corrected and unbelievably sharp right into the absolute corners. I am continually amazed by the 43 and 50mm. A near-symmetrical biogon-style design has some advantages that are simply insurmountable in any SLR retrofocus lens I've seen. > > It's an unfair comparison :-) The 21/2 is, IMHO, Olympus' Masterwork It's definitely one of their masterworks. But they have many. I'd put the 18/3.5 on par basically with the 21/2 in many ways (size, sharpness). Other gems that have nearly no peers (at least at the time they were made): 90/2, the f/2 macros (20, 38), 24 shift. > The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of > the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. Well... define 'best'. It's got complex mustache distortion, is huge, and expensive. The Oly 21/2 betters it in all 3 of those respects, and is a stop faster. -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 15:58:10 2010 Received: (qmail 11966 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 13:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 13:58:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B84BE180D0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBD3E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BEDB37FBD for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB028B37FC6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13454 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 13:56:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100609-0, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 15:58:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9df2310115683411216 My, you have some very nice stuff there we've not seen before. "Splash" at Pemaquid Point caught my eye for its very special light. "Stone & Foam" is nice too but it looks like you lost the bright sun that makes "Spash" so special. "Green Wall" is nice too but "Splash" takes the cake. But there's plenty more good 'uns too. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in > Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun > if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will > attract this season. No one will venture a guess. > > Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmire.com > is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll > take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and > criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to > suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know > that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks > weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. > > Thanx for looking! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 16:02:35 2010 Received: (qmail 15429 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 14:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 14:02:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEA0E180A6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CC4E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245B3B3812F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BEAB380D8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so3822814iwn.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.123.215 with SMTP id q23mr7889565ibr.190.1276092149767; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:02:29 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -izFObx8MOkwnwZlTWXCUcJpyg8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 16:02:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0f9efb7991234514069 Without hesitation, I recommend either the 5Dmk2 or the M9. Another camera to seriously consider is the 7D. I believe that the 7D is the overall best camera on the market at any price. I have the Panasonic L1 now and I really enjoy the manual controls. This is a camera that is sooo close, yet comes up short because of the viewfinder. Is the viewfinder important? Well, I have finally broken down and am getting glasses again because of the eyestrain. These viewfinders in modern cameras are really bad--even in the full frame cameras as compared to the OM viewfinders. OK, I spent too much time in front of computers and that is why my eyes are going bad... AG (tap, tap, tap) Schnozz -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 16:11:05 2010 Received: (qmail 29021 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 14:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 14:11:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747D3E180A8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C71E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863FFB383B0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03AFB3839B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4295526fxm.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.148.137 with SMTP id f9mr778628hbb.102.1276092657652; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:10:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 16:11:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fa0f9319021234514069 We'll have to change your "nom de OM" from AG Schozz to Red Tip. Charlie On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Without hesitation, I recommend either the 5Dmk2 or the M9. Another > camera to seriously consider is the 7D. I believe that the 7D is the > overall best camera on the market at any price. > > I have the Panasonic L1 now and I really enjoy the manual controls. > This is a camera that is sooo close, yet comes up short because of the > viewfinder. > > Is the viewfinder important? Well, I have finally broken down and am > getting glasses again because of the eyestrain. These viewfinders in > modern cameras are really bad--even in the full frame cameras as > compared to the OM viewfinders. OK, I spent too much time in front of > computers and that is why my eyes are going bad... > > AG (tap, tap, tap) Schnozz > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 16:13:14 2010 Received: (qmail 7303 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 14:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 14:13:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4B0E180C4 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07691E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB08834AC02B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B9634AC02A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:12:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o59ECJ9K001431 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:12:21 GMT Message-ID: <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk><4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 16:13:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fa17a276211258626592 Simon, You have received a lot of suggestions, all of which will work. If you consider Leica, the only options are the M9, which is quite expensive, or a used M8. You would give up the ability to use your Oly glass. I faced the same question myself, and have found that the Oly E-1, with adaptors and Leica-R lenses, works great for me. Focusing is fine with lenses of 50mm or longer, but is more difficult with shorter lenses. Of course, the E-1, like all 4/3 format cameras, gives you a field of view similar to a focal length of twice the designed FL of the lens, so shorter lenses are desirable. It would work fine with your Oly glass. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Worby" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > Thanks for all the comments. > > I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately > what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a > prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own > several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with > interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably > this limitation has been addressed? > > Which Leica should I look at? > > How much does it cost? > > Thanks, > > Simon > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 17:15:26 2010 Received: (qmail 29134 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 15:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 15:15:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62298E180D7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0302E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4E7E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2390E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMMzv-00048h-0D for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:15:19 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk><4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:15:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> Thread-Index: AcsH3ea1K0I5mhVwRPm5SCk1HrkcewAB46ew X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-0, 09/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 17:15:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fb00e231931342116753 Why would Simon lose the ability to use OM glass? Granted, he would not be able to use the rangefinder to focus, but I can tell you OM lenses work just fine on Bessa-T and Leica III bodies. In the latter case, you need an accessory finder for anything but 50mm (and the former has no viewfinder anyway) - but I use wideangles anyway. No focus problems, and few viewfinder problems either. But if you mean he might choose to give up using OM glass once he had sampled the "other" brand - well I can't argue with that, of course ... ... ... since I have no comparatives. Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from Robert White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] Sent: 09 June 2010 15:12 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? Simon, You have received a lot of suggestions, all of which will work. If you consider Leica, the only options are the M9, which is quite expensive, or a used M8. You would give up the ability to use your Oly glass. --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 17:26:20 2010 Received: (qmail 10933 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 15:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 15:26:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837CBE180B7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAB0E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379C434AC029 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87B234AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o59FQ618032506 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:26:11 GMT Message-ID: <0302AAB5695C45769E317442DD24421C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk><4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com><85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 17:26:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fb29c228281076813867 Piers, My comment was based on the fact that he would not be able to use the rangefinder for focusing because there is no cam to engage the rangefinder. Yes, I would agree that, with wide angle lenses and using zone focusing, the lenses would probably work. I have not tried that approach, though I have a couple of Leica rangefinder film cameras. Having never used Olympus glass except for the excellent ZD 14-54, I will not get into the comparison of Oly and Leica glass. I find Leica glass to be excellent, having used it since 1952, and have no reason to change. I suspect, from images that I have seen, that Oly glass might perform the same way. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > Why would Simon lose the ability to use OM glass? Granted, he would not > be > able to use the rangefinder to focus, but I can tell you OM lenses work > just > fine on Bessa-T and Leica III bodies. In the latter case, you need an > accessory finder for anything but 50mm (and the former has no viewfinder > anyway) - but I use wideangles anyway. No focus problems, and few > viewfinder > problems either. > > But if you mean he might choose to give up using OM glass once he had > sampled the "other" brand - well I can't argue with that, of course ... > ... > ... since I have no comparatives. > > Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from > Robert > White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] > Sent: 09 June 2010 15:12 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > Simon, > > You have received a lot of suggestions, all of which will work. If you > consider Leica, the only options are the M9, which is quite expensive, or > a > used M8. You would give up the ability to use your Oly glass. > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 17:50:12 2010 Received: (qmail 1360 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 15:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 15:50:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB280E18099 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE2CE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A2E34AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9323234AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so90640wwb.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.155.213 with SMTP id t21mr3291321wbw.66.1276098601446; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <03CB85C0-E374-44F4-A34F-0DF1E9CB0932@people.net.au> References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <03CB85C0-E374-44F4-A34F-0DF1E9CB0932@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 17:50:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fb83441001136683642 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > A Knyght ther was, and that a worthy man, > That fro the tyme that he first bigan > To riden out, he loved chivalrie, > Trouthe and honour, fredom and curteisie. > > (Knight pronounced Ke-nich-tuh) > > > Go here and hit the .wav file button at the bottom - > http://faculty.smu.edu/bwheeler/Ency/ktale.html > > Doesn't sound very Carolina to me! The sound file illustrates the consonants and otherwise silent letters that need to be pronounced to get Chaucer's poetry to scan, among other things. As for the "sound" of it -- it sounds like a Yank down the street doing a reading. If I read a passage of Don Quixote in Castilian Spanish, I might illustrate some peculiarities of the dialect, but I can guarantee I'd sound like a Yank doing it. Not what the sound file is meant to illustrate, I think. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 18:20:31 2010 Received: (qmail 319 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 16:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 16:20:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7CEE180A3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F7E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A92834AC027 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56C734AC031 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nherndon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f175.google.com (mail-px0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so2416605pxi.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.84 with SMTP id ib20mr6857649qcb.93.1276100409339; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.25.5 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:20:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nicholas Herndon To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3rds adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 18:20:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fbf4f82491342116753 I use Fotodiox for all of my adapters. Well made and reasonably priced. https://www.fotodiox.com/catalog/home.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 19:45:18 2010 Received: (qmail 26504 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 17:45:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69C7E18089 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6678E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B399434AC02E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DA034AC02D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o59Hj16d020219 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:01 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d32.74272bbc (34933) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-5bc94c0fd30d23f; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:44:58 -0400 Received: from webmail-d049 (webmail-d049.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.91]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB018-5bc94c0fd30d23f; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:44:45 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:44:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.44 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.44 by webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.91) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:44:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD6129557EE9E-16EC-3865@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 19:45:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fd32e49473900897491 Moose says: "I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not ideal. If you want to use the existing OM lenses, the only choice is Canon, as only it has a short enough register distance to allow an adapter. The 5D, I & II, compromise a bit on prism size and the 1D series are huge and heavy. I personally find the 5D reasonable to focus manually, but that is apparently not the common experience, based on posts here." Several list members use OM lenses on the 5DII --focus is accurate with live view but a bit fussy. Ee-S screen better than stock with faster lenses but darker VF of course. If you don't mind a Frankenmount Dave at Leitax has mount conversion kits for Nikon--at least for a year or so and now Pentax. He has done it for Sony too but no kit yet on his site. I bet he could convert them for you to Sony with instructions on how to reverse. Gives me the willies but at least there are options. Appears the dof scale must be sacrificed. All conversions are non-destructive and reversible. http://www.leitax.com/OlympusOM-lens-for-Pentax-cameras.html Better yet, sell me the 40 F2 for a super price and I'll use it on OM. :-) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 20:10:44 2010 Received: (qmail 25332 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC40E18099 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8111EE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FA63610006 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E754F3610003 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so223097wwb.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.80 with SMTP id n16mr7495732wbs.144.1276107037449; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm19293843wby.22.2010.06.09.11.10.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:10:34 +0100 Message-Id: <6D62EFC9-56E5-49D9-9F07-B975E6C4E8E5@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] I found the best App for the iPad. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 20:10:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fd924204339752976205 I should be free after 6 Jul (Broads Boating until then). Chris On 9 Jun 2010, at 11:12, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I'm in Lunnen late June, early July. Anyone fancy joining me in > shooting my latest intercontinental theme - Barscapes? > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 20:18:01 2010 Received: (qmail 4111 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 18:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 18:18:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1086CE180AA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF6E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F211F34AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B7134AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100609181755.DYVZ27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:17:55 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id TuYU1e00F233qdw02uYUg5; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:32:28 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=jdDYb0aD0e8A:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=fCecjI82ayDgAiQlQLYA:9 a=fc4XkDyhzXw1cHQlFd5uz_saldEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8D02859AA32D462E9232A6C52EFC6190@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6D62EFC9-56E5-49D9-9F07-B975E6C4E8E5@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 20:18:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fdad9225871073733319 >I should be free after 6 Jul (Broads Boating until then). > > Chris Going to sea with the ladies? Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 20:23:29 2010 Received: (qmail 11329 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99517E180B3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB756E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E5634AC03F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69A934AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so532524wyi.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.199 with SMTP id e7mr135428wbv.126.1276107793461; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm1918116wba.9.2010.06.09.11.23.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <8D02859AA32D462E9232A6C52EFC6190@SueHome> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:23:11 +0100 Message-Id: <8B8E757B-9526-4FF0-B6C9-DAF86EAB39F3@threeshoes.net> References: <6D62EFC9-56E5-49D9-9F07-B975E6C4E8E5@threeshoes.net> <8D02859AA32D462E9232A6C52EFC6190@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 20:23:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fdc21168341357919056 Only one :-) Chris On 9 Jun 2010, at 19:17, Sue Pearce wrote: > > >> I should be free after 6 Jul (Broads Boating until then). >> >> Chris > Going to sea with the ladies? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 20:53:37 2010 Received: (qmail 13671 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 18:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 18:53:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4773E1809E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33835E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E990E47438 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7AFE47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o59IrPtP008819 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:53:25 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e1c.9c65a45 (43966) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD027-abbe4c0fe323184; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:53:23 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:53:22 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5009 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 75.89.74.14 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 20:53:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0fe33185861879814018 Hmm, don't come a knocking if the boat is a rocking. Sounds like fun to me. <{B^) Bill "The Cracker Jack Sailor" Barber In a message dated 6/9/2010 1:17:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bs.pearce@cox.net writes: Going to sea with the ladies? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 21:39:08 2010 Received: (qmail 16789 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E513E180C0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F70E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E474DE4B23C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704ACE53264 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29283 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 19:39:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:39:00 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 21:39:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0feddc255075683411216 As J.P. Morgan is reputed to have said in reply to his neighbor's query about the cost of maintaining his yacht: "If you have to ask how much it costs you can't afford it." :-) Variations of same are often attributed to the costs of ownership for yachts, Rolls Royces, private planes, expensive homes and artworks and (at my level of income at least) Leicas. :-) $6,995 for body only at B&H in NYC. The details Ooops! You need lenses too. Choose them here. It won't take long to exceed the cost of the body. Chuck Norcutt Simon Worby wrote: > Thanks for all the comments. > > I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately > what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a > prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own > several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with > interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably > this limitation has been addressed? > > Which Leica should I look at? > > How much does it cost? > > Thanks, > > Simon -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 21:53:14 2010 Received: (qmail 22592 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 19:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 19:53:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DA4E18090 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA59FE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94445E47439 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF893E47438 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sproul3-54-128.ucr.edu (sproul3-54-128.ucr.edu [138.23.54.128]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id MVT58843 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:53:07 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 21:53:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff12a35751946193717 Huh, I thought the M9 was around 5k, not 7! I guess that was the M8(.2). /s On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > $6,995 for body only at B&H in NYC. > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Simon Worby wrote: >> Thanks for all the comments. >> >> I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately >> what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a >> prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own >> several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with >> interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably >> this limitation has been addressed? >> >> Which Leica should I look at? >> >> How much does it cost? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Simon > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 21:58:56 2010 Received: (qmail 18167 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191EE1809E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D674BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A74E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625DDE47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 19:58:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 19:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0FF279.9060606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:58:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3rds adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 21:58:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff280308581879814018 I've heard of Fotodiox before but wasn't familiar with their products. Some of the adapters appear well made but I note that the OM to EOS adapter (except for the name) is a spittin' image of my cheaper ebay adapters. I'll have to look around at their other products. Chuck Norcutt Nicholas Herndon wrote: > I use Fotodiox for all of my adapters. Well made and reasonably priced. > https://www.fotodiox.com/catalog/home.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:00:44 2010 Received: (qmail 20241 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:00:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064B9E180B3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F3DE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C449B34AC036 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6024834AC035 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13019 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 19:59:37 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 19:59:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0FF2A9.7070405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:59:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6D62EFC9-56E5-49D9-9F07-B975E6C4E8E5@threeshoes.net> <8D02859AA32D462E9232A6C52EFC6190@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <8D02859AA32D462E9232A6C52EFC6190@SueHome> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:00:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff2ec117349730998309 Ha, I was just about to ask for a translation too! Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > >> I should be free after 6 Jul (Broads Boating until then). >> >> Chris > Going to sea with the ladies? > > Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:02:26 2010 Received: (qmail 17755 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA87E1808D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D2EE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B935C3610001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6901E34AC037 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100609200055.DMHT7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:00:55 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id TwFV1e00X233qdw02wFWqB; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:15:30 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/xTQmI1vQmH+Sb4jwMSBP/TSRaBd9B6SK/VG2ZWbm0= c=1 sm=1 a=SiNtwuXAWCUA:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=R5_rJk_c3FSQ3cauimYA:9 a=NWKf_0aDeWxKABug1yrYgPV8ByAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:00:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:02:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff352137911234514069 WEll, Chuck, I did have to ask, but I got one. The cost is off-putting, but it is worth every nickle. The cost of lenses is high, but lets remember that each new Leica lens is reputed to be the very best of the very best, so one from some years ago can still be good. I got my lenses almost all new, except for the CV 15mm, which was new bet affordable. I spent less on lenses for that than for the D3. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:04:22 2010 Received: (qmail 7535 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:04:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7284BE180A1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814EFE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7678EE47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD8AE47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o59K4Ajc005236 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:04:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e4f.23014bb (43973) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD036-d1c24c0ff3ad83; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:04:04 -0400 Received: from webmail-d049 (webmail-d049.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.91]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC013-d1c24c0ff3ad83; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:03:57 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:03:58 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.44 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.44 by webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.91) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:03:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD62607C78FAD-1F40-223E@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:04:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff3c6274681076813867 Congrats--expect a couple visitors this summer. There are many beuts on your site but I bet they stil don't do justice to the prints. Still deciding on the stark white frame-- seems a tad distracting to me. Perhaps some shade of grey. I like being able to navigate between images from the current one--similiar to Moose's. I think one navigates to the index thumbnails hitting the center the way his is set up. That works very well. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:08:33 2010 Received: (qmail 20894 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:08:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAAFE1808C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EDDE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F37E4B246 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF09E4B244 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so4580400fxm.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.199 with SMTP id d7mr1272244hbh.135.1276114105405; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.160.212 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:08:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff4c1322469730998309 Interesting layout Bob. As always your images are great. I hadn't seen yours in a while anf they make me want to visit New England again. Charlie On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in > Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun > if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will > attract this season. No one will venture a guess. > > Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The > www.bobwhitmire.com > is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll > take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and > criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to > suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know > that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks > weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. > > Thanx for looking! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:10:27 2010 Received: (qmail 29065 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:10:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4A9E18088 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C608E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B93610002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E365834AC03A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f192.google.com (mail-pz0-f192.google.com [209.85.222.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk30 with SMTP id 30so5549922pzk.6 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:10:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.53.3 with SMTP id f3mr14935846rvk.195.1276114204800; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:10:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:10:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff533166475034211378 The new gallery works fine for me in Firefox. I am particularly struck by one image I hadn't seen before - the untitled one from Boothbay Harbor. Quiet magic. Tom On 9 June 2010 12:59, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in > Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun > if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will > attract this season. No one will venture a guess. > > Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The > www.bobwhitmire.com > is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll > take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and > criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to > suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know > that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks > weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. > > Thanx for looking! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:13:23 2010 Received: (qmail 2945 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:13:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ED3E1808A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F12E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF77E47437 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E67E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o59KCfc0026430 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:12:48 GMT Message-ID: <365C97F0E88D4ACFB0C1C0B3EF8C1F07@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0FF279.9060606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3rds adapters X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:13:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ff5e3270801006886880 Chuck, The first adapter I bought, M42 to 4/3, was Fotodiox. It is a two-piece adapter, and the two are held together by set screws in the outer rim. Although I thought they were tight, after a few days of use, I felt motion between the two pieces. I marked the alignment of the two, took out the screws, applied a few drops of superglue to the mating surfaces, and reassembled the whole thing. After giving it time to cure, I have had no more problems. The Leica-R to 4/3 adapter that I bought is joined by screws in the flat surfaces. Though they are small screws, they seem to hold well. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] 4/3rds adapters > I've heard of Fotodiox before but wasn't familiar with their products. > Some of the adapters appear well made but I note that the OM to EOS > adapter (except for the name) is a spittin' image of my cheaper ebay > adapters. I'll have to look around at their other products. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nicholas Herndon wrote: >> I use Fotodiox for all of my adapters. Well made and reasonably priced. >> https://www.fotodiox.com/catalog/home.php > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 22:45:42 2010 Received: (qmail 30853 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BA8E18088 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3290E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE47A34AC043 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786F34AC03C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so363885wwb.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.197 with SMTP id e5mr2270777wbv.190.1276116330847; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm14112018wbc.2.2010.06.09.13.45.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:45:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> Message-Id: <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 22:45:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c0ffd76188555034211378 Ah, I must explain. The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. http://www.norfolkbroads.com/regional-information/ That's why I asked for an EC14: there is loads of wildlife, and I needed an extender for my 50-200. Luckily a list member has been most generous with a sale :-) (among several offers of loans, for which I was v.v. grateful). Cheers Chris On 9 Jun 2010, at 19:53, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Hmm, don't come a knocking if the boat is a rocking. Sounds like fun to > me. <{B^) Bill "The Cracker Jack Sailor" Barber > > In a message dated 6/9/2010 1:17:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bs.pearce@cox.net writes: > > Going to sea with the ladies? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 23:40:11 2010 Received: (qmail 28399 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30C7E180B3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60117E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9794E47437 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47094E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26884 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 21:40:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 21:40:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4C100A30.7070204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:40:00 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 23:40:11 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c100a3b222795034211378 Full frame sensor in the M9. Chuck Norcutt siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Huh, I thought the M9 was around 5k, not 7! I guess that was the M8(.2). > > /s > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> $6,995 for body only at B&H in NYC. >> >> > >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Simon Worby wrote: >>> Thanks for all the comments. >>> >>> I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately >>> what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a >>> prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own >>> several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with >>> interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably >>> this limitation has been addressed? >>> >>> Which Leica should I look at? >>> >>> How much does it cost? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Simon >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jun 9 23:44:17 2010 Received: (qmail 14856 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BF7E18088 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB06E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEF9E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BF6E47437 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sententia.ucr.edu (sententia.ucr.edu [138.23.226.213]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sproul3-54-128.ucr.edu (sproul3-54-128.ucr.edu [138.23.54.128]) by sententia.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id BNT44432 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <4C100A30.7070204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:44:11 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> <4C100A30.7070204@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jun 9 23:44:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c100b31115241136683642 Oh right. Still want one! /s On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Full frame sensor in the M9. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: >> Huh, I thought the M9 was around 5k, not 7! I guess that was the M8(.2). >> >> /s >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>> $6,995 for body only at B&H in NYC. >>> >>> >> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Simon Worby wrote: >>>> Thanks for all the comments. >>>> >>>> I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately >>>> what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a >>>> prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own >>>> several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with >>>> interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably >>>> this limitation has been addressed? >>>> >>>> Which Leica should I look at? >>>> >>>> How much does it cost? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Simon >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:08:50 2010 Received: (qmail 26532 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:08:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3CEE18089 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69979E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CD634AC045 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA1634AC03C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=ur40MZUyAAAA:8 a=ko68s4_ktF3I5Xn8L8MA:9 a=jC7Q_6EwjRk9sCPOo5_0YDD1t2UA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:46868] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id C9/A2-26996-BE0101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:08:43 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6151AB17-1430-440F-8274-91A611939FAA@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:08:42 -0400 References: <459267.21440.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42424AD9-3D66-4FAB-BE51-0B261A6E90CB@people.net.au> <0B0E3163-7B75-4743-8F78-1E2D2C7E659C@roadrunner.com> <8CAA3040-0139-44A4-9E9B-0CA5F12FB892@people.net.au> <6151AB17-1430-440F-8274-91A611939FAA@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Grammar and more X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:08:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1010f254801006886880 Nah, like masturbation, rationalization does not require anyone else to be present. In fact, I'm told some of the finest rationalizations are of the self-delusional variety. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Just to get the definitions tied down - is that the Clinton definition > of sex? Does another person have to be in the room? > Or am I rationalising? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:13:06 2010 Received: (qmail 17391 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:13:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A88E180B7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E881E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213FB3610002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93943610006 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=agWJDuH+neGiVZLgYVGv1Xi9JUj+L/rHoYACaXmgxfc= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=P9GQHKWOzOM44U7J1EYA:9 a=-Xccix9tTESetQu-aiXXnaWt3oMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:34577] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 75/BF-11991-BE1101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:12:59 +0000 Message-Id: <1E83F698-6F02-4DC8-B472-B0BB300E0B84@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:12:58 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:13:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1011f285171258626592 Thanx! That one has been sitting quietly in my computer for several years waiting for me to discover the magic of fine art paper. It makes quite a print. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > The new gallery works fine for me in Firefox. > > I am particularly struck by one image I hadn't seen before - the > untitled > one from Boothbay Harbor. Quiet magic. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:16:25 2010 Received: (qmail 22167 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9ADE1805D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6789E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C549F3628002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDF43628001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=wsRphYuOAwEEdLt3L2MA:9 a=Hk36uHIVa599hbZUeGkA:7 a=zZ1YdazpLUQ_9Bf3UolRQlRTZX8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:36432] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D8/BE-26996-0B2101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:16:17 +0000 Message-Id: <8D8475B5-1D86-4C35-A28F-EA4F57B2AC3E@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CCD62607C78FAD-1F40-223E@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:16:16 -0400 References: <8CCD62607C78FAD-1F40-223E@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:16:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1012b9131521413256596 Hope to see you two up here this summer. Gimme a shout. I used a Mac program called RapidWeaver to write the site. The gallery style is a plug-in called Slimbox. I like the way it does the images. I also like the way it makes it difficult to actually download an image. I took a couple of runs at it recently and pretty much got nowhere. My old galleries would give the poacher an 800-pixel-wide 100 dpi image. Can't do much with that, but still . . . --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:03 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Congrats--expect a couple visitors this summer. > There are many beuts on your site but I bet they stil don't do > justice > to the prints. Still deciding on the stark white frame-- > seems a tad distracting to me. Perhaps some shade of grey. I like > being able to navigate between images from the current one--similiar > to > Moose's. > I think one navigates to the index thumbnails hitting the center the > way his is set up. That works very well. > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:16:26 2010 Received: (qmail 6763 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68D1E18089 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBB4E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7613610009 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D53610006 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=agWJDuH+neGiVZLgYVGv1Xi9JUj+L/rHoYACaXmgxfc= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=H3SusaLdr9tiZQ846YsA:9 a=VowCMdktBepOLO7RzmEA:7 a=Wl_Bk4wa6LgHtE-_x-xHLDl6gfAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:35657] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id BE/C0-11991-E22101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:14:06 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:14:05 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:16:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1012ba68051560218263 Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and black flies and deer flies for tripod space. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Interesting layout Bob. As always your images are great. I hadn't > seen > yours in a while anf they make me want to visit New England again. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:16:34 2010 Received: (qmail 23354 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:16:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E1BE180BB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F43EE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05BC3610006 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06B43610002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100609221613.MGWN18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:16:13 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id TyWt1e002233qdw02yWtfz; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:30:53 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xwsVr6QgMdds1dyN7Ochknj62Qpcyc1pTVlWYWMdZVo= c=1 sm=1 a=SiNtwuXAWCUA:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=JLWaRogUAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xI3fPHY5aqfueyRfr-EA:9 a=DVs5qRa6axlGFYffH_IA:7 a=_qCRsQ09TKykbPV78npLHNS3f1gA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com><4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:16:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:16:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1012c155381357919056 sad but true, and worth every bit. The total lack of an anti-ailiasing filter is amazing. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > Huh, I thought the M9 was around 5k, not 7! I guess that was the M8(.2). > > /s > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> $6,995 for body only at B&H in NYC. >> >> > >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Simon Worby wrote: >>> Thanks for all the comments. >>> >>> I sort of sense Leica is the only option, which I think is unfortunately >>> what I was expecting. I know nothing about Leica; SLR is not a >>> prerequisite as I'm happy with rangefinders in principle, and own >>> several old Oly rangefinders. But the only ones I've come across with >>> interchangeable lenses have been awkward, to say the least, presumably >>> this limitation has been addressed? >>> >>> Which Leica should I look at? >>> >>> How much does it cost? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Simon >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2927 - Release Date: 06/09/10 06:35:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:20:54 2010 Received: (qmail 19171 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A544AE1808F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650FDE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628303610002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190D03610001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=agWJDuH+neGiVZLgYVGv1Xi9JUj+L/rHoYACaXmgxfc= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=D6A5qe75AAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=GcKqGk9Bu9umuB64osMA:9 a=7vhOZTIk-foJ_-jtwGcA:7 a=ilBRK6di6_8qYyNWZHM4xXNeCBsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=huUdm3FF9QgA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:34990] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 5E/A4-11991-F23101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:18:23 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:18:23 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:20:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1013c5142025368819438 It's worth a trip. Ask Moose. Maybe your old friend is still in Saco. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Good job, Bob. Makes me want to come out yoiur way just to see it. > > AG > > On Wednesday, June 9, 2010, Bob Whitmire > wrote: >> Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors >> in >> Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun >> if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will >> attract this season. No one will venture a guess. >> >> Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmire.com >> is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll >> take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and >> criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to >> suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I >> know >> that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it >> looks >> weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. >> >> Thanx for looking! >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:23:28 2010 Received: (qmail 3699 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:23:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7015E180C7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F73BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEF8E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9E7E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100609221726.OSRF16574.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:17:26 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id TyY61e009233qdw02yY66m; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:32:06 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=vNIbPUDLTeBT26R5MEyV/mzVE5nT716WF7Yxtso9zlQ= c=1 sm=1 a=SiNtwuXAWCUA:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=iYag4G39E1K9ZnEIcT8A:9 a=7TaSY4EKyTfZSEHoj3PHJDcpMbcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <275A53FE88564619B2F6A09A600F0DF6@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com><4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:17:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:23:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10146030721413256596 I got my lenses almost all new, > I meant used. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:23:29 2010 Received: (qmail 3037 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2320E1808E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F0E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E643610003 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01913610001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=6gzHBqfwkS4Lb2CVdhMA:9 a=cfOeNSJ1GjrzfKnWbIEA:7 a=sA36IUWY0AUmunm0ggmD9aCVeVYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:36871] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 20/41-26996-013101C4; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:17:52 +0000 Message-Id: <23F3A4DD-632F-4D5A-831B-CD1C8F9391C5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0F9D96.6020601@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:17:51 -0400 References: <4C0F9D96.6020601@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:23:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101461174736789618724 Thanx, Chuck. "Splash" is one of my particular favorites. I've been working on it for quite a while. Finally got it like I like it. Most likely will print on Ultra Smooth Fine Art, but may use a Montval watercolor paper. Proofing will tell the pudding. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My, you have some very nice stuff there we've not seen before. > "Splash" > at Pemaquid Point caught my eye for its very special light. "Stone & > Foam" is nice too but it looks like you lost the bright sun that makes > "Spash" so special. "Green Wall" is nice too but "Splash" takes the > cake. But there's plenty more good 'uns too. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:32:25 2010 Received: (qmail 21828 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:32:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF918E180A8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17CBE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC8AE47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6C6E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27723 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 22:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:32:14 -0000 Message-Id: <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:32:13 +1000 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk><4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:32:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101679285991946193717 That's quite a bit cheaper than B&H. Might pick one up while I'm over. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 1:15 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from > Robert > White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:39:13 2010 Received: (qmail 19510 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:39:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589BAE1809D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D267BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D99E4B23E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EA3E4B23D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3805 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 22:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:39:06 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:39:05 +1000 References: <201006040542.o545gaVK006386@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> <254975.62844.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <08365820-0FFE-40B6-96D4-4112776633D5@people.net.au> <03CB85C0-E374-44F4-A34F-0DF1E9CB0932@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OtT Grad ND/ iPad/ Apostrophe. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:39:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101811143221950411718 Doesn't sound like a yank reading it to me. Sounds very much like an educated regional English voice. I've never been sure whether those silent letters were originally pronounced - I suspect they were and that it's not just a poetic device. The 'k' in knighte for instance.. Some of it was Germanic, coming through from Old English, so a terminal 'e' in tale might well have been sounded. There have been major shifts - 'bird' was once 'brid', 'king' was 'cyninge'. Tricky innit? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 1:50 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > The sound file illustrates the consonants and otherwise silent letters > that need to be pronounced to get Chaucer's poetry to scan, among > other things. As for the "sound" of it -- it sounds like a Yank down > the street doing a reading. If I read a passage of Don Quixote in > Castilian Spanish, I might illustrate some peculiarities of the > dialect, but I can guarantee I'd sound like a Yank doing it. Not what > the sound file is meant to illustrate, I think. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:44:01 2010 Received: (qmail 3991 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:44:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C0DE1809C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F140E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2A5E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE31E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10136 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 22:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:43:53 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:43:52 +1000 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com><4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <4C0FEDD4.9080708@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:44:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101931155001076813867 Yup - the 21mm f1.4 should cost more than an M9. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 5:39 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Ooops! You need lenses too. Choose them here. It won't take long to > exceed the cost of the body. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 00:52:36 2010 Received: (qmail 31153 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 22:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:52:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E64E18089 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDA7E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5E8E53262 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0964AE4B23C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22308 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 22:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 22:52:30 -0000 Message-Id: <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:52:29 +1000 References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 00:52:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101b3441342517112723 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual lakes. :-) Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely for many reasons. 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in > Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as > being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:03:27 2010 Received: (qmail 29987 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:03:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F12BE18093 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC9CE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11280E4743A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC71E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18267 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 23:03:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 23:03:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4C101DB3.2050701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:03:15 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:03:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101dbf263681413256596 Yes, I liked that one too. Very much in fact. I was just growing short of time for more accolades. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > The new gallery works fine for me in Firefox. > > I am particularly struck by one image I hadn't seen before - the untitled > one from Boothbay Harbor. Quiet magic. > > Tom > > On 9 June 2010 12:59, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in >> Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun >> if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will >> attract this season. No one will venture a guess. >> >> Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll >> take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and >> criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to >> suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know >> that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks >> weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. >> >> Thanx for looking! >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:06:41 2010 Received: (qmail 386 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:06:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2046CE1809F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A182AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C6C3610004 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BB13610003 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20072 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 23:06:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jun 2010 23:06:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4C101E79.2000501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:06:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:06:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101e81165705368819438 The story and some good views on this page Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Ah, I must explain. > > The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. > > http://www.norfolkbroads.com/regional-information/ > > That's why I asked for an EC14: there is loads of wildlife, and I needed an extender for my 50-200. Luckily a list member has been most generous with a sale :-) (among several offers of loans, for which I was v.v. grateful). > > Cheers > > Chris > On 9 Jun 2010, at 19:53, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > >> Hmm, don't come a knocking if the boat is a rocking. Sounds like fun to >> me. <{B^) Bill "The Cracker Jack Sailor" Barber >> >> In a message dated 6/9/2010 1:17:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> bs.pearce@cox.net writes: >> >> Going to sea with the ladies? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:11:16 2010 Received: (qmail 7918 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:11:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A84E180A8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B21E2410D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74ACE47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2C5E47437 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so368061gwa.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.1.24 with SMTP id d24mr420547ybi.319.1276125034789; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwbeb26398ea43 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm4328551ywh.2.2010.06.09.16.10.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com><561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:10:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcsIJnS1tbb5vFUWTG6uSnTtx0npiAAAjjMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:11:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c101f94240301234514069 Is the Norfolk Broads not a single entity such as Yellowstone National Park? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 09 June 2010 23:52 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual lakes. :-) Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely for many reasons. 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in > Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as > being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:24:10 2010 Received: (qmail 27254 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:24:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B7EE180AD for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC79E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C113610001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:24:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD4E3610003 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:24:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13474 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 23:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:23:59 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:23:58 +1000 References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com><561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:24:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10229a296527801554290 A lot of individual lakes attached to rivers over a large area - they are not geographically discrete and one does talk about an individual 'Broad' such as Wroxham Broad. Still from the mill page linked, it seems that it is a 'singular noun'. Not sure that I agree - and I've lived in the area. Even understand the local version of English (which is rich with Norse terms). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 9:10 AM, deebel wrote: > Is the Norfolk Broads not a single entity such as Yellowstone > National Park? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:46:40 2010 Received: (qmail 23265 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:46:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11C4E1808D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C9BE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2694CE47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEA9E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11221 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:46:40 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1027e0307684877110844 What! No green head flies? I know they extend from at least New Jersey to Maine. I used to encounter them (during the day) on the Plum Island wildlife refuge in Newburyport, Massachusetts from late June through August. The bite is painful. It was just impossible to be on the beach or in the marsh in the summer. I eventually gave up going there. Moccasins and gators are much more polite and much less bothersome. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich > environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and > black flies and deer flies for tripod space. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > >> Interesting layout Bob. As always your images are great. I hadn't >> seen >> yours in a while anf they make me want to visit New England again. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 01:50:33 2010 Received: (qmail 4696 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2010 23:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:50:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09281E180AA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39612E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368C53610002 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D33628001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:50:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13658 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jun 2010 23:50:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 01:50:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1028c9106131560218263 Interesting. That's quite a saving over B&H. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > That's quite a bit cheaper than B&H. Might pick one up while I'm > over. :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 1:15 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > >> Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from >> Robert >> White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 02:49:23 2010 Received: (qmail 20793 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 00:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 00:49:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58880E180C2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86DAE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B661DE47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754FDE4B23C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f175.google.com (mail-px0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so2640462pxi.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.213.24 with SMTP id p24mr15149713rvq.291.1276130954988; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:49:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 02:49:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c103693167481076813867 Robert White quotes prices without VAT. That price is available to some of you guys, but not to us! Tom On 10 June 2010 00:50, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Interesting. That's quite a saving over B&H. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: > > That's quite a bit cheaper than B&H. Might pick one up while I'm > > over. :-) > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 1:15 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > > >> Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from > >> Robert > >> White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 02:51:34 2010 Received: (qmail 27848 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0F1E18090 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C2AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4230E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F458E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TnfD1e0040cQ2SLAC0pQ76; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:49:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([76.115.42.101]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id U0pP1e0032Axmu48W0pPk5; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:49:24 +0000 Message-ID: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:49:20 -0700 From: Paul Laughlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 02:51:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c103716164019752976205 On 6/9/2010 3:14 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich > environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and > black flies and deer flies for tripod space. > And then there's those durned no-see-ums. I drove into a mess of them one night and had to stop and clean the windshield before I could continue down the road. LOL Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 03:22:09 2010 Received: (qmail 29154 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 01:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 01:22:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3B8E180C1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF56E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F27E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FD5E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30577 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2010 01:22:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:22:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 03:22:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c103e4197112439112457 It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No VAT here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Robert White quotes prices without VAT. That price is available to some of > you guys, but not to us! > > Tom > > On 10 June 2010 00:50, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Interesting. That's quite a saving over B&H. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> That's quite a bit cheaper than B&H. Might pick one up while I'm >>> over. :-) >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/06/2010, at 1:15 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: >>> >>>> Oh and Simon, the M9 has a full-frame sensor, and costs GBP4217 from >>>> Robert >>>> White. Body only. Yes, I checked there are no extra digits in there. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 03:32:00 2010 Received: (qmail 30226 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 01:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 01:31:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5C1E180BA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F806E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CD73618008 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C893618007 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 01:31:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 03:32:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c104090246991073733319 In the northeast along trout streams it's midges that swarm by the tens of thousands at windshield height and in Florida it's lovebugs who mate by the tens of thousands at windshield height. Those you always get in pairs. :-) The Florida Turnpike has special windshield washing stations located at the rest stops. It's a pipe with a special high pressure water spray head about 3 meters high and angled down toward the ground. When you drive up to it a sensor turns the water on and you approach the appropriate distance to put your windshield (and headlights) into the spray. It works well if the bugs haven't already been so thick that you can't find the rest stop. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > On 6/9/2010 3:14 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich >> environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and >> black flies and deer flies for tripod space. >> > > And then there's those durned no-see-ums. I drove into a mess of them > one night and had to stop and clean the windshield before I could > continue down the road. LOL > Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 04:56:35 2010 Received: (qmail 32595 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 02:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 02:56:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309ADE1808D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FE2E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA789E47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD85E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5A2uLke030717 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 02:56:26 GMT Message-ID: <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:56:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 04:56:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c105463285461357919056 Hi Paul, Years ago, I drove through a swarm of bees that were crossing the highway. That was really a sticky mess. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website > On 6/9/2010 3:14 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich >> environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and >> black flies and deer flies for tripod space. >> > > And then there's those durned no-see-ums. I drove into a mess of them > one night and had to stop and clean the windshield before I could > continue down the road. LOL > Paul in Portland OR > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 07:01:41 2010 Received: (qmail 20368 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 05:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 05:01:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA99BE180A0 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035FAE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FC3E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA1BE47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so571493wwb.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.80 with SMTP id n16mr8220501wbs.144.1276146091598; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm31058201wba.21.2010.06.09.22.01.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:01:29 +0100 Message-Id: References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 07:01:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1071b4571342116753 No, it's a collective noun (phrase), Andrew, therefore singular. I'll find out more while I am there, but the most cutting would have been of reeds, surely, for thatching. Chris On 9 Jun 2010, at 23:52, Andrew Fildes wrote: > 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual > lakes. :-) > Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely > for many reasons. > 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. > Andrew Fildes > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in >> Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as >> being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 07:03:52 2010 Received: (qmail 6058 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 05:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 05:03:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED75E180AB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C98E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141613618008 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCBC3618007 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so571843wwb.20 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.145 with SMTP id c17mr3089180wbw.157.1276146157379; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm17300353wbc.8.2010.06.09.22.02.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:02:35 +0100 Message-Id: <891E55AE-4C77-418F-B07B-149F5281CB1B@threeshoes.net> References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com><561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 07:03:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c107238161961136683642 But you've lost the accent ... :-) Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 00:23, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Still from the mill page linked, it seems that it is a 'singular noun'. > Not sure that I agree - and I've lived in the area. Even understand > the local version of English (which is rich with Norse terms). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 07:08:02 2010 Received: (qmail 17420 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 05:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 05:08:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEC5E1808C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6C8E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599D1E47436 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 07:08:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c107332146332013633067 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Poilu+de+Metz-1000900.jpg.html (Poilu i.e. Hairy/Bearded/Courageous is the self-given nickname of French WWI Veterans) Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 07:13:29 2010 Received: (qmail 31807 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 05:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 05:13:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7D4E180A0 for ; 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Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm19125234wbd.13.2010.06.09.22.13.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:13:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <484F9138-19C9-486E-B2B1-22C91903D647@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Clearing skies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 07:13:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c107479174115683411216 That's good, Philippe. And thanks for the translation of "poilu". Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 06:07, philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Poilu+de+Metz-1000900.jpg.html > (Poilu i.e. Hairy/Bearded/Courageous is the self-given nickname of > French WWI Veterans) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:13:08 2010 Received: (qmail 1638 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:13:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5333EE180A1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E5AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739F6E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A9FE47427 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14624 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2010 06:12:54 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:12:52 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: my impressions of Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:13:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10827480761076813867 I have finally finished processing my pictures from the trip to Boston in late May, and my own favourites are here (although I have also saved some for the PAW blog): http://www.frozenlight.eu/boston2010/ I hope it comes through that I really, really liked the place, on both sides of the river :-) As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:27:21 2010 Received: (qmail 26852 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:27:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349B3E1808D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A253E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E57A3618007 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A213618009 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:27:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13859 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:27:12 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:27:12 +1000 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:27:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1085c9305201744846740 That did occur - plus 17% isn't it? :-0 I'd pay 10% on import but not if it's in my hot little hand! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 10:49 AM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Robert White quotes prices without VAT. That price is available to > some of > you guys, but not to us! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:29:09 2010 Received: (qmail 14947 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:29:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86CBE180A3 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE127E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14123618004 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219963628001 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15974 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:28:11 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:28:10 +1000 References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:29:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c108635257865368819438 Don't you have a friend in Jersey? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No > VAT > here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state > taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:32:29 2010 Received: (qmail 11186 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:32:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEACE180A2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D354E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C61E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797B3E47434 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24498 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:32:22 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:32:21 +1000 References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:32:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1086fd179341220213263 OK - if we're playing the Monty Python 'hot gravel' game - we have big Wedge-tail eagles that snack on road kill and rise at the last minute. 8ft wingspan. If you have one of those swoop up your windscreen at the last moment as they will, a blinding flash of brown feathers, then you have to stop. The windscreen is fine, as is the eagle but you may have to hose down your seat. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 12:56 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Years ago, I drove through a swarm of bees that were crossing the > highway. > That was really a sticky mess. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Laughlin" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website > > >> On 6/9/2010 3:14 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >>> Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich >>> environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and >>> black flies and deer flies for tripod space. >>> >> >> And then there's those durned no-see-ums. I drove into a mess of >> them >> one night and had to stop and clean the windshield before I could >> continue down the road. LOL >> Paul in Portland OR >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:34:09 2010 Received: (qmail 15302 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:34:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C9EE1809A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993BEE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A30E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1254E47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27990 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:33:46 -0000 Message-Id: <4252F832-0DDE-45F1-942B-EBCB751A8E45@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:33:46 +1000 References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:34:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10876156976789618724 Cool. Anyway, the Broads is a beautiful sight. Hmmmm.... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 3:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > No, it's a collective noun (phrase), Andrew, therefore singular. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:35:46 2010 Received: (qmail 32534 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:35:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9BCE1808A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6600AE240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FF63618006 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F623618004 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30699 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:35:24 -0000 Message-Id: <9D054D2E-A298-4565-97E3-D89FAB45ADFE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <891E55AE-4C77-418F-B07B-149F5281CB1B@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:35:24 +1000 References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com><561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> <891E55AE-4C77-418F-B07B-149F5281CB1B@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:35:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1087c2177752439112457 Ah yes, you aren't that far away. I never had it as my parents lived there and I was an occasional resident. Took a while to get in tune with the local yokels. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 3:02 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > But you've lost the accent ... :-) > > Chris > > On 10 Jun 2010, at 00:23, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Still from the mill page linked, it seems that it is a 'singular >> noun'. >> Not sure that I agree - and I've lived in the area. Even understand >> the local version of English (which is rich with Norse terms). > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 08:49:19 2010 Received: (qmail 23193 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 06:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:49:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FC4E1808E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F38E240E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FED0E47436 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442CEE47435 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27695 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 06:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 06:49:13 -0000 Message-Id: <8ACADCED-51AC-41AC-B5E0-863E24C31890@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:49:12 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: my impressions of Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 08:49:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c108aef225891234514069 I always like people candids best so 'On the T' is a great shot for me. Love the balance. And the narrative content. However, the composition you achieved for the memorial flags is excellent. And it's nice to see Banksy getting around a bit! (Cancelled). Haven't seen that work before. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 4:12 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have finally finished processing my pictures from the trip to > Boston in late May, and my own favourites are here (although I have > also saved some for the PAW blog): > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/boston2010/ > > I hope it comes through that I really, really liked the place, on > both sides of the river :-) > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 12:18:26 2010 Received: (qmail 31734 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 10:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 10:18:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76329E1808A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D3EE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299034AC029 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E90934AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 224 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:13 +0200 References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 12:18:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10bbf2207681413256596 Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko 21mm? On 09 Jun 2010, at 3:51 PM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: > >> The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of >> the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. > > Well... define 'best'. It's got complex mustache distortion, is > huge, and expensive. The Oly 21/2 betters it in all 3 of those > respects, and is a stop faster. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 12:52:02 2010 Received: (qmail 28521 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 10:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 10:52:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B43DE18089 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA599E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E9B34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D626634AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32191 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 10:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 10:51:52 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:51:51 +1000 References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 12:52:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10c3d259881136683642 What the hell is complex moustache distortion? I can think of 400 witticisms involving various forms of osculation and latte filtering so please, put me out of my misery. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 8:18 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko > 21mm? > > On 09 Jun 2010, at 3:51 PM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> >>> The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of >>> the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. >> >> Well... define 'best'. It's got complex mustache distortion, is >> huge, and expensive. The Oly 21/2 betters it in all 3 of those >> respects, and is a stop faster. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 13:09:57 2010 Received: (qmail 30328 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 11:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 11:09:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24AAE1809B for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C44E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB17D34AC02D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925A934AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=agWJDuH+neGiVZLgYVGv1Xi9JUj+L/rHoYACaXmgxfc= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=3T0ZhKriHakk3Pe-u6IA:9 a=r0HS49PMc9TSwQVrrjPxqH-73wAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:47907] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 84/5C-11991-FF7C01C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:09:51 +0000 Message-Id: <089018A7-19BE-46DD-98E6-51704345CD4C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C1027D7.8090209@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:09:51 -0400 References: <4C1027D7.8090209@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 13:09:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10c80570701234514069 I don't spend much time on beaches, 'cause we don't have many of them, but I don't recall the green heads. Know folks from New Jersey, though, who speak much about them. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What! No green head flies? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 13:26:02 2010 Received: (qmail 13615 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 11:26:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5545CE18088 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E42DE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BAE34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:25:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A147434AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMftQ-0003HU-RN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:25:53 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu><6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:25:42 +0100 Message-ID: <48F97191E8E54B3882FE69059515F6D2@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsIivWm74+TCwciRFadN6dVgAzXtAABDxFg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 09/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 13:26:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10cbca46641744846740 It's a combination of pincushion and barrel distortion - barrel in the centre, pincushion at the edges (for example). There's a good illustrated discussion here, though he doesn't use the term Moustache. But don't worry, I don't think he has anything against facial hair. http://www.epaperpress.com/ptlens/lensCorrect.html Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 10 June 2010 11:52 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al What the hell is complex moustache distortion? I can think of 400 witticisms involving various forms of osculation and latte filtering so please, put me out of my misery. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 8:18 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko > 21mm? > > On 09 Jun 2010, at 3:51 PM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> >>> The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of >>> the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. >> >> Well... define 'best'. It's got complex mustache distortion, is >> huge, and expensive. The Oly 21/2 betters it in all 3 of those >> respects, and is a stop faster. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 13:28:20 2010 Received: (qmail 1016 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE39E18094 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31683E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932334AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C0634AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMfvh-0003Xp-DM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:28:13 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu><6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1A4FE9B929CE40ABA2F6844EAFA08F34@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsIivWm74+TCwciRFadN6dVgAzXtAABDxFgAAAqiKA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 09/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 13:28:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10cc5413967801554290 The link doesn't work properly - you will need to select "Lens correction" from the sidebar. And he does mention moustaches. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Piers Hemy [mailto:piers@hemy.org] Sent: 10 June 2010 12:26 To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' Subject: RE: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al It's a combination of pincushion and barrel distortion - barrel in the centre, pincushion at the edges (for example). There's a good illustrated discussion here, though he doesn't use the term Moustache. But don't worry, I don't think he has anything against facial hair. http://www.epaperpress.com/ptlens/lensCorrect.html Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 10 June 2010 11:52 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al What the hell is complex moustache distortion? I can think of 400 witticisms involving various forms of osculation and latte filtering so please, put me out of my misery. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 8:18 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko > 21mm? > > On 09 Jun 2010, at 3:51 PM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> >>> The C/Y Distagon is indeed a monster lens. Alas, it's the best of >>> the best for 21mm SLR lenses as I understand. >> >> Well... define 'best'. It's got complex mustache distortion, is >> huge, and expensive. The Oly 21/2 betters it in all 3 of those >> respects, and is a stop faster. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 13:47:01 2010 Received: (qmail 10857 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A906E180BA for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317EBE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A1134AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC34734AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.225.127]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3S002XIRDRR2D0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:46:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:46:42 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 13:47:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10d0b5192164877110844 Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the mirror in place. Repair is done free. http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help > with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size > and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a > problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The > only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast > (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend > themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >> >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> >> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >> >>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:11:54 2010 Received: (qmail 14696 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:11:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A66E180C6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C470E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A0C34AC028 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8120634AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19756 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 12:11:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:11:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10d68a233793900897491 Their life cycle starts in the marsh. I forget you only have stones. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > I don't spend much time on beaches, 'cause we don't have many of them, > but I don't recall the green heads. Know folks from New Jersey, > though, who speak much about them. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> What! No green head flies? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:28:48 2010 Received: (qmail 18096 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:28:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DBAE180B2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA825E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A1234AC029 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921FA34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.225.127]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3S005YOTBAM5U0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:28:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C10DA6A.5040102@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:28:26 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:28:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10da8045795683411216 Beautiful work, Bob and I really like the presentation. Big fan of New England here. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in > Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun > if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will > attract this season. No one will venture a guess. > > Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmire.com > is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll > take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and > criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to > suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know > that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks > weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. > > Thanx for looking! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:44:12 2010 Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:44:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C28E180AC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9055E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E062034AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7888934AC029 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10688 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 12:44:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Clearing skies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:44:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10de1c62607801554290 The clouds make the shot! Chuck Norcutt philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Poilu+de+Metz-1000900.jpg.html > (Poilu i.e. Hairy/Bearded/Courageous is the self-given nickname of > French WWI Veterans) > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:46:09 2010 Received: (qmail 27554 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:46:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE71E18089 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F212EE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ED4E47438 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C48E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11825 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 12:46:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2010 12:46:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4C10DE89.4000705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:46:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:46:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10de90260709730998309 B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Don't you have a friend in Jersey? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No >> VAT >> here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state >> taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:57:14 2010 Received: (qmail 33 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:57:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26AE18092 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76914E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E9334AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191D334AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19182 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:57:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10e12a74561413256596 Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that > original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and > fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the > mirror in place. Repair is done free. > > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>> >>> >>> --Bob Whitmire >>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>> >>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 14:58:47 2010 Received: (qmail 15311 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 12:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 12:58:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F61E18094 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDB8E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFA7E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD802E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19962 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 12:58:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2010 12:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:58:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100609-1, 06/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 14:58:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10e187142244877110844 But, do Aussie road rest stops provide free hose down stations? Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > OK - if we're playing the Monty Python 'hot gravel' game - we have big > Wedge-tail eagles that snack on road kill and rise at the last minute. > 8ft wingspan. If you have one of those swoop up your windscreen at the > last moment as they will, a blinding flash of brown feathers, then you > have to stop. The windscreen is fine, as is the eagle but you may have > to hose down your seat. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 12:56 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Years ago, I drove through a swarm of bees that were crossing the >> highway. >> That was really a sticky mess. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Laughlin" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website >> >> >>> On 6/9/2010 3:14 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>> Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich >>>> environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and >>>> black flies and deer flies for tripod space. >>>> >>> And then there's those durned no-see-ums. I drove into a mess of >>> them >>> one night and had to stop and clean the windshield before I could >>> continue down the road. LOL >>> Paul in Portland OR >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 15:57:06 2010 Received: (qmail 12706 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C451AE1808E for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEF5E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E814034AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7186734AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-041.ctimail.com [61.93.57.41]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o5ADuwth014697 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:56:58 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o5ADuvkI006318 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:56:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com><4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:56:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 15:57:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10ef32238593900897491 My 5D II do have two small metal clamps on left and right sides. The 5D mirror off problem seems rather popular, many used 5Ds selling locally said to have mirror clamps added. This kind of problem is not new to me, the mirror on my brand new M*nolta 600si came off within a month, I fixed it myself but unfortunately scratched the focusing screen during cleaning up the mirror box, it costed me over $50 for a replacement. On the other hand I owned over 10 OMs and never seen one had this problem. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's > mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected > products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to > inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I > don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II > mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >> >> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 16:05:48 2010 Received: (qmail 18644 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 14:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 14:05:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A8EE180B8 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B36E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B45E34AC02D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564E234AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 5571fca3.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.252.163] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMiO3-0006dR-6k for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:05:39 +0200 Message-Id: <49AF9054-680D-4F23-AB03-6666ADCC881F@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:05:34 +0200 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1OMiO3-0006dR-6k X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: [OM] TOPE 42: anonymity lifted and replaced the picture of entry #5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 16:05:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c10f13c265281413256596 Hi all, I have just lifted the anonymity period of TOPE 42, and per the request of the photographer of entry nr. 5 (i.e. Brian Swale) I replaced his entry with one in which the main subject appears nicer. I agree, this picture is better, so you made a good call in asking for the substitution. :) Once again, go check out the good stuff at the gallery! Cheers! Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 42: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=42 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 18:09:19 2010 Received: (qmail 10736 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E20EE180B7 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606DDE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D426E47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCA3E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5AG8LAH030857; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:08:24 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:08:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 18:09:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c110e2f43785368819438 Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 18:12:04 2010 Received: (qmail 24982 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 16:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 16:12:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140C9E180B6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9408BE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F41E4743A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B70E47438 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jJbPGmXOB2KxvVtLsuaWKFentT1dBOIy/fHrGJab3OE= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=qrqso71NAAAA:8 a=viUtC74lGpHsWV2yDQIA:9 a=pYhDLTA80vl4oUQ_51QA:7 a=doQPTgk3VB-MaNEgKofVHuCe_2oA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_x6GTltEcL4A:10 a=OgPDY0HkI2EIZDr7:21 a=ko1WMbGpql7dGxo5:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1148] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id F3/04-15311-DCE011C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:11:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:11:54 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 18:12:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c110ed494244877110844 Some info in case anyone is interested: After following Chuck's directions, the file downloads were the same, no differences. I have installed and uninstalled Olympus Viewer 2 a total of 8 times now, all to no avail. I have emailed back and forth with Olympus and followed their recommendations, still no go. I have just spent 45 minutes on the phone with Olympus Tech support and a very nice gentleman named Stanley took over my computer remotely and he couldn't get Olympus Viewer 2 to run, either. We see an error with "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. So, he will research this and get back to me as soon as possible. I am hoping very much that he can find a solution. Candace On 6/2/2010 2:08 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus Viewer. Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with Firefox, it won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 twice, turned off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing it, and rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera comes up, and then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus Viewer encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the message to Microsoft does nothing, of course. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 18:20:54 2010 Received: (qmail 21034 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 16:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 16:20:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9BDE180A2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C53E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF9A34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E5B34AC028 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2116.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2857A70000A4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:20:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (41.173.70-86.rev.gaoland.net [86.70.173.41]) by msfrf2116.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E70170000A3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:20:47 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100610162047592.0E70170000A3@msfrf2116.sfr.fr Message-Id: <449D35B5-F7E8-4DA4-8932-5B40F52220FD@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:20:46 +0200 References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 18:20:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1110e697911234514069 Requires a Hardy patch IMHO Good luck in any case Ph Le 10 juin 10 =E0 18:11, Candace Lemarr a =E9crit : > We see an error with > "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 18:55:26 2010 Received: (qmail 5358 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 16:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 16:55:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89239E18089 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E764E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9323C34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCCC34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so87661wwb.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.141.200 with SMTP id n8mr501338wbu.200.1276188918503; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm1349724wbd.1.2010.06.10.09.55.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:55:16 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 18:55:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1118fe24641413256596 Nicely done, Jim. That lighting has come out well. Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 17:08, Jim Nichols wrote: > Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:00:13 2010 Received: (qmail 27923 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:00:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854A7E180BE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B54E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00135E4743A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C62E4743B for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5AH00mH017270 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:00:05 GMT Message-ID: <5D551B3106C6477F9BE3CAB9D011672C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:00:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:00:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c111a1d11536789618724 Thanks, Chris. Yes, the lighting was what sent me outside before breakfast. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee > Nicely done, Jim. That lighting has come out well. > > Chris > > On 10 Jun 2010, at 17:08, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over the >> Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:05:51 2010 Received: (qmail 19721 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:05:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B51E180D2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA42E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4A93618004 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463E93618006 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3010 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 17:03:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-0, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: my impressions of Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:05:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c111b6f248601234514069 Thanks for the tour. Quite a few familiar places I haven't seen for several years. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have finally finished processing my pictures from the trip to > Boston in late May, and my own favourites are here (although I have > also saved some for the PAW blog): > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/boston2010/ > > I hope it comes through that I really, really liked the place, on > both sides of the river :-) > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:22:56 2010 Received: (qmail 14197 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC1FE1808B for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7CCE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902F7E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13908E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@orange.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp04.online.nl (smtp04.online.nl [194.134.41.34]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AEFE0E4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WiliamPC (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:22:45 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:22:44 +0200 Message-ID: <006101cb08c1$8a0bca90$9e235fb0$@nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsIIWYYkcIECdi+TWWyscCQDOzaBQAoBzIA Content-Language: nl X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:22:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c111f70100411342116753 Great set of images, Bob, Wiliam -----Original Message----- From: Bob Whitmire [mailto:bwhitmire@roadrunner.com] Sent: donderdag 10 juni 2010 0:14 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website Thanx! New England, particularly this slice of it, is a target rich environment, but you have to be willing to fight the mosquitoes and black flies and deer flies for tripod space. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Interesting layout Bob. As always your images are great. I hadn't > seen > yours in a while anf they make me want to visit New England again. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.829 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2925 - datum van uitgifte: 06/09/10 08:35:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:48:43 2010 Received: (qmail 29995 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9FEE180C1 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B33E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD65AE47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA10DE4743C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so155411wyi.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.143.66 with SMTP id t2mr585639wbu.116.1276192116515; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm1658153wby.10.2010.06.10.10.48.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <8ACADCED-51AC-41AC-B5E0-863E24C31890@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:48:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8ACADCED-51AC-41AC-B5E0-863E24C31890@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: my impressions of Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:48:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11257b118552439112457 My thoughts precisely, Andrew. But I forgot to mention the "Banksy". Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 07:49, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I always like people candids best so 'On the T' is a great shot for > me. Love the balance. And the narrative content. > However, the composition you achieved for the memorial flags is > excellent. > And it's nice to see Banksy getting around a bit! (Cancelled). > Haven't seen that work before. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:52:10 2010 Received: (qmail 7905 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:52:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BCAE180B9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9086DE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B52834AC031 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E2334AC02D for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:54:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1126bd941234514069 Thanks for that little essay in pictures, Nathan. I have to describe "On the T" as an excellent shot, followed closely (for different reasons) by the Memorial Day flags. The former is a good approximation of the Decisive Moment, in my view, but the latter is a pleasing composition. Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 07:12, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have finally finished processing my pictures from the trip to Boston in late May, and my own favourites are here (although I have also saved some for the PAW blog): > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/boston2010/ > > I hope it comes through that I really, really liked the place, on both sides of the river :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 19:55:41 2010 Received: (qmail 25299 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 17:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 17:55:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E63E1808C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C88E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED3AE47439 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CBBE47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p9DqPA+16692M+eMIxlhFGv4owfx+Lo7Niv9nL2GcYg= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=9D2KfdkGo7F7Vj2FHpQA:9 a=yLRy9Dc7df_FmQdP_Jh5zdGVtlcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:46700] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D3/D3-03181-9C6211C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:54:17 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C10D67F.1090006@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:54:16 -0400 References: <4C1027D7.8090209@chucknorcutt.com> <089018A7-19BE-46DD-98E6-51704345CD4C@roadrunner.com> <4C10D67F.1090006@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 19:55:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11271d216656789618724 We've got lots of marshland, too. The big debate as I see it is this: How big do the rocks have to be before Mainers will stop calling it a beach? --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Their life cycle starts in the marsh. I forget you only have stones. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 20:17:26 2010 Received: (qmail 10562 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 18:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 18:17:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470A1E180B3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2710E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD86D34AC02E for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3F634AC02F for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=agWJDuH+neGiVZLgYVGv1Xi9JUj+L/rHoYACaXmgxfc= c=1 sm=0 a=jofLBIqnptMA:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=NfteK4HiAAAA:8 a=frhn-XpgAAAA:8 a=quKL6RvWAAAA:8 a=DlFCntQ8AAAA:8 a=g5nBYyb9AAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=PUWjMXm0Sq-YHCVjvqAA:9 a=onQrUa4jAvSNWC58KwVSH3UTtjQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:47497] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 4D/5E-11991-D2C211C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:17 +0000 Message-Id: <8A8BA075-62D6-4B47-95E5-B52A447CA1D4@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:17 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: my impressions of Boston X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 20:17:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c112c36112751612113968 Ah, familiar grounds. Nice job. I particularly like On The T, the Peace art outside Ben & Jerry's, and the Memorial Day flags on the Commons. All excellent captures. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have finally finished processing my pictures from the trip to > Boston in late May, and my own favourites are here (although I have > also saved some for the PAW blog): > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/boston2010/ > > I hope it comes through that I really, really liked the place, on > both sides of the river :-) > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 20:21:03 2010 Received: (qmail 29286 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 18:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 18:21:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92092E18093 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE9EE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEEAE47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2C8E4743B for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XfC6Q7VxQTLFt2Xgy8fJODRKa5ds1TyOAx2rEuiHTcs= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ci5CP-0Aa_xID-1qNekA:9 a=vSM8TypEmoEFX6xDRhUA:7 a=1z1rj-BOwTJLuLQZjVKnAA5mT08A:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LxSf-GeOWZJJjXnj:21 a=Xmkp2bUfIz72dI9m:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1664] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster2.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id AA/94-28060-98C211C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4C112C86.7010106@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:46 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <449D35B5-F7E8-4DA4-8932-5B40F52220FD@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 20:21:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c112d0f73571234514069 You boys are scaring me. :-/ I have found a few instances of people posting this same issue to forums online. Are we all sunk? Candace On 6/10/2010 11:52 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: A fine mess they've gotten her into... On 10/06/2010, philippe.amard [1] wrote: Requires a Hardy patch IMHO Good luck in any case Ph References 1. mailto:philippe.amard@sfr.fr -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 20:21:53 2010 Received: (qmail 25985 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C46E1809D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7937AE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BB1E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD57E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p9DqPA+16692M+eMIxlhFGv4owfx+Lo7Niv9nL2GcYg= c=1 sm=0 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:17 a=EwV4u6_GAAAA:8 a=9JxmGo3iAAAA:8 a=D2wUz4pmWBv9U5H4GToA:9 a=6F3_ENU_-QpUBWcBJCOzmNmqwiUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CSo0C6T7y7UA:10 a=pSswtWvMICLV2oYr:21 a=gem8gtxBM3Q5koh5:21 a=SchQXG63ZX3aURtQOiwwYQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.179.72.137 Received: from [76.179.72.137] ([76.179.72.137:46847] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 43/9C-03181-A3D211C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:21:46 +0000 Message-Id: <6D30CBD2-F725-45AD-B60B-E1ABC26E3C54@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:21:46 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Clearing skies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 20:21:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c112d41230261950411718 Y'know, I've read a lot of Great War histories, and they affect me far differently than studies of other wars. Not really sure why. I've read several studies of the battle of Verdun, and despite being dry texts by straight-laced historians, they caused me to weep. --Bob Whitmire www.bobwhitmire.com On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:07 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Noir+et+Blanc/Poilu+de+Metz-1000900.jpg.html > (Poilu i.e. Hairy/Bearded/Courageous is the self-given nickname of > French WWI Veterans) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:11:50 2010 Received: (qmail 11576 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:11:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7EBE180B3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E3EE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF0EE47439 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED71E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2114.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A473770000A6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (41.173.70-86.rev.gaoland.net [86.70.173.41]) by msfrf2114.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 750DE700009B for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:11:41 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100610191141479.750DE700009B@msfrf2114.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C112C86.7010106@bresnan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:11:41 +0200 References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <449D35B5-F7E8-4DA4-8932-5B40F52220FD@sfr.fr> <4C112C86.7010106@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open - Apologies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:11:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1138f6326821879814018 Apologies to the list, and more particularly to Candace; the joke's on = me. I know nothing about computers, and was trying to make a lousy joke on = Olylaurel.dll & Hardy ... Am I really sorry? :-( Best Philippe Le 10 juin 10 =E0 20:18, Candace Lemarr a =E9crit : > > You boys are scaring me. :-/ > I have found a few instances of people posting this same issue to > forums online. > Are we all sunk? > > Candace > > On 6/10/2010 11:52 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > A fine mess they've gotten her into... > > On 10/06/2010, philippe.amard [1] wrote: > > Requires a Hardy patch IMHO > Good luck in any case > Ph > > References > > 1. mailto:philippe.amard@sfr.fr > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:18:19 2010 Received: (qmail 24283 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:18:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78221E18089 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E4FE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42277E47438 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BF0E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jJbPGmXOB2KxvVtLsuaWKFentT1dBOIy/fHrGJab3OE= c=1 sm=0 a=3QL_8cdttTQA:10 a=hO-oPbc3tlwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=LUJfyEeAPOIifkD6kSMA:9 a=Bor9dzn5f6O2aXltsh8A:7 a=wxOjDU6cxEKFzFRl_9JPo41-WJQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5dhjKTSfpC3H_2sy:21 a=mb5ei3rOX0FUktcg:21 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1891] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 37/DE-15311-07A311C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4C113A52.7090207@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:17:38 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <449D35B5-F7E8-4DA4-8932-5B40F52220FD@sfr.fr> <4C112C86.7010106@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open - Apologies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:18:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c113a7b46142517112723 Oh! LOL, that IS funny. And it went right over my head. Even funnier because that's pretty much along the lines of a reply I might typically make. :-) Sorry I missed it the first time. You have no need to apologize. Candace On 6/10/2010 1:11 PM, philippe.amard wrote: Apologies to the list, and more particularly to Candace; the joke's on me. I know nothing about computers, and was trying to make a lousy joke on Olylaurel.dll & Hardy ... Am I really sorry? :-( Best Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:30:10 2010 Received: (qmail 12117 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:30:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF842E18094 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F0AE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3051E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E34E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100610192955.LSHG23683.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:29:55 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id UKlD1e006233qdw02KlD8a; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:45:13 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/xTQmI1vQmH+Sb4jwMSBP/TSRaBd9B6SK/VG2ZWbm0= c=1 sm=1 a=3QL_8cdttTQA:10 a=hO-oPbc3tlwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=XwBXnXu1tL3p4EBr3B8A:9 a=ZFXdBFZg7zmKL-dyo_8A:7 a=HoX-aZ58kVmY0K4tCLnFNHmXXWgA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=_fHmdc2rX7sqCzA3:21 a=4txKLaAr2uM1m5bl:21 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <449D35B5-F7E8-4DA4-8932-5B40F52220FD@sfr.fr><4C112C86.7010106@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:29:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open - Apologies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:30:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c113d4271631073733319 None needed. Got it, after the old, long unused neurons finally fired. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- = From: "philippe.amard" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open - Apologies Apologies to the list, and more particularly to Candace; the joke's on me. I know nothing about computers, and was trying to make a lousy joke on Olylaurel.dll & Hardy ... Am I really sorry? :-( Best Philippe Le 10 juin 10 =E0 20:18, Candace Lemarr a =E9crit : > > You boys are scaring me. :-/ > I have found a few instances of people posting this same issue to > forums online. > Are we all sunk? > > Candace > > On 6/10/2010 11:52 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > A fine mess they've gotten her into... > > On 10/06/2010, philippe.amard [1] wrote: > > Requires a Hardy patch IMHO > Good luck in any case > Ph > > References > > 1. mailto:philippe.amard@sfr.fr > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2929 - Release Date: 06/10/10 = 06:35:00 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:32:31 2010 Received: (qmail 11630 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:32:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9191DE180A6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06FDE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82BE34AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E614C34AC03C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-27-133-213.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.27.133.213]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 620 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:32:04 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] IMG: The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:32:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c113dcf74012013633067 The gap between rich and poor have never been - even in our troubled past here in South Africa - been as great as it is now. I generally don't like photographing unfortunate people, and tried here not to focus as much on the sitting man, as on the contrast of him and the scene behind him. http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/161/d/5/The_Gap_by_philosomatographer.jpg (OM-1, 90mm at f/2.0, Ilford FP4+, 8x10in analogue print) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:42:06 2010 Received: (qmail 4655 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:42:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A50E1809D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632C3E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6019EE47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8596E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8957 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 19:41:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:42:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11400e288501950411718 She looks big enough to bite your lens off if you were to get too close. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over > the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:43:49 2010 Received: (qmail 25172 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:43:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3FE180AB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEF7E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980023618007 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82FD3708005 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10338 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Chuck Norcutt Candace Lemarr wrote: > Some info in case anyone is interested: > After following Chuck's directions, the file downloads were the same, > no differences. > I have installed and uninstalled Olympus Viewer 2 a total of 8 times > now, all to no avail. > I have emailed back and forth with Olympus and followed their > recommendations, still no go. > I have just spent 45 minutes on the phone with Olympus Tech support and > a very nice gentleman named Stanley took over my computer remotely and > he couldn't get Olympus Viewer 2 to run, either. We see an error with > "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. So, > he will research this and get back to me as soon as possible. I am > hoping very much that he can find a solution. > > Candace > > On 6/2/2010 2:08 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > > I am having great difficulty with trying to download > Olympus Viewer. > Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with > Firefox, it > won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 > twice, turned > off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing > it, and > rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera > comes up, and > then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus > Viewer > encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the > message to > Microsoft does nothing, of course. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:46:26 2010 Received: (qmail 16486 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54FCE18084 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3071E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B58E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF64BE47439 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21958 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 19:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 10 Jun 2010 19:45:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:45:17 +0200 Message-Id: References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:46:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c114112130469730998309 I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you want this software on your computer in the first place? Since I switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and without exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is all you need. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > Some info in case anyone is interested: > After following Chuck's directions, the file downloads were the same, > no differences. > I have installed and uninstalled Olympus Viewer 2 a total of 8 times > now, all to no avail. > I have emailed back and forth with Olympus and followed their > recommendations, still no go. > I have just spent 45 minutes on the phone with Olympus Tech support and > a very nice gentleman named Stanley took over my computer remotely and > he couldn't get Olympus Viewer 2 to run, either. We see an error with > "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. So, > he will research this and get back to me as soon as possible. I am > hoping very much that he can find a solution. > > Candace > > On 6/2/2010 2:08 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > > I am having great difficulty with trying to download > Olympus Viewer. > Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with > Firefox, it > won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with IE 8 > twice, turned > off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then installing > it, and > rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with the camera > comes up, and > then the windows pop up error box comes up and says Olympus > Viewer > encountered a problem and needs to close. Sending the > message to > Microsoft does nothing, of course. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:46:26 2010 Received: (qmail 26367 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B522E180A1 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1508AE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D84E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C6AE4743F for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12050 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 19:46:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:46:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11411271861950411718 Well, if those are sand grains out there I wouldn't want to have kidney stones in Maine! Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > We've got lots of marshland, too. The big debate as I see it is this: > How big do the rocks have to be before Mainers will stop calling it a > beach? > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bobwhitmire.com > > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Their life cycle starts in the marsh. I forget you only have stones. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:53:23 2010 Received: (qmail 26268 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:53:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E60FE180B4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314F8E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282C8E47439 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8C0E47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17377 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 19:53:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:53:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1142b3125761413256596 But there are those on this list who insist that only the Oly software makes the correct colors from an Oly raw file. But I haven't a clue about that. I only know that if the Canon software did a better conversion than ACR I still wouldn't use it because the interface sucks in comparison. (and it's probably better than Oly if the Oly camera user interface and user's manual is any indication) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you > want this software on your computer in the first place? Since I > switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from > Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and without > exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is > all you need. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: > http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > >> Some info in case anyone is interested: After following Chuck's >> directions, the file downloads were the same, no differences. I >> have installed and uninstalled Olympus Viewer 2 a total of 8 times >> now, all to no avail. I have emailed back and forth with Olympus >> and followed their recommendations, still no go. I have just spent >> 45 minutes on the phone with Olympus Tech support and a very nice >> gentleman named Stanley took over my computer remotely and he >> couldn't get Olympus Viewer 2 to run, either. We see an error with >> "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. >> So, he will research this and get back to me as soon as possible. I >> am hoping very much that he can find a solution. >> >> Candace >> >> On 6/2/2010 2:08 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: >> >> I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus >> Viewer. Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with >> Firefox, it won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with >> IE 8 twice, turned off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then >> installing it, and rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with >> the camera comes up, and then the windows pop up error box comes up >> and says Olympus Viewer encountered a problem and needs to close. >> Sending the message to Microsoft does nothing, of course. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 21:55:45 2010 Received: (qmail 17462 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 19:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 19:55:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B453E1809C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C3E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43715E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EDCE47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so224331wwb.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.132.134 with SMTP id b6mr754718wbt.80.1276199391484; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm2418013wbc.14.2010.06.10.12.49.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:49:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <75DF631D-E611-4A93-B095-385469CB8F2C@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 21:55:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11434114831612113968 The gap between rich and poor is probably increasing in the UK as well, Dawid, but perhaps not at the same rate or from the same starting point. Thanks for the photo. Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 20:32, Dawid Loubser wrote: > The gap between rich and poor have never been - even in our troubled > past here in > South Africa - been as great as it is now. I generally don't like > photographing > unfortunate people, and tried here not to focus as much on the sitting > man, as > on the contrast of him and the scene behind him. > > http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/161/d/5/The_Gap_by_philosomatographer.jpg > (OM-1, 90mm at f/2.0, Ilford FP4+, 8x10in analogue print) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:01:57 2010 Received: (qmail 6925 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:01:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ADEE18090 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374BBE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD4334AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F393234AC02E for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5AK1hGf030575 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:01:48 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C114006.6000809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:01:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1144b520644877110844 Thanks for looking, Chuck. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee > She looks big enough to bite your lens off if you were to get too close. > :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over >> the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:05:46 2010 Received: (qmail 458 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5A2E180B5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0C0E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A08AE47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F026E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XfC6Q7VxQTLFt2Xgy8fJODRKa5ds1TyOAx2rEuiHTcs= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=dUH1ixeHzvM_VWhUsrUA:9 a=j9KzGz-fqRy3s8hgVQ4A:7 a=hhN2-TU4CDDXeEqyKSKNGdKOVroA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1957] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster2.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id C4/3A-28060-495411C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4C11458C.80809@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:05:32 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11406B.6090007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C11406B.6090007@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:05:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11459a59501234514069 Hi Chuck, my reply to you about this last week must not have gone through. I am running SP3, I typed SP2 in error in my original post. Candace On 6/10/2010 1:43 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: Did you upgrade to SP3? Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:12:56 2010 Received: (qmail 3025 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E44CE180A2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E751AE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3B2E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0BCE47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jJbPGmXOB2KxvVtLsuaWKFentT1dBOIy/fHrGJab3OE= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NfteK4HiAAAA:8 a=frhn-XpgAAAA:8 a=quKL6RvWAAAA:8 a=DlFCntQ8AAAA:8 a=g5nBYyb9AAAA:8 a=GNwD03ycc-CzwXxUyBIA:9 a=N0_aHCjZoSnQsB7W9W0A:7 a=yc7XyKAnqwIpvc_vmQHyvd7OmiwA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1967] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 2C/E1-15311-E37411C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:12:42 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:12:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c114748326821879814018 Hi Nathan, I can appreciate your viewpoint. We did discuss this in depth quite some time back when I couldn't get any RAW software to render colors accurately or well from my E-30 ORFs. Master 2 does a fine job with that part, but is sorely lacking in many other ways, making it very labor intensive and inconvenient to use. ACR has great problems with highlight recovery and accurate colors from the E-30, as did Lightroom (in my opinion), and I greatly dislike Silkypix. So....I find myself wishing Olympus provided a better ORF developing program. I don't have a problem using ACR for the E-300, E-330, or E-510. The E-30 seems to be an entirely different beast. I have not, however, tried ACDSee with the E-30. I don't know if I could download a trial version of their latest to see, as I have done so in the past and don't know if they would allow it again. Same for Bibble. Candace On 6/10/2010 1:45 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you want this sof tware on your computer in the first place? Since I switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and pro bably others, and without exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee o r some such is all you need. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain [1]http://www.frozenlight.eu [2]http://www.greatpix.eu [3]http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: [4]http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: [5]http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: [6]http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog References 1. http://www.frozenlight.eu/ 2. http://www.greatpix.eu/ 3. http://www.nathanfoto.com/ 4. http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 5. http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 6. http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:20:14 2010 Received: (qmail 26122 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:20:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0868E180A7 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7F3E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A830E34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553A434AC02F for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100610202004.MOGZ18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:20:04 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ULbP1e00U233qdw02LbPv2; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:35:23 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/xTQmI1vQmH+Sb4jwMSBP/TSRaBd9B6SK/VG2ZWbm0= c=1 sm=1 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=qrqso71NAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=NfteK4HiAAAA:8 a=frhn-XpgAAAA:8 a=quKL6RvWAAAA:8 a=DlFCntQ8AAAA:8 a=g5nBYyb9AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Xg71ijMoviLK1TaJDNsA:9 a=J3gzpPAqewss4I5WNGMA:7 a=asTqxMrN3030j3p5HSW3rufnCYIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_x6GTltEcL4A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:19:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:20:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1148fe146392439112457 Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't try to make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? Although I'm not a fan of lightroom, I do like Leica's adoption of the DNG format. I will probably be adding Capture one soon. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Lemarr" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open > Hi Nathan, > I can appreciate your viewpoint. We did discuss this in depth quite > some time back when I couldn't get any RAW software to render colors > accurately or well from my E-30 ORFs. Master 2 does a fine job with > that part, but is sorely lacking in many other ways, making it very > labor intensive and inconvenient to use. ACR has great problems with > highlight recovery and accurate colors from the E-30, as did Lightroom > (in my opinion), and I greatly dislike Silkypix. So....I find myself > wishing Olympus provided a better ORF developing program. > I don't have a problem using ACR for the E-300, E-330, or E-510. The > E-30 seems to be an entirely different beast. > I have not, however, tried ACDSee with the E-30. I don't know if I > could download a trial version of their latest to see, as I have done > so in the past and don't know if they would allow it again. Same for > Bibble. > > Candace > > On 6/10/2010 1:45 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you want > this sof > tware on your computer in the first place? Since I switched to digital in > 2004, > I have received programs like this from Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic > and pro > bably others, and without exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or > ACDSee o > r some such is all you need. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > [1]http://www.frozenlight.eu > [2]http://www.greatpix.eu > [3]http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: [4]http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: [5]http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: [6]http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > References > > 1. http://www.frozenlight.eu/ > 2. http://www.greatpix.eu/ > 3. http://www.nathanfoto.com/ > 4. http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > 5. http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > 6. http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2929 - Release Date: 06/10/10 06:35:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:27:52 2010 Received: (qmail 3188 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:27:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC07E180AA for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DDDE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3712B34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DB534AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XfC6Q7VxQTLFt2Xgy8fJODRKa5ds1TyOAx2rEuiHTcs= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=tp0N0pvHWOaL5i_5lZQA:9 a=KZWCpJk6fWc2AXebUI4A:7 a=nU0R_NIKJSahcYlqAaPUxZAeQAsA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:2009] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster2.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id C7/AB-28060-1CA411C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:27:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:27:44 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:27:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c114ac8224941234514069 Agreed, and also...why do I have to completely upgrade to CS4 or CS5 to get the version of ACR that supports the E-30 ORFs? As is I have to convert the E-30 ORFS to DNG to use the version of ACR I have, and E-30 ORFs don't convert fabulously well to DNG and then the colors are simply not like the Oly colors...making it all a big jumbled mess. I'm sure some of you will remember the strange red and blue hash marks all over the highlights when my E-30 ORFs were converted to dng and then processed with ACR. In that light it's easier to shoot jpeg, but you better not need to fiddle with the jpeg files too much, or there will be other consequences to pay. I know many others feel the same way about Adobe and their forced upgrades...so I don't intend to go off on that, but it is maddening when one gets a new camera only to find there isn't super fabulous software to develop the RAW files with. And my E-30 is hardly "new" anymore. Candace On 6/10/2010 2:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't try to make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? Although I'm not a fan of lightroom, I do like Leica's adoption of the DNG format. I will probably be adding Capture one soon. Bill Pearce - -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:31:36 2010 Received: (qmail 8484 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:31:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32FCE1809A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D460E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3F034AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E42734AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2204.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CF1E97000094 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (41.173.70-86.rev.gaoland.net [86.70.173.41]) by msfrf2204.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B32F3700008D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:31:28 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100610203128734.B32F3700008D@msfrf2204.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:31:28 +0200 References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:31:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c114ba8117941950411718 ditto about LR Alice's E 400, 510 and E 620, my son's G1 and my own L1 all have been = processed with LR. It's easy, it's fast, it is what I had been waiting = for. Except for perspective correction. Philippe who has no stakes in the company. Le 10 juin 10 =E0 21:45, Nathan Wajsman a =E9crit : > > : why do you want this software on your computer in the first place? = > Since I switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like = > this from Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and = > without exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some = > such is all you need. > > Nathan NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 22:37:19 2010 Received: (qmail 12699 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 20:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:37:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033AFE180AA for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A4E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E93E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0083E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100610203713.HPOO7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:37:13 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.16.95]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id ULsa1e004233qdw02Lsaot; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:52:34 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=vNIbPUDLTeBT26R5MEyV/mzVE5nT716WF7Yxtso9zlQ= c=1 sm=1 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:17 a=9aWDTNo7tTHn8kPFVvoA:9 a=K_UwjsL7AmEeV9May9OFSLXoQMAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wynl0TslOTyJ6e9UPVnpqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <93EF8E3DC4074107B2FC8313056919C8@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 22:37:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c114cff195951612113968 ...why do I have to completely upgrade to CS4 or CS5 to > get the version of ACR that supports the E-30 ORFs? Oh, that part is easy. Adobe needs the money to pay fantastic bonouses to the execs. Bill pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:00:08 2010 Received: (qmail 21411 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:00:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED00E180A0 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2947FE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207B9E47436 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A751CE47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3827 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jun 2010 20:59:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:00:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c115258268862517112723 No, just my poor memory. I remember now. Chuck Norcutt Candace Lemarr wrote: > Hi Chuck, my reply to you about this last week must not have gone > through. I am running SP3, I typed SP2 in error in my original post. > > Candace > > On 6/10/2010 1:43 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Did you upgrade to SP3? > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:17:31 2010 Received: (qmail 1457 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:17:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7D2E180AA for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22571E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2081434AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921434AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17947 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 21:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:17:22 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:17:21 +1000 References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:17:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11566b109669730998309 Everything. The roadhouses in Western Australia can be up to 250km apart and there is NOTHING in between. I remember seeing a side road that said something like 'Potter Station', 120km. That's a long hard dirt road to reach the 'farm'. Typically they'll have a motel, cafe, service station, general store, camping area, accommodation for staff and so on as they service a small area. People live out there but they tend to be hiding from something or someone - or they're a bit strange. Or both. This is a land where the trucks drag five or six trailers and the roadkill is a dead steer by the roadside. In fact, you don't drive at night as hitting a big animal on the road can kill you. They'll hose anything down and there isn't a thing that they haven't seen. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/06/2010, at 10:58 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But, do Aussie road rest stops provide free hose down stations? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:26:26 2010 Received: (qmail 28184 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:26:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9EAE1809E for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58839E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F5134AC028 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:26:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB1334AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24367 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 21:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:26:19 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:26:18 +1000 References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:26:26 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c115882190899752976205 In order to upgrade the firmware? AFAIK, Oly is the only manufacturer that forces you to connect your camera to the 'pooter and use their software to upgrade. Annoying and the only reason I have it. At least they do have the upgrade software now instead. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/06/2010, at 5:45 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you > want this software on your computer in the first place? Since I > switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from > Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and without > exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is > all you need. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:32:27 2010 Received: (qmail 14210 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:32:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B1FE180AD for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA30816E0002 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CDDE47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A6DE47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30090 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 21:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:32:18 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:32:17 +1000 References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:32:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1159eb310259752976205 The workarounds I've used for that is to use Lightroom or PS Elements instead. LR upgrade to version three is only $99 here. Surprised you're having trouble with LR and highlights - I know wedding photogs here who use it exclusively - they don't bother to go to PS. But then they aren't using E-30's of course . Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/06/2010, at 6:27 AM, Candace Lemarr wrote: > Agreed, and also...why do I have to completely upgrade to CS4 or > CS5 to > get the version of ACR that supports the E-30 ORFs? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:41:52 2010 Received: (qmail 9053 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F70E180AB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3B0E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251D934AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A834AC028 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jJbPGmXOB2KxvVtLsuaWKFentT1dBOIy/fHrGJab3OE= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ur40MZUyAAAA:8 a=Af_vSEN58u0_MwtmetMA:9 a=REgzxaWWuKQsr8Ezal0A:7 a=zkAlLEgSAOgbNdDaHwn_j-WZ6y8A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:2123] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 4E/27-15311-91C511C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4C115C13.2040608@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:41:39 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:41:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c115c2059191234514069 Tried that with using PSE8 and that version of ACR which is when I shared with the list the crazy hash marks from either route of converting to dng then using ACR or using ACR directly with the E30 ORFs. Wasn't having troubles with LR and highlights, but rather with inaccurate colors as compared to Olympus jpeg colors or ORFs developed with Olympus Master. Played around with LR beta 3 for quite some time and never could get it to reproduce the E30 colors as well. Candace On 6/10/2010 3:32 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: The workarounds I've used for that is to use Lightroom or PS Elements instead. LR upgrade to version three is only $99 here. Surprised you're having trouble with LR and highlights - I know wedding photogs here who use it exclusively - they don't bother to go to PS. But then they aren't using E-30's of course . Andrew Fildes [1]afildes@people.net.au References 1. mailto:afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:50:21 2010 Received: (qmail 12547 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:50:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7D1E180AB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C50C16E0002 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2479CE47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2C0E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so414971iwn.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.195 with SMTP id q3mr831705ibd.14.1276206610521; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C115C13.2040608@bresnan.net> References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> <4C115C13.2040608@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:50:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Y_xCty_a-Ii1tcZKNYWES2bL2hs Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:50:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c115e1d133256107113666 I think it might be time for you to give Capture One a serrious looksie-do. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jun 10 23:54:56 2010 Received: (qmail 32698 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 21:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 21:54:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E394DE180A6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642B4E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0D334AC02E for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2167634AC029 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (md@dementia.org whitelisted) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe0030ab06f16e-cm000f9fa7a820.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([99.224.154.42] helo=dapoz.ca) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1OMpi5-0002j1-4w for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:54:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (practivate.adobe.com [127.0.0.1]) by dapoz.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85797AE608DB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 99.224.154.42 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/WodLt5pfKMbHGbwPO0v5v Received: from dapoz.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arctic.dapoz.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3ndubSRom79 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arctic.dapoz.ca (arctic.dapoz.ca [10.0.0.2]) by dapoz.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1582CAE608BE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--600540286 From: Mark Dapoz X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org> References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jun 10 23:54:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c115f30103816107113666 --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 10-Jun-10, at 4:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't = try to=20 > make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? >=20 > Although I'm not a fan of lightroom, I do like Leica's adoption of the = DNG=20 > format. I will probably be adding Capture one soon. I just got this in my email from Phase One. For anyone interested in = Capture One, they're offering 50% off the purchase or upgrade of the = basic version until June 18: Prices: Capture One 5 Summer Offer=20 Capture One 5=20 Euro 49.50 / USD 64.50=20 Upgrade from Capture One 4 to Capture One 5=20 Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50=20 Upgrade from Capture One 3 to Capture One 5=20 Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50 --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=pixel.gif Content-Type: image/gif; name="pixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=pixel.gif Content-Type: image/gif; name="pixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Use Voucher Code: CO5OFFER --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=pixel.gif Content-Type: image/gif; name="pixel.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The offer is only valid for the basic version of Capture One 5 and = expires 18th June 2010. I've been using Capture One for years to process my Oly files, it seems = to do a reasonable job of it. -mark= --Apple-Mail-14--600540286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ --Apple-Mail-14--600540286-- From nilsf Fri Jun 11 00:01:31 2010 Received: (qmail 11341 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 22:01:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE1FE1806F for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E44EE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BE634AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42AF34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Scan: no X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jJbPGmXOB2KxvVtLsuaWKFentT1dBOIy/fHrGJab3OE= c=1 sm=0 a=-jE_SRfHbikA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=JcKQ8Ni__5OONLWR1ZwA:9 a=BuxrlStRcPZLEpiA3roA:7 a=3Zd8PDNC0B1F2bj_2Zk_gnUd58QA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:2149] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 7C/58-15311-2B0611C4; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:01:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4C1160AE.6060407@bresnan.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:01:18 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> <4C115C13.2040608@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 00:01:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1160bb266561413256596 Thank you to Mark for the discount info, I will follow your recommendation and look into Capture One, AG. Thank you both. Candace On 6/10/2010 3:50 PM, Ken Norton wrote: I think it might be time for you to give Capture One a serrious looksie-do. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 01:16:13 2010 Received: (qmail 31674 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 23:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 23:16:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F72E180A8 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F8BE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F85E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C602EE47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca (mta01.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.8]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-12.01 64bit (built Oct 15 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3T00IHXNAXRB12@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:16:09 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAEoPEUwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACIeJZxviEOhQoEhwo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,400,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="762748826" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:16:03 -0300 Message-id: <3FE64F3CA9014ECBBCF3FB9DFB7D25B3@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10DE89.4000705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:16:04 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7277 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 01:16:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11723d142736789618724 How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No >>> VAT >>> here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state >>> taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 01:47:51 2010 Received: (qmail 415 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E23E180B9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390EEE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3068934AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FE834AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3T009AUOSMNU62@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:48:22 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAI8WEUwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACIeJZxvn4OhQoEhwo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,400,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="228359819" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:47:44 -0300 Message-id: <39FB020795B64A9983C6A0664D601E46@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:47:44 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7277 Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 01:47:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1179a7187727801554290 no, there are usually many broads in the Broards all singularly enjoying themselves in laid back style! Can't say I saw that many on my last visit to Yellowstone NP but that was way back in 1981 or so. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > Is the Norfolk Broads not a single entity such as Yellowstone National > Park? > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:52 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > > 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual > lakes. :-) > Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely > for many reasons. > 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in >> Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as >> being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5186 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 01:58:27 2010 Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2010 23:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 23:58:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B104E180AC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2824E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC10E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF40E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so409603gyg.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.173.42 with SMTP id v42mr2132124ybe.244.1276214300395; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwbeb26398ea43 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm328266ywh.11.2010.06.10.16.58.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com><561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net><37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> <39FB020795B64A9983C6A0664D601E46@hudson> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsI91cDtnHv6CDKRTyz9r5t2v31MQAARN8g In-Reply-To: <39FB020795B64A9983C6A0664D601E46@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 01:58:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c117c2370232439112457 Picture the American GI writing home to mom telling how he spent many happy afternoons on the Norfolk broads.... -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: 11 June 2010 00:48 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... no, there are usually many broads in the Broards all singularly enjoying themselves in laid back style! Can't say I saw that many on my last visit to Yellowstone NP but that was way back in 1981 or so. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > Is the Norfolk Broads not a single entity such as Yellowstone National > Park? > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Sent: 09 June 2010 23:52 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > > 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual > lakes. :-) > Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely > for many reasons. > 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in >> Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as >> being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5186 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 02:23:03 2010 Received: (qmail 1434 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 00:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 00:23:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664E7E180B4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658E8E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5608634AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63FB34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17282 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 00:22:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 00:22:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:22:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 02:23:03 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1181e779601744846740 Well, it's clear that you don't have lovebugs then. If you had to go 250km to the next station you'd never be able to do it through a lovebug swarm. Even 50km would be a tough slog as the windshied and headlights would be totally plastered over and you wouldn't be able to see to drive. But lovebugs originated in Central America and have spread around the states surrounding the Gulf of Mexico. Wet places. Not too much danger of spreading to Western Australia. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Everything. The roadhouses in Western Australia can be up to 250km > apart and there is NOTHING in between. I remember seeing a side road > that said something like 'Potter Station', 120km. That's a long hard > dirt road to reach the 'farm'. > Typically they'll have a motel, cafe, service station, general store, > camping area, accommodation for staff and so on as they service a > small area. People live out there but they tend to be hiding from > something or someone - or they're a bit strange. Or both. This is a > land where the trucks drag five or six trailers and the roadkill is a > dead steer by the roadside. In fact, you don't drive at night as > hitting a big animal on the road can kill you. > They'll hose anything down and there isn't a thing that they haven't > seen. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/06/2010, at 10:58 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> But, do Aussie road rest stops provide free hose down stations? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 02:27:02 2010 Received: (qmail 4508 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 00:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 00:27:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C850E18091 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52E6E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3634AC029 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F3434AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19048 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 00:26:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 02:27:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1182d6181781357919056 I used to use Capture 1 before I got PhotoShop and ACR. I really liked it. But that's before I came to know and love ACR as a superior tool. But I don't know what has been happening with ACR for the last 3 or 4 years. I'm sure they haven't been standing still. Chuck Norcutt Mark Dapoz wrote: > On 10-Jun-10, at 4:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't try to >> make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? >> >> Although I'm not a fan of lightroom, I do like Leica's adoption of the DNG >> format. I will probably be adding Capture one soon. > > I just got this in my email from Phase One. For anyone interested in Capture One, they're offering 50% off the purchase or upgrade of the basic version until June 18: > > Prices: Capture One 5 Summer Offer > > Capture One 5 > Euro 49.50 / USD 64.50 > > Upgrade from Capture One 4 to Capture One 5 > Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50 > > Upgrade from Capture One 3 to Capture One 5 > Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 02:28:44 2010 Received: (qmail 13835 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DBBE180AC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A76E2410D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F5734AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B4634AC02A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3T003WYQSZQZV1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:31:47 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAMMeEUwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACIeJZxvyAOhQoEhwo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,400,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="811504083" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:26:52 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <36d5d.70491f5e.39413d22@aol.com> <561E68FE-CA4E-486C-9285-CB92DC5D3BEE@threeshoes.net> <37690376-EF3D-4F3A-806E-08703BF4EC8F@people.net.au> <39FB020795B64A9983C6A0664D601E46@hudson> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:26:53 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7277 Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 02:28:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11833c208976789618724 not much lost on you ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "deebel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > Picture the American GI writing home to mom telling how he spent many > happy > afternoons on the Norfolk broads.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: 11 June 2010 00:48 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > > no, there are usually many broads in the Broards all singularly enjoying > themselves in laid back style! Can't say I saw that many on my last visit > to > > Yellowstone NP but that was way back in 1981 or so. > > jh > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "deebel" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... > > >> Is the Norfolk Broads not a single entity such as Yellowstone National >> Park? >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] >> Sent: 09 June 2010 23:52 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] perhaps this needs translation... >> >> 'Are' a system surely? They are regarded as multiple individual >> lakes. :-) >> Their origin is from peat cutting, I once read but thought it unlikely >> for many reasons. >> 'Broad waters', as opposed to rivers. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 10/06/2010, at 6:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> The Norfolk Broads is a system of inland waterways and lakes in >>> Norfolk, East Anglia. It's a cluster of nature reserves as well as >>> being a place of beauty, albeit rather flat. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5186 (20100610) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 02:30:28 2010 Received: (qmail 32086 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 00:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 00:30:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF03E180A1 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BE9E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE25FE4B23C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C051E4B23D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20653 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 00:29:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 00:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4C11837C.6040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:29:48 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10DE89.4000705@chucknorcutt.com> <3FE64F3CA9014ECBBCF3FB9DFB7D25B3@hudson> In-Reply-To: <3FE64F3CA9014ECBBCF3FB9DFB7D25B3@hudson> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100610-1, 06/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 02:30:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1183a4320499752976205 Domicile was a term too legal. I live in both New York and Florida at different times of the year. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > >> B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No >>>> VAT >>>> here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state >>>> taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 03:17:55 2010 Received: (qmail 3851 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 01:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 01:17:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69D4E180AC for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C618E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20863E47435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AC3E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3T00102T5V1FK1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:22:43 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4EAB8sEUwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACIeJZxvm0OhQoEhwo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,400,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="811528013" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:17:36 -0300 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> <4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10DE89.4000705@chucknorcutt.com> <3FE64F3CA9014ECBBCF3FB9DFB7D25B3@hudson> <4C11837C.6040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:17:36 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7277 Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 03:17:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c118ec3319461879814018 but that's only part time residence in two places. You could be domiciled in Canada nevertheless ! [Nice place .... no oil slicks and no BP gas stations :-) ] jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > Domicile was a term too legal. I live in both New York and Florida at > different times of the year. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? >> >> jh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >> >> >>> B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. >>> :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>>> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >>>> Andrew Fildes >>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> >>>>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. No >>>>> VAT >>>>> here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have to pay state >>>>> taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 04:21:21 2010 Received: (qmail 4108 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 02:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 02:21:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE24E180C3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B62E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0BCE47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B060E47437 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o5B2L4fV004155 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:21:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9F8C886F74C244FF9644698FA54CEFF6@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C1142AB.1080301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:20:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 04:21:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c119da1252659752976205 That's exactly what I found, both Olympus and Canon DPP render more pleasing/accurate color than ACR. For an image, color is the key not the process, I don't mind the poor interface or what, only the results count. At the mean time I don't found any problem with DPP's interface but there are lots of problem with Olympus Master 2 though. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > But there are those on this list who insist that only the Oly software > makes the correct colors from an Oly raw file. But I haven't a clue > about that. I only know that if the Canon software did a better > conversion than ACR I still wouldn't use it because the interface sucks > in comparison. (and it's probably better than Oly if the Oly camera > user interface and user's manual is any indication) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you >> want this software on your computer in the first place? Since I >> switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from >> Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and without >> exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is >> all you need. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 04:48:22 2010 Received: (qmail 17486 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A18AE180BF for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BDAE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E4F34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FFB34AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o5B2mGI4013234 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:48:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:48:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 04:48:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11a3f6132993900897491 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Pearce" > Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't try to > make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? > It is because they know more about photography not the software house, especially they know their own cameras much better. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 05:13:34 2010 Received: (qmail 1193 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 03:13:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FE5E1808C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959FFE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5716534AC028 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2553B34AC027 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.806) for ; 11 Jun 2010 13:13:23 +1000 Message-ID: <100.00b20c00d2a9114c.003@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:13:22 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 05:13:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11a9de10771560218263 Hi Chuck, > Well, it's clear that you don't have lovebugs then. If you had to go > 250km to the next station you'd never be able to do it through a lovebug > swarm. Even 50km would be a tough slog as the windshied and headlights > would be totally plastered over and you wouldn't be able to see to > drive. But lovebugs originated in Central America and have spread > around the states surrounding the Gulf of Mexico. Wet places. Not too > much danger of spreading to Western Australia. :-) We do had locus's in WA, those with all the other insects is why we use flywire over the air intakes and the radiators on cars and trucks here. When it gets to bad on the windscreens you use newspaper to scrap and clean so you can see out again. There are also wire mesh windscreen protectors, though I never bothered with them myself. I also suspect they might be illegal now. Anyone that has done bush or driving though central WA normally always packs a large container of water, a towel, toilet paper, geo pick, shovel, newspapers, and a trowel. Cheers Ian Manners (House packed up (Victoria, Australia) and looking at new abodes in Perth, Western Australia) I'm kinda tired. I was up all night trying to round off infinity. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 06:52:57 2010 Received: (qmail 12921 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 04:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 04:52:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31255E180AA for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54ED6E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2BFE47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0299E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so59254qyk.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.78.142 with SMTP id l14mr260200qak.174.1276231968175; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.214.206 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:52:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:52:28 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 06:52:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11c129104851560218263 Bob, I love the renovations. Very stylish, I like the navigation, and it promotes the content well. Photos...well, the opening photo (Cuckold's Light), White on White II, Orange, Reflected Light (I've mentioned that one before, I think), Bell House Reflection, Bench at Pemaquid, are all photos outstanding for me amongst a lot of inspirational stuff. This is not to say that other pictures aren't equally as "good", but just that these hit me personally right in my "Wow!" gland. That Cuckold's Light though...it's just totally beautiful. One of the finest I've seen. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 07:37:17 2010 Received: (qmail 5648 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD15E1809D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00009E240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85E434AC026 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAF934AC025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so497423wwb.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.131 with SMTP id j3mr1330371wbt.28.1276234630015; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y31sm6302319wby.4.2010.06.10.22.37.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:37:08 +0100 Message-Id: <91EAB1CE-3BF9-49C6-A8A2-2553842317BB@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 07:37:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11cb8d308252013633067 I agree, Marc. The overall composition is great, but the detail, colouring and lighting on the lighthouse and island are just wonderful. Chris On 11 Jun 2010, at 05:52, Marc Lawrence wrote: > That Cuckold's Light though...it's just totally beautiful. One of the > finest I've seen. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 08:48:30 2010 Received: (qmail 16379 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADCBE18092 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3446DE240E5 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C78E47434 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874A9E47427 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so526453wwb.20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.143.206 with SMTP id w14mr1315143wbu.219.1276238901733; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u36sm6746463wbv.12.2010.06.10.23.48.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <49AF9054-680D-4F23-AB03-6666ADCC881F@millennics.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:48:19 +0100 Message-Id: <3BA4EC32-1F66-4097-98A9-8728E4F18141@threeshoes.net> References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <49AF9054-680D-4F23-AB03-6666ADCC881F@millennics.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 42: anonymity lifted and replaced the picture of entry #5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 08:48:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11dc3e184941234514069 Thanks, Olafo! I enjoyed that tour of different ideas and subjects. Chris On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Olaf Greve wrote: > > I have just lifted the anonymity period of TOPE 42, and per the > request of the photographer of entry nr. 5 (i.e. Brian Swale) I > replaced his entry with one in which the main subject appears nicer. I > agree, this picture is better, so you made a good call in asking for > the substitution. :) > > Once again, go check out the good stuff at the gallery! > > Cheers! > Olafo > > Main page: > http://www.tope.nl > > Direct link to TOPE 42: > http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=42 > > Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: > http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 09:28:12 2010 Received: (qmail 13985 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 07:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 07:28:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDB7E18089 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B506EE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51003628001 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA791361800A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17434 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 07:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 07:28:02 -0000 Message-Id: <01E6731E-B663-47A4-973E-E0F9516C451F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:28:01 +1000 References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 09:28:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11e58c255132013633067 No, we have plague locusts! No love involved. If your car is green, they'll eat it clean off the wheels. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/06/2010, at 10:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, it's clear that you don't have lovebugs then. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 11:13:20 2010 Received: (qmail 4890 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 09:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 09:13:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BCFE18092 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A842E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B42E47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F4CB37BDD for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloFADabEUzKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSaY0CvWuFGAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,402,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3632253" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 21:13:08 +1200 Received: from [111.69.246.229] (229.246.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.246.229]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DB52029B for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:13:06 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:12:20 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C12A6B4.11916.2E43CF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100610-1, 11/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 11:13:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c11fe30194972013633067 Today I was at the local recyclers. Not my usual stamping ground but my partner likes going there so I don't mind and anyway I have picked up the odd item such as a pair of lovely Swedish wine glasses without peer. So, today we wander in there and what do I see? Two enlargers, one has been left out in the weather for a few days and the other not. They have not been officially tested electrically yet ... So they could let me have them on appro only. Will probably be available for a donation. The one left out in the rain which I stood in from of a fan heater for a couple of hours is a MEOPTA OPEMUS 5a with a Meopta Anaret 4.5/80 (F/4.5 - 22) lens that could do with a clean but looks OK otherwise. The light source is a 240 volt frosted bulb that looks as though it would fit in one of our standard house light sockets. It lit up OK. The other, much heavier and larger, is a Krokus RG 66 with a Minolta E.Rokkor 1:4.5 f=50cm lens $126126 It has 6 stops but is so recessed I can't see the numbers except with difficulty if I take the lens out. Seems to be f/4.5 - 22. It looks to be in quite good condition. Unfortunately, when I hooked up the power there was a momentary flash, then it was all over, Rover. Turns out it has a 12 volt glass envelope lamp. There are three colour sliders. A lot of glass between the lamp and the negative. Both machines were made in Poland. Any comment about them, preferably useful !! will be appreciated. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 12:43:43 2010 Received: (qmail 3414 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 10:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 10:43:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C2EE180CB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C53E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFBA34AC029 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE7D34AC027 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from auth.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (auth.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [90.155.4.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON1hz-00079X-Li for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:43:31 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C12A6B4.11916.2E43CF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:43:20 +0100 Message-ID: <38A3D56D3A1B44BCB0704352D64E31EC@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4C12A6B4.11916.2E43CF@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsJRlWtFkNiCAlFRnG5U4jF8W2OLwACT6Mg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-0, 11/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 12:43:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12135f8271073733319 Used to have a Krokus 44 - simple, well built, good design - the head swivelled to project on the wall for large scale printing. The 66, as I recall, was for 6x6 film, which might explain why the 50mm lens is buried deep in the mount - but more than that I don't recall. I notice one sold on the auction site for GBP1 a couple of months back - the seller noted that it could be used as a copy stand, which is precisely what I did many years ago. And if you don't intend to go into colour negative printing, and given that the electrics sem to have fried, it's what I would do now in your shoes, Brian. NB I think Krokus used 42mm thread, not the usual 39mm for enlarging lenses. The manufacturer, PZO Warszawa, is no longer in the photo optics business. The Meopta Opemus is Czech, not Polish, and is again a 6x6 model. Don't have any experience with Meopta products, but would expect them to be at least the equal of the Krokus, that is well-built and well-designed. It dates from 1978-1980, according to http://www.meopta.com/index.php?id=312 but Meopta has ceased prodcution of cameras and enlargers. And as to the Swedish wine glasses without Peer - well Peer's in the Hall of the Mountain King enjoying Norwegian wine glasses. For myself, I would stick to Cebtral European phot equipment, as Scandinavian wine doesn't travel well. But apart from that, I think you made a good day of it! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swale [mailto:bj@caverock.net.nz] Sent: 11 June 2010 10:12 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers Today I was at the local recyclers. Not my usual stamping ground but my partner likes going there so I don't mind and anyway I have picked up the odd item such as a pair of lovely Swedish wine glasses without peer. So, today we wander in there and what do I see? Two enlargers, one has been left out in the weather for a few days and the other not. They have not been officially tested electrically yet ... So they could let me have them on appro only. Will probably be available for a donation. The one left out in the rain which I stood in from of a fan heater for a couple of hours is a MEOPTA OPEMUS 5a with a Meopta Anaret 4.5/80 (F/4.5 - 22) lens that could do with a clean but looks OK otherwise. The light source is a 240 volt frosted bulb that looks as though it would fit in one of our standard house light sockets. It lit up OK. The other, much heavier and larger, is a Krokus RG 66 with a Minolta E.Rokkor 1:4.5 f=50cm lens $126126 It has 6 stops but is so recessed I can't see the numbers except with difficulty if I take the lens out. Seems to be f/4.5 - 22. It looks to be in quite good condition. Unfortunately, when I hooked up the power there was a momentary flash, then it was all over, Rover. Turns out it has a 12 volt glass envelope lamp. There are three colour sliders. A lot of glass between the lamp and the negative. Both machines were made in Poland. Any comment about them, preferably useful !! will be appreciated. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 13:05:05 2010 Received: (qmail 23329 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 11:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 11:05:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D9DE1809D for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D3EE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A958D34AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CAD34AC025 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from auth.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (auth.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [90.155.4.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON22i-0001xH-BX for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:56 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:46 +0100 Message-ID: <67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsI548DJ1ji+fbzSgmd1VnAsh4sWAAbQRzA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-0, 11/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 13:05:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c121861128431612113968 This looks to be a very good offer indeed. Phase One recently acquired Expression Media from Microsoft (who had previously acquired it as I-view Media Pro in 2006 - in which guise I think Chris used it). Phase One are offering it to registered users of Capture One for free. Thus buy the half-price Capture One for Euro 49.50 / USD 64.50 abd get Expression Media for nothing (usually Euro 149.00 / USD 199.00). Available for Windows and Mac. The offer is here http://preview.tinyurl.com/395krt7 Piers -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dapoz [mailto:md@dementia.org] Sent: 10 June 2010 22:55 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open On 10-Jun-10, at 4:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Why can't camera companies just leave well enough alone? They don't > try to make camera PHONES, do they, why try to be in the software business? > > Although I'm not a fan of lightroom, I do like Leica's adoption of the > DNG format. I will probably be adding Capture one soon. I just got this in my email from Phase One. For anyone interested in Capture One, they're offering 50% off the purchase or upgrade of the basic version until June 18: Prices: Capture One 5 Summer Offer Capture One 5 Euro 49.50 / USD 64.50 Upgrade from Capture One 4 to Capture One 5 Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50 Upgrade from Capture One 3 to Capture One 5 Euro 34.50 / USD 49.50 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 13:17:32 2010 Received: (qmail 12948 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 11:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 11:17:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A8EE180BF for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E92FE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D6734AC027 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF234AC025 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3444 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 11:17:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100611-0, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 13:17:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c121b4c172296107113666 OK, you win :-) I think I'll restrict my driving in clouds of bugs to central Florida instead of central WA. Toilet paper, geo pick, shovel and trowel generally not required. Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Chuck, > >> Well, it's clear that you don't have lovebugs then. If you had to go >> 250km to the next station you'd never be able to do it through a lovebug >> swarm. Even 50km would be a tough slog as the windshied and headlights >> would be totally plastered over and you wouldn't be able to see to >> drive. But lovebugs originated in Central America and have spread >> around the states surrounding the Gulf of Mexico. Wet places. Not too >> much danger of spreading to Western Australia. :-) > > We do had locus's in WA, those with all the other insects is why we use > flywire over the air intakes and the radiators on cars and trucks here. > > When it gets to bad on the windscreens you use newspaper to > scrap and clean so you can see out again. There are also > wire mesh windscreen protectors, though I never bothered with > them myself. I also suspect they might be illegal now. > > Anyone that has done bush or driving though central WA > normally always packs a large container of water, a towel, > toilet paper, geo pick, shovel, newspapers, and a trowel. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > (House packed up (Victoria, Australia) and looking at new > abodes in Perth, Western Australia) > > I'm kinda tired. I was up all night trying to round off infinity. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 13:21:38 2010 Received: (qmail 9038 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 11:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 11:21:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07984E1808F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF527E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2A3E4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882A6E47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5752 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 11:21:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 13:21:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c121c42207281744846740 I think I'll pass on Canada. The number of Canadians that surround me in Florida during the winter tells me that Canada is too damned cold :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > but that's only part time residence in two places. > > You could be domiciled in Canada nevertheless ! [Nice place .... no oil > slicks and no BP gas stations :-) ] > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > >> Domicile was a term too legal. I live in both New York and Florida at >> different times of the year. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> John Hudson wrote: >>> How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? >>> >>> jh >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >>> >>> >>>> B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>>>> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >>>>> Andrew Fildes >>>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. 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See you in Wittenoom sometime? I believe there are a few properties for sale there? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/06/2010, at 1:13 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > Anyone that has done bush or driving though central WA > normally always packs a large container of water, a towel, > toilet paper, geo pick, shovel, newspapers, and a trowel. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > (House packed up (Victoria, Australia) and looking at new > abodes in Perth, Western Australia) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 13:31:14 2010 Received: (qmail 27458 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 11:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 11:31:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238CFE180BB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A135BE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97381E47436 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3246FE47434 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100611-0, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 13:31:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c121e82229989730998309 I've never seen one but the Meopta Opemus is at least a familiar name although I didn't know they had their own lenses. At 80mm this must clearly be a medium format device. I've never heard of the Krokus. Did you make a typo on the focal length at "50cm"? 500mm is a whopping focal length for an enlarger. Sounds about right for an 11x14"! Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Today I was at the local recyclers. Not my usual stamping ground but my > partner likes going there so I don't mind and anyway I have picked up the > odd item such as a pair of lovely Swedish wine glasses without peer. > > So, today we wander in there and what do I see? > > Two enlargers, one has been left out in the weather for a few days and the > other not. They have not been officially tested electrically yet ... So they > could let me have them on appro only. Will probably be available for a > donation. > > The one left out in the rain which I stood in from of a fan heater for a couple > of hours is a > MEOPTA OPEMUS 5a with a Meopta Anaret 4.5/80 (F/4.5 - 22) lens that > could do with a clean but looks OK otherwise. > The light source is a 240 volt frosted bulb that looks as though it would fit in > one of our standard house light sockets. > It lit up OK. > > The other, much heavier and larger, is a > Krokus RG 66 with a Minolta E.Rokkor 1:4.5 f=50cm lens $126126 > It has 6 stops but is so recessed I can't see the numbers except with > difficulty if I take the lens out. Seems to be f/4.5 - 22. It looks to be in quite > good condition. > Unfortunately, when I hooked up the power there was a momentary flash, > then it was all over, Rover. > Turns out it has a 12 volt glass envelope lamp. > There are three colour sliders. A lot of glass between the lamp and the > negative. > > Both machines were made in Poland. > > Any comment about them, preferably useful !! will be appreciated. > > Brian Swale. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 13:39:38 2010 Received: (qmail 14768 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 11:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 11:39:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F24E180B2 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C79E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD87BE47435 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:39:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B82E47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:39:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:31 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C121C3A.7020103@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Can I switch to digital? Thread-Index: AcsJWEHRPYxLhJ72Tcq8CND6PGfwVAAAgf/w References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <4C0F7311.5060203@dcs.qmul.ac.uk><4C0F9972.9090000@chucknorcutt.com> <85530BE2E5854FFAB6084D177F229620@jimnichols> <3290050B786C41D5AB5B584A01E2C847@your9ya3hf92n3> <1F20E49B-50BD-4839-9BF4-6D718E71845F@people.net.au> <4C1028C2.8040701@chucknorcutt.com> <4C103E39.2030500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10DE89.4000705@chucknorcutt.com> <3FE64F3CA9014ECBBCF3FB9DFB7D25B3@hudson> <4C11837C.6040809@chucknorcutt.com> <4C121C3A.7020103@chucknorcutt.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2010 11:39:31.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1CCC440:01CB095A] Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 13:39:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12207a99311612113968 Wouldn't argue with that. However, our sunbelt (SW Ontario) is at approximately the same latitude as Detroit, Milwaukee and Boston. Even allowing for the regional climatic effects, there are parts of the US that are equally cold. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:22 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? I think I'll pass on Canada. The number of Canadians that surround me in Florida during the winter tells me that Canada is too damned cold :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > but that's only part time residence in two places. > > You could be domiciled in Canada nevertheless ! [Nice place .... no > oil slicks and no BP gas stations :-) ] > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > >> Domicile was a term too legal. I live in both New York and Florida >> at different times of the year. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> John Hudson wrote: >>> How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? >>> >>> jh >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >>> >>> >>>> B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of domicile. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>>>> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >>>>> Andrew Fildes >>>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. >>>>>> No VAT here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have >>>>>> to pay state taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:12:41 2010 Received: (qmail 22636 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:12:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F53E180C4 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E89E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2609934AC029 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160534AC025 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.221.163]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3U00H0AN8JJ0Z0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:12:24 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:12:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c122839108771234514069 So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but you can't do preemptive upgrade. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's > mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected > products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to > inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I > don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II > mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >> >> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>> >>>> >>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:24:17 2010 Received: (qmail 7604 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:24:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48521E180BB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F900E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C57B34AC029 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492B434AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.221.163]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3U00EE5NRZ9SQ5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C122AE4.9060304@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:24:04 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com><4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:24:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c122af1109841006886880 I imagine newest 5D production would have clamp update. Later OMs like PC/40 used 3-4 small dots of glued like silicon rubber to hold mirror in. I saw mirror fall out in that model often while never seeing it in OM-1 through 2N, which used small dots of 5 min. epoxy on the mirror. I have seen it only a handful of times in the 4 series. Sucky part about the PC/40 defect was that Olympus then started using a larger mirror, which prevented you from popping the mirror off the frame and gluing it onto the old frame. Job went from somewhat simple to a complete disassembly to install a complete mirror (which was still glued on). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html C.H.Ling wrote: > My 5D II do have two small metal clamps on left and right sides. The 5D > mirror off problem seems rather popular, many used 5Ds selling locally said > to have mirror clamps added. > > This kind of problem is not new to me, the mirror on my brand new M*nolta > 600si came off within a month, I fixed it myself but unfortunately scratched > the focusing screen during cleaning up the mirror box, it costed me over $50 > for a replacement. On the other hand I owned over 10 OMs and never seen one > had this problem. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > > >> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>> >>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:25:50 2010 Received: (qmail 25054 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:25:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D9CE18099 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FE8E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36783E47434 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4978E47427 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13468 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 12:25:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:25:50 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c122b4e237391073733319 And I live at roughly that same latitude in New York. But that's why I (and those Canadians) winter in Florida. :-) Chuck Norcutt Walters, Martin wrote: > > Wouldn't argue with that. However, our sunbelt (SW Ontario) is at > approximately the same latitude as Detroit, Milwaukee and Boston. Even > allowing for the regional climatic effects, there are parts of the US > that are equally cold. > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:22 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? > > I think I'll pass on Canada. The number of Canadians that surround me > in Florida during the winter tells me that Canada is too damned cold :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> but that's only part time residence in two places. >> >> You could be domiciled in Canada nevertheless ! [Nice place .... no >> oil slicks and no BP gas stations :-) ] >> >> jh >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >> >> >>> Domicile was a term too legal. I live in both New York and Florida >>> at different times of the year. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> John Hudson wrote: >>>> How can one be domiciled in more than one place ? >>>> >>>> jh >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? >>>> >>>> >>>>> B&H is not the only seller nor is New York my only state of > domicile. >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>>>>> Don't you have a friend in Jersey? >>>>>> Andrew Fildes >>>>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/06/2010, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds as though we'd each do better dealing across the pond. > >>>>>>> No VAT here but as a New York resident buying from B&H I'd have >>>>>>> to pay state taxes roughly 1/2 of your VAT. >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5188 (20100610) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:28:55 2010 Received: (qmail 16215 invoked by uid 0); 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I believe there are a few properties > for sale there? :-) Still ? Got mine for $1 :-) Cheers Ian Manners Wait!! Don't pick up that teleph -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:36:08 2010 Received: (qmail 24887 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:36:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01086E180C9 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA47E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8188BE4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1ACE47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21123 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 12:35:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 12:35:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4C122DAE.1060305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:35:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-0, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:36:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c122db8242241413256596 That's my interpretation of the following wording ------------------------------------------------------ AFFECTED PRODUCTS EOS 5D Digital SLR cameras whose main mirror HAS DETACHED. User Support We will repair and reinforce the mirror portion of the AFFECTED PRODUCTS free of charge. If you own one of the affected products, please contact our Customer Support Center. ------------------------------------------------------ But I have just sent them an email asking for clarification and whether they will apply the fix preemptively. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but > you can't do preemptive upgrade. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>> >>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:41:52 2010 Received: (qmail 17393 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:41:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD5CE18098 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107C7E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DB734AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9398134AC027 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.221.163]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3U00489OLCJ6R4@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:41:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C122F05.5080406@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:41:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C1142AB.1080301@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C1142AB.1080301@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:41:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c122f0f175721136683642 Isn't Oly software required if you want to upgrade camera firmware? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But there are those on this list who insist that only the Oly software > makes the correct colors from an Oly raw file. But I haven't a clue > about that. I only know that if the Canon software did a better > conversion than ACR I still wouldn't use it because the interface sucks > in comparison. (and it's probably better than Oly if the Oly camera > user interface and user's manual is any indication) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you >> want this software on your computer in the first place? Since I >> switched to digital in 2004, I have received programs like this from >> Canon, Olympus, Leica, Panasonic and probably others, and without >> exception, they have all sucked. Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is >> all you need. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: >> http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: >> >>> Some info in case anyone is interested: After following Chuck's >>> directions, the file downloads were the same, no differences. I >>> have installed and uninstalled Olympus Viewer 2 a total of 8 times >>> now, all to no avail. I have emailed back and forth with Olympus >>> and followed their recommendations, still no go. I have just spent >>> 45 minutes on the phone with Olympus Tech support and a very nice >>> gentleman named Stanley took over my computer remotely and he >>> couldn't get Olympus Viewer 2 to run, either. We see an error with >>> "Olylaurel.dll", but no one knows what that means or how to fix it. >>> So, he will research this and get back to me as soon as possible. I >>> am hoping very much that he can find a solution. >>> >>> Candace >>> >>> On 6/2/2010 2:08 PM, Candace Lemarr wrote: >>> >>> I am having great difficulty with trying to download Olympus >>> Viewer. Using Windows XP sp2, 1.5 gb ram. I have downloaded it with >>> Firefox, it won't open. I have uninstalled and downloaded it with >>> IE 8 twice, turned off virus protection/firewall, saving it, then >>> installing it, and rebooted, it still won't open. The screen with >>> the camera comes up, and then the windows pop up error box comes up >>> and says Olympus Viewer encountered a problem and needs to close. >>> Sending the message to Microsoft does nothing, of course. >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:46:39 2010 Received: (qmail 5573 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:46:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C46E18094 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C04E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FEA34AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA0434AC027 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0 (DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so793801wyi.20 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.127.83 with SMTP id f19mr1847417wbs.83.1276260386433; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chu (190.254.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.254.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l46sm491780wed.10.2010.06.11.05.46.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:46:42 +0300 (EEST) From: priit@cc.ttu.ee X-X-Sender: priit@chu To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C121E7A.5030003@chucknorcutt.com> Message-ID: References: <4C12A6B4.11916.2E43CF@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C121E7A.5030003@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:46:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12302f293071073733319 On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I've never seen one but the Meopta Opemus is at least a familiar name > although I didn't know they had their own lenses. At 80mm this must > clearly be a medium format device. Yes, Opemus is a 6x6 enlarger. The 5a should be an 1980's model. > Brian Swale wrote: >> Both machines were made in Poland. Krokus yes, but Meopta is Czech. Does it actually say "made in Poland" somewhere? Priit. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 14:52:10 2010 Received: (qmail 26096 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 12:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:52:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAE6E18086 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF88E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898FAE4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFDAE47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24106 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 12:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:52:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7F4FA70A-62D7-48F7-85BC-D2A39510C6E4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <100.c0c803000929124c.001@comkal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:52:02 +1000 References: <4C103690.7050100@comcast.net> <919A9128962B4C00A6CD883665BA1C12@jimnichols> <4C10E177.5060404@chucknorcutt.com> <4C1181D9.6000600@chucknorcutt.com> <100.00b20c00d2a9114c.003@comkal.net> <9894986C-9D85-4799-8F70-227159A8FE71@people.net.au> <100.c0c803000929124c.001@comkal.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 14:52:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12317a82701220213263 You got robbed! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/06/2010, at 10:16 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > Still ? > Got mine for $1 :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 15:03:56 2010 Received: (qmail 12056 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 13:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 13:03:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB7CE1808C for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965E5E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA9534AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F3E34AC026 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so806595wyi.20 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.141 with SMTP id d13mr1888097wbv.40.1276261426294; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (host86-142-42-54.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.42.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm9074221wbd.13.2010.06.11.06.03.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:03:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org> <67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> Message-Id: <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 15:03:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12343c324673900897491 Hmmm, that could be a good combination, especially since it has been taken from the dead hand of MS! Chris On 11 Jun 2010, at 12:04, Piers Hemy wrote: > This looks to be a very good offer indeed. > > Phase One recently acquired Expression Media from Microsoft (who had > previously acquired it as I-view Media Pro in 2006 - in which guise I think > Chris used it). Phase One are offering it to registered users of Capture One > for free. Thus buy the half-price Capture One for Euro 49.50 / USD 64.50 > abd get Expression Media for nothing (usually Euro 149.00 / USD 199.00). > > Available for Windows and Mac. > > The offer is here http://preview.tinyurl.com/395krt7 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 15:25:04 2010 Received: (qmail 8167 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 13:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 13:25:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8027E18091 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F75E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9EEE47427 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BB4E47436 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from epping.unh.edu (epping.unh.edu [132.177.136.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,403,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="10035833" Received: from ray.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.6]) by epping.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 11 Jun 2010 09:24:56 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.14]) by ray.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.6]) with mapi; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:24:56 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:24:54 -0400 Thread-Topic: 21/2, Mamiya 7, et al Thread-Index: AcsJT0IuyV2L1zsRTo67d06X74z3xwAGd0Ow Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8BC@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, Mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 15:25:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c123930153982517112723 >Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko 21mm? I think so, yes. And worse than the quantity is the complexity - it's moustache distortion, difficult to correct. Distagon is a nice lens, no doubt, but considering the price/size/distortion/speed, I'd still prefer the 21/2 zuiko. But I like the Mamiya 7 43mm better than either of those 21s. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 15:51:45 2010 Received: (qmail 20269 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 13:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 13:51:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08BDE180A8 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1CDE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4352DE47436 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D565DE47435 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON4dy-0007B6-Vh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:51:35 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net><7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org><67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:51:24 +0100 Message-ID: <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsJZo0suK3fryp4SHGR6hE4txr+OQABb4jw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-0, 11/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 toopen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 15:51:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c123f7186101357919056 Was it you who used the predecessor I-view Media Pro, Chris? I know one of "us" did, and AFAIK it wasn't me (but I could be mistaken). If it was you, then you get a free upgrade to Expression Media 2 anyway. And then it gets better - as an Expression 2 user, you get a free Capture One. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 11 June 2010 14:04 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 toopen Hmmm, that could be a good combination, especially since it has been taken from the dead hand of MS! Chris On 11 Jun 2010, at 12:04, Piers Hemy wrote: > This looks to be a very good offer indeed. > > Phase One recently acquired Expression Media from Microsoft (who had > previously acquired it as I-view Media Pro in 2006 - in which guise I > think Chris used it). Phase One are offering it to registered users of > Capture One for free. Thus buy the half-price Capture One for Euro > 49.50 / USD 64.50 abd get Expression Media for nothing (usually Euro 149.00 / USD 199.00). > > Available for Windows and Mac. > > The offer is here http://preview.tinyurl.com/395krt7 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 21:04:18 2010 Received: (qmail 19104 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 19:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 19:04:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E73E180AB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9911E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E44E47435 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF84E47434 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1153941fxm.20 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.184.67 with SMTP id r45mr1370535wem.15.1276283046920; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.145 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C12A6B4.11916.2E43CF@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C121E7A.5030003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 21:04:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1288b27271946193717 I had to go dig in the closet to be sure, but I have a Meopta Optimus 5 with a 4.5/50 Meopta Anaret lens. Came packed in a fibreboard suitcase and features an adjustable neg holder - 2 1/4 x 21/4 down to 1/2 frame(?). Nicely (and proudly) made in 'Czechoslovakia.' On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:46 AM, wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > I've never seen one but the Meopta Opemus is at least a familiar name > > although I didn't know they had their own lenses. At 80mm this must > > clearly be a medium format device. > > Yes, Opemus is a 6x6 enlarger. The 5a should be an 1980's model. > > > Brian Swale wrote: > > >> Both machines were made in Poland. > > Krokus yes, but Meopta is Czech. Does it actually say "made in Poland" > somewhere? > > Priit. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 21:10:19 2010 Received: (qmail 25922 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 19:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 19:10:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC461E1808E for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016AE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9865AE4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD225E4743A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8491 invoked by uid 502); 11 Jun 2010 19:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 19:10:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4C128A07.3020708@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:09:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net><7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org><67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 toopen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 21:10:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c128a1b29361744846740 On 6/11/2010 6:51 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Was it you who used the predecessor I-view Media Pro, Chris? I know one of "us" did, and AFAIK it wasn't me (but I could be mistaken). > > If it was you, then you get a free upgrade to Expression Media 2 anyway. And then it gets better - as an Expression 2 user, you get a free Capture One. > I have I-View Media Pro (as well as Expression Media 1). Where is this offer for a free upgrade to Expression Media 2? I don't see it on the PhaseOne site. Somewhere on an MS site? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 21:12:47 2010 Received: (qmail 24790 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 19:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 19:12:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA1EE1809D for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD3E240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E5BE47435 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48149E47427 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15184 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jun 2010 19:11:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100611-1, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, Mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 21:12:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c128aaf138332013633067 But, if as indicated before, you use PTLens you can take test photos with the lens in question and send them to the author, Tom Niemann. Tom will take your test photos and build a profile for that particular lens on a particular digital body. With a custom profile PTLens is capable of correcting even complex moustache distortion. See the "Lens Correction" and "Calibration" sections on the page above. Chuck Norcutt Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko > 21mm? > > I think so, yes. And worse than the quantity is the complexity - it's moustache distortion, difficult to correct. > > Distagon is a nice lens, no doubt, but considering the price/size/distortion/speed, I'd still prefer the 21/2 zuiko. > But I like the Mamiya 7 43mm better than either of those 21s. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 21:30:15 2010 Received: (qmail 18214 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 19:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 19:30:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D899DE180AB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49FEE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5AA34AC02A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D0434AC028 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9409 invoked by uid 502); 11 Jun 2010 19:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 19:30:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4C128EBB.1080807@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C61C8A3@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6C32DB9D-A33F-4DE9-BDF7-1BE3FCF4D46E@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 21:30:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c128ec7276121234514069 On 6/10/2010 3:51 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > What the hell is complex moustache distortion? > On 6/11/2010 6:24 AM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko 21mm? > I think so, yes. And worse than the quantity is the complexity - it's moustache distortion, difficult to correct. The example on the PTLens site suggests that may not be true, the correction is quite good. That's also been my experience with PTLens. My Tamron 17-35 has lots of "moustache distortion" at 17mm. There samples don't have straight lines to fuss over, but by moving the mouse rapidly over them, you can get quite a clear picture of the "surface shape" of the distortion. - - - - A. Corrected Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 21:58:02 2010 Received: (qmail 9589 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 19:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 19:58:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5287BE180A1 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B9FE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED4AE4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA0DE47434 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19113 invoked by uid 502); 11 Jun 2010 19:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jun 2010 19:57:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4C129540.6080003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:57:52 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net><7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org><67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> <4C128A07.3020708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C128A07.3020708@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Oops [was Free Expression Media 2] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 21:58:02 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12954a4821357919056 My mistake. I already have Expression Media 2. I couldn't find the free offer directly on the PhaseOne site, but found the link on DPReview. Now they say: "Thank you! We will validate your Expression Media PID number and get back to you within 5 working days. Best regards, Phase One" Five days to validate a code??? Weird. Maybe they have to send them to MS, where a clerk checks a printout and sends them back an email? :-) Thanks for the heads up, Moose On 6/11/2010 12:09 PM, Moose wrote: > On 6/11/2010 6:51 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: >> Was it you who used the predecessor I-view Media Pro, Chris? I know >> one of "us" did, and AFAIK it wasn't me (but I could be mistaken). >> >> If it was you, then you get a free upgrade to Expression Media 2 >> anyway. And then it gets better - as an Expression 2 user, you get a >> free Capture One. > > I have I-View Media Pro (as well as Expression Media 1). Where is this > offer for a free upgrade to Expression Media 2? I don't see it on the > PhaseOne site. Somewhere on an MS site? > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jun 11 23:35:59 2010 Received: (qmail 16705 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 21:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 21:35:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3983CE180A6 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8648FE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749A13610002 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA9E3610001 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jun 11 23:35:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12ac3f185011258626592 The flower is here http://tinyurl.com/368john More of the stealthy insect with Angenieux 70 x 3 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000971.jpg.html and a last one with Oly ZD 50-200 http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000984.jpg.html Have a nice weekend all Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe NO ARCHIVE -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 01:24:00 2010 Received: (qmail 22097 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2010 23:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:40 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e31.ab3fd11 (37691) for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB087-d3bc4c12c5752c6; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:36 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d104 (webmail-d104.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.198]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC036-d3bc4c12c5752c6; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:33 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:33 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:23:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCD7D43EC40254-2D70-AB13@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 01:24:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12c5903771342116753 > What the hell is complex moustache distortion? > On 6/11/2010 6:24 AM, Sawyer, Edward wrote: >> Ed, are you saying the C/Y Distagon has more distortion than the Zuiko 21mm? > I think so, yes. And worse than the quantity is the complexity - it's > moustache distortion, difficult to correct. Mooose says: "The example on the PTLens site suggests that may not be true, the correction is quite good. That's also been my experience with PTLens." A prime I believe only requires 1 image for PTlens to consruction the profile if it is not in the database and no other work. Cheap , easy and good. Site says primarily for distances for 25ft to infin but very good even 10 feet out. DXO includes focusing distance for the correction, if available , but a MF lens will likely never be supported. Oddly the the 5D classic IIRC does not include focus distance in the exif despite the data being available to flashes. Older cams did report this data--I think the 30D. This was restored in the 5DII. Perhaps until Canyon software needed the data, Canyon just left it out. Another fussy option is the lens profile creator in PS--your could even do this for a MF lens and edit in focus distance in the exif if you wanted to be compulsive. Will correct LCA /vignetting too. Aperture/fstop can be put in at time of shot with a chipped adapter or after with exif editor. Seems like a bunch of work but would be for your specific cam and lens and eliminate sampling issues. Perhaps we should profile every Zuiko. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lensprofile_creator/ http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/lensprofile_creator/lensprofile_creator_userguide.pdf Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 03:57:00 2010 Received: (qmail 31808 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 01:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 01:56:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36572E1806F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2537DE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B54B3618004 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77643610001 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5170 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 01:56:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 01:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4C12E960.10606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:56:48 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7489D213-0B79-43C5-B332-C0EC36A81BBD@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <7489D213-0B79-43C5-B332-C0EC36A81BBD@sfr.fr> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-1, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: FF - Friday Flower, and host X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 03:57:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12e96c254541220213263 I like the detail showing the leg hairs in 971 and I don't believe I've ever seen an insect cast a shadow... through a leaf as in 984. Well done. Chuck Norcutt philippe.amard wrote: > The flower is here > http://tinyurl.com/368john > > More of the stealthy insect with Angenieux 70 x 3 > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000971.jpg.html > > and a last one with Oly ZD 50-200 > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000984.jpg.html > > > Have a nice weekend all > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO ARCHIVE > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 03:59:18 2010 Received: (qmail 22581 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 01:59:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46138E1809C for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DDBE240E5 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EA3E4720F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBE9E47202 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6140 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 01:59:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100611-1, 06/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 21/2, mamiya 7, et al X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 03:59:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c12e9f6183141879814018 Including variations? Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: Perhaps we should profile > every Zuiko. > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lensprofile_creator/ > > http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/lensprofile_creator/lensprofile_creator_userguide.pdf > > > Mike > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 09:20:43 2010 Received: (qmail 15565 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 07:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 07:20:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC6E180B7 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53628E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E846E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF05FE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so1782931wyi.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.67 with SMTP id e3mr3001288wbt.114.1276327234891; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.253.208.91] (82-68-83-171.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.83.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm16113304wbd.7.2010.06.12.00.20.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:20:32 +0100 Message-Id: References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net><7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org><67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net> <5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 toopen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 09:20:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13354b253441413256596 It was me, Piers. Thanks for that gem! Cheers Chris On 11 Jun 2010, at 14:51, Piers Hemy wrote: > Was it you who used the predecessor I-view Media Pro, Chris? I know one of > "us" did, and AFAIK it wasn't me (but I could be mistaken). > > If it was you, then you get a free upgrade to Expression Media 2 anyway. And > then it gets better - as an Expression 2 user, you get a free Capture One. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 10:43:52 2010 Received: (qmail 15863 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 08:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 08:43:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F280E180C2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B9FE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8F134AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1934AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMFAHPlEkzKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSbY0GvkaFGAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,407,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="5159512" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 20:43:44 +1200 Received: from [111.69.244.245] (245.244.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.244.245]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D739820296 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:43:42 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:43:25 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-1, 12/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 10:43:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1348c8178041076813867 A few days ago when Jez invited us to look at http://www.nothere.be I clicked onto it and was amazed at how slow it is to load. Because it uses Flash. I don't understand why people use Flash programming. I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of these checks of about 33.6 kbps. "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper cable, and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. Not worth paying for. So I decided to run a few checks. www.nothere.be took 6 minutes 15 seconds for the first image to appear, and 25 minutes 10 seconds (4,750.706 bytes) for the first 14 out of ?96 to appear. I spent no more time there. At about the same time Chris Barker invited us to inspect his flower shots. Another site using Flash ... http://mobile.me/ 6 minutes 15 seconds until the first image appeared at 650,000 bytes at 9 minutes 57 seconds they had all showed up at 2,127,056 bytes. In contrast my"commercial" site (brianswale.com) which uses only html loaded the front page in 3 minutes 23 (706,000 bytes) and the next step, the gallery page with lots of thumbnails, in a further 2 minutes. About five and a half minutes for a lot more graphic content. One of the Zuiko Solstice sites that I host http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/solstice/2004/2004.htm now 6 years old with an image on the initial main page and 31 thumbnails took 6 minutes to load them all - 1.3 MB data Incidentally, the quality of those images is amazingly good by todays digital standards. For people on fibre-optic broadband, these differences are probably trivial; I can't tell. But for me they may make the difference between me looking, or not looking. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 11:14:22 2010 Received: (qmail 11213 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 09:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:14:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C569E1809B for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59887E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498ADE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B594E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp04.register.it [81.88.48.54]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24674 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 09:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 09:14:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:14:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9475661E-F543-4F4B-8695-B01084EB7BFA@frozenlight.eu> References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 11:14:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c134fee226896789618724 Brian, I dislike Flash too, but for different reasons--security holes, crashing browsers etc. However, I do understand why many photographers and other content providers use it--it makes it much harder to steal images and allows for slick presentations. As for access speeds, I am afraid that in this day and age you cannot expect web designers to limit themselves by making their sites suitable for dial-up users. These days it is very unusual to access the net at such a slow speed. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog YNWA On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > A few days ago when Jez invited us to look at > http://www.nothere.be I clicked onto it and was amazed at how slow it is to > load. Because it uses Flash. > I don't understand why people use Flash programming. > > I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of > these checks of about 33.6 kbps. > "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper cable, > and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. Not > worth paying for. > > So I decided to run a few checks. > www.nothere.be took 6 minutes 15 seconds for the first image to appear, > and > 25 minutes 10 seconds (4,750.706 bytes) for the first 14 out of ?96 to > appear. I spent no more time there. > > At about the same time Chris Barker invited us to inspect his flower shots. > Another site using Flash ... > http://mobile.me/ > 6 minutes 15 seconds until the first image appeared at 650,000 bytes > at 9 minutes 57 seconds they had all showed up at 2,127,056 bytes. > > In contrast my"commercial" site (brianswale.com) which uses only html > loaded the front page in 3 minutes 23 (706,000 bytes) > and the next step, the gallery page with lots of thumbnails, in a further 2 > minutes. About five and a half minutes for a lot more graphic content. > > One of the Zuiko Solstice sites that I host > http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/solstice/2004/2004.htm now 6 years > old with an image on the initial main page and 31 thumbnails > took 6 minutes to load them all - 1.3 MB data > > Incidentally, the quality of those images is amazingly good by todays digital > standards. > > For people on fibre-optic broadband, these differences are probably trivial; I > can't tell. But for me they may make the difference between me looking, or > not looking. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 11:28:47 2010 Received: (qmail 30000 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 09:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:28:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A245AE180A6 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C3DE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D534AC029 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8660134AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:64452 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ONN17-0002lF-59 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:28:41 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:28:43 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? Thread-Index: AcsKEaY+5O9ZeHYEEd+FfgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 11:28:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13534f160412013633067 I have Fiber Broadband and flash sucks for me too. Slow and SLOW. People who design with it should be castrated. Not kidding, it should be a crime. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 6/12/10 4:43 AM, "Brian Swale" wrote: > A few days ago when Jez invited us to look at > http://www.nothere.be I clicked onto it and was amazed at how slow it is to > load. Because it uses Flash. > I don't understand why people use Flash programming. > > I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of > these checks of about 33.6 kbps. > "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper cable, > and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. Not > worth paying for. > > So I decided to run a few checks. > www.nothere.be took 6 minutes 15 seconds for the first image to appear, > and > 25 minutes 10 seconds (4,750.706 bytes) for the first 14 out of ?96 to > appear. I spent no more time there. > > At about the same time Chris Barker invited us to inspect his flower shots. > Another site using Flash ... > http://mobile.me/ > 6 minutes 15 seconds until the first image appeared at 650,000 bytes > at 9 minutes 57 seconds they had all showed up at 2,127,056 bytes. > > In contrast my"commercial" site (brianswale.com) which uses only html > loaded the front page in 3 minutes 23 (706,000 bytes) > and the next step, the gallery page with lots of thumbnails, in a further 2 > minutes. About five and a half minutes for a lot more graphic content. > > One of the Zuiko Solstice sites that I host > http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/solstice/2004/2004.htm now 6 years > old with an image on the initial main page and 31 thumbnails > took 6 minutes to load them all - 1.3 MB data > > Incidentally, the quality of those images is amazingly good by todays digital > standards. > > For people on fibre-optic broadband, these differences are probably trivial; I > can't tell. But for me they may make the difference between me looking, or > not looking. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 11:30:33 2010 Received: (qmail 4662 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 09:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:30:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53490E180A6 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17772E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0303FE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCB5E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31756 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 09:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:29:58 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:29:58 +1000 References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 11:30:33 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1353b954629730998309 ? I'm on copper - ADSL2+ The whole page took less than 10 seconds to load. I don't think it's copper that's the problem. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/06/2010, at 6:43 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > A few days ago when Jez invited us to look at > http://www.nothere.be I clicked onto it and was amazed at how slow > it is to > load. Because it uses Flash. > I don't understand why people use Flash programming. > > I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of > these checks of about 33.6 kbps. > "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper > cable, > and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. > Not > worth paying for. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 11:38:04 2010 Received: (qmail 26915 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 09:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:38:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E21E180AC for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4460E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C94034AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B3C34AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7371 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 09:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:37:57 -0000 Message-Id: <3E39A06B-0E0B-4857-BC83-1B50E3052ED1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:37:56 +1000 References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 11:38:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13557c202991612113968 Just did a test - I'm getting 6979kbps line speed, 0.85mB/s download speed. That's on copper, as I said. At least for part of the distance. I don't think fibre has reached my node yet! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/06/2010, at 6:43 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of > these checks of about 33.6 kbps. > "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper > cable, > and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. > Not > worth paying for. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 11:53:20 2010 Received: (qmail 25828 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 09:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:53:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4397CE18092 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8599E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C936FE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2045E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl04.gs02.gridserver.com (cl04.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-127-125-241.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.125.241]:64762 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl04.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNOq-0001xv-0o for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:53:13 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:53:14 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? Thread-Index: AcsKFRMGUb13iHYIEd+WYQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <3E39A06B-0E0B-4857-BC83-1B50E3052ED1@people.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 11:53:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c135910235541357919056 Copper can carry either Dial-Up, which is limited in the USA to 56kb/s downloads (its a law, not a technical limit), or it can carry DSL, which can be very fast...as fast as Cable TV internet service, though not as fast as fiber. There is no technical reason for DSL to cost more or for dial up to be slower...its just the way the phone companies set it up, and it really is illegal here to offer dial up service faster than 56kb/s! Why? I think the phone companies lobbied congress for that so they can be justified in charging 3 times as much for DSL. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 6/12/10 5:37 AM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > Just did a test - I'm getting 6979kbps line speed, 0.85mB/s download > speed. > That's on copper, as I said. At least for part of the distance. I > don't think fibre has reached my node yet! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/06/2010, at 6:43 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > >> I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of >> these checks of about 33.6 kbps. >> "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper >> cable, >> and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. >> Not >> worth paying for. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 12:33:51 2010 Received: (qmail 543 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 10:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 10:33:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCBCE180AC for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923E9E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9BDE47427 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FD7E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5CAXgS0030333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:33:43 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:33:33 +1000 Message-ID: <008801cb0a1a$b9687810$2c396830$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsKC2JIGzFXo2u9QO6AiPhOfrw4kQADwzbw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 12:33:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13628f255921744846740 > > For people on fibre-optic broadband, these differences are probably > trivial; I > can't tell. But for me they may make the difference between me looking, > or > not looking. > I'm on copper broadband and some sites using flash are still too slow to make it worth looking. Just too much decoration and not enough real content. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 12:35:34 2010 Received: (qmail 1262 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 10:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 10:35:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2E1E180B6 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D97AE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C82534AC028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0301234AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5CAZ1d0018289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:35:03 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:34:58 +1000 Message-ID: <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsKEaY+5O9ZeHYEEd+FfgAKlchBUgACSekg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 12:35:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1362f6315921006886880 > > I have Fiber Broadband and flash sucks for me too. Slow and SLOW. > People who > design with it should be castrated. Not kidding, it should be a crime. > A bit extreme - maybe ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 12:58:27 2010 Received: (qmail 19561 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 10:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 10:58:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253E6E180C4 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE70E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BED234AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2605134AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9831 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 10:58:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 10:58:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4C13684A.6090305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:58:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-0, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 12:58:27 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c136853210861234514069 I agree. Your first two links took 2-3 seconds to load and your own link about 6 seconds. My cable connection isn't the fastest available as it runs between 900 kbps and 1000 kbps. Based simply on bit rates your connection seems off by a factor of 2... a very signficant number when a factor of two means 6 minutes vs. 3 minutes. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > ? > I'm on copper - ADSL2+ > The whole page took less than 10 seconds to load. > I don't think it's copper that's the problem. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/06/2010, at 6:43 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > >> A few days ago when Jez invited us to look at >> http://www.nothere.be I clicked onto it and was amazed at how slow >> it is to >> load. Because it uses Flash. >> I don't understand why people use Flash programming. >> >> I'm on dialup, and my new house has a connection speed at the time of >> these checks of about 33.6 kbps. >> "Broadband" as supplied here is not on fibre-optic cable, but copper >> cable, >> and for the extra cost one might get anything from 20 to 100 kbps. >> Not >> worth paying for. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:05:21 2010 Received: (qmail 17992 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:05:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBB3E180A7 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DD1E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD5D34AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767AE34AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.63]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONOWW-0001et-29 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:05:12 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net><4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net><7B78AE49-5D69-43A3-9DAF-3DD88877F454@dementia.org><67ED432D32034E1FABA6D8C107D10753@your9ya3hf92n3> <111F5F90-52FB-4D78-B953-7CF7948FB450@threeshoes.net><5B2D6B4BB8BC4EF19851E4EFE37F39E7@your9ya3hf92n3> <4C128A07.3020708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3442CE3457E04FBEBEC8EA547DF3745F@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsJmbwP3ItVXyurSFKs/tgKpz3e1AAhMQ4g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <4C128A07.3020708@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-0, 12/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer2 toopen X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:05:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1369f160451234514069 I know you have solved the problem, Moose, but for the sake of others who may still want the answer, go to this page on the Phae One site: http://preview.tinyurl.com/39dfnoy There are two offers on that page - to the right of the main image is the "free Capture One for users of Expression Media" offer. Below that same graphic is "iView customers get Expression Media 2 for FREE!". Both offers expire on 30 June, and if you do have iView Media or MediaPro, you would sign up for that offer first, then sign up for the freee Capture One. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Moose [mailto:olymoose@gmail.com] Sent: 11 June 2010 20:10 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Free Expression Media 2 was Can't get Olympus Viewer2 toopen On 6/11/2010 6:51 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Was it you who used the predecessor I-view Media Pro, Chris? I know one of "us" did, and AFAIK it wasn't me (but I could be mistaken). > > If it was you, then you get a free upgrade to Expression Media 2 anyway. And then it gets better - as an Expression 2 user, you get a free Capture One. > I have I-View Media Pro (as well as Expression Media 1). Where is this offer for a free upgrade to Expression Media 2? I don't see it on the PhaseOne site. Somewhere on an MS site? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:07:08 2010 Received: (qmail 20425 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:07:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EBFE180A5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65259E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613B5E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA1AE47434 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMFAH4GE0zKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSbo0GvhiFGAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,408,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="5161061" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 23:05:56 +1200 Received: from [111.69.240.213] (213.240.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.240.213]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3D020296 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:05:54 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:05:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C1412B4.7371.3376128@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-1, 12/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:07:08 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c136a5c155976107113666 I must have been tired when I wrote that bit about the enlargers I have scored, if I want them. Yes, the Meopta was made in Czechoslovakia, and the Minolta E.Rokkor is 50mm, not 50cm. Although the Krokus is clearly made for colour printing, the optics and the cool (ie not heated) light path (there's much more glass in the light path) makes me want to ask "Would it actually not be any good for B&W printing?" The Minolta lens is significantly bigger than that of the Meopta as well which would have me intuitively favour it. I'll see if I can replace the bulb. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:07:09 2010 Received: (qmail 23579 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:07:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16674E180C9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D893E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6B8E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF67EE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMFAH4GE0zKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSbo0GvhiFGAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,408,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3653441" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 23:05:58 +1200 Received: from [111.69.240.213] (213.240.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.240.213]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9BA20296 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:05:56 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:05:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C1412B4.31352.337627F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100611-1, 12/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:07:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c136a5d233807801554290 Chris remarked that 56kb/s is the legal max download speed on dialup in the USA. I get the same in my Christchurch flat, so maybe there is a similar law in NZ. ISPs here offer as many as 3 - 4 flavours of broadband, and of course the faster it goes the more you pay. I have noticed that in Christchurch, since about 6 months ago there are regular delays when I try a fresh connection to the internet, or try once again to download my mail, so I presume the ISPs deliberately retard dialup, in order to irritate their customers into signing up for broadband. The Government Minister in charge of communications matters here recently made some rash statement about getting fibre-optic cable to every house within ??? 10 years. I think he said it would cost us $3,000 each. I can see that happening like me flying to the moon - there are many more important things for the Government to sort out first. I'm very impressed by the speed Andrew is getting on copper wire in Melbourne. Probably he's right; there could be other factors than copper having the effect. I've heard it said that the local telephone exchange has only recently been upgraded to provide "caller ID" on telephone calls. My partner's son is on copper broadband, and although it has stopped repeated loss of connection, he is still muttering savagely about the slow speeds. Flash doesn't stop me making copies of images if I am so minded. That PC "Print Screen" button works fine, then I open Irfanview, and click on "Edit / paste" I think it is. Voila ! There I have it. To some extent. Maybe I'll post an image of the glasses without peer. Until I found these Swedish glasses, my favourite glasses were made by the UK glass-works "Nazeing" near London. Their glasses are still very good, but these Swedish glasses (I'm reasonably sure they are Swedish) are really nice to hold and drink from - even when I'm sober :-) They have a heavy base that fits nicely in the hand. Cheers (or Prost) Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:10:30 2010 Received: (qmail 23818 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:10:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA48BE180A5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DB3E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7187E47427 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A9EE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-158-115.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.158.115]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5CB9qMR025171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:09:53 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C13684A.6090305@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4C13684A.6090305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:09:49 +1000 Message-ID: <009101cb0a1f$c6c11e40$54435ac0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcsKHi9bi+gvvqvPQ/i9F0HtE2TXJgAASPLA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:10:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c136b26115471073733319 > > I agree. Your first two links took 2-3 seconds to load and your own > link about 6 seconds. My cable connection isn't the fastest available > as it runs between 900 kbps and 1000 kbps. Based simply on bit rates > your connection seems off by a factor of 2... a very signficant number > when a factor of two means 6 minutes vs. 3 minutes. > Yeah well it's not JUST the speed of your connection into the "network", there can be a lot of hops between you and the webserver hosting the site, lots of factors determining how fast the page displays on your machine. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:18:10 2010 Received: (qmail 11390 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:18:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30755E180A9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D08E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8553E47427 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169D1E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1942 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 11:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:18:01 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C1412B4.31352.337627F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:18:00 +1000 References: <4C1412B4.31352.337627F@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:18:10 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c136cf2249829730998309 I confess that it's costing me $85 per month with a 40gB limit. But to shift 5-8meg jpegs around as I have to, it's necessary. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/06/2010, at 9:05 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > I'm very impressed by the speed Andrew is getting on copper wire in > Melbourne. Probably he's right; there could be other factors than > copper > having the effect. I've heard it said that the local telephone > exchange has > only recently been upgraded to provide "caller ID" on telephone calls. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:37:19 2010 Received: (qmail 9017 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:37:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5D1E180AA for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5E4E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C370DE47435 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7604FE47434 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 58390 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2010 11:37:13 -0000 Message-ID: <343263.57742.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zurWy0MVM1mJEsApTFmk2szTq7G9rPggwt0jPAGsEfv4N8Z hNyiRA_L6io_OU.BW0QaXrhlLxD6pzR0C8cmD1YqdH4aTLwMAT6GbU8UTjxY IJMID0bqJQNCGmVNRTV7Wyu.PoqF9yqi..Ny388.AtwtzeRcOwAe6JuhYZpu lgo3wqCGJ6ZTojuFF1SF6Io2a58_xL6aO6_Hgtb8IT_j7X3qig.HhCWF5F3C xjQZuURjpBTidtT1S8Y2BA9DyFYSyYCaXIr6_YgJElE0uB_5OJQ-- Received: from [173.64.13.137] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:37:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13716f190051234514069 Not sure what others have replied back with. However, I have noticed that photographers esp. use a lot of flash on their sites. I agree with you Flash is slow! With the new HTML standard you may see people moving away. With things like the iPad and iThings that do not use Flash, website designers have to re-think their layouts. Anyway the simple method is the way to go. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 13:56:19 2010 Received: (qmail 30147 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 11:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 11:56:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417EDE180A8 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1765E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C00EE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E4DE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.63]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONPJr-00043k-TE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:56:12 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4C1412B4.7371.3376128@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:56:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsKH2Qb+cdKGH3yR/asYMKFS0OplgABmtgQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <4C1412B4.7371.3376128@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-0, 12/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 13:56:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1375e3124709730998309 You can use colour heads for multigrade contrast control (in place of the multigrade filters), Brian, though I have no experience of multigrade printing. Take a look at the links on this page: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/aboutus/page.asp?n=110 Piers -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swale [mailto:bj@caverock.net.nz] Sent: 12 June 2010 12:05 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Could be OM - Enlargers I must have been tired when I wrote that bit about the enlargers I have scored, if I want them. Yes, the Meopta was made in Czechoslovakia, and the Minolta E.Rokkor is 50mm, not 50cm. Although the Krokus is clearly made for colour printing, the optics and the cool (ie not heated) light path (there's much more glass in the light path) makes me want to ask "Would it actually not be any good for B&W printing?" The Minolta lens is significantly bigger than that of the Meopta as well which would have me intuitively favour it. I'll see if I can replace the bulb. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 16:29:00 2010 Received: (qmail 19447 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 14:28:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDB1E180C1 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F6AE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31134AC028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E8634AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25286 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 14:28:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 14:28:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1399A0.8000807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:28:48 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-0, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] In search of villains, was: web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 16:29:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1399ac62001744846740 Chris is apparently looking for villains where there are none. Yes, there is a law in the US restricting analog telephone modems to, not 56 kbps, but 53.3 kbps. The reason has to do with preventing cross-talk at the higher voltage required to actually get to 56 kbps. To understand even the 56 kbps speed limit one must understand how the telephone system works. From your house to the phone company's "central office" (a switching station technicallly limited to being not more than, IIRC, about 3-5 miles away) your analog telephone signal is carried on what's called the local loop. This analog signal is limited to 3 kHz (perfectly adequate for carrying human speech). At the central office switching station the analog signal is converted to an equivalent signal carrying capacity 64 kbps digital signal. Since the telephone system is a point-to-point switching system you "own" this 64 kpbs digital channel as long as you are using your phone or modem. The modem becomes limited to 56 kbps because the 64 kbps digital channel uses part of the bandwidth for signals outside of the voice signal. The further restriction to 53.3 kbps (9.5% loss) has to do with preventing cross-talk. But is 53.3 kbps a real world restriction. Not really. For those who have used 56 kbps modems does anyone ever remember actually connecting at a speed greater than about 33 kbps? It's possible but the gods have to be willing and the wind blowing in the right direction. The real problem is 50 year old telephone wires and that 3 kHz analog signal. That modem is not a digital device. It's an analog device and 3 kHz is all it has to work with. If you read this history of modem development on Wikipedia you'll gain an understanding of how amazing it is that we can even get what we do out of the analog phone system. Now about DSL. DSL stands for Digital Subscriber Line. Which simply means that the phone company has converted your personal DSL line from a 3 kHz analog line to a digital line with something much more than 64 kbps capacity on your end. That means they had to change the switching system for your line and also means that your connection takes up some multiple of those 64 kbps digital lines. At least logically. In the real world those lines get multiplexed together onto even faster physical connections. So, yes, they had to actually change the system to accommodate your use of DSL and you're also using greater capacity on their system once you connect and your data starts rolling in. But what they're justified in charging you for that is a different matter. Their business practices and obsolete depreciation practices are slowly consigning them to the dustbin of history. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Copper can carry either Dial-Up, which is limited in the USA to 56kb/s > downloads (its a law, not a technical limit), or it can carry DSL, which can > be very fast...as fast as Cable TV internet service, though not as fast as > fiber. There is no technical reason for DSL to cost more or for dial up to > be slower...its just the way the phone companies set it up, and it really is > illegal here to offer dial up service faster than 56kb/s! Why? I think the > phone companies lobbied congress for that so they can be justified in > charging 3 times as much for DSL. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 17:04:43 2010 Received: (qmail 406 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 15:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 15:04:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA623E180B2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E31E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7DBE47218 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2331EE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp08.register.it [81.88.48.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12709 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 15:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 15:04:31 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:04:29 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OT: cycling mailing lists / forums? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 17:04:43 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13a20b281941357919056 I know there are keen cyclists on both these lists. I also know there are a million mailing lists on cycling out there. The question is, are any of them any good, i.e. full of knowledgeable and friendly people like the LUG and the Olympus list? Preferably also with a reasonable distribution of members and topics between the two sides of the Atlantic. TIA, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog YNWA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 17:15:36 2010 Received: (qmail 12595 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8CEE180A5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2287FE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D528734AC028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78234AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so2166552wwb.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.179.138 with SMTP id h10mr599447wem.21.1276355728311; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.145 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: cycling mailing lists / forums? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 17:15:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13a49875073900897491 Do you mean to imply there is another side to OUR Atlantic Ocean? ;o) The "Fixies" list used to be pretty good if you're into big city/traffic riding. Rick in Southern Maryland USA On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I know there are keen cyclists on both these lists. I also know there are a > million mailing lists on cycling out there. The question is, are any of them > any good, i.e. full of knowledgeable and friendly people like the LUG and > the Olympus list? Preferably also with a reasonable distribution of members > and topics between the two sides of the Atlantic. > > TIA, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > YNWA > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 17:46:06 2010 Received: (qmail 11081 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 15:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 15:46:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68BDE1809C for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D669FE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D4DE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86328E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from durham.unh.edu (durham.unh.edu [132.177.136.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,408,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="10461504" Received: from ray.ad.unh.edu (HELO exchange.unh.edu) ([132.177.152.6]) by durham.unh.edu with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 12 Jun 2010 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.14]) by ray.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.6]) with mapi; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:45:58 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:44:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: PTlens/DXO Thread-Index: AQHLCkZZcoTCVYGMNUmhluHbsV5wxQ== Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99193C7A9042@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] PTlens/DXO X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 17:46:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13abbe97736107113666 > With a custom profile PTLens is capable of correcting even complex moustache distortion. Well, that assumes you're shooting digital. Or scanning. I do neither, so it's a bit of a moot point. But yes, DXO and PTLens do seem to be useful tools for digital shots. -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 18:21:01 2010 Received: (qmail 25541 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 16:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 16:20:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92956E180B7 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7776CE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A434AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B795B34AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F9C120018 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:50 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF2011FDC4 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:49 +0930 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65973116E91 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:49 +0930 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E372D116E90 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:48 +0930 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93395EBC3D; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:48 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:50:48 +0930 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20100612162048.GA87081@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.130 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:11066 -> 64.62.209.31:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 24e0ac1ffe054c13b3e61572a0 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 18:21:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13b3ed67699752976205 On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 08:34:58PM +1000, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 05:28:43AM -0400, Chris Crawford wrote: > > > > I have Fiber Broadband and flash sucks for me too. Slow and SLOW. > > People who > > design with it should be castrated. Not kidding, it should be a crime. > > > > A bit extreme - maybe ! > > ...Wayne Poorly written javascript & cascading style sheets (CSS), as well as design tools based around only one vendor's browsers are often to blame, too... Dealing with the repeated errors brings w3c compliant browsers to their knees. My work's intranet site main page is so poorly written that Opera reported some 70 indiscretions when I turned the error console on. FF takes forever to load it, & IE just displays it quickly without complaint (I think I know whose page design tools they use...). I'm with Chris on this one, except maybe he's being too gentle... ;) davidt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 18:44:12 2010 Received: (qmail 28192 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 16:44:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EC6E18088 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73650E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEDC34AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0233C34AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so2246473wwb.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.69 with SMTP id p5mr3512774wbu.2.1276361045119; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p17sm12221313wbe.8.2010.06.12.09.44.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <20100612162048.GA87081@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:44:02 +0100 Message-Id: <2C7499FB-C37D-49CC-AF19-4D48A38C366C@threeshoes.net> References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> <20100612162048.GA87081@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 18:44:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13b95c240847801554290 Ah, that might explain the muddy slowness that afflicts my work's Intranet home page. It is absolutely dreadful! Chris On 12 Jun 2010, at 17:20, David Thatcher wrote: > My work's intranet site main page is so poorly written that Opera > reported some 70 indiscretions when I turned the error console on. FF > takes forever to load it, & IE just displays it quickly without > complaint (I think I know whose page design tools they use...). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 20:04:58 2010 Received: (qmail 19072 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 18:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 18:04:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96486E180BA for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45027E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC4534AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E772E34AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so2514222iwn.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.114.144 with SMTP id e16mr3540119ibq.188.1276365888339; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2C7499FB-C37D-49CC-AF19-4D48A38C366C@threeshoes.net> References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> <20100612162048.GA87081@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <2C7499FB-C37D-49CC-AF19-4D48A38C366C@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:04:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dznhyq9S2UXYOYgv3za9s6K8bQY Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 20:04:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13cc4a125801136683642 OK, you figured that this thread would draw my out to howl a bit.... For the past ten years (and unknown for how long yet to come) I've been a telecom engineer so I'm probably as qualified as anybody to spout off on this subject. First of all, the 56kbps limit on dial-up is dictated by physical limits of the "Voice Switch Network". This is a hard limit determined by the time-slicing that is imposed on the signal. We call this "TDM" or Time Division Multiplexing. You have to think of how the telephone system works here. >From the customer premise to the "central office" you have a twisted copper pair of wires. The twist is to address RFI (Radio Frequency Interference), induction and capacitive issues. Depending on the age, location, distance, etc., the guage of the wire varies, but is usually 22 guage give or take two sizes and is solid core copper. Contrary to popular belief of audiofiles everywhere, this pair of copper is able to pass frequencies well beyond 200mHz. Frequency/distance tables are known for each guage of copper and is easily calcuatable. For short distances, it is not uncommon to be able to push up to 10gbps over copper. Even in your home or office, you usually have 100mbps LANs which are copper, so copper isn't really the issue. So, this is called the "access loop" or "access circuit". This is the physical plant required to bring the customer circuit over the outside plant to the central office or access multiplexer. At this point the AD/DA converters bandpass limit the audio signal and digitizes to a maximum of 56kbps (or 64kbps in some parts of the world). This signal is then passed through the voice-switched network as 1/24th of a T1. There are 28 T1s in a DS3 and 48 DS3s in a OC-48... As dial-up Internet is transported directly through this switched network, there is an absolute physical top limit to the bandwidth attainable through this technology. DSL technology is substantially different. What happens with DSL as provided by the telephone company is that we have TWO audio bandbass filters on each end of the copper access loop. The spoken word is filtered out of the data signal and the data signal is filtered out of the spoken word. These are standard-fair low and high-frequency cut filters not unlike audio-crossovers in your stereo system. Everything from about 10khz on down is passed to the telephone handset, while everything from 10khz on up goes to the dsl modem. This occurs on both ends. When a filter goes bad you get a fuzzy noise in the handset or broken data connection everytime the telephone rings. At the central office (or whever the DSLAM-Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer, is located), the data signal is separated from the voice signal. The voice-signal is passed to the voice switch network and the data signal is then passed on to a separate data network. DSL uses a "spread-spectrum" type of encoding which in practical application means that the higher the frequency response of the copper loop, the greater the possible data throughput. Now remember that this is distance limited, not really anything more than that. If the distance is short enough, you get as fast of speed as would be possible with any other transport technology (fiber). Once you get past about 1500 meters, copper starts to fall off quite dramatically, and then again about 6000 meters most ADSL technologies kinda of hit the limit unless impedence/capacitance balancers are installed every few thousand meters along the line. If the line is fully balanced, we can double and sometimes triple the distance. But even so, you wont get 18mpbs of throughput at 10000 meters. We use different types of inverse-multiplexing technologies to achieve customer-loop bandwidths exceeding 100mbps over copper pair/s. In fact, were currently testing one which will deliver up to 1gbps up to 3000 meters over copper pairs. So, in reality, the main advantage of fiber over copper is the ability to deliver faster speeds FARTHER. It's not that fiber is any faster (although it can be when you do wave-division multiplexing (WDM). What about cable-modems? Are they inherently faster? Nope. Copper, but the main difference there is instead of using copper pairs, it uses a coaxal "conduit" which allows radio signals to be transmitted through the copper with minimal signal attenuation. Maximum bandwidth of DSL and Cable are about the same. Why, then is the internet faster or slower depending on your location? It doesn't matter how fast your DSL connection is if the ISP has narrow straws upstream of the Access Multiplexer. You might have 10mbps of download spead, but if the DSLAM you are connected to has only 3mpbs (two T1s) of backhaul, you will only get a maximum of 3mpbs and that's only possible if nobody else is using it. Remember, your copper pair is exclusively yours, but once you get to the first multiplexer, you enter a shared environment and then you succumb to the curse of stat-muxing. As a general rule, we can go 20:1 on stat-muxing for most backhauls and up to 200:1 on the primary drain. Unfortunately, many ISPs will oversubscribe far higher than 20:1 on the backhauls and when they are reaching 40:1 the customer complaints get pretty severe. We usually see customers changing ISPs at 25:1 in competitive areas. FTTH (Fiber to the Home) is the promise to the future of 100mbps and higher access speeds, but the fact is, the backhaul network at that point will be the limiting factor and as ISPs are for-profit operations, and backhaul is extremely expensive, $15 to $25 per month month per subscriber JUST for the backhaul and Internet drains. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 21:34:41 2010 Received: (qmail 28038 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 19:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 19:34:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174DEE180B9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED93E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50B6E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE9CE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E831408C for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C13E14E.7030509@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:34:38 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 21:34:41 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13e151138341879814018 > > I don't understand why people use Flash programming. I don't like it either Brian. I use the FlashBlock plug-in for Firefox which allows me to choose to view or not. Recommended. Usually I pass. No offense to those with Flash websites but life is too short. It also blocks Silverlight. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 21:49:09 2010 Received: (qmail 13752 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE96E18089 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A927E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0890934AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AD734AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549A631408C for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C13E4AE.9000000@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:49:02 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 21:49:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c13e4b5231121006886880 > > And I live at roughly that same latitude in New York. But that's why I > (and those Canadians) winter in Florida.:-) > I live at nearly the same latitude as Timmons and we had days this winter warmer than Florida. :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 23:39:23 2010 Received: (qmail 5458 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BD9E180C8 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9456E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F8934AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC8D34AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3755 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) 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Don't be so...regional! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/06/2010, at 1:04 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Preferably also with a reasonable distribution of members and topics > between the two sides of the Atlantic. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jun 12 23:50:36 2010 Received: (qmail 21169 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B043DE180A7 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149F6E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DF9E47218 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC0EE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 959 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 21:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4C140123.4060402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:50:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] [OT] Canon 5D mirror fix, was: Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jun 12 23:50:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14012c143452013633067 I emailed Canon and they have agreed to do a free, preemptive fix on the mirror. They will email me a form to be sent with the camera and a UPS label to take care of the shipping. Service requires 10-15 business days from time of arrival so I'll be without the camera for some time. i need the camera next weekend so I won't send it off until 6/22. That means no 5D for July 4 but I don't think we're doing anything special then. Looks like I'll have to get reacquainted with some other cameras. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but > you can't do preemptive upgrade. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>> >>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 00:27:30 2010 Received: (qmail 15713 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 22:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 22:27:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACEEE1809D for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B0AE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DB5E47218 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:27:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE04BE4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17764 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jun 2010 22:27:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1409CA.5060401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:27:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C13E4AE.9000000@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4C13E4AE.9000000@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 00:27:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1409d279435034211378 Yup. The fish were dying and the gators were freezing their bums. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: >> And I live at roughly that same latitude in New York. But that's why I >> (and those Canadians) winter in Florida.:-) >> > I live at nearly the same latitude as Timmons and we had days this > winter warmer than Florida. :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 00:44:47 2010 Received: (qmail 20745 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 22:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 22:44:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D215E18098 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB67E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BC6E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C92E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFAI+qE0zKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSao0FvUaFGgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,409,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="5170518" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 10:44:39 +1200 Received: from [111.69.251.92] (92.251.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.251.92]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88F62013D for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:44:38 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:44:38 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 13/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 00:44:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c140ddf315771342116753 Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible as others have done it. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 01:19:45 2010 Received: (qmail 24829 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 23:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 23:19:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49676E180A9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49317E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C7E47218 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA630E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7978 invoked by uid 504); 12 Jun 2010 23:19:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 01:19:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14161137731234514069 It works for me and it appears that you can preview the entire book. But I found I could page through the book faster than it could load images and rather than waiting for the pages to load it just shows blank pages. If you wait for it to catch up it will behave normally again. With your very slow link that may be all that's going on. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group > > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 > > I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible as others > have done it. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 02:04:00 2010 Received: (qmail 374 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 00:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 00:03:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D92E180A3 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F876E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BD934AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A42034AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (mta03.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3X00C43EVGTY20@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:04:28 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEABS9E0wYWedR/2dsb2JhbACId5Z4vUUOhQwEhw4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,409,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="776953464" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:03:50 -0300 Message-id: <020C6E3EC5D640C8BEC880A774FD05A8@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:03:51 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7285 Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 02:04:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c142070216075034211378 Talking about books and photographers, I read John Hedgecoe's obit in The Times [on-line edition]. He passed away on 3 June 2010. Amongst his claims to fame was his snap shot of the Queen the outline of which was to adorn British stamps from 1967 onwards. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" To: Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: [OM] New photography book > Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group > > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 > > I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible > as others > have done it. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5192 (20100612) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5192 (20100612) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 02:08:52 2010 Received: (qmail 6309 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEED6E18099 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CBFE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A3834AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF45834AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L3X0082WFB2D720@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:13:50 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEAHu+E0wYWedR/2dsb2JhbACId5Z4vUAOhQwEhw4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,409,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="627800806" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:08:43 -0300 Message-id: <40CAB7624ACD4388B7154448A205E7B1@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:08:44 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7285 Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 02:08:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c142194166611560218263 I could not open the book beyond the dust cover of the outer front hard page. I'll give it a pass ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" To: Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: [OM] New photography book > Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group > > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 > > I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible > as others > have done it. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5192 (20100612) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5192 (20100612) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 04:00:56 2010 Received: (qmail 16607 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CBE180C2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E257E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E03E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B073FE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-120.ctimail.com [61.93.57.120]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o5D20lCY021859 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:00:48 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o5D20lF6003651 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:00:47 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C141607.7050006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:00:39 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 04:00:56 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c143bd8112681136683642 No problem for me too, most images come up when flipping the pages, some has to wait a moment. I have a connection that download softwares at over 3MB/s. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > It works for me and it appears that you can preview the entire book. > But I found I could page through the book faster than it could load > images and rather than waiting for the pages to load it just shows blank > pages. If you wait for it to catch up it will behave normally again. > With your very slow link that may be all that's going on. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Brian Swale wrote: >> Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group >> >> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 >> >> I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible >> as others >> have done it. >> >> Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 04:10:28 2010 Received: (qmail 8815 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 02:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 02:10:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D608E180AA for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4048AE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CE4E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA301E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so1875668gwa.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.38.147 with SMTP id b19mr1727048qce.253.1276395022162; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.214.206 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:10:02 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 04:10:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c143e14229155683411216 On 13 June 2010 08:44, Brian Swale wrote: > Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group > > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 > > I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible as others > have done it. Down underneath, there's a link that asks, "Have a slow connection?" Did you try that link as well? Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 04:38:35 2010 Received: (qmail 8926 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 02:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 02:38:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21531E180A2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C25E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB8134AC028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536334AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so2807415iwn.20 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.158.203 with SMTP id g11mr4295260ibx.24.1276396708445; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:38:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C13E14E.7030509@interisland.net> References: <4C13E14E.7030509@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:38:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KZ1kMgXA1QjyR8cRB3Uo4R_YdUg Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 04:38:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1444ab251699752976205 with the iPad, thefevis no option. On Saturday, June 12, 2010, Mike Lazzari wrote: >> >> I don't understand why people use Flash programming. > I don't like it either Brian. I use the FlashBlock plug-in for Firefox > which allows me to choose to view or not. Recommended. Usually I pass. > No offense to those with Flash websites but life is too short. It also > blocks Silverlight. > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 07:29:00 2010 Received: (qmail 18934 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 05:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 05:29:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537DEE180C5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE455E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88CBE47427 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9A1E47218 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23886 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 05:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 05:28:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4C146C8C.2050309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:28:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 07:29:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c146c9c39541950411718 On 6/12/2010 7:10 PM, Marc Lawrence wrote: > On 13 June 2010 08:44, Brian Swale wrote: > >> Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group >> >> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 >> >> I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's possible as others >> have done it. >> > Down underneath, there's a link that asks, "Have a slow connection?" Did you try that link as well? > Not only is it quicker, it shows larger images. Recommended way to view it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 07:54:54 2010 Received: (qmail 20993 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 05:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 05:54:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4541EE1809B for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868BBE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BFE34AC028 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2215734AC027 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25437 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 05:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 05:54:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1472A5.3030802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:54:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 07:54:54 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1472ae198201076813867 On 6/10/2010 12:32 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > The gap between rich and poor have never been - even in our troubled past= here in South Africa - been as great as it is now. I generally don't like = photographing unfortunate people, and tried here not to focus as much on th= e sitting man, as on the contrast of him and the scene behind him. > > http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/161/d/5/The_Gap_by_philosomatograp= her.jpg > (OM-1, 90mm at f/2.0, Ilford FP4+, 8x10in analogue print) > = Nicely seen and captured. Still, your m=E9tier of very shallow plane of = focus requires great care in focusing and has, to my eye, failed here. = The lower legs in focus and face soft doesn't really work for me. I'm = not sure I mind the soft face, but the part that's in focus seems wrong = to me. YMMV Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 08:16:47 2010 Received: (qmail 18643 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 06:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 06:16:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B801CE180B3 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08A0E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7182E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BBFE47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16789 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 06:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 06:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1477C2.8040700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 08:16:47 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1477cf115941879814018 On 6/10/2010 12:45 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I am late to this thread, but I have a stupid question: why do you want t= his software on your computer in the first place? Since I switched to digit= al in 2004, I have received programs like this from Canon, Olympus, Leica, = Panasonic and probably others, and without exception, they have all sucked. There is a significant difference, though. I don't know about the = others, but Canon's DPP, whether one likes the interface or not, is a = professional piece of software creation, in that it installs and updates = easily, has no twitches or glitches and is stable and reliable. Oly's = software clearly doesn't meet those criteria. On 6/10/2010 12:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ... I only know that if the Canon software did a better conversion than = ACR I still wouldn't use it because the interface sucks in comparison. So much depends on what one uses them for, and how. You use ACR, from my = viewpoint, as both image processor and editor. I only use it to process = RAW file into PS, where I do all the process/editing but WB and exposure = related adjustments. So for me, DPP would be OK, if it did a better job at the key function = of conversion to PS/PSD. As it is, I use ACR because its default = conversion is better, to my eye, than DPP, and it does a better job of = guessing colors when recovering highlights. > Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is all you need. > = Ah well, =E0 chacun son go=FBt. I disliked LR a great deal when I tried it. = I tried ACDSee quite some time ago, and it didn't do anything for me. Now I guess I will get to try out Capture One. :-) Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 08:22:48 2010 Received: (qmail 20037 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 06:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 06:22:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B1BE180A9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736CFE240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC60E4720F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34551E47202 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless-169-235-36-246.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-36-246.ucr.edu [169.235.36.246]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id MXH09946 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <4C1477C2.8040700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:22:42 -0700 Message-Id: <638D6183-BE60-4F2D-9E39-25318B65813E@ucr.edu> References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C1477C2.8040700@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 08:22:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c147938184371258626592 On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Moose wrote: >> = >> Lightroom or ACDSee or some such is all you need. >> = > = > Ah well, =E0 chacun son go=FBt. I disliked LR a great deal when I tried i= t. = > I tried ACDSee quite some time ago, and it didn't do anything for me. > = > Now I guess I will get to try out Capture One. :-) There=92s also SilkyPix which some people swear by. /s -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 08:33:13 2010 Received: (qmail 30807 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 06:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 06:33:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03433E180B4 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6C8E240E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6960034AC026 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C9034AC025 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2396 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 06:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 06:33:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4C147B9D.7010805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:33:01 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net><4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C11473A.5010207@bresnan.net> <4C114AC0.2030606@bresnan.net> <93EF8E3DC4074107B2FC8313056919C8@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <93EF8E3DC4074107B2FC8313056919C8@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 08:33:13 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c147ba9108195683411216 On 6/10/2010 1:37 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: >> ...why do I have to completely upgrade to CS4 or CS5 to get the version of ACR that supports the E-30 ORFs? >> > Oh, that part is easy. Adobe needs the money to pay fantastic bonouses to the execs. > Well, Chuck and Ken have pretty much debunked Chris' conspiracy theory about dial-up speeds. I'm not out to debunk this one, as I'm sure the top dogs do want as much money as possible. My personal gripe is that I think their upgrades are overpriced. Still, as a sometime software developer, and entirely a one man show, so I know every aspect, I suggest another perfectly good reason. There is little more frustrating, when adding/changing functionality, than dealing with a fixed data file format or data interface. I can't imagine over all the years of development of ACR/PS that significant changes to the data/software interface haven't been needed several times. But then the new PS can't communicate with the older version of ACR, and vice versa. Once you make that change, you can't do backward compatibility without rewriting all the older versions of either PS or ACR. And that just makes no economic sense at all. I can't see ANY business spending lots of time and money to go back to rewrite old software just so folks don't have to upgrade. Just a Thought Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 09:52:53 2010 Received: (qmail 27397 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 07:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 07:52:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21173E180C7 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED797E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EF634AC026 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9EF34AC025 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so2815954wwb.20 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.149 with SMTP id f21mr4153298wbt.42.1276415564146; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm25651968wba.3.2010.06.13.00.52.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <020C6E3EC5D640C8BEC880A774FD05A8@hudson> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:52:41 +0100 Message-Id: <944E0FFD-6857-47B1-8552-F0AD346248CB@threeshoes.net> References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> <020C6E3EC5D640C8BEC880A774FD05A8@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 09:52:53 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c148e55157521006886880 Thanks for that, John. I didn't know that he had died. I might get his last book to add to my collection ... Chris On 13 Jun 2010, at 01:03, John Hudson wrote: > > Talking about books and photographers, I read John Hedgecoe's obit in The > Times [on-line edition]. He passed away on 3 June 2010. Amongst his claims > to fame was his snap shot of the Queen the outline of which was to adorn > British stamps from 1967 onwards. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 10:01:17 2010 Received: (qmail 28185 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 08:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 08:01:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E845E180A9 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12272E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4D3E4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4568AE47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003021.ctinets.com [119.246.3.21]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id o5D8176A012388 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:01:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <44345EFF675C46F1994A0B51067C99F2@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C14B696.12856.36E613@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C146C8C.2050309@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:00:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 10:01:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14904d127132013633067 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > On 6/12/2010 7:10 PM, Marc Lawrence wrote: >> On 13 June 2010 08:44, Brian Swale wrote: >> >>> Made of Light, from the Cosina-Voigtlander Users Group >>> >>> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1414763 >>> >>> I couldn't get it to open past the first page, but I'm sure it's >>> possible as others >>> have done it. >>> >> Down underneath, there's a link that asks, "Have a slow connection?" Did >> you try that link as well? >> > > Not only is it quicker, it shows larger images. Recommended way to view > it. > If you have a higher speed connection you can click the "Full Screen" icon on top right hand corner, you get even larger images. With my connection it is much faster than the "Have a slow connection?" option. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 11:16:12 2010 Received: (qmail 27838 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 09:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 09:16:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B0EE180BC for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E52E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51165E47218 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB050E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17354 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 09:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 09:16:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4C14A1CE.2020201@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:15:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117709.40042.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C06BA2E.80503@bresnan.net> <4C110ECA.5040007@bresnan.net> <4C1477C2.8040700@gmail.com> <638D6183-BE60-4F2D-9E39-25318B65813E@ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <638D6183-BE60-4F2D-9E39-25318B65813E@ucr.edu> Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 11:16:12 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14a1dc122291258626592 On 6/12/2010 11:22 PM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Moose wrote: > > = >> . >> >> Now I guess I will get to try out Capture One. :-) >> = > There=92s also SilkyPix which some people swear by. > = And some others swear at. It doesn't have the best reputation overall, = with stories of a quirky interface and bugs. In any case, the only reason I'll try Capture One is if, as advertised, = I can get a copy free by being an owner of Expression Media 2. If = SilkyPix offered me a free, full version, I might give it a try, too. I don't feel the need for a new RAW converter, but am willing to try = things out on occasion. RawTherapee seems to be pretty capable in many = ways, but the GUI tends toward the obscure and it's slow in some = operations. A new GUI is in Alpha, but I haven't looked at it yet. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 11:22:38 2010 Received: (qmail 9964 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 09:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 09:22:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65B5E180AA for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6315E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC92DE4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF28E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23049 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jun 2010 09:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 09:22:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4C14A354.30701@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:22:28 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 11:22:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14a35e102501879814018 On 6/10/2010 9:08 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html > Nice. I caught a bumble bee at work Thursday on a day trip to Point Reyes NS. We got a day without fog, but lots of wind. The image is cropped to hide my hand holding the stem. I would guess the wind at 15 mph, gusting to 30+. The bloom was moving maybe two feet as it swayed back and forth with the wind. A fast shutter speed can stop the motion, but not keep it in focus. The G11 lens/sensor aren't bad at full pixel. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 11:26:23 2010 Received: (qmail 13818 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 09:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 09:26:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A557BE180B3 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBF7E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BBDE47218 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB495E4720F for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 11:26:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14a43f226321006886880 lovely OoF area/framing and sharpness is there to nice catch and colours Bien cordialement Philippe Le 13 juin 10 =E0 11:22, Moose a =E9crit : > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 11:28:37 2010 Received: (qmail 7544 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 09:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 09:28:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA73EE180B3 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 11:28:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14a4c569111234514069 Thanks Chuck Happy you liked it I've been trying to find another Dragonfly since, and get better/ = sharper takes, no way ... Thanks again Philippe in Metz Le 12 juin 10 =E0 03:56, Chuck Norcutt a =E9crit : > > I like the detail showing the leg hairs in 971 and I don't believe = > I've > ever seen an insect cast a shadow... through a leaf as in 984. Well = > done. > > Chuck Norcutt > > philippe.amard wrote: >> The flower is here >> http://tinyurl.com/368john >> >> More of the stealthy insect with Angenieux 70 x 3 >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1= 000971.jpg.html >> >> and a last one with Oly ZD 50-200 >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1= 000984.jpg.html >> >> >> Have a nice weekend all >> Bien cordialement de Metz >> Philippe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> NO ARCHIVE >> >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > NO ARCHIVE -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 12:05:49 2010 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 10:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 10:05:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C2BE1809F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256CFE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D2E47218 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DF3E4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so2930429wyi.20 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.136.16 with SMTP id p16mr4152313wbt.151.1276423539314; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm26501498wba.9.2010.06.13.03.05.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:05:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4C14A354.30701@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C14A354.30701@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 12:05:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14ad7d105692013633067 Yes, that is pretty impressive, Moose. Chris On 13 Jun 2010, at 10:22, Moose wrote: > > I caught a bumble bee at work Thursday on a day trip to Point Reyes NS. > We got a day without fog, but lots of wind. The image is cropped to hide > my hand holding the stem. I would guess the wind at 15 mph, gusting to > 30+. The bloom was moving maybe two feet as it swayed back and forth > with the wind. A fast shutter speed can stop the motion, but not keep it > in focus. > > > The G11 lens/sensor aren't bad at full pixel. > > > Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 13:48:58 2010 Received: (qmail 28442 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 11:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 11:48:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD6FE1809F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBEDE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBE934AC02B for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7A934AC028 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17743 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jun 2010 11:48:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100613-0, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Can't get Olympus Viewer 2 to open X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 13:48:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14c5aa62381234514069 I don't understand how it is that I'm seen as using ACR as an editor. I use ACR principally for exposure and white balance adjustments and rarely venture off the main control panel. I have on rare occasion used the straighten tool (since it's easier than PS) but, apart from the implicit crop of the straighten tool I've never cropped an image in ACR. I also used the retouch tool once to fix dust spots in the sky on a number of my Death Valley images. It's quick and easy to do at that point if you're processing a bunch of images... assuming they're suitable for an automated fix. My normal processing method is to first review a set of raw files and delete the duds or, if there's some possibility I might want to retrieve the image later on, put them into a folder called "Discards". I next process all the raw files for exposure and white balance, append an "e" to the file name (meaning "exposure adjusted") and place the output into a folder called "Converted". Should any be deemed suitable for actual display on screen or in print they'll receive a pass through PS for retouching, cropping, re-sizing and sharpening. The most recent example being a self-portrait of me and my wife shot in our living room. Try as I might I couldn't get rid of the excessive glare in her glasses. Hard to do when you're sitting in the subject's seat and not behind the camera. Anticipating the trouble I took some extra shots without her glasses and then used PS to copy her eyes and surround from the no glasses shot to the glasses shot. But even things that don't require layers work all pass through PhotoShop first. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > > On 6/10/2010 12:53 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> ... I only know that if the Canon software did a better conversion >> than ACR I still wouldn't use it because the interface sucks in >> comparison. > > So much depends on what one uses them for, and how. You use ACR, from > my viewpoint, as both image processor and editor. I only use it to > process RAW file into PS, where I do all the process/editing but WB > and exposure related adjustments. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 13:55:52 2010 Received: (qmail 22375 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 11:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 11:55:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DAAE18092 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9442FE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750C734AC026 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1281034AC025 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20877 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jun 2010 11:55:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100613-0, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 13:55:52 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14c748211364877110844 Amazing considering the wind. These little cameras also do an amazing job on depth of field, especially considering that it's shot at f/4. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > On 6/10/2010 9:08 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming >> over the Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. >> >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html >> > > Nice. > > I caught a bumble bee at work Thursday on a day trip to Point Reyes > NS. We got a day without fog, but lots of wind. The image is cropped > to hide my hand holding the stem. I would guess the wind at 15 mph, > gusting to 30+. The bloom was moving maybe two feet as it swayed back > and forth with the wind. A fast shutter speed can stop the motion, > but not keep it in focus. > > > > The G11 lens/sensor aren't bad at full pixel. > > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 13:57:58 2010 Received: (qmail 7982 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 11:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 11:57:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909EDE180A3 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A1EE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47769E47218 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:57:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10B7E4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:57:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21870 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jun 2010 11:57:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100613-0, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 13:57:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14c7c6158949730998309 I forgot to ask whether you know what the flower is. Maybe not so unusual on the Pacific coast but very unusual looking from this distance. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, that is pretty impressive, Moose. > > Chris > > On 13 Jun 2010, at 10:22, Moose wrote: > >> I caught a bumble bee at work Thursday on a day trip to Point Reyes NS. >> We got a day without fog, but lots of wind. The image is cropped to hide >> my hand holding the stem. I would guess the wind at 15 mph, gusting to >> 30+. The bloom was moving maybe two feet as it swayed back and forth >> with the wind. A fast shutter speed can stop the motion, but not keep it >> in focus. >> >> >> The G11 lens/sensor aren't bad at full pixel. >> >> >> Moose >> -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 14:50:30 2010 Received: (qmail 16709 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 12:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 12:50:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873B0E1808B for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783CDE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7A834AC026 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8F734AC025 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkFAJpwFEzKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSZI0GvQWFGgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,410,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="5188041" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 00:50:01 +1200 Received: from [111.69.244.5] (5.244.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.244.5]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E3A20240 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:50:00 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:49:28 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C157C98.4821.3006AD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100613-0, 13/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 14:50:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c14d416231411258626592 Hi all, I don't want to prolong this discussion un-necessarily; but, yes, I did try the "have you got a slow connection" "basic" link. Still didn't work for me. Not to worry. I use Opera browser ( not one of the "10' versions which suck bigtime, but one of the 9 series). It tells me how fast (in bytes/sec) pages are loading. Even though (when I click on my modem icon) the modem tells me that I am connected at 32 / 40 / 56 kbps or whatever, Opera often tells me that the actual page is loading at 800bps, 1.2 kbps or that level of speed. Oh dear! So it seems that the copper wires / telecom machines are grossly overloaded. Thanks to Chuck & Ken for the explanations. As for web page design. I do my own in pretty basic html. Javascript requires more brain-power & time than I am prepared to invest in learning, and the latest incarnations of CSS the same. The only javascript that I use is the image-swapping one that GeeBee uses in one of his self-portraits ( he also uses a clever method of getting multiple colour bands in table borders), and I don't use CSS at all now. I was never able to get it to work very well, and I DID spend a lot of time trying to learn it from a book written by CSS pioneers. Life is too short for banging ones head against a brick wall. What with partner illness and hospital time for her, as well as getting this house sorted ( and some winter weather that sucks) I have done little serious photography for ages now, and no change in my photography site. By the way, Andris Apse, the noted New Zealand landscape photographer, was awarded a pretty prestigious honour in the Queen's Birthday honour list last weekend. To those outside the British Empire system this may not mean anything - but it is a system which rewards people in a non-monetary way; At the extreme, a person my be awarded a Knighthood or Damehood ( depending on gender (not sex!)) so that they are legally entitled to use the word "Sir" or "Dame" in front of their name. The"Labour" government in NZ abolished knighthoods a few years ago then the current "National" (read "Liberal" or "more capitalist") government restored the system a couple of years ago. Other honours do not involve a new word in front of ones name, so are less impressive. >From later this morning I will be out of reach by 'puter for a few days. Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 15:35:51 2010 Received: (qmail 14821 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 13:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 13:35:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFCEE180A8 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1768BE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F7FE47427 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B15E47223 for ; 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Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee > On 6/10/2010 9:08 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> Each morning I look out the kitchen window and see bees swarming over the >> Nandina blooms. Today, I managed to catch one in the act. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee.jpg.html >> > > Nice. > > I caught a bumble bee at work Thursday on a day trip to Point Reyes NS. > We got a day without fog, but lots of wind. The image is cropped to hide > my hand holding the stem. I would guess the wind at 15 mph, gusting to > 30+. The bloom was moving maybe two feet as it swayed back and forth > with the wind. A fast shutter speed can stop the motion, but not keep it > in focus. > > > The G11 lens/sensor aren't bad at full pixel. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 17:49:51 2010 Received: (qmail 18997 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 15:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 15:49:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F276FE180B7 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068AFE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE79FE47435 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDC2E47434 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7116 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jun 2010 15:49:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100613-1, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 18:03:09 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c15013d97995034211378 Sorry to hear about your partner's ills and hope she's soon recovered. As to the low data rate you are actually seeing vs. the connection speed you need to realize that this may be the effect of multiple slow links between you and the source or it may be due to error recovery (or both). The transmission will include extra bits called ECC bits (Error Check & Correction) that first will determine whether any of the bits have made unauthorized changes in gender. If the number of erroneous bits is small the ECC data contains sufficient information to correct the error on the spot. If too large the transmission has to be rejected and a request is sent to repeat it. If the signal line is very noisy you may get too much of this stuff which will slow your effective bit rate to a crawl. Given 40 or 50 year old phone lines with deteriorating insulation, corroded and loose connections, etc, etc. it's sometimes amazing that we get any working communications at all. :-) I just heard AG sigh and mutter to himself. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > > I use Opera browser ( not one of the "10' versions which suck bigtime, but > one of the 9 series). It tells me how fast (in bytes/sec) pages are loading. > Even though (when I click on my modem icon) the modem tells me that I am > connected at 32 / 40 / 56 kbps or whatever, Opera often tells me that the > actual page is loading at 800bps, 1.2 kbps or that level of speed. Oh dear! > > So it seems that the copper wires / telecom machines are grossly > overloaded. Thanks to Chuck & Ken for the explanations. > > > > What with partner illness and hospital time for her, as well as getting this > house sorted ( and some winter weather that sucks) I have done little > serious photography for ages now, and no change in my photography site. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 21:08:38 2010 Received: (qmail 16830 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 19:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 19:08:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25F7E180A3 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223DE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF17E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82F1E4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6950 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 19:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.106?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 19:08:27 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:25 +0200 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 8/6/2010: aim low X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 21:08:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c152cb5295887801554290 As I watch Germany maul Australia in the World Cup, I am inspired to post this picture which I took in Munich earlier this week: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#899600323_kFSSy-O-LB Cheers :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jun 13 22:22:18 2010 Received: (qmail 1934 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 20:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 20:22:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72BAE1808E for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57401E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD2534AC026 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE16E34AC025 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20797 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jun 2010 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jun 2010 20:22:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4C153DF1.6000202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:22:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100613-1, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 8/6/2010: aim low X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jun 13 22:22:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c153dfa136591073733319 That's a real pisser! :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As I watch Germany maul Australia in the World Cup, I am inspired to > post this picture which I took in Munich earlier this week: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#899600323_kFSSy-O-LB > > > Cheers :-) > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: > http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: > http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 00:22:38 2010 Received: (qmail 20985 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 22:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 22:22:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C16CE180B9 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B715FE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CE7E47223 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672C5E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3462401iwn.20 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.141.15 with SMTP id k15mr4805949ibu.161.1276467749921; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C150136.5060004@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C157C98.4821.3006AD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4C150136.5060004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:22:29 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pFuhS6kWVic2Z1H9JzQ6p1kVFOk Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 00:22:38 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c155a2e269327801554290 > Given 40 or 50 year old phone lines with deteriorating insulation, > corroded and loose connections, etc, etc. it's sometimes amazing that we > get any working communications at all. =A0:-) > > I just heard AG sigh and mutter to himself. Most copper bundles over 25 years old use paper insulation. Not a problem, really, unless it happens to be an air-core cable and the compressor dies. Air-core cables are literally air-filled cables which keeps moisture out by pushing pressurized air into the cable at the central office. We used to use lead covers on the cables. Easy to repair. When a leak developed someplace, just walk this microphone trolley along the cable till you heard the hissing and then go on up with a soldering iron to patch the hole. Worked pretty good. But unfortunately squirrels learned to like the flavor of lead and would chew it up. That's why they got even more whacky. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 00:38:04 2010 Received: (qmail 2026 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 22:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 22:38:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D20E180B8 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAE9E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98405E47218 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D188FE4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21862 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 22:37:53 -0000 Message-Id: <132C38C5-E82F-4546-B840-2E2B14019498@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:37:52 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 8/6/2010: aim low X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 00:38:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c155dcc152776107113666 Sigh - I was going to watch it about now as I'd recorded it (wasn't getting up at 4:30am!) but now you've spoiled. At least we're there, which is amazing given that it's the fourth most popular code of football in this country - or possibly equal third these days. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/06/2010, at 5:08 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As I watch Germany maul Australia in the World Cup -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 00:52:35 2010 Received: (qmail 8809 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2010 22:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 22:52:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03301E180AD for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5632BE240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B5CE4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F04E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3480066iwn.20 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.210.19 with SMTP id gi19mr5525654ibb.140.1276469547784; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C1399A0.8000807@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4C1399A0.8000807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:52:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nGbaghF7q1pf_Os7XPR3YXYZ51E Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] In search of villains, was: web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 00:52:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c15613344875034211378 Chuck wrote: > Chris is apparently looking for villains where there are none. =A0Yes, > there is a law in the US restricting analog telephone modems to, not 56 > kbps, but 53.3 kbps. =A0The reason has to do with preventing cross-talk at > the higher voltage required to actually get to 56 kbps. The Wikipedia explanation is a little convoluted and poorly written. It has nothing to do with higher voltage or crosstalk. At the voice-switch, the signal is processed through an AD/DA converter. This creates a hard bandpass filtering. The exact amount of bandwidth is limited to a DS0 minus overhead. As this is a fully switched environment your signal is 100% isolated through TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) from any other signal. The copper pairs themselves are not limited to 3khz in any way shape or form. In fact, even the original ADSL format utilizes frequencies as high a 1mHz. An HDSL (4-wire T1) will commonly interfere with or be interferred with the original analog television channel 3 audio broadcast. I think that's 1.44mHz. > Now about DSL. =A0DSL stands for Digital Subscriber Line. =A0Which simply > means that the phone company has converted your personal DSL line from a > 3 kHz analog line to a digital line with something much more than 64 > kbps capacity on your end. =A0That means they had to change the switching > system for your line and also means that your connection takes up some > multiple of those 64 kbps digital lines. No changing out systems. The DSL system is what we call an "overlay" technology. Inotherwords, it leaves the existing system in place and just adds this on top of what is already there. At the house, you have a dsl filter which removes the dsl noise from the telephone handset, and at the central office there is a splitter (same as the dsl filter) that peels off the dsl and sends to to the dslam while putting the voice-only signal on the line-card of the voice switch. Now, however, we are dealing with VoIP, which is another critter altogether. Trust me, VoIP isn't anywhere near as good as POTS. It's failings are so numerous on so many levels. The only advantage to VoIP over POTS is stat-muxing and the fact that packets are routable without the SS7 control network. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 02:48:48 2010 Received: (qmail 28404 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB42E180A6 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61883E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A52DE4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C15DE47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3513 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 00:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 00:48:34 -0000 Message-Id: <45A2DF5A-EB5C-4B97-A18D-FB0EE19EF6F8@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:48:34 +1000 References: <4C1399A0.8000807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] In search of villains, was: web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 02:48:48 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c157c70307891258626592 No, the advantage of VOIP is the low cost to consumer. :-) (Damn all this techie talk!) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/06/2010, at 8:52 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > The only advantage to VoIP > over POTS is stat-muxing and the fact that packets are routable > without the SS7 control network. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 02:54:06 2010 Received: (qmail 26245 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A04E180BB for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605B5E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECFE34AC026 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A38134AC025 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 17:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13071 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jun 2010 00:53:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 100613-2, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 02:54:06 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c157dae98521234514069 Uh, oh! It's actually worse than I thought! :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Given 40 or 50 year old phone lines with deteriorating insulation, >> corroded and loose connections, etc, etc. it's sometimes amazing that we >> get any working communications at all. :-) >> >> I just heard AG sigh and mutter to himself. > > > Most copper bundles over 25 years old use paper insulation. Not a > problem, really, unless it happens to be an air-core cable and the > compressor dies. > > Air-core cables are literally air-filled cables which keeps moisture > out by pushing pressurized air into the cable at the central office. > We used to use lead covers on the cables. Easy to repair. When a leak > developed someplace, just walk this microphone trolley along the cable > till you heard the hissing and then go on up with a soldering iron to > patch the hole. Worked pretty good. But unfortunately squirrels > learned to like the flavor of lead and would chew it up. That's why > they got even more whacky. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 04:01:17 2010 Received: (qmail 22372 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 02:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 02:01:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AC3E1808B for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2B5E240E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70CDE4720F for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43641E47202 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9500 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jun 2010 02:01:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jun 2010 02:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4C158D65.3010800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:01:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C1399A0.8000807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100613-2, 06/13/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] In search of villains, was: web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 04:01:17 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c158d6d149221879814018 And I thought I had done well. I distrusted the Wikipedia description so did (I thought) my due diligence and cross-checked it. I found someone who disputed the voltage as the cause of the limit but almost immediately found another page which gave a rather involved technical explanation of why voltage and cross-talk was the problem. So I accepted what was there. Sounded at least as convincing as you. :-) But I reject your comment about copper pairs. Not that it's wrong but just that it's immaterial to the design of a modem designed for the analog voice telephone system that is limited to 3 kHz... or maybe it's 5 kHz. Whatever, it's definitely slow, wire speed notwithstanding. And maybe the existing system is left in place for DSL but that's assuming it's not the same system that was installed in 1958. I recently did convert to VoIP and am very happy. But when I wanted to wire my VoIP modem into the house wiring what I discovered was not a Bell System Network Interface Unit (already ancient technology) but a good old Western Electric lighting protector and a falling off ground wire. As to VoIP... it give me a good clean signal, costs only half as much as POTS and gives me many more features to boot. I'm a happy camper. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Chuck wrote: >> Chris is apparently looking for villains where there are none. Yes, >> there is a law in the US restricting analog telephone modems to, not 56 >> kbps, but 53.3 kbps. The reason has to do with preventing cross-talk at >> the higher voltage required to actually get to 56 kbps. > > The Wikipedia explanation is a little convoluted and poorly written. > It has nothing to do with higher voltage or crosstalk. At the > voice-switch, the signal is processed through an AD/DA converter. This > creates a hard bandpass filtering. The exact amount of bandwidth is > limited to a DS0 minus overhead. As this is a fully switched > environment your signal is 100% isolated through TDM (Time Division > Multiplexing) from any other signal. > > The copper pairs themselves are not limited to 3khz in any way shape > or form. In fact, even the original ADSL format utilizes frequencies > as high a 1mHz. An HDSL (4-wire T1) will commonly interfere with or be > interferred with the original analog television channel 3 audio > broadcast. I think that's 1.44mHz. > >> Now about DSL. DSL stands for Digital Subscriber Line. Which simply >> means that the phone company has converted your personal DSL line from a >> 3 kHz analog line to a digital line with something much more than 64 >> kbps capacity on your end. That means they had to change the switching >> system for your line and also means that your connection takes up some >> multiple of those 64 kbps digital lines. > > No changing out systems. The DSL system is what we call an "overlay" > technology. Inotherwords, it leaves the existing system in place and > just adds this on top of what is already there. At the house, you have > a dsl filter which removes the dsl noise from the telephone handset, > and at the central office there is a splitter (same as the dsl filter) > that peels off the dsl and sends to to the dslam while putting the > voice-only signal on the line-card of the voice switch. > > Now, however, we are dealing with VoIP, which is another critter > altogether. Trust me, VoIP isn't anywhere near as good as POTS. It's > failings are so numerous on so many levels. The only advantage to VoIP > over POTS is stat-muxing and the fact that packets are routable > without the SS7 control network. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 09:40:05 2010 Received: (qmail 13951 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 07:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 07:40:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732E3E180A6 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BB7E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8520934AC027 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A5934AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17901 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 07:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.38.32.84) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 14 Jun 2010 07:39:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:39:52 +0200 Message-Id: <9D2CC2AB-D7F3-4AC6-BD44-8F5AE3D757DE@frozenlight.eu> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 09:40:05 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c15dcd549651258626592 Yes, it looks good, and despite using Flash, it is a nice gallery, and the content is superb. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog YNWA On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Good job, Bob. Makes me want to come out yoiur way just to see it. > > AG > > On Wednesday, June 9, 2010, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Well, after much ado, Whitmire Gallery finally has opened its doors in >> Round Pond. It's a work in progress, but then it wouldn't be any fun >> if it weren't. The jury is still out on how many patrons we will >> attract this season. No one will venture a guess. >> >> Additionally, I've spent some time revising my website. The www.bobwhitmire.com >> is now the active site, but if you're used to bwp33.com, that'll >> take you where you need to go. Would be interested in comments and >> criticisms. I apologize in advance because I _know_ it's not going to >> suit every browser. I've done what I can to keep it simple, but I know >> that's not enough. The only suggestion I can offer is that if it looks >> weird, try resizing your browser window to see if it'll get better. >> >> Thanx for looking! >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bobwhitmire.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 11:04:04 2010 Received: (qmail 26258 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 09:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 09:04:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBDCE180AC for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77DE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7C834AC02D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4064534AC028 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f175.google.com (mail-yx0-f175.google.com [209.85.213.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxt3 with SMTP id 3so601285yxt.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.224.79 with SMTP id in15mr2124497qcb.254.1276506238493; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.206 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:03:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9D2CC2AB-D7F3-4AC6-BD44-8F5AE3D757DE@frozenlight.eu> References: <9D2CC2AB-D7F3-4AC6-BD44-8F5AE3D757DE@frozenlight.eu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:03:58 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 11:04:04 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c15f084301431234514069 On Monday, June 14, 2010, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Yes, it looks good, and despite using Flash, it is a nice gallery, and the content is superb. Flash? Does it perhaps redirect, because it works on my iPhone which, as has recently been discussed (along with the iPad and iPod Touch), doesn't do Flash? Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 12:46:29 2010 Received: (qmail 5244 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 10:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 10:46:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19868E180A4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FBDE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B420DE47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00F8E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so2436782gwa.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.130.8 with SMTP id h8mr4476270ann.36.1276512378964; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.4.3 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:46:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C13F16D.22990.2B5666F@bj.caverock.net.nz> <008a01cb0a1a$e8c8c3d0$ba5a4b70$@com.au> <20100612162048.GA87081@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> <2C7499FB-C37D-49CC-AF19-4D48A38C366C@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:46:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Sg01TKM7hjpEItrC0sh-UxeTjHE Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) web-pages: Flash or html ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 12:46:29 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16088560431073733319 I'm interested in what you're testing? Ref: http://tinyurl.com/27d52x7 br jez On 12 June 2010 20:04, Ken Norton wrote: > currently testing one which will deliver up to 1gbps up to > 3000 meters over copper pairs. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 13:23:28 2010 Received: (qmail 28379 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 11:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 11:23:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C35FE180A0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B50E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EC334AC025 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:23:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C4E34AC027 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:23:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 1 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:37:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C14FE18.6030202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:23:13 +0200 References: <4C1472A5.3030802@gmail.com> <4C14FE18.6030202@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 13:23:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16113046462517112723 Chuck and Joel, you are right that the focus was very intentionally not on the face. This was not a portrait, and if my 90mm could have opened up to 1.4 I would have. Both the identity of the man, as well as the car, are meant to be vague and suggestive. It's all about the juxtaposition for me. Only the man's shoes, and (partially) the coins and notes he has gathered though his begging, are in focus. Moose, you make strong points as ever, and of course it's all about *intent* at the end of the day. I can probably think of a number of philosophical reasons why I chose to focus on his lower legs and his money, both the things that will "carry" him in this divided world. On the other hand, taking that too far can sound too pretentious, as an image like this is composed and focused in literally a second or two. Suffice it to say, that the focus is precisely where I wanted it :-) Thanks for looking, all Dawid On 13 Jun 2010, at 5:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I tend to agree with Moose on this one but I think the photographer's > choice of focus is deliberate and I wait to hear his reasoning. = > Still, > I'd have chosen the face as the point of focus. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Moose wrote: >> >>> On 6/10/2010 12:32 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: >>>> The gap between rich and poor have never been - even in our = >>>> troubled past here in South Africa - been as great as it is now. = >>>> I generally don't like photographing unfortunate people, and = >>>> tried here not to focus as much on the sitting man, as on the = >>>> contrast of him and the scene behind him. >>>> >>>> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/161/d/5/The_Gap_by_philosomatog= rapher.jpg >>>> (OM-1, 90mm at f/2.0, Ilford FP4+, 8x10in analogue print) >>>> >>> Nicely seen and captured. Still, your m=E9tier of very shallow plane = >>> of >>> focus requires great care in focusing and has, to my eye, failed = >>> here. >>> The lower legs in focus and face soft doesn't really work for me. = >>> I'm >>> not sure I mind the soft face, but the part that's in focus seems = >>> wrong >>> to me >> >> To me the amount of focus on the man's face is just about perfect. = >> It would be difficult to get that by focusing anywhere else. I = >> might like to see the car a little more in focus to emphasize the = >> social comment, but that takes attention entirely away from the = >> man. Tough photographic problem, but I think to call the decision = >> a failure is far from obvious, at least to me. >> >> Joel W. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 13:56:37 2010 Received: (qmail 12565 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 11:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 11:56:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3BE180B7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E92E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE8F34AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B4334AC025 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so2789838fxm.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.189.140 with SMTP id t12mr360434hbh.172.1276516589420; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.174.66 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7489D213-0B79-43C5-B332-C0EC36A81BBD@sfr.fr> References: <7489D213-0B79-43C5-B332-C0EC36A81BBD@sfr.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: FF - Friday Flower, and host X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 13:56:37 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1618f5221391073733319 Well done Phillippe. I know from experience how hard it is to capture these guys and you have done it beautifully. Charlie On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, philippe.amard wrote: > The flower is here > http://tinyurl.com/368john > > More of the stealthy insect with Angenieux 70 x 3 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000971.jpg.html > > and a last one with Oly ZD 50-200 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1000984.jpg.html > > > Have a nice weekend all > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO ARCHIVE > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 13:59:18 2010 Received: (qmail 26288 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 11:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 11:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92230E180B4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF42E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8ECE47223 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2B6E47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so4030164wyi.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.159.20 with SMTP id r20mr2288105wek.62.1276516592895; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 94.197.140.164.threembb.co.uk ([94.197.140.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w18sm1191888weq.43.2010.06.14.04.56.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:56:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9D2CC2AB-D7F3-4AC6-BD44-8F5AE3D757DE@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New Gallery, Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 13:59:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16199684892013633067 No, it's the OHM theme from Chris Ricardet at rapid-ideas.com. He says that it's AJAX (asynchronous javascript and XML, or something). I pretty sure that AJAX is a Web 2 development. Chris On 14 Jun 2010, at 10:03, Marc Lawrence wrote: > On Monday, June 14, 2010, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Yes, it looks good, and despite using Flash, it is a nice gallery, and the content is superb. > > Flash? Does it perhaps redirect, because it works on my iPhone which, > as has recently been discussed (along with the iPad and iPod Touch), > doesn't do Flash? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 13:59:20 2010 Received: (qmail 4052 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 11:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 11:59:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133E8E1808F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A424E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6047934AC028 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C834AC027 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.222.116]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L40009106KNNY12@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:57:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C16194F.3040104@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:58:07 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> <4C122DAE.1060305@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C122DAE.1060305@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 13:59:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16199844745368819438 ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That's my interpretation of the following wording > ------------------------------------------------------ > AFFECTED PRODUCTS > EOS 5D Digital SLR cameras whose main mirror HAS DETACHED. > > User Support > We will repair and reinforce the mirror portion of the AFFECTED PRODUCTS > free of charge. If you own one of the affected products, please contact > our Customer Support Center. > ------------------------------------------------------ > > But I have just sent them an email asking for clarification and whether > they will apply the fix preemptively. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but >> you can't do preemptive upgrade. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >>> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >>> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >>> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >>> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >>> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> John Hermanson wrote: >>>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>>> >>>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 13:59:25 2010 Received: (qmail 17194 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 11:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 11:59:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9CCE180C2 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0F2E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788E934AC027 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AD534AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.222.116]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L4000FXH6LBAEX0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:58:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C161967.8070302@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:58:31 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> <4C122DAE.1060305@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C122DAE.1060305@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 13:59:25 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16199d193921413256596 Good idea, hope they allow that. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That's my interpretation of the following wording > ------------------------------------------------------ > AFFECTED PRODUCTS > EOS 5D Digital SLR cameras whose main mirror HAS DETACHED. > > User Support > We will repair and reinforce the mirror portion of the AFFECTED PRODUCTS > free of charge. If you own one of the affected products, please contact > our Customer Support Center. > ------------------------------------------------------ > > But I have just sent them an email asking for clarification and whether > they will apply the fix preemptively. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but >> you can't do preemptive upgrade. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >>> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >>> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >>> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >>> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >>> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> John Hermanson wrote: >>>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>>> >>>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 14:50:20 2010 Received: (qmail 25861 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 12:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 12:50:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D296E180CB for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22CDE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4543D34AC029 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F0F34AC028 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so4070551wwb.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.143 with SMTP id u15mr2140187wee.113.1276519810737; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 14:50:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16258c292851258626592 Weather here did not permit great outdoor fun, so I concentrated on photo work at the computer. I decided give the new Viewer a try and to take advantage of the fire sale on PhaseOne's CaptureOne -- which is touted by the Schnozz as the ne plus ultra of raw converters for Olympus. First, Viewer. If you don't have Studio 2, get Viewer 2. I can't tell the difference in operation or result. I want the $100 back I spent on Studio. If there is something Studio does that Viewer doesn't, I haven't found it or needed it, apparently. If you like Olympus for its color palette, this is the holy city. I'm not a big fan of batch processing raw files -- it's just not how I work -- so sorting and selecting with FastStone Image Viewer is just about perfect. Set up Studio or Viewer as an external editor in FS and it's easy to take the image right into Studio or Viewer, tweak it gingerly, and then adjust settings to open the image in Photoshop or whatever when you are done with Studio/Viewer. This takes a dozen clicks or so per image, but it's OK for me. CaptureOne I just don't understand. I really looked hard for the one or two features that would put it over the top. I do like it better than Lightroom as it fits my way of working better. It seems like it excels in situations where one has multiple images from the same setting at roughly the same exposure. Set up the recipe for one shot and batch the others. But they all do this, right? I guess I like the fact that it doesn't have a separate Library, but it does put folders all over the place, to which I object somewhat, although I could live with it if the result were truly better than the alternative. It has the ability to use different color setups. For example, I can use the generic E-3 setup for the E-3, and the result looks just about exactly the same as the result coming out of Studio. Bravo for that. Or I could select ACR or the setup for the E-1. If anyone likes ACR, it is available. I guess one could experiment endlessly with using E-1 or other profiles with the E-3. Haven't tried Canaan color yet, but I guess one could try that too. Within the color dialogues there is the ability to adopt different versions of the color to approximate the characteristics of film. The default seems to be "film standard" and there is an exaggerated version of this as well as a thinner version. There is also "linear." Film standard, the default, seems best to my eyes, or at least the one that matches Studio best. It is perhaps within these color dialogue settings that CaptureOne achieves its superiority, but it all seems like a pig in a poke to me. Naturally, PhaseOne, Lightroom, even Studio want to be the place where you do all of your image management. I am a tough customer because I just want to bring the image into Photoshop the best it can be and without harm for final tweaks. I might be tempted to finish up with Capture One because it integrates highlight/shadow adjustment, noise reduction, and sharpening very nicely into the process. But so does LR, no? Also Studio? The problem for me is that Capture One (and the rest too) doesn't do any of these things as well as dedicated products, particularly noise reduction and highlight/shadowing rendering. The tools are sufficient if the need is modest, but in those cases I probably wouldn't bother. The highlight/shadow tool in my very old version of PS is so much more subtle in use and effect. If the problem were worth the attention, I simply wouldn't use CaptureOne as my tool, knowing that there are better tools for the purpose. It ends up being a set of pointless features for me. Why include them if they are not top drawer? But in fairness, I don't fault Studio for including such tools. But apples for apples, CaptureOne doesn't improve on Studio for me in terms of any feature I would take home to mama. I am hoping someone can help me understand better how to get more out of CaptureOne. I've bought it now, so I guess I'll keep it around, but it's a blue Monday of buyer's remorse. Maybe that free thingie that comes along with it will cheer me up. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 15:01:00 2010 Received: (qmail 16650 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 13:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 13:00:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4BAE18092 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35A9E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA2C34AC029 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25134AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [173.77.222.116]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L4000E389H5HQH2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4C162801.10106@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:00:49 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C0F7073.1030105@gmail.com> <953B7966-3757-43CC-9BCC-AF1563E8B2B0@roadrunner.com> <4C0F97F5.7040500@chucknorcutt.com> <4C10D0A2.9000708@verizon.net> <4C10E123.6050901@chucknorcutt.com> <4C122828.90807@verizon.net> <4C140123.4060402@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4C140123.4060402@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Canon 5D mirror fix, was: Can I switch to digital? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 15:00:59 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16280b260425368819438 It's good their service policy is not set in stone as in "mirror has not fallen out so you can't get it done". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I emailed Canon and they have agreed to do a free, preemptive fix on the > mirror. They will email me a form to be sent with the camera and a UPS > label to take care of the shipping. Service requires 10-15 business > days from time of arrival so I'll be without the camera for some time. > i need the camera next weekend so I won't send it off until 6/22. That > means no 5D for July 4 but I don't think we're doing anything special > then. Looks like I'll have to get reacquainted with some other cameras. > :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> So they're saying IF your mirror falls off, you can get the service, but >> you can't do preemptive upgrade. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Thanks. I was aware of that service notice but so far my own 5D's >>> mirror has not fallen off and thus is not one of the "affected >>> products". I hope it stays that way. Your note did remind me to >>> inspect the mirror and I can't see any evidence of it coming loose. I >>> don't see any evidence of "clamps" on DPReview's photo of the 5D Mk II >>> mirror so they must have come up with a better adhesive. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> John Hermanson wrote: >>>> Speaking of the 5D, there is a service advisory from Canon stating that >>>> original production mirrors may come unglued from the mirror base and >>>> fall out. Updated 5Ds have some kind of mechanical clamps holding the >>>> mirror in place. Repair is done free. >>>> >>>> http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=PgComSmModDisplayAct&fcategoryid=215&modelid=11933&keycode=2112&id=55659 >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> I agree. It takes a FF view to get the larger and brighter view to help >>>>> with manual focus. But even my Canon 5D can't hold a candle to the size >>>>> and brightness of the view through an OM-1. But I don't consider it a >>>>> problem since I have come to throughly embrace autofocus lenses. The >>>>> only OM mount lenses I typically use these days are either very fast >>>>> (for a bright view) or else have very short focal lengths that lend >>>>> themselves to hyperfocal focusing methods for landscape. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>>>>> Agreed. Both my Nykons have viewfinders that offer a hell of a view, >>>>>> but the screens are optimized for autofocus, not manual. That said, >>>>>> after much experience, it's not so much of a problem anymore. You >>>>>> begin to sense when you've got it just right. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Bob Whitmire >>>>>> www.bobwhitmire.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Moose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the only thing that comes near is a FF DSLR. Even at that, the >>>>>>> 'view' is not the same, the standard screens not optimized for manual >>>>>>> focus and, according to folks here, the alternate screens still not >>>>>>> ideal. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 16:12:25 2010 Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE69E180BE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4654FE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB2034AC02B for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AFC34AC02A for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16613 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jun 2010 14:12:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jun 2010 14:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1638BE.3080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:12:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100614-0, 06/14/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 16:12:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1638c8243311612113968 Thanks for the feedback. I had been considering upgrading my old version of about 4 years ago since the upgrade was only about $50. But I pulled the old one up and tried it out and realized I didn't understand how it worked any more. As best I recall I didn't need any instruction at all to use most of the control panels on ACR. Operation was simply intuitive. Your feedback just ended the hesitation and put the nail back in Phase One's coffin for me. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Weather here did not permit great outdoor fun, so I concentrated on > photo work at the computer. I decided give the new Viewer a try and > to take advantage of the fire sale on PhaseOne's CaptureOne -- which > is touted by the Schnozz as the ne plus ultra of raw converters for > Olympus. > > First, Viewer. If you don't have Studio 2, get Viewer 2. I can't > tell the difference in operation or result. I want the $100 back I > spent on Studio. If there is something Studio does that Viewer > doesn't, I haven't found it or needed it, apparently. If you like > Olympus for its color palette, this is the holy city. I'm not a big > fan of batch processing raw files -- it's just not how I work -- so > sorting and selecting with FastStone Image Viewer is just about > perfect. Set up Studio or Viewer as an external editor in FS and it's > easy to take the image right into Studio or Viewer, tweak it gingerly, > and then adjust settings to open the image in Photoshop or whatever > when you are done with Studio/Viewer. This takes a dozen clicks or so > per image, but it's OK for me. > > CaptureOne I just don't understand. I really looked hard for the one > or two features that would put it over the top. I do like it better > than Lightroom as it fits my way of working better. It seems like it > excels in situations where one has multiple images from the same > setting at roughly the same exposure. Set up the recipe for one shot > and batch the others. But they all do this, right? I guess I like > the fact that it doesn't have a separate Library, but it does put > folders all over the place, to which I object somewhat, although I > could live with it if the result were truly better than the > alternative. > > It has the ability to use different color setups. For example, I can > use the generic E-3 setup for the E-3, and the result looks just about > exactly the same as the result coming out of Studio. Bravo for that. > Or I could select ACR or the setup for the E-1. If anyone likes ACR, > it is available. I guess one could experiment endlessly with using > E-1 or other profiles with the E-3. Haven't tried Canaan color yet, > but I guess one could try that too. > > Within the color dialogues there is the ability to adopt different > versions of the color to approximate the characteristics of film. The > default seems to be "film standard" and there is an exaggerated > version of this as well as a thinner version. There is also "linear." > Film standard, the default, seems best to my eyes, or at least the > one that matches Studio best. It is perhaps within these color > dialogue settings that CaptureOne achieves its superiority, but it all > seems like a pig in a poke to me. > > Naturally, PhaseOne, Lightroom, even Studio want to be the place where > you do all of your image management. I am a tough customer because I > just want to bring the image into Photoshop the best it can be and > without harm for final tweaks. I might be tempted to finish up with > Capture One because it integrates highlight/shadow adjustment, noise > reduction, and sharpening very nicely into the process. But so does > LR, no? Also Studio? The problem for me is that Capture One (and the > rest too) doesn't do any of these things as well as dedicated > products, particularly noise reduction and highlight/shadowing > rendering. The tools are sufficient if the need is modest, but in > those cases I probably wouldn't bother. The highlight/shadow tool in > my very old version of PS is so much more subtle in use and effect. > If the problem were worth the attention, I simply wouldn't use > CaptureOne as my tool, knowing that there are better tools for the > purpose. It ends up being a set of pointless features for me. Why > include them if they are not top drawer? > > But in fairness, I don't fault Studio for including such tools. But > apples for apples, CaptureOne doesn't improve on Studio for me in > terms of any feature I would take home to mama. > > I am hoping someone can help me understand better how to get more out > of CaptureOne. I've bought it now, so I guess I'll keep it around, > but it's a blue Monday of buyer's remorse. Maybe that free thingie > that comes along with it will cheer me up. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 16:23:44 2010 Received: (qmail 11222 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 14:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 14:23:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC8FE180C9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9ECE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92B834AC02D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7919034AC02B for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from cluster2.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Originating-IP: 98.127.182.244 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XfC6Q7VxQTLFt2Xgy8fJODRKa5ds1TyOAx2rEuiHTcs= c=1 sm=0 a=0E-WcJExTBgA:10 a=0qYQvVkOOIcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=1sG8CRzV9gXGCl5oyD4A:9 a=t1jfVa1TglILg-LSPZ8A:7 a=jN2Rgwt2lXIUGVXApK7X7c9dyb8A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rdb8QrofPRW2Qa/rOSMnwQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1412] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster2.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 5D/A7-28060-A6B361C4; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:23:38 +0000 Message-ID: <4C163B6B.1050503@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:23:39 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 16:23:44 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c163b70216152439112457 Joel, Thanks for all of this info! I really hope that Oly will get back to me with a fix for running Viewer 2. From what I've read, the difference (or one of the differences) between Viewer 2 and Studio 2 is the ability to shoot tethered which Studio 2 has and Viewer 2 does not. Have been out of town and had no time to toy around with any software since my last post so can't comment at all on CaptureOne. Candace On 6/14/2010 6:50 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: Weather here did not permit great outdoor fun, so I concentrated on photo work at the computer. I decided give the new Viewer a try and to take advantage of the fire sale on PhaseOne's CaptureOne -- which is touted by the Schnozz as the ne plus ultra of raw converters for Olympus. First, Viewer. If you don't have Studio 2, get Viewer 2. I can't tell the difference in operation or result. I want the $100 back I spent on Studio. If there is something Studio does that Viewer doesn't, I haven't found it or needed it, apparently. If you like Olympus for its color palette, this is the holy city. I'm not a big fan of batch processing raw files -- it's just not how I work -- so sorting and selecting with FastStone Image Viewer is just about perfect. Set up Studio or Viewer as an external editor in FS and it's easy to take the image right into Studio or Viewer, tweak it gingerly, and then adjust settings to open the image in Photoshop or whatever when you are done with Studio/Viewer. This takes a dozen clicks or so per image, but it's OK for me. CaptureOne I just don't understand. I really looked hard for the one or two features that would put it over the top. I do like it better than Lightroom as it fits my way of working better. It seems like it excels in situations where one has multiple images from the same setting at roughly the same exposure. Set up the recipe for one shot and batch the others. But they all do this, right? I guess I like the fact that it doesn't have a separate Library, but it does put folders all over the place, to which I object somewhat, although I could live with it if the result were truly better than the alternative. It has the ability to use different color setups. For example, I can use the generic E-3 setup for the E-3, and the result looks just about exactly the same as the result coming out of Studio. Bravo for that. Or I could select ACR or the setup for the E-1. If anyone likes ACR, it is available. I guess one could experiment endlessly with using E-1 or other profiles with the E-3. Haven't tried Canaan color yet, but I guess one could try that too. Within the color dialogues there is the ability to adopt different versions of the color to approximate the characteristics of film. The default seems to be "film standard" and there is an exaggerated version of this as well as a thinner version. There is also "linear." Film standard, the default, seems best to my eyes, or at least the one that matches Studio best. It is perhaps within these color dialogue settings that CaptureOne achieves its superiority, but it all seems like a pig in a poke to me. Naturally, PhaseOne, Lightroom, even Studio want to be the place where you do all of your image management. I am a tough customer because I just want to bring the image into Photoshop the best it can be and without harm for final tweaks. I might be tempted to finish up with Capture One because it integrates highlight/shadow adjustment, noise reduction, and sharpening very nicely into the process. But so does LR, no? Also Studio? The problem for me is that Capture One (and the rest too) doesn't do any of these things as well as dedicated products, particularly noise reduction and highlight/shadowing rendering. The tools are sufficient if the need is modest, but in those cases I probably wouldn't bother. The highlight/shadow tool in my very old version of PS is so much more subtle in use and effect. If the problem were worth the attention, I simply wouldn't use CaptureOne as my tool, knowing that there are better tools for the purpose. It ends up being a set of pointless features for me. Why include them if they are not top drawer? But in fairness, I don't fault Studio for including such tools. But apples for apples, CaptureOne doesn't improve on Studio for me in terms of any feature I would take home to mama. I am hoping someone can help me understand better how to get more out of CaptureOne. I've bought it now, so I guess I'll keep it around, but it's a blue Monday of buyer's remorse. Maybe that free thingie that comes along with it will cheer me up. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 17:16:35 2010 Received: (qmail 3031 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 15:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 15:16:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7063E18034 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A737EE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279C34AC02A for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B10F34AC028 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gy0-f175.google.com (mail-gy0-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyg10 with SMTP id 10so2657418gyg.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.117.41 with SMTP id p41mr6771795ybc.439.1276528587472; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C163B6B.1050503@bresnan.net> References: <4C163B6B.1050503@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:16:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RJ-EH3cyaD61hc2my3LacCYnoBU Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 17:16:35 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1647d3319651234514069 Different strokes, different folks... I personally do batch processing more often than not. The advantage to Lightroom and Capture One is the ability to apply a batch setting to multiple images and then tweak individual shots from there. You get to A-B compare images and adjust as necessary the individuals to correct for some oddity that snuck in. Once you get things "close enough" just tell it to develop the whole mess. If I take 20 pictures of something and want every single image to match, a tool like Lightroom or Capture One is invaluable. With Studio/Viewer, things aren't quite so simple. For some crazy reason, it doesn't let you easily adjust, compare, adjust, compare, batch apply, compare, tweek, then develop. You CAN do it, but it requires more button presses than Lightroom/Capture One/SilkyPix does. BTW, There is one great function of Studio, though, and I extensively tested it this weekend. I hooked the E-1 up to the laptop running Studio and changed the configuration of the laptop so a shut lid doesn't turn the computer off. Then I turned on VNC Server and with VNC running on the iPad, I was able to remote control the E-1 from anywhere my WiFi connection reached. So, my "go kit" for photographing birds at the Audubon Society facility outside Grinnell is the laptop, a WiFi router, the iPad, camera, lens, Firewire cable and tripod. Oh, and for me, since my laptop battery is shot, a deep-cycle marine battery with inverter. Oh, and a shower cap for the camera since birds tend to alight and poop on them. I'd rather not put my face up against bird droppings. The only rub is that when you press the on-screen button on the laptop, for some reason there is a delay of about 1 second before the shot is fired. This is a Studio/E-1 issue, and not a VNC concern. After the picture is taken it appears on the screen which is reflected on the iPad. I don't recall the delay being that bad before--I may have a driver or configuration issue. The delay for pressing buttons via VNC is very minimal--not really an issue at all. It takes up to two seconds for a full screen refresh to transmit to the iPad, but this is a WiFi speed issue more than anything. But in the case of the Audubon Society facility, I can go back and sit in the car if I want and remote control the camera. For those of you with fancy Canon gear with the remote control screen and live-view, the same options with VNC exist. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 18:02:40 2010 Received: (qmail 4198 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 16:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 16:02:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA61E180B8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D8E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5746D34AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A17D34AC025 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5EG2Pv3015253 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:02:25 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.dc9.b203a5d (56028) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d24.mail.aol.com (magic-d24.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.158]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD082-dadc4c16528391; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:02:11 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <4d33c.477bf2f2.3947ac83@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:02:11 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.183.200.121 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.158 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Free odd Olympus stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 18:02:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16529f160661357919056 I'm attempting to clear a tiny bit of stuff from my stash. What I'm offering for "Free" plus $2 for shipping is Olympus Variable Dioptric Adapter A for Olympus IS cameras. I have no idea of other applications. These are all new in box with instructions, complete with their original $35 price tags. The ones available are +2-0 (1 available), 0- -2 (2 available) and -2- -4 (5 available). If you need these, two will ship for the same $2 as one. Contact me off list, please. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 19:54:58 2010 Received: (qmail 8647 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 17:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 17:54:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0BE180D8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96FDE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88F3E47434 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A862E47427 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f175.google.com (mail-yx0-f175.google.com [209.85.213.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxt3 with SMTP id 3so871294yxt.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:54:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.162.12 with SMTP id k12mr7012642ybe.257.1276537788777; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:49:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: X-i6rkH1s_vyrSb0TWUSj5Ee3uI Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] iPad apps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 19:54:58 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c166cf262309730998309 Per Joel's recommendation, I spent my lunch money on ReaddleDocs. Definitely a worthwhile investment. I haven't explored all of what it can do yet, but it is just the app I was looking for to move files on and off the iPad and even access my files on Googledocs and a webdav drive. I'll give it four out of five schnozz prints on the camera LCD. $4.99 Another app worth a lunch or two of Ramen Noodles is Note Taker HD. This was written by Dan Brickland of VisiCalc fame. The only real weakness in this app so far is that it is the equivalent of a notepad, but doesn't allow the integration of notes, typed text and imported graphics as some of the apps have. For example, Sundry Notes does those things, but at the price of being tied into a "free service" which could disappear or be charged for overnight. Note Taker HD is a breeze to write on and doesn't tie you in with some third-party on-line service. For what it does, it is awesome, but like most iPad apps, it just barely gets by. I'll give it three out of five schnozz prints on the camera LCD. $4.99 As previously mentioned in another post, Emerald Observatory is the cat's meow of clocks. The rise and set times as well as compass headings of where the sun or moon will rise is worth the price of admission. I have to know arcane things like UTC and the various definitions of twilight. This app clearly informs you of those things. The fact that it uses NTP to sync to atomic clocks is another benefit, especially when you are trying to precisely time a sun or moon transit of the ISS. I'll give it five out of five schnozz prints on the camera LCD. $0.99 VNC. I'm currently running VNC lite. The full-blown version has additional keyboard keys (including the ctrl, alt, tab, etc.,). Five out of five schnozz prints on the camera LCD. A must have. $0.00 or $9.99 Topos2Go. Load up topographic maps on the iPad and use that for mapping in places where a WiFi connection doesn't reach. There is a free and paid version with more features. A bit on the slow side, but the program is pretty decent. Due to the speed issues and not all topos are in the library yet, I'll give this two schnozz prints on the camera LCD. The value of the program depends on whether or not you have a need for topo maps. $0.00 or $3.99 When it comes to DoF calculators, I've been trying two different ones. iDoF Calc and F-Stop. Both are free. Both give you just what you are spending. I'm going to list both as functional, but not very good. DOFMaster is slightly better (and I suspect more accurate), but these apps pale in comparison to DOFMaster LE which I have running on my Palm Pilot and Palm Centro. I wish I could give a higher rating to these. iDoF Calc at least remembers what your last selection was, but F-Stop forces you to reselect lens, distance, etc., every time you open the app. It's the typical issue of apps not knowing what they were doing. The moment you close it or link to something else, the information is dumped. Because of my familiarity with the Palm version of DOFMaster LE, I'm going to give all these apps no more than a single schnozz print on the camera LCD. Do they work? Well, yes, but, I am terribly disappointed. DOFMaster for the iPhone is $1.99, the others are a ripoff at $0.00 Some of us like staring up at the stars. An app called "Planets" is a nifty free app that gives you truly usable skycharts. Another similar app is Satellite Watcher. A bit limited on the database linkage, but usable. As they are free and functional without too many bad habits, I'll give them three schnozz prints on the camera LCD. $0.00 and $0.00 The iPhone, iTouch and iPad don't do Flash. That really stinks on so many levels. As a workaround, CloudBrowse runs a virtual computer environment which does do flash and passes the screen, keyboard and mouse info (along with audio) on to the portable device. It works, but is time and resource limited. This is a solution for when all else fails. Not ideal, but Apple put us in this box. There is no dedicated iPad app yet, so it runs the iPhone version instead. At most I give it one schnozz print on the camera LCD, but still consider this a must-have app for the iPhone/Touch/Pad. $0.00 Last for today is 3D Sun. This iPad app is simply terrific on so many levels. As the sun is starting to wake back up and some of us are aurora hunters, this is a must have app. Not many apps would I consider worth going out of your way for, but this is one of them. Without a doubt, the camera LCD is fully smudged with five out of five schnozz prints. $0.00 For those of you for whom the language barrier is a problem... The term "schnozz" means "nose". The more nose prints in this case, the better. AG Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 20:14:32 2010 Received: (qmail 17103 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 18:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 18:14:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A67DE18095 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B250FE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82ECE47218 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3259E47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1014293fga.8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.87.71.7 with SMTP id y7mr9840121fgk.63.1276539261579; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.83.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:14:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] iPad apps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 20:14:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c167188286736789618724 Ken, I expect this is helpful for anyone seriously thinking about a "device," but I have an immediate appreciation for a couple items you have reviewed. I'm gratified ReaddleDocs has appeared worth the doughsky. I have been using it for some actual serious work and it is naturally less than perfect when the IP address is changed, but it is not difficult to set it up again and as a network place when that happens. I believe that DropBox has been around a bit longer and is worth a look for a lot of the same input-output issues as Rdocs, but with DropBox you are tethered to a web site. Currently I have a customer looking at some photos to buy and I have been thinking about using it for an occasional photo gallery that doesn't get instantly broadcast to the world like Facebook or even Jalbum. Seems perfect for that and photos look good on and play nicely with the iPad. I'm looking forward to checking out some of those apps. Thanks again. Joel W. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Per Joel's recommendation, I spent my lunch money on ReaddleDocs. > Definitely a worthwhile investment. I haven't explored all of what it > can do yet, but it is just the app I was looking for to move files on > and off the iPad and even access my files on Googledocs and a webdav > drive. =A0I'll give it four out of five schnozz prints on the camera > LCD. $4.99 > > Another app worth a lunch or two of Ramen Noodles is Note Taker HD. > This was written by Dan Brickland of VisiCalc fame. The only real > weakness in this app so far is that it is the equivalent of a notepad, > but doesn't allow the integration of notes, typed text and imported > graphics as some of the apps have. For example, Sundry Notes does > those things, but at the price of being tied into a "free service" > which could disappear or be charged for overnight. Note Taker HD is a > breeze to write on and doesn't tie you in with some third-party > on-line service. For what it does, it is awesome, but like most iPad > apps, it just barely gets by. I'll give it three out of five schnozz > prints on the camera LCD. $4.99 > > As previously mentioned in another post, Emerald Observatory is the > cat's meow of clocks. The rise and set times as well as compass > headings of where the sun or moon will rise is worth the price of > admission. I have to know arcane things like UTC and the various > definitions of twilight. This app clearly informs you of those things. > The fact that it uses NTP to sync to atomic clocks is another benefit, > especially when you are trying to precisely time a sun or moon transit > of the ISS. I'll give it five out of five schnozz prints on the camera > LCD. $0.99 > > VNC. I'm currently running VNC lite. The full-blown version has > additional keyboard keys (including the ctrl, alt, tab, etc.,). Five > out of five schnozz prints on the camera LCD. A must have. =A0$0.00 or > $9.99 > > Topos2Go. Load up topographic maps on the iPad and use that for > mapping in places where a WiFi connection doesn't reach. There is a > free and paid version with more features. A bit on the slow side, but > the program is pretty decent. Due to the speed issues and not all > topos are in the library yet, I'll give this two schnozz prints on the > camera LCD. The value of the program depends on whether or not you > have a need for topo maps. $0.00 or $3.99 > > When it comes to DoF calculators, I've been trying two different ones. > iDoF Calc and F-Stop. Both are free. Both give you just what you are > spending. I'm going to list both as functional, but not very good. > DOFMaster is slightly better (and I suspect more accurate), but these > apps pale in comparison to DOFMaster LE which I have running on my > Palm Pilot and Palm Centro. I wish I could give a higher rating to > these. iDoF Calc at least remembers what your last selection was, but > F-Stop forces you to reselect lens, distance, etc., every time you > open the app. It's the typical issue of apps not knowing what they > were doing. The moment you close it or link to something else, the > information is dumped. Because of my familiarity with the Palm version > of DOFMaster LE, I'm going to give all these apps no more than a > single schnozz print on the camera LCD. Do they work? =A0Well, yes, but, > I am terribly disappointed. DOFMaster for the iPhone is $1.99, the > others are a ripoff at $0.00 > > Some of us like staring up at the stars. An app called "Planets" is a > nifty free app that gives you truly usable skycharts. Another similar > app is Satellite Watcher. A bit limited on the database linkage, but > usable. As they are free and functional without too many bad habits, > I'll give them three schnozz prints on the camera LCD. $0.00 and $0.00 > > The iPhone, iTouch and iPad don't do Flash. That really stinks on so > many levels. As a workaround, CloudBrowse runs a virtual computer > environment which does do flash and passes the screen, keyboard and > mouse info (along with audio) on to the portable device. It works, but > is time and resource limited. This is a solution for when all else > fails. Not ideal, but Apple put us in this box. There is no dedicated > iPad app yet, so it runs the iPhone version instead. At most I give it > one schnozz print on the camera LCD, but still consider this a > must-have app for the iPhone/Touch/Pad. $0.00 > > Last for today is 3D Sun. This iPad app is simply terrific on so many > levels. As the sun is starting to wake back up and some of us are > aurora hunters, this is a must have app. Not many apps would I > consider worth going out of your way for, but this is one of them. > Without a doubt, the camera LCD is fully smudged with five out of five > schnozz prints. $0.00 > > For those of you for whom the language barrier is a problem... The > term "schnozz" means "nose". The more nose prints in this case, the > better. > > AG Schnozz > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 21:26:30 2010 Received: (qmail 15661 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 19:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 19:26:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1472DE180B7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33377E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B3CE47434 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C47E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta02.eastlink.ca (mta02.eastlink.ca [24.224.136.13]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0L4000BVARK3NDK2@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:31:15 -0300 (ADT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAK4eFkwYWedR/2dsb2JhbACId5ZkwFUOhQwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,415,1272855600"; d="scan'208";a="230601941" Received: from blk-89-231-81.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.231.81]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:25:58 -0300 Message-id: <0D418F1B15914B26B3984FEF9E54F5E2@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C1472A5.3030802@gmail.com> <4C14FE18.6030202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:25:58 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7293 Subject: [OM] Adobe CS5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 21:26:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c168266210851234514069 I received an email flyer this pm from Adobe boosting the upcoming, or perhaps actual, release of their CS5 suite of programs. My ESET security / anti-virus / etc / etc program directed the incoming email straight into the SPAM folder !! Should anything be read into that :-) jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5196 (20100614) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 21:35:18 2010 Received: (qmail 24293 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 19:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 19:35:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B758E180A7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC212E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85CDE47427 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF42E47223 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.12]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2211.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BD62D7000093 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (41.173.70-86.rev.gaoland.net [86.70.173.41]) by msfrf2211.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 902167000099 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:35:10 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100614193510590.902167000099@msfrf2211.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:35:10 +0200 References: <7489D213-0B79-43C5-B332-C0EC36A81BBD@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: FF - Friday Flower, and host X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 21:35:18 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16847648001413256596 Thank you Charlie and all. This one was young (small too) and very nervous. I have known others that were more on the lazy side of the flower - = larger and apparently flattered to have their portrait made ;-) Luck also plays an important role on those occasions. Thanks again Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Le 14 juin 10 =E0 13:56, Charles Geilfuss a =E9crit : > > Well done Phillippe. I know from experience how hard it is to capture > these guys and you have done it beautifully. > > Charlie > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, philippe.amard = > wrote: > >> The flower is here >> http://tinyurl.com/368john >> >> More of the stealthy insect with Angenieux 70 x 3 >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1= 000971.jpg.html >> >> and a last one with Oly ZD 50-200 >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Libellule-2010-Blue-1= 000984.jpg.html >> >> >> >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 22:15:28 2010 Received: (qmail 28512 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 20:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 20:15:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D989E18099 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943EDE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5F9E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002D3E47223 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so4542027wwb.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.13 with SMTP id f13mr6250167wbv.179.1276546520612; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t15sm39416783wbc.23.2010.06.14.13.15.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:15:18 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [OM] iPad apps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 22:15:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c168de0181731234514069 You might want to try EverNote, Ken. It's great free, and probably fantastic paid for. Chris On 14 Jun 2010, at 18:49, Ken Norton wrote: > Per Joel's recommendation, I spent my lunch money on ReaddleDocs. > Definitely a worthwhile investment. I haven't explored all of what it > can do yet, but it is just the app I was looking for to move files on > and off the iPad and even access my files on Googledocs and a webdav > drive. I'll give it four out of five schnozz prints on the camera > LCD. $4.99 snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 22:18:24 2010 Received: (qmail 12974 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 20:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 20:18:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CF1E180A8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58D2E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3371E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D9AE47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20119 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jun 2010 20:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4C168E7F.7030100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C1472A5.3030802@gmail.com> <4C14FE18.6030202@chucknorcutt.com> <0D418F1B15914B26B3984FEF9E54F5E2@hudson> In-Reply-To: <0D418F1B15914B26B3984FEF9E54F5E2@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] Adobe CS5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 22:18:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c168e90172371560218263 On 6/14/2010 12:25 PM, John Hudson wrote: > I received an email flyer this pm from Adobe boosting the upcoming, or > perhaps actual, release of their CS5 suite of programs. > > My ESET security / anti-virus / etc / etc program directed the incoming > email straight into the SPAM folder !! > > Should anything be read into that :-) > Yes. Your email is vewy, vewy slow. I got that stuff from them weeks ago. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 23:08:39 2010 Received: (qmail 16913 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 21:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 21:08:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294D9E180BF for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2BEE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E5734AC027 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E308C34AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from vc-41-29-7-212.umts.vodacom.co.za ([41.29.7.212]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 610 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5E12D417-7A1A-43BF-9F46-06143363F6D1@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:08:22 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 23:08:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c169a5797153900897491 Hi Guys, I have finally decided to sell my 6x17cm camera and get a 4x5in one, instead of trying to get a 5x7in enlarger for B&W work in this format. I absolutely adore my 617S (it's a thing of beauty) and with slide or colour negative film, the image quality is astounding. I, however, am a B&W guy, and my enlarger only goes up to 4x5in. So I am selling this guy for precise what I bought it for. Somebody just listed the exact same thing on eBay for $1000 more, sans aluminium case that I am including. If you're in the market for such a camera, why not check it out? Detailed advert, picture, and samples on APUG: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum379/77987-linhof-technorama-617s-accessories.html regards, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 23:21:51 2010 Received: (qmail 20797 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 21:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 21:21:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC85FE180A9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF4E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA26E47223 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8BE4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so3207897ywh.31 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.203.27 with SMTP id f27mr5191429anq.239.1276550505313; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:21:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5E12D417-7A1A-43BF-9F46-06143363F6D1@solms.co.za> References: <5E12D417-7A1A-43BF-9F46-06143363F6D1@solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:21:45 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o9IKPolYIzgScp07ebbnlVsXJHg Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 23:21:51 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c169d6f233831946193717 Drool... alas, I'm going to try and find another 4*5 for pretty much the same reasons. AG -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jun 14 23:55:14 2010 Received: (qmail 15744 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34572E18034 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D828E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAF1E47218 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5F6E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5ELt0n4012444 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:55:00 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.d87.c5b42bf (34957) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA066-888d4c16a52e2f8; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:54:54 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: <7710.2277cef.3947ff2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:54:54 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.35.49 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 14 23:55:14 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16a542317121413256596 In a message dated 6/14/2010 4:21:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Drool... alas, I'm going to try and find another 4*5 for pretty much the same reasons. AG You'd think you would contact your local trouble maker when you got that itch. Or maybe just post your need to the list. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 00:03:32 2010 Received: (qmail 2793 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 22:03:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CF1E180B3 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13340E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC55E47435 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0D2E47434 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn5 with SMTP id 5so997682iwn.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.176.72 with SMTP id bd8mr6587869ibb.0.1276553004220; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:03:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7710.2277cef.3947ff2e@aol.com> References: <7710.2277cef.3947ff2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:03:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: l-UP73Hca2poqsXa4oPdrKnX7Kw Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 00:03:32 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16a734221633900897491 LOL. Let me see if that new job materializes first. We all lost an entire week of salary as part of the ownership change. No buying cameras or film this month. Ramen Noodles is the lunch theme for a while. AG On Monday, June 14, 2010, wrote: > > In a message dated 6/14/2010 4:21:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ken@zone-10.com=A0writes: > > Drool... > > alas, I'm going to try and find another 4*5 for =A0pretty much the same > reasons. > > AG > > > > > > You'd think you would contact your local trouble maker when you got that > itch. Or maybe just post your need to the list. =A0Bill =A0Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 00:39:19 2010 Received: (qmail 13779 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 22:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 22:39:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22012E180A8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E81EE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87C34AC02F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2DD34AC02D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5EMd05k010612 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:39:00 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.deb.b554d3f (45477) for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-mc06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC066-b1a54c16af7f64; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:38:55 -0400 From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:38:55 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 32.176.35.49 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 00:39:19 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16af9720881006886880 In a message dated 6/14/2010 5:03:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: We all lost an entire week of salary as part of the ownership change. Now, that is a unique approach to keeping the troops happy. Somebody went to the Attila the Hun school of management . . . and graduated with Honors. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 01:12:16 2010 Received: (qmail 7936 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2010 23:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 23:12:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E34E1809B for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6827BE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61702E4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E638DE47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5ENC12r029181; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:12:05 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:12:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Subject: [OM] IMG: Patterns X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 01:12:16 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16b75019429730998309 I purchased a couple of third party batteries for my Olys, so I put one in the E-510 to see how it worked. Seems to perform fine. This image was one of several that I made to see that the battery worked ok. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Patterns.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 03:32:46 2010 Received: (qmail 12340 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9C4E1808C for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BB6E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BA5E47223 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BB3E47218 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so4735718wwb.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.138 with SMTP id e10mr3078358wef.51.1276565558538; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.188.138 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:32:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C163B6B.1050503@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:32:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 03:32:46 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16d83e33781950411718 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Different strokes, different folks... Well, there's always that ... > I personally do batch processing more often than not. The advantage to > Lightroom and Capture One is the ability to apply a batch setting to > multiple images and then tweak individual shots from there. You get to > A-B compare images and adjust as necessary the individuals to correct > for some oddity that snuck in. Once you get things "close enough" just > tell it to develop the whole mess. If I take 20 pictures of something > and want every single image to match, a tool like Lightroom or Capture > One is invaluable. I realize that. But that wasn't what I was looking at, apples to apples. CaptureOne is *supposed* to have something that puts it in a category beyond the other converters, including Studio, with respect to color/exposure/all-round good looks. I had thought you had claimed this yourself. But when I mess with it, I can't come up with the goods. It's a fraud. I'm calling the cops! As to batch processing -- I defer to you I use batch actions to resize a bunch of images for the web. That's about it.. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 04:18:49 2010 Received: (qmail 11937 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 02:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 02:18:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90588E180C2 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B25E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE39E47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E7FE4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17769 invoked by uid 502); 15 Jun 2010 02:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2010 02:18:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4C16E2FA.6090804@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:18:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C163B6B.1050503@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Viewer, CaptureOne, and all that, again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 04:18:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16e309229301950411718 On 6/14/2010 6:32 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > ... CaptureOne is *supposed* to have something that puts it in a category beyond the other converters, Cachet ;-) I mean, it's got that black, different looking interface - and it's associated with very expensive, Professional, medium format cameras. So it must be special, no? > including Studio, with respect to color/exposure/all-round good looks. I had thought you had claimed this yourself. But when I mess with it, I can't come up with the goods. It's a fraud. I'm calling the cops! > Well, I'm not going to pay for it, but then again, I wasn't anyway. No reply yet from my sending of my Expression Media serial number to get a free copy. But then, it's only been one of the five business days they said it might take. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 04:21:34 2010 Received: (qmail 28022 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 02:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 02:21:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A0FE180A6 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF977E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE839E47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411A5E47427 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20705 invoked by uid 502); 15 Jun 2010 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (moose@24.130.24.207) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2010 02:21:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4C16E3A1.50103@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C14A354.30701@gmail.com> <32C27C44-7300-4A77-9D60-33090CDDDA4A@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <32C27C44-7300-4A77-9D60-33090CDDDA4A@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 04:21:34 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16e3ae67471073733319 On 6/13/2010 2:26 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > lovely OoF area/framing and sharpness is there too nice catch and colours > On 6/13/2010 3:05 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, that is pretty impressive, Moose. > On 6/13/2010 4:55 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Amazing considering the wind. These little cameras also do an amazing job on depth of field, especially considering that it's shot at f/4. Thanks, guys. As to DOF/OOF, there is just a hint of post processing. The OOF areas were just a bit edgy for my taste and have been "mellowed" with just a small amount of blur Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 05:00:31 2010 Received: (qmail 20502 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 03:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 03:00:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945FEE1809E for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACBBE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A754AE47202 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2BE4720F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19820 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jun 2010 03:00:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2010 03:00:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4C16ECC7.80707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:00:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100614-1, 06/14/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 05:00:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16eccf631234514069 Nice work. A beautiful image from the ordinary. But watch out for those 3rd party batteries. Some of them can burn you. Literally. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > I purchased a couple of third party batteries for my Olys, so I put > one in the E-510 to see how it worked. Seems to perform fine. This > image was one of several that I made to see that the battery worked > ok. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Patterns.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 05:36:15 2010 Received: (qmail 23243 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27F2E180A9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C290E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F3234AC035 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B412534AC029 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.213.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o5F3a22N003513 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:36:06 GMT Message-ID: <40CAADB92D24493EBF52BA115C97F1CF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4C16ECC7.80707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:36:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 05:36:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c16f52f239115034211378 Thanks, Chuck. That's why they are going into the E-510, rather than my E-1. The one review that I found on them indicated he had not had any problems with them. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns > Nice work. A beautiful image from the ordinary. But watch out for > those 3rd party batteries. Some of them can burn you. Literally. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I purchased a couple of third party batteries for my Olys, so I put >> one in the E-510 to see how it worked. Seems to perform fine. This >> image was one of several that I made to see that the battery worked >> ok. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Patterns.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 07:20:21 2010 Received: (qmail 23923 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 05:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 05:20:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B39E180A9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069FDE240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05FA3610001 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574DC34AC026 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2809 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 05:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.38.118.127) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2010 05:20:09 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:20:07 +0200 Message-Id: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 07:20:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c170d9526511073733319 A mixed bag of Boston and New York pictures, starting immodestly with a portrait of yours truly: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=389 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog YNWA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 07:37:15 2010 Received: (qmail 25364 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 05:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 05:37:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794A7E180B4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D493E240E0 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E05AE47434 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D92AE47427 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2209.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 299A07000090 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Unknown-00-23-12-23-90-2c.lan (41.173.70-86.rev.gaoland.net [86.70.173.41]) by msfrf2209.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE078700008B for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:37:06 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20100615053706975.EE078700008B@msfrf2209.sfr.fr Message-Id: <37E4A038-6E63-423B-838D-8E14A124349A@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:37:06 +0200 References: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 07:37:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17118b173011560218263 A very nice series. I find it interesting that your eye keeps being attracted by similar = settings in so many different places. It would help a lot researchers involved in comparative studies on = global culture . No kidding. My favourite this week is Alt 12, "Just after take off" ;-) Bien vu! Thanks for sharing the trip. Amiti=E9s Philippe Le 15 juin 10 =E0 07:20, Nathan Wajsman a =E9crit : > > A mixed bag of Boston and New York pictures, starting immodestly = > with a portrait of yours truly: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D389 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > YNWA > > > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 09:16:28 2010 Received: (qmail 4875 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 07:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 07:16:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5075DE180D0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8E0E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B040E47223 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57796E47218 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from extmail-01.people.net.au (extmail-01.people.net.au [202.154.123.98]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5252 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 07:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.9?) (218.215.153.159) by extmail-01.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 07:16:18 -0000 Message-Id: <4DFEDD43-947F-4772-9443-C866AD83F359@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:16:17 +1000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 09:16:28 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1728cc218811342116753 Reminds me of an old boss of mine - "Now for the good news - your Christmas bonus if you like. You all have a job next year." Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/06/2010, at 8:38 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Now, that is a unique approach to keeping the troops happy. > Somebody went > to the Attila the Hun school of management . . . and graduated with > Honors. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 11:21:15 2010 Received: (qmail 31719 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 09:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 09:21:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC5BE180BA for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB85E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CB4E4720F for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CF8E47202 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2so3735817pwi.20 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.252.3 with SMTP id z3mr3272290rvh.3.1276593666061; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.9 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:21:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37E4A038-6E63-423B-838D-8E14A124349A@sfr.fr> References: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> <37E4A038-6E63-423B-838D-8E14A124349A@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:21:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 11:21:15 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17460b199221950411718 I too like the taxi shot very much. Tom On 15 June 2010 06:37, philippe.amard wrote: > A very nice series. > > I find it interesting that your eye keeps being attracted by similar > settings in so many different places. > It would help a lot researchers involved in comparative studies on > global culture . No kidding. > > My favourite this week is Alt 12, "Just after take off" ;-) > > Bien vu! > > Thanks for sharing the trip. > Amiti=E9s > Philippe > > Le 15 juin 10 =E0 07:20, Nathan Wajsman a =E9crit : > > > > > A mixed bag of Boston and New York pictures, starting immodestly > > with a portrait of yours truly: > > > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D389 > > > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > > > Nathan > > > > Nathan Wajsman > > Alicante, Spain > > http://www.frozenlight.eu > > http://www.greatpix.eu > > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 11:29:39 2010 Received: (qmail 17999 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 09:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 09:29:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13F5E1809F for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67677E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CD8E47202 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873C4E47223 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SpamAssassin score 0.001 (DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED, HTML_MESSAGE) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so3249848gwa.20 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.177.16 with SMTP id e16mr5764605anp.221.1276594168467; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.4.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:29:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> References: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:29:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZmMfrh8MFCFEuuN38z8C7z8mc-g Message-ID: From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Liz Attwood , martine lefrancois Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 11:29:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17480360161413256596 Best set that I can remember - great stuff! Jez On 15 June 2010 07:20, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A mixed bag of Boston and New York pictures, starting immodestly with a > portrait of yours truly: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=389 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > YNWA > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 13:31:23 2010 Received: (qmail 4090 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 11:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 11:31:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7423E18085 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC75E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CE8E4720F for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008CE47202 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:10291 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOUMO-0001Ll-Ch for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:31:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4C176480.4060000@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:31:12 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> <37E4A038-6E63-423B-838D-8E14A124349A@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] A couple of new pictures from my few fotos a week series week no 23 and 22 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 13:31:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17648b163811234514069 Week 23 - Police Presence. Week 22 - Junk Mailers Dream. cheers IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 13:33:20 2010 Received: (qmail 2415 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 11:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 11:33:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EABE18094 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D4BE240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85034E47434 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FF0E4720F for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:12442 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOUOI-0001g8-U4 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:33:15 -0500 Message-ID: <4C1764F6.70201@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:33:10 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0348B4E3-E930-4A57-AB63-DD89DB54026D@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 13:33:20 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c176500213561076813867 Agreed a very interesting pictorial, can't choose a favourite this time. I wish I wasn't so shy around other people and could replicate some of your work, maybe I need to drink more beer ;-) Best set that I can remember - great stuff! > Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 13:38:55 2010 Received: (qmail 10491 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 11:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 11:38:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F30E180A5 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436FE240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA9BE47202 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49172E47218 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:63727 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOUTh-0003J2-Tf for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <4C176646.9040303@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:38:46 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C157C98.4821.3006AD@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4C157C98.4821.3006AD@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] New photography book X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 13:38:55 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17664f250739752976205 Hi Brian, Coming a bit late to this but have you tried any of the services which allow faster download with their software installed becuase they compress it centrally and then send the compressed files over the line and your PC uncompresses the pages again. I have not tried one of these but did consider it at one point and can understand how it would work ;-). IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 13:57:23 2010 Received: (qmail 22701 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 11:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 11:57:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7809E1808F for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65D9E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52DCE47223 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D92E47202 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5FBvAka000321 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 6.e97.120a30 (37528) for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.131]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB011-d40a4c176a91db; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:07 -0400 Received: from webmail-m011 (webmail-m011.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.95]) by smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD036-d40a4c176a91db; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:05 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:05 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCDA990243E083-1DEC-8C66@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 21: Boston and New York X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 13:57:23 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c176aa3141029730998309 > A mixed bag of Boston and New York pictures, starting immodestly with a > portrait of yours truly: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=389 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan Well done! Great series. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 14:10:45 2010 Received: (qmail 7676 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 12:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 12:10:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D329CE180C0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F61E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBF7E47437 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E8FE47435 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0FADsKF0zKJWSM/2dsb2JhbACSV40NvwuFGgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,420,1272801600"; d="scan'208";a="3734170" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 00:10:36 +1200 Received: from blackbox (118.243.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz [111.69.243.118]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E57320290 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:10:35 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:08:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C1815E7.19301.94F06D@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [OM] ( OM ) The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 14:10:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c176dc5306275683411216 Dawid's "The Gap" conveys its message extremely well, in my opinion. Brian Swale - who found a way to access the Digest after all ... when away from home. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 14:57:24 2010 Received: (qmail 6311 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 12:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 12:57:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25100E180B4 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736FFE240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B82134AC02D for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF8D34AC02B for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 487 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:11:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C1815E7.19301.94F06D@localhost> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:57:12 +0200 References: <4C1815E7.19301.94F06D@localhost> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) The Gap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 14:57:24 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1778b4155044877110844 Thank you Brian :-) Glad you found a way to access the digest away from home... On 15 Jun 2010, at 2:08 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > Dawid's "The Gap" conveys its message extremely well, in my opinion. > > Brian Swale - who found a way to access the Digest after all ... > when away > from home. > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 15:04:21 2010 Received: (qmail 605 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 13:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 13:04:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC5CE1808C for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F3CE240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4251B34AC02B for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5738234AC02A for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-35-67.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.35.67]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 693 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:18:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <034327D1-4165-453C-A579-B1847949CDEC@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <5E12D417-7A1A-43BF-9F46-06143363F6D1@solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:04:12 +0200 References: <5E12D417-7A1A-43BF-9F46-06143363F6D1@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Price Lowered: [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 15:04:21 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c177a55296321413256596 Shameless plug: I have lowered the price to $2600, because that's what the 4x5in kit I am eyeing costs. I believe this makes this the Linhof Technorama bargain buy of the century :-) On 14 Jun 2010, at 11:08 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I have finally decided to sell my 6x17cm camera and get a 4x5in one, > instead of > trying to get a 5x7in enlarger for B&W work in this format. I > absolutely adore my 617S > (it's a thing of beauty) and with slide or colour negative film, the > image quality > is astounding. > > I, however, am a B&W guy, and my enlarger only goes up to 4x5in. So I > am selling this > guy for precise what I bought it for. Somebody just listed the exact > same thing on eBay > for $1000 more, sans aluminium case that I am including. > > If you're in the market for such a camera, why not check it out? > Detailed advert, > picture, and samples on APUG: > > http://www.apug.org/forums/forum379/77987-linhof-technorama-617s-accessories.html > > regards, > Dawid > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 15:38:31 2010 Received: (qmail 22764 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 13:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 13:38:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F51CE180C4 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE39E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAE034AC02A for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CF734AC028 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so3382939gwa.20 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.188.11 with SMTP id l11mr8263244ybf.197.1276609101972; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.59.78 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:38:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DFEDD43-947F-4772-9443-C866AD83F359@people.net.au> References: <4DFEDD43-947F-4772-9443-C866AD83F359@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:38:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0ocZXZwijRDHcE62fi6FW-XyV5o Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] For Sale: Linhof Technorama 617S X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 15:38:31 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c17825799915034211378 Right. There isn't even too much hope of surviving to see a Christmas bonus of any form. During our first "meet your new head honchos" meeting, they talked about shareholder value and their product promotions, but absolutely nothing was said about us the employees. Oh, I take that back. They did tell us that the payroll system was up and working and that we could finally see our paystub. Honestly, that was even more discouraging, as the paycheck was literally a third of what it normally was. I'd say that the message is loud and clear. In the last two years we've bought several other companies and I know what it's like to talk to someone who you know will be losing his job. It is fascinating to be on the receiving end of those very same conversations... But I'm far from worried, I'm ready for a change of some form. AG On Tuesday, June 15, 2010, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Reminds me of an old boss of mine - > "Now for the good news - your Christmas bonus if you like. You all > have a job next year." > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 15/06/2010, at 8:38 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > >> Now, that is a unique approach to keeping the troops happy. >> Somebody =A0went >> to the Attila the Hun school of management . . . and graduated with >> Honors. =A0 =A0Bill Barber > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jun 15 15:49:45 2010 Received: (qmail 2715 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2010 13:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 13:49:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6299E180C6 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (mx4.tigertech.net [74.114.88.34]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9C6E240E0 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5F0E47427 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hypnotoad.tigertech.net Received: from mx4.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A83E47223 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:49:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Whitelisted X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx4.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16506 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jun 2010 13:49:37 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-209-159.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.209.159) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jun 2010 13:49:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4C1784F1.2020703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:49:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4C16ECC7.80707@chucknorcutt.com> <40CAADB92D24493EBF52BA115C97F1CF@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <40CAADB92D24493EBF52BA115C97F1CF@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100615-0, 06/15/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 15 15:49:45 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4c1784f9283281006886880 Such a review can't tell you anything. The only way to tell is to destructively open them up. Where you have problems with lithium-ion batteries is if the charger fails and is overcharging the battery or if the battery should get short circuited somehow... neither of which is any part of normal operation. A properly built lithium-ion battery has internal circuitry to prevent fire and/or explosion in the event of overheating or short circuit. Lots of cheapie, Chinese made batteries don't have this vital protection. That's part of why they're able to sell so cheaply since the protection chip (at least from US sources like TI) costs about $2.50 in quantities of 10,000. Even supposedly well made and QC controlled batteries from Sony and Apple have had fire problems. The problem with a lithium-ion fire is that it can't be put out with water. Water will cool it but not extinguish it. You have to let it burn out. Since there's no way to tell from the outside whether the battery is good or not about all you can do is trust the reputation of the manufacturer. If you don't know who the manufacturer is there's no reputation available for trust. This link has been posted here before: Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. That's why they are going into the E-510, rather than my > E-1. The one review that I found on them indicated he had not had any > problems with them. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns > > >> Nice work. A beautiful image from the ordinary. But watch out for >> those 3rd party batteries. Some of them can burn you. Literally. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I purchased a couple of third party batteries for my Olys, so I put >>> one in the E-510 to see how it worked. Seems to perform fine. This >>> image was one of several that I made to see that the battery worked >>> o