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Subject: [OM] Re: Speeding fines, as far OT as possible
From: "Gary Holder (c)" <gary.holder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:40:03 -0400
Cc: "Dan Butler" <Grumman814@xxxxxxx>
http://www.pitpass.com :  My favorite independent (and free of cost!) F1 
site.

Michael Lawrence:  My favorite features writer there.

Nice photography, too!!

Gary H.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Butler" <om2s.usr@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Dan Butler" <Grumman814@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:59 AM
Subject: [OM] Re: Speeding fines, as far OT as possible


>> An announcer for an F1 race the other day said it cost about
>> $14 million to
>> build an F1 car versus about $150,000 for a NASCAR unit. I
>> know there is a
>> lot of difference in sophistication but that is a huge cost
>> difference. Are
>> the numbers close to being correct?  /jmac
>
> Well...
> This opens a real can of worms...
>
> Over the years I have tried to stay out of off topic discussions relating 
> to cars because it is a subject very near and dear to my heart.
>
> On the subject of Formula 1 budgets.  Toyota and Ferrari are "rumored" to 
> spend $400 million a year to field two cars.  Top CART teams $10 to 15 Mil 
> a year.  Jack Roush likely spend $15 mil on his five car team to do 30 or 
> more races a year.
>
> A Formula 1 car no longer has very much in the way of adjustments by the 
> time it gets to the track.  The Top Teams do extensive testing to get very 
> close to the right setup for a given track and then bring a range of parts 
> that will allow fine tuning for the conditions.  For example the shock 
> absorbers are not adjustable without being completely rebuilt.  This is 
> all done to make every  part as light as possible.  Formula 1 teams can no 
> longer be competitive without at least one 50% scale wind tunnel running 
> full time and massive CDF programs to minimise the iterations done in the 
> tunnel.  Even with the "so called" cost reduction measures introduced this 
> year, engine budgets can be 1/4 of the total.  It is hard to come up with 
> a valid arguement that justifies the money in F1 and even harder to 
> justify the non technical expenses, but the Aviation industry is now 
> learning (poaching) from the highest levels of F1 racing.  The technology 
> in a five year old F1 car is mind boggling
> , Last year at the Monterey Historics, Ferrari brought a number of their 
> older F1 cars including the previous years championship winning car.  This 
> car requires two engineers 2 1/2 hours and numerous subsystems to just get 
> the car started. For exapmle, all of the fluids (Engine Oil, Cooling 
> system, gear oil etc) needs to be brought up to operating temp before the 
> engine can be turned over for starting.  When the electronics "act up" the 
> first thing they do is replace the steering wheel.  Find a pic on the web 
> some where and you will begin to see what I am talking about.
>
> So this long winded explanation brings me to the "Michlien" debacle at 
> Indy.  What is undisputed is that Michlein really blew it in the worst 
> way.  From my professional point of view, what they did borders on 
> Cheating.  They felt the need to push the performance envelope out past 
> the boundary of safety.  What happened after that is where the general 
> discussion gets "emotional".  So from here on out, what you get is my very 
> biased opinion.
>
> I think that most of the people who think that a Chicane was the obvious 
> way to solve Michleins problem don't understand the restrictive nature of 
> car setup in F1.  Secondly you cannot take out the single most significant 
> feature of the track the morning of the race.  It would be far more 
> dangerous than the original tire problem.  Since the original problem was 
> not Bridgestones fault (they brought the proper tire for the conditions) 
> it would not be fair to penalize them in any way.  According to the rules 
> the only possible solutions would be for Bridgestone to supply the other 
> teams with tires but due to the limitation of the cars it would be as bad 
> as the chicane option even if the contractual requirements would have 
> allowed it.  As many have stated before the Fans are the ones who got 
> screwed in this fiasco but that is mostly due to the level of technology 
> and the legal webs that bind the sport together at this point in time.  On 
> top of all of this there is a game of politi
> cs going on that rivals any on the planet.  As I mentioned earlier, the 
> money involved at this level of auto racing is well into the billions just 
> at the Team level not including the commercial rights and marketing money 
> that can make or break many countries.  Arguements such as, He should have 
> done this...  Ferrari didn't want that...  are all just emotional crap. 
> Formula 1 is just not that simple.  The absolute worst thing I saw waws 
> the Fans at Indy throwing stuff on the track.  I thought that would be 
> beneath even the most brain damaged NASCAR fan.  The guys that were on the 
> track deserve better even if you don't agree with the circumstances that 
> caused it all.
>
> For those of you that bothered to read this far I thank you.  I will try 
> to refrain from a similar outburst for another five years, but don't bet 
> on it if the topic comes up again.
>
> Mike Butler
> Dublin, California
>
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