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Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)]

Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)]
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:46:47 -0400
I meant to add that, if you don't have to ress-up then the display size 
is small enough that the resolution lost to diffraction wasn't needed in 
the first place.

Chuck Norcutt


Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Unsharp is unsharp whether by diffraction, depth of field or a small 
> amount of motion blur.  With the 5D on a tripod doing landscape I try to 
> stay at f/11... but I might bend that for foreground depth of field. 
> But macro as CH shows here and Moose showed with his well-dressed fly 
> are different things and especially if one is on a tripod and the other 
> is freehand.  I assume the fly was shot freehand and there additional 
> depth of field is probably required just to compensate for the swaying 
> camera.  CH's shots, on the other hand, appear to be done on a tripod 
> and have the benefit of time and careful composition to position the in 
> and out-of-focus areas.  I don't think it's necessarily different 
> strokes for different folks but different strokes for different situations.
> 
> Finally, although the diffraction table for a 35mm size sensor shows 
> that resolution at f/16 is diffraction limited to 7 megapixels, that's 
> still more resolution than an E1.  Furthermore, recalling that 
> megapixels are an area measure and resolution is a linear measure the 
> actual loss of resolution on a 5D between f/11 and f/16 is only about 
> 25%.  Good interpolation on ressing-up can probably hide a lot of that.
> 
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
> 
> C.H.Ling wrote:
>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the 
>> feel more than everything in focus.
>>
>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4.
>>
>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html
>>
>> C.H.Ling
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Moose"
>>
>>> In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this
>>> thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something
>>> simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer off
>>> in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss
>>> something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm
>>> as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the
>>> only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the equipment
>>> you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings
>>> and situations.
>>>
>>> On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos
>>> shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited
>>> according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that
>>> don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of
>>> aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in
>>> the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps
>>> semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads
>>> here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred
>>> shots leaning the other way, toward f16.
>>>
>>> The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and far
>>> fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, any
>>> time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not
>>> specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me.
>>>
>>> Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the full
>>> pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny bit
>>> more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole
>>> critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I
>>> photograph, DOF is more important.
>>>
>>> F16 and be there Moose
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