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On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:32 PM, philippe.amard <philippe.amard@xxxxxx>
wrote:
> We don't have Verizon here Scott, so the question is: Is subscribing
> worthwhile?
> Please keep answer down to three letters max ;-)
>
> Ph in a rush.
>
>
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> Le 2 mars 15 à 21:29, Scott Gomez a écrit :
>
> Verizon has been very active in installing FiOS here in California. I've
>> lived in two different locations with it. At the first, there was no
>> service installed at all when we moved in. Verizon offered FiOS in the
>> area, and we called, placed an order, and they quite promptly installed
>> it.
>> I was home the day the installed, and they used some sort of burrowing
>> device to bring the fiber from their nearest box all the way to the house.
>> It's fiber all the way, no copper whatsoever until inside the premises.
>>
>> At the second location, fiber for FiOS was already installed, and when we
>> ordered a higher speed than that for which the house was already
>> provisioned, they came out and replaced the existing fiber termination box
>> and router at no additional charge to us. Transmission speeds are
>> symmetric
>> and available up to 300Mbits (perhaps even 500Mbits) here; currently we
>> chose only to pay for 50Mbits, If I remember correctly. We had previously
>> been on 150Mbits but couldn't negotiate a reasonable rate to continue it
>> at
>> the end of contract as we'll be moving before a new 2-years contract would
>> expire.
>>
>> I don't know what the criteria are for Verizon cabling a given area, but I
>> can tell you that they are aggressive in installing fiber even in existing
>> developments. The first location referenced above was built out in the
>> late
>> 1960s or early '70s, and this location was built about a decade later. I
>> could be quite off in those numbers, but it remains true that both areas
>> could not have been originally provisioned with anything but copper, yet
>> Verizon apparently finds it cost effective to run new fiber to them any
>> way.
>>
>> My understanding is that FiOS uses PON (Passive Optical Networking) which
>> allows a single single-mode fiber cable to carry as many as 32 premises,
>> which are then split out to individual homes on a single strand of glass
>> for each.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Paul Braun <pbraun42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Back when our telco was Verizon, they made noise about FIOS and installed
>>> it in Fort Wayne (about an hour East of me). The had a sign-up list for
>>> when they started rolling it out wider, and I got on it. Years passed,
>>> nothing. Turns out that it was partially Comcast lobbying to exert their
>>> monopoly against it, and partially Verizon knowing full well that it
>>> would
>>> never fly anywhere else. Then they sold to Frontier and all future talk
>>> of
>>> FIOS disappeared. And my DSL bandwidth instantly got cut in half. When I
>>> called to ask why, they told me I was lying and that there was no
>>> possible
>>> way I could have had the 3mbps that I was claiming, and that there was no
>>> way that I ever would. They were content to keep charging me for it.
>>>
>>> After months and months of complaining, I finally got through to a
>>> supervisor who admitted that they had gutted all of Verizon's switching
>>> equipment and replaced it with their own, and that's why my bandwidth
>>> dropped. He also promised me that by the end of the year, it would be
>>> back
>>> and probably better. 12 months later, nothing.
>>>
>>> So, I kicked them to the curb and signed up with SatanCable, but only for
>>> internet. It cost me about 2-1/2 times what my DSL bill had been, but I
>>> got
>>> close to ten times the bandwidth. But it's supremely annoying that for
>>> anything above 2mbps, I have zero options besides Comcast. I would LOVE
>>> to
>>> see the fine folks at Google move into the neighborhood and string fiber.
>>> What we lack is competition.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Under previous owners, our local cable system started building a FTTC
>>>> system at least fifteen years ago throughout the city. We get generally
>>>> good service everywhere and the only complaint I ever hear is cost for
>>>> cable. Oddly, landlinie phone is cheaper and internet is competitive,
>>>> especially as it is generally faster and more reliable than AT&T.
>>>>
>>>> AT&T is slow to arrive, and don't know anyone that has it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:13 AM
>>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: wiring a Cat 5 cable to a wall plate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What BT/Openreach are widely rolling out is FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet)
>>>>
>>>>> with copper for the final link to the premises (running VDSL IIRC).
>>>>>
>>>> You'll
>>>
>>>> get a new street cabinet alongside the old one and they'll switch
>>>>> subscribers as they sign-up. I was connected last month and now have
>>>>> 40Mb/s downstream and 10Mb/s upstream. Only 5x better down but 10x
>>>>>
>>>> better
>>>
>>>> up. There's another option with double those speeds but for more £
>>>>>
>>>> than I
>>>
>>>> wanted to pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, this is the way of accomplishing it that doesn't require putting
>>>> in FTTH (Fibre to the Home). As long as I can keep the distances
>>>> reasonable from the serving device to the home, we have tremendous
>>>> speed growth potential. We're trialing stuff that gives us 100Mb over
>>>> twisted copper-pair. That'll address bandwidth needs for five or six
>>>> years and then the next generation of technology should push that to
>>>> 1Gb, which is already in the lab. Everybody thinks that fibre is what
>>>> is required to get good speeds, and that's not necessarily true.
>>>> Copper is not speed limited, it's distance limited.
>>>>
>>>> To do a complete copper replacement with fiber in a community is not
>>>> cost-effective. In an urban setting, it costs about $250000 USD per
>>>> mile of residential buildout to just replace the copper with fiber,
>>>> not including any equipment. This usually averages out to about $10000
>>>> per house. We amortize these in-ground assets over a 20 year period,
>>>> so that's $500 per year per house. That's $42 per month without even
>>>> figuring in TVM. I can keep maintaining what we have for under $10 per
>>>> month.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think everybody is willing to pay $32 per month more JUST so
>>>> they can have a perceived advantage of FTTH?
>>>>
>>>> If we're talking about greenfield installation, yes, it makes sense to
>>>> put fiber in, but to rebuild entire cities and countryside? No. That
>>>> 6000-pair cable installed in 1963 will still be in service in 2063.
>>>>
>>>> AG
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