Le 6 nov. 13 à 20:51, Bill Pearce a écrit :
> We get either 10 or 15 percent alcohol.
Can you drive when your alcohol intake is that high?
you'd be charged over here!
> There is
> an automatic 30% loss with pure alcohol, less of course in blends.
Pure malt for me please - no blends but in Bordeaux wines - Cabernet
Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Petit Verdot.
> Alcohol
> just doesn't have the BTU's
BTU what's that if I may ask, GMO?
Amities
Philippe a stickler for whatever it is ;-)
> that gasoline does.
> What we get without is
> dependent on where purchased. About a year ago, I drove to Oklahoma,
> and
> noted in barely rural areas outside Tulsa, there were many stations,
> mostly
> independent convenience stores, with a 4x8 sheet of plywood with the
> notice
> "no alcohol" spray painted on it.
>
> In any event, the whole business of US energy independence is no
> longer
> valid. Although we import oil, we export more from the Wyoming and
> North
> Dakota fields. Oil, like anything else, follows the money. Our oil
> from
> fracking in Wyoming and ND goes by rail to the coasts, and by ship
> to Japan,
> China and Europe, 'cause they pay more than domestic refineries.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Geilfuss
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>
> That's interesting , Bill. Based on the size of my tank, 15 US
> gal., the
> MPG penalty is only 1 mpg. I have no idea why yours is three times
> more.
> The energy content should be the same unless they are slipping you
> more
> ethanol than they claim. What type of vehicle is it? In my area all
> grades
> have 10% etoh, but a few stations sell 0% etoh premium fuel (which I
> use in
> my lawn equipment). No other grade is available without etoh.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> In my car, E10 gives me about a three MPG penalty, about 45 miles per
>> tank.
>> There is no price difference here, and there are some places that
>> sell
>> only
>> gas without ethanol. It is equally hard to find premium without it,
>> but in
>> that case I think it gives the octane boost.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles Geilfuss
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:17 PM
>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>>
>> The MPG penalty is pretty minimal, Bill, at least with E10. I've
>> tried
>> it
>> a couple of times with my Honda, E10, 87 octane vs E0, 93 octane,
>> and the
>> difference per tankful is about 10-15 miles per tank. As for
>> alleged price
>> advantage of E10, who knows? E0, 87 octane is not available
>> anywhere to
>> compare.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of
>>> ethanol
>>> just because they've been lied to.
>>> No, it's because they don't like the MPG penalty, with no offset in
>> price.
>>> And anyway, why do it? America is now a net petroleum exporting
>>> country.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ken Norton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:36 AM
>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>>>
>>>> Now let's get started on the myth of ETHANOL, and who is raking it
>> in...
>>>> Old Rick - currently replacing fuel lines destroyed by that stuff!
>>>
>>> The Iowa Corn Cartel.
>>>
>>> /Rant On
>>>
>>> It's probably the other crud they put in the fuel these days. All
>>> fuels have solvents added now. If you drive very little, Ethanol can
>>> mess up some stuff, but I almost always use it and have never ever
>>> had
>>> a fuel line or fuel filter problem. I take my vehicles up to the
>>> 150,000-200,000 mile category too.
>>>
>>> Regardless, let's not get into the lie about ethanol being energy
>>> negative. It's entirely not true and is a lie that originated from
>>> the
>>> oil industry itself during the methanol/ethanol wars. It's been
>>> perpuated by the pointy-headed intellectuals at the ivy league
>>> colleges who have never even seen a combine in their lives and think
>>> that everybody west of the Hudson River are hayseed rednecks. If
>>> these
>>> pointy-headed intellectuals would actually USE their brains
>>> instead of
>>> sticking to a party-line mantra, they'd recognize the lie. But they
>>> won't, and even if they did, they wouldn't admit it because peer
>>> review is by other idiots like them. Meanwhile, the talking heads on
>>> television won't even do basic research to find out that it's a lie.
>>> Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of
>>> ethanol
>>> just because they've been lied to.
>>>
>>> Worst of all, we keep electing presidents that have law degrees from
>>> Yale/Harvard, being taught by these idiot pointy-headed
>>> intellectuals.
>>>
>>> /Rant Off
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Norton
>>> ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://www.zone-10.com
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